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16:01
@MadaraUchiha the situation that all 3 sites are sharing same session
if you out of the cms system , you are automatically logged out of other two
@tereško it's an SSO dude. it has to be like this.
but it isn't SSO
@tereško i know. im just trying to ease your pain by lieing to you
jeez. im so bad at telling a lie that I dont even know how that is correctly spelled as a gerund
is it lying or lieing?
i dont want to lie with you but to you
@Gordon Lying.
@tereško Congrats for coming to the conclusion
@MadaraUchiha thanks
@ircmaxell he didnt do it yet though. so i'm inclined to say …
@tereško pictures or it didnt happen
Well, at least he "made up his mind"
@ircmaxell heh, you have no clue how often a day I make up my mind
0.32750742 BTC
woot!
@ircmaxell you're rich \o/
16:09
when it hits $10,000/BTC, Yup! :-D
and when will that be at the current rate you're going?
@Gordon No, I meant the exchange rate
@ircmaxell ah ok
> Unicorns, you may think they're nice, but when you're not home they're screwing your wife.
hmm... phpunit can't mock ReflectionClass? O_o
16:10
i still believe it's easier and cheaper to build yet another online casino based on btc to get rich than to compute them
It's an internal class
@Gordon quite probably
@Ocramius it should be able.
grmbl... will inspect
@Ocramius I am mocking ReflectionMethod in my InterfaceDistiller so I dont see why ReflectionClass should be a problem
ah, no, it's complaining that I'm mocking a mock. Actually right
16:14
@Gordon "kicks to anyone who favors tabs over spaces" - why?
@MPKaboose that was explained in the part of the sentence you didnt quote. because I am generous today ;)
@MPKaboose for racism, obviously
;)
and random hatred
Uby
Uby
Aaaaaand we have a BRAND NEW "Presidente della Repubblica" :O
@Uby berlusconi?
16:18
@Gordon I know you are in a generous mood
but why space > tab
Uby
Uby
@Gordon No, I hope that's too horrifying for us too :D
@Uby serious?
Uby
Uby
Giorgio Napolitano again
WTF
that corrupt dinosaur again?
@MPKaboose it's a universal truth that you should use spaces. it's an axiom so you dont ask why but just accept it. worked for the church. works for you. makes life a lot easier.
Uby
Uby
16:19
@Ocramius exactly
@Uby all praise the nation that is worth leaving :)
@Ocramius berlusconi?
@Gordon lol, also true
Uby
Uby
lol
@Gordon My spacebar won't forgive me, and do churches code or ... ?
16:23
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Q: Stack Overflow is a site of passers-by

Your Common SenseThey says that Stack Overflow is a community-driven web-site. But, as a matter of fact, it is not. There is no community at all. It's more like an imageboard, as a number of participants makes them pretty much like anonymous to each other despite of registration. Stack Overflow is a site of pa...

he does really hate other on so
@MPKaboose as a developer you can only be in one camp: the tab camp or the spaces camp. you may not be in both. the right camp is the spaces camp. the other camp is full of weirdos.
@Gordon I am a weirdo, my friend(s) say that
@MPKaboose that's okay. we just want you to be happy.
@MPKaboose lol than i may be cat .. :P
@Gordon coding makes me happy :P
16:27
@MPKaboose coding with spaces instead of tabs would make you even happier
@NullPointer actually he has much improved. he's by far not as abrasive as he used to be. he sometimes even says please.
@Gordon why space over tab, space is 4 chars (for the lengths sake) and tab is 1
@MPKaboose don't summon the storm please :)
> For some reason I am trying to limit my communication on this site as much as possible
@Gordon I like storms, not in conversations tho
16:31
I just started :P
@MPKaboose spaces. they are the will of whatever entity you believe in
@Gordon like my fluffy cactus? (plant)
@MPKaboose yes
@Gordon however i am not agree with his style but i somewhat agree with his some point ..
@NullPointer imo a good percentage of his problems on this site stem from a language barrier. i am convinced he wasn't aware for a long time how rude he got across. whenever I spoke to him he was accessible. and if you look through his recent activity you will see that he sounds almost normal nowadays.
16:39
yupp agreed ... btw i really found him very useful for newb and his way of giving answer (not all but yes most off all ) (not spoon feeding )
Alright
So the upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 failed
When I start Ubuntu all I see is a black screen.
Keyboard seems to be reacting, (because CAPS LOCK and NUM LOCK lights respond), but even if I enter my password and try to use some shortcuts, it doesn't seem to do anything.
Any ideas? @kaᵠ @PeeHaa埽?
what does shell say?
@hakre Dunno, how do I check?
16:50
ctrl + alt + number
The screen turns black after the ubuntu logo with the 5 dots fill up
@MadaraUchiha... i'd install 12.10 from scratch....
save setting first then reinstall
@kaᵠ I'm thinking I have no choice
@hakre I'll try that, but I'll need to restart :P
@MadaraUchiha you have actually, bu i'd feel better from a fresh install
sounds like initializing the display driver didn't work for the new x-server derivate.
16:51
no need to restart
no, that's shell in non-graphical mode.
so you switch from desktop to terminal
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@NullPointer zzzzzupp
@MadaraUchiha ctrl+alt+f1
@MadaraUchiha welcome to group of ubuntu disaster
@kaᵠ I'm speaking from the windows boot, so I'll have to restart to get into the Linux boot
16:51
@wes supp
auch
Lemme try, I'll log in to chat from my mobile
quick.. ping a mod from SU
When do I press CTRL+ALT+F1?
16:53
3
Q: How to switch to non-graphical view in ubuntu?

PHPI've recently installed Ubuntu. It's graphical; how can I switch to command-line mode so that everything is to be typed, like DOS?

I can't believe my eyes... what is pinned there !!! wooooooot ---------------->
@hakre too late, he's gone...
may the linux god take care of him
luckily its weekend :)
I'm not gone
I'm still here
a
@MadaraUchiha can't you be online from phone/tablet/secondary pc/laptopo?
16:54
<brb>cig...
> irony : than turn off all other device and take some rest
Switching to CLI works
@hakre someone migrate that to askubuntu
What do I check @hakre?
@Gordon good idea. I'll flag.
16:57
@hakre im not sure askubuntu is part of SE
@Gordon yes it is
@NullPointer yes, it is. i just checked
But the question is too old migrate
same same.
@MadaraUchiha so working now? or you now have a terminal`?
16:59
@hakre, I have a terminal
if you have a terminal check dmesg for problems with your display driver.
less is your friend to page and search on the commandline.
Huge log
yes, less helps
also check your computer model if it's enabled by ubuntu
their hardware pages often have useful information
which computer model do you have?
and what is your graphics card?
Secondary PC
Better than mobile any day
I run ASUS X52JT
Graphic card: ATI RADEON HD 6370M
Are you using prorietary ATI drivers?
If so switch to the others or vice/versa.
also I would run an update of the system if you didn't do so far.
I'll be back in ca. 40 mins, need to go now.
user652649
17:07
someone remembers which was the name of that apache module that collapse html in one row only stripping unnecessary spaces, newlines, tabs etc?
@hakre It was "Installed but not active"
I couldn't get it to activate
user652649
@hakre yes that! thanks :P
How do I switch? Also to "update the system"? apt-get update?
17:09
$ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
KK, done that
Let's try the sudo apt-get install linux-source fglrx fglrx-amdcccle first
I hope it works well for you. I'm afk for some minutes, will be back here then.
so
@MadaraUchiha how's it going?
installing the last package of the three
Then need to configure
Did I mention I hated ATI?
Because I do, deeply
aa... yes, the problem
:))
17:23
I gotta know
what
What does "triggering man-db" (or something similar) do?
not sure, don't really care (something to do with doc entries?)
alright, let's try for a reboot
We have a cursor!!!
@MadaraUchiha really nice start you got on linux, if this doesn't bring you down, you're on the right track
17:25
@kaᵠ Meh, I enjoy troubleshooting and dealing with stuff that annoyingly don't work
so, resolution?
However, that graphic card was nothing but trouble since the day I bought the PC
Seems fine
awsm
So... it looks fine, for now
congrats!
17:29
But still it seems that hardware acceleration is unavailable
now, start a miner on that card
chrome://gpu tells me no hardware acceleration is available
you should be able to activate to from somewhere
Canvas: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
Compositing: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
3D CSS: Unavailable. Hardware acceleration unavailable
CSS Animation: Software only, hardware acceleration unavailable
WebGL: Unavailable. Hardware acceleration unavailable
WebGL multisampling: Unavailable. Hardware acceleration unavailable
Flash 3D: Unavailable. Hardware acceleration unavailable
Flash Stage3D: Unavailable. Hardware acceleration unavailable
Texture Sharing: Unavailable. Hardware acceleration unavailable
@MadaraUchiha I have the same issue with my ATI card. Since the hardware acceleration doesn't kick in all 4 CPU cores go to 100% and start reaching high temps when watching 1080p or playing a game.
17:31
ok so i don't know where in unity (why did you stick with ubuntu and not xubuntu??) because when i first saw the shitty ubuntu release with unity i ran
@kaᵠ Mainly because I started with Ubuntu, and wanted to keep consistent so that I can get my bearings with less "shock"
The same issue is in Xubuntu, it's what I'm running currently. The driver worked fine at one point and hardware accelleration was working and all, but then some update from either the driver or kernel botched it up and since then it no longer works, not even on fresh install =o(
@crypticツ when you boot up select a previous kernel, see if it works then, if so, edit the grub file to use that as a default
and... rollback
use what works
@crypticツ current ATI drivers should support GPU in VLC
I'm thinking I don't have the most updated version though
17:34
I don't know which kernel it stopped working on, it's been almost a year I've been running this way. I kinda gave up hoping it would fix itself =oP I don't have kernels from that long ago still on system.
i like Mplayer better
I had better performance on the 12.04 :X
@crypticツ you just might!
:))) madara
You see why people take Windows?
@crypticツ also afaik it depends on the file container of the video whether your machine can actually use the GPU
17:36
@Gordon VLC works ok, since I tweaked it to be less of a strain, but watching a flash video in 1080p makes all cores reach critical temp, once comp auto-shutoff since it overheated.
Linux is obviously better, but with Windows, it usually "just works" without much of a hassle, and if it doesn't work, it doesn't come to a grinding halt, and explode in your face.
@kaᵠ I don't keep kernels around after they have been replaced by 2 more =oP
@MadaraUchiha linux isn't just one flavor... how would you like graphics on win98 today?
@kaᵠ Yeah, and Ubuntu 02.04? (You know what I mean!)
17:39
@crypticツ dont nail me on it but I think MKV and x.264 simply cannot be decoded via gpu for reasons I dont exactly know
Well, at least Shutter works now :P
@Gordon rasπ ...
@kaᵠ rasn?
nope
Raspberry π
does .264 processing in the GPU
@kaᵠ my raspberry can play 1080 without sound fine. the moment I try to watch with DTS audio, I get lots of stuttering. 720p works fine though.
@crypticツ have a look at guru3d.com/articles_summary/… - maybe it makes some sense for you. im not good with these things. i just expect them to work and get annoyed when they dont
17:50
wb
@hakre wb
and now?
GUI is working again
Got the AMD catalyst installed
okay.
However, GPU acceleration is still not working
17:51
happy or not? ah okay.
chrome://gpu reports hardware acceleration is off
Happier than I was a few minutes ago, that's for sure :P
But I can get happier :D
:D
chrome://qpu can be related to a blacklist
Which means?
The card is actively denying Chromium from using it?
@kaᵠ forget what I just said. it's apparently an issue of the rasp not using hardware decoding for the DTS which is causing the issues. not the video, which uses the gpu.
you might need to enforce something by starting chrome with a commandline parameter
I only did it the other way round: disabling it.
Also, @hakre, Shutter is displaying some weird behavior
It's capturing the past
Which makes me think the video card is still buggy
well ubuntu has some new display thingy there. I think even two.
@crypticツ Not exactly, read the question well
Also another very weird, annoying thing I'm observing, the text in this window is smaller than it should be.
Mainly because when I italicize the text, it appear much larger than the rest
@MadaraUchiha does it not seem like a PHP error is occuring which is causing output?
@crypticツ He's getting it randomly
Apparently
18:04
@Gordon ok, no prob, so is there any way to play 1080p with sound on the π ?
@kaᵠ yes, convert the sound to something else but DTS
@Gordon but converting sux.. :(
@kaᵠ or, if your TV supports DTS decoding, configure the rasp to send audio via passthrough to it
@Gordon could you maybe loop it back to be processed by the cpu?
or that's how it's done.?
18:07
@kaᵠ im using raspbmc and there is an option for that in the advanced sound setting to use passthrough. my philips tv doesnt support it though, so I cannot watch 1080p with DTS
@kaᵠ i dont know.
@Gordon k.. one more thing: T A B S
@kaᵠ for hardware decoding, the rasp foundation needs a license but they are trying to get one for over a year now but DTS, Inc is not giving it.
i see on the site thei're selling licences ?!?!
for about 2 bucks a pop
:D mwhahahah
The weird thing is, it doesn't do that on other chat rooms!
Only here
some italics huh?

huh :D
18:12
nvm
codecs: raspberrypi.com £**1.2 - £**2.4
@kaᵠ yes, but not for DTS
yes
I didn't knew much about go, but it's cool: youtube.com/watch?v=ytEkHepK08c
hii
can we build the desktop application using PHP??
18:29
@JackLB with a browser...
@JackLB with PHP GTK
it's possible without browser?
...and now I'm going to get drunk.
Laterz
cool
thx for the link #bwoebi
18:37
@Gordon hi once again. Since I started talk about request methods with you today, I think it is only logical to ask you about main thing. What method or approach you would suggest for sending files from form to some other host, that is on diff. server, than the one, that send those files. Would want to acomplish sending via curl. Maybe you know of some good questions here regarding that.
why is every website using jquery?
Hello everybody!
I have a little problem. I'm writing a small PHP framework inspired by Symfony's components. The basic philosophy is that each component can be used on its own. Some of the components can work with others, in my case a configuration class returns configuration to the caching class. To keep the classes as decoupled as possible I use an interface. The question is where to put the interface, as it should always be available to both libraries. My file system is PSR-0 compatible
18:52
@hakre because it's better than Javascript =oP
user652649
@crypticツ it is. javascript sucks, everybody knows that
user652649
(evening)
afternoon @wes
@hakre it's learning curve is extremely gradual, there's a lot of tutorials out there, and it offers immediate gratification upon copy and paste from the docs ("oooh look that thing slid up. now it slid down! no way")
@JanL what kind of interface? like an Interface or an "interface"?
actually I was working in PHP for last 6 month.& Now I have good grip with joomla and wordpress. So in my PHP journey which Framework I should prefer for Next?
19:02
@dyelawn OOP interface
abstract class counterpart
@JackLB lots of choices. laravel is gaining some traction and has some cool aspects (other than saying it's for "web artisans", which is blech). drupal will have a friendly learning curve coming from wp and joomla, but also broaches some more serious topics. people seem to be down on zend framework 2, but it has a thing for everything.
you might just check out this: php-fig.org to get an idea of some of the notable options out there.
@JanL so it's an Interface?
i'm not really sure i understand what you're using the interface for
have you looked at how symfony handles semantic configuration of services? bc i think that might be what you're describing
appreciate 4 yr suggestion
@dyelawn Interface. Cache class has a 'setConfig(ConfigInterface)' method and Config implements ConfigInterface. Where should ConfigInterface be located? In Config folder, Cache folder or somewhere else?
seem like a lots of things to be learn. :)
what's this capital I business?
19:12
if it's capital, then you are talking about an OOP Interface, else you refer to interface as in 'hardware interface'
@igorw i was trying to differentiate between the Object Interface and the idea of an "interface" as something that mediates communication between two things.
@JanL it should be in the Config folder
@dy
and you should have a use statement at the top of your Cache class file that says you want to use YourThing\Config\Config
@igorw what's wrong with the capital I?
@dyelawn What about if Cache library is being used on its own? How would developers know which methods must they implement, if they want to use their own config class?
@dyelawn do you mean capital or Capital?
19:16
@igorw now you're just toying with me
If I'm using PDO in my data mapper, how do I successfully call $statement->execute() twice without having some prepared statement collisions. When I use $someDataMapper->fetch($someDomainObject); then $someDataMapper->save($someDomainObject);it saves twice in my database? if I comment out one of the $statement->execute() it only saves it once. Anyone?
@JanL there are other people here who will give you better answers than i will, but i think that what you're talking about is a CacheConfigInterface
but by default, if you're using something from another folder, that component is going to be coupled. (probably going to get my behind handed to me on this, but that's how i understand it)
so you have a Cache/CacheConfigInterface.php, and a Cache/CacheConfigModel.php which implements the *I*nterface
@dyelawn it just seemed extremely arbitrary, that's all. :)
@igorw i probably could have been more clear. i had a difficult time learning Object Interfaces because i couldn't get the idea out of my head that it bridged communication between two objects.
an interface is a protocol. there, confusion eliminated.
19:22
well i know what it is now
it's something that should be used as a monad morphism tool :)
btw, I would consider Interface as part of the interface name an anti-pattern
if it's a pattern at all.
i thought interface names were supposed to be suffixed with Interface? symfony.com/doc/master/contributing/code/…
There are more standards
FooBarInterface, InterfaceFoo, Barable
the symfony naming conventions aren't the holy grail of programming best practices
@igorw don't say that.
i'm kidding; i googled "interface names should be suffixed with Interface" because i thought i had read it in something framework agnostic.
19:28
to my knowledge, it is the only Serious project that does this
either way, I don't really care either. :)
@JanL ok, so call it CacheConfigurable, InterfaceCache (even though this seems ridiculous), or CacheArchitect or whatever you'd like. the point is, if you want something that can configure your cache Class without being bound to the Config Component, it's going to have to be in the cache DIR
// awaits the smackdown about how wrong he is
YOU ARE WRONG!
no, not really :P
@igorw so what are some good things to read re: naming conventions?
is PSR-3000 proposed yet?
@JanL my general suggestion would be to put the interface in the config* package, then have all of the other components optionally integrate with it.
so you'd have a config implementation per component.
but third parties can only use it when also having the config component installed
so how do you configure the cache without the config interface?
19:38
probably passing setting with an array?
you don't. in other words: you wire up everything yourself.
and what tells you what you need to do to configure the cache? (this is what i thought the point of the InterfaceCacheConfiguererInterfacerThing was for)
manual :)
@Gordon the result of the hackish stuff: github.com/Ocramius/ProxyManager/blob/…
@JanL meh, i don't know, i think having it in the source would be beneficial. what options are configured on the cache?
@igorw i don't get those other words either.
19:44
@dyelawn which driver to use (Memcache, APC, File,..) user/pass, ip addresses,
filename
*I mean cache file location
what methods are defined in the ConfigInterface?
parseConfig($path), get($key), set($key, $value)

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