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9:00 PM
plus my wife has a week off during that week
 
@Gordon well, that could be a reason to come in some cases ;-)
just kidding, of course
 
@ircmaxell i'd love to. but its really unlikely :/
 
@PeeHaa I am agree :P
 
@webarto I knew it :)
 
"Integrate security into your application from the ground up." @Werner #sxswi
"Protecting your customer is your first priority." - @Werner #sxswi
@ircmaxell ^
 
9:07 PM
@ircmaxell Does that mean your are going to do that @ DPC?
 
Anonymous
Hackers release financial
records for vice president,
attorney general, FBI director
and others #RT News
 
@Gordon any particular reason you're point that out? Or just relevant?
 
@ircmaxell nah, i just though it might interest you. and the time they arrived seemed fitting.
 
Yeah, definitely relevant, but wasn't sure if you were pointing something specific out
 
i still favor security audits over doing security myself though. simply because security is such a big field. devs should be security conscious though.
 
9:11 PM
Most security issues are just simply stupidities
imho
 
Negligence.
 
Well either negligence or just "I have no idea what I am doing"
 
@Gordon Oh, I favor audits. Definitely. But I do believe that you architect and build with security in mind. Then audit to prove that you got it right...
 
@PeeHaa nah, the thing @ircmaxell stumbled over in the SO chat was easy to overlook imo. and I had audits where certain SSL configurations where deemed unsafe. how is a developer supposed to know that
 
instead of write code, and someone will secure it later. Secure it all along the way, and then have an audit come in and make it even better
 
9:13 PM
@PeeHaa ... but it works :)
 
@Gordon What thing @ircmaxell stumbled over?
The SO hack?
 
@PeeHaa yup
 
That was imo a stupidity
 
@ircmaxell with security in mind is what I mean with being security conscious. but just to the extent where it would turn you into a bonafide security expert.
 
how does web-based mail clients receive mails ? infinite loop
?
 
9:14 PM
@Gordon exactly. We're talking about the same thing.
 
checking every 2 seconds
 
@Gordon but I agree some things are "impossible" to know
 
Defense in depth. Developers should think about security, just like developers should think about testing. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have an audit just like it doesn't mean you shouldn't have a QA department...
 
@Mhjr No. SMTP for sending, POP3 (usually) for receiving
 
IMAP FTW
 
9:15 PM
They are two protocols (which are different from HTTP or HTTPS, that you've probably heard of)
 
1 message moved to bin
 
no I meant how does the web-based client knows that a mail has arrived ?
 
@Mhjr probably by polling the server
 
@PHPNooB Please don't spam the room. Thank you.
 
@Mhjr polling or websockets
 
9:16 PM
aha
i felt sockets were involved but wtf is websockets ?
i'll look it up don't bother
 
I doubt there are many clients out there which do it by websockets
 
@Mhjr Ajax was actually created because of exactly that use case. MS invented it for Outlook Web Access.
@PeeHaa yet
@ircmaxell agreed
 
Hey. You don't have to convince me of the usefulness of WS ;-) I freaking love it :D
 
@Gordon but the user have to initiate if using ajax (like a button) but in hotmail or outlook the moment their server gets the message it shows in you inbox
 
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="60">
 
Anonymous
9:19 PM
@Madara Uchiha ok, but it was not a spam. Some hackers just released that info, I was amazed, felt like sharing
 
@igorw did you get my message about cope's talk? didnt see you respond. i might have missed it
 
@Mhjr No. It will just run make requests in intervals automatically
 
@PHPNooB fair enough
 
@PHPNooB Some hackers release that kind of info everyday :P
 
@Mhjr they dont. the client polls the server in intervals
 
9:20 PM
@PeeHaa so it will not hang the browser ? like when outlook client flickers
 
No
 
@Mhjr it will hang firefox :P that's why I switched to chrome two days ago
 
:P
 
hahaa , is there an article or tutorial on such thing
 
He said browser @Gordon
:)
 
9:20 PM
@PeeHaa it is.
 
@PeeHaa pfff. i loved my ff
 
@PeeHaa I think ws will become new ajax, and I'll start to hate it, am I a hipster? :(
 
@webarto <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="1" />
 
@webarto yes. hate is the new movement
 
@Gordon Everytime I have to boot FF I start to cry a bit.
3
Once it is finally started, and updated, and plugins updated it is ok'ish
 
9:21 PM
@ircmaxell is that a draft for what?
 
@ircmaxell Inside iframe, that could totally work.
 
if i may know.
 
@Alexander yeah... it's a draft... that's what I meant...
@webarto I've done that before on some of my sites...
 
@ircmaxell but, what for?
 
@ircmaxell before, like 10y ago? :P
 
9:22 PM
known event or just planning?
 
@webarto 3 years ago
 
so is auto complete uses ajax with the event on_typing
does it work like that ?
 
@Alexander I will answer that question by the end of this week
 
@webarto in fact, I have an app that's still running doing that
 
9:23 PM
@ircmaxell I know, it has a use case, sort of. Me too.
 
because it was the most performant and easiest on the server
 
@ircmaxell fair enough.
 
@ircmaxell Exactly.
 
the backend pushed a static HTML file, which was served to each client
websockets didn't exist at the time of writing, and long-poll suffered disconnect and timeout issues...
 
hey can anyone tell me whats not working in my mail script
http://pastebin.com/PtkC3uf1
 
9:25 PM
not to mention that I could serve 50,000 concurrent users with the static HTML, and 400 with persistent connections...
 
I just have this idea that i will do as a project to practice web development
but don't know i feel i want to complete it - make it optimal, insanity ?
 
@Gordon Saw it :D I just think people will abuse it massively, that's all. I hope I'm wrong.
 
@francoboy7 Is that information i.e. address coming fdrom the client side?
If so you may want to read some info about header injection
 
@ircmaxell Really, that much of difference?
 
no its my adress just to check if its working
 
9:27 PM
Ahh, how'd I get in here?!
/me disappears
 
@salathe Who are you?
 
Later @salathe :P
 
:P
 
@webarto yeah, significant. Think about it, a persistent connection requires a thread or a process (without websockets). Massive overhead
 
@webarto first i thought its cool, then i figured that its a waste of time. it's an app focused on negativity. that will eventually start to leak on you and you'll get negative, too. i dont want that for me.
 
9:28 PM
@PeeHaa not its my adress just testing it to see if its work and its not working
 
feels like shit getting ignored
 
/me throws a wet trout at @salathe
 
>:
fuck don't pity me
 
/me throws a wet snout at @salathe
 
@francoboy7 And it is never going to come from the clientside?
Also. Strange comment in there:
                    // NOT text/html
                    $headers2 .= "Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8\r\n";
 
9:29 PM
@PeeHaa the adress to send to will be coming from clientside
 
Then look into header injection prevention
 
@Gordon I don't get mad or hate because I wait for table (like shown on hero picture), I think that's for spoiled people :) I don't hate.
 
Also it's hard to tell what you are doing wrong. Any error messages you want to share with us? What mailserver do you use to send the messages? Does it work from CLI?
hey @Charles :)
 
@PeeHaa y0
 
@ircmaxell crunching numbers ... you are right :) thanks
 
9:31 PM
:-P
 
How are you today @Charles ?
 
Now, with something like Node or React and websockets, the numbers change significantly, especially considering how many updates you're doing...
 
[11-Mar-2013 16:51:03 America/New_York] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '!', expecting ',' or ';' in /home/entendu/public_html/test1.php on line 33
[11-Mar-2013 16:51:05 America/New_York] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '!', expecting ',' or ';' in /home/entendu/public_html/test1.php on line 33
[11-Mar-2013 16:51:03 America/New_York] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '!', expecting ',' or ';' in /home/entendu/public_html/test1.php on line 33
[11-Mar-2013 16:51:05 America/New_York] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '!', expecting ',' or ';' in /home/entendu/public_html/test1.php on line 33
 
@PeeHaa Busy, a bit ill, researching local colo.
 
9:33 PM
@francoboy7 well there you have it. You have a parse error on line 33. Fix that and thank me later :)
 
@webarto yeah. wasnt implying anything about you in particular. just in general. I've noticed negativity have that leaking effect on me, so I stay away from it.
 
@Charles Busy and ill. That doesn;t sound very nice
 
@PeeHaa I have a kid in preschool. Being sick comes with the territory.
 
:)
4 messages moved to Trash can
He's not bin worthy and you know it
 
9:40 PM
Picard management tip: Don't assume anything is possible or impossible until you've asked the people who will be doing the work.
 
I like it how crap is dripping in from JS to PHP
> @salathe I was unfamiliar with both when I started the project, but Simple HTML DOM claimed to be more like jQuery selectors so I went that path, because I knew jQuery selectors.
 
That's what I'm talking about :)
 
:-P
 
@PeeHaa jQuery selectors \O/
 
9:44 PM
sizzle my dizzle
 
of course...
 
Is Mod Gordo Oheimone winning?
 
hey what about Almagrinhy?
 
Also not too load about that. Our dear friend @hakre is part of the phpquery team now ;)
 
> Every time you refer to CSS Selectors as jQuery Selectors, a senior developer has an aneurism.
2
I'm out, later
 
9:45 PM
@ircmaxell :D
 
later @ircmaxell
"Senior jQuery Developer" I like that
:D
 
@ircmaxell i feel the same (and commented it on many occasions) but jQuery has indeed selectors that the w3 spec doesnt have
 
@Gordon I think I skimmed over it at some point. iirc you mentioned that you have an other video on DCI?
 
@Gordon Even then it is still sizzle
Or have they already dropped that?
 
fo sizzle my nizzle
 
9:49 PM
/me is starting to see a pattern in the starreds.
 
@webarto Are you following jquery 2? I.e. do you know what they are doing?
 
> Just remember, jQuery 2.0 doesn’t work on IE 6, 7, or 8!
I like it.
@PeeHaa Was going to ask the same question :)
 
:-)
 
Hi everybody. What algorithm should i use to rebuild graph in PHP (pulled it from database ofc, used [edge_id, start_vertex, end_vertex] table from this codeproject.com/Articles/22824/… article)? Maybe there is some library in PHP for working with them? I can't wrap my head around, looks like i'm too dumb for it.
 
9:54 PM
@Ivan0x32 try pinging @emanuele-minotto twitter.com/EmanueleMinotto
 
@Gordon only 22 hours left ;-)
 
@Ocramius
 
@igorw yup. there is a couple more at infoq (easy to find when searching for DCI) and there is also artima.com/articles/dci_vision.html and vimeo.com/8235574 and a couple more at tele-task.de/archive/lecture/overview/6269
 
@Gordon That Jim character looks like Steve J. in that picture (to me).
 
@webarto somewhat yeah. but its probably just the beard
 
9:57 PM
All hail Sir Christopher, User of the API! Conqueror of Recurring Payments! He Who Has Called Paypal Tech Support and Lived to See the Light of Day! Bow before his mighty NPV strings, for he has bested the terrible Paybeast!
 
Hail!
 
@Gordon DUDE
 
I'm really glad this project is over.
:D
 
@webarto I said Hail, not Heil! That's a HUGE difference!!!1
 
@Chris it works, really glad for you ;-)
 
9:58 PM
@Gordon ;P
 
HAIL chris the Sturmbannführer
 
even though the levenshtein is just 1
 
My mustache is all wrong for that, anyway.
 
@Chris Viva la revolucion! Viva Chris!
 
9:59 PM
@Gordon thanks, bookmarked
 
ein API, ein problem EIN CHRISF!
 
you guys are really really weird :D
 
Guilty, but I'm Dutch so it's ok
 
I'm especially pleased with being done today because Paypal decided to "update" their developer area today, of all days. I have $100k of credit card transactions going through this damn thing in 3 days and they want to update their developer area NOW?!
 
@Chris lol murphy law man
 
10:01 PM
@PeeHaa i listened to your ESC song today. I dont know if that will win but it's not bad. but I am biased because I like Anouk anyway.
 
And of course, not one part of their "update" works, at all. Not even logging in.
 
@Gordon I don't like Anouk. She has been my neighbor for some time and it's a stupid cunt. She can sing though :)
 
@Ocramius thanks for the tip. Maybe someone else knows anything about subject?
 
@Chris yesterday i went to order some book at oreilly after they mass email me a super deal on some e-book. I then decide to go on the site to purchase some, just to find myself in the front of a 500 error and a redirection stating a site update... damn
 
How typicaly are categories with collisions stored in database?
 
10:03 PM
Doubt it will do us any good in there though. I like her rocky songs better
 
@PeeHaa your neighbor? really? what did she do to make you not like her?
 
I think that's meant for me :)
 
@Ivan0x32 you can also ask @_odino_ :)
 
@PeeHaa they definitely are much better. the early stuff is gold. the new stuff is rather poppy
 
I would rant against them for changing something right before a big marketing event, but I just got done... changing... something... right... before... an...event....

SMH. BRB, rolling back changes.
 
10:04 PM
shakefist at chat stop scrolling when I click message references!!!
 
:P
@Gordon You know those people in the neighborhood everybody hates? That was her
What a Asocial bitch that is
 
@PeeHaa at least it wasn't the landlord ;-)
 
:)
 
@PeeHaa because she was partying all night long and disturbing everyone?
 
does anyone know what could i do to avoid a bottleneck in a sql lookup table?
 
10:07 PM
@Gordon No not at all. She was very quiet. Never saying anything to anybody. She like the kind of person when you see her in the morning and say good morning to her she turns her head
 
@PeeHaa maybe she is shy :D
 
:P
 
although I saw her posting a picture of her naked butt on fb so maybe she aint that shy but then again its the internet. thats different from talking to real people
 
The kind of people that nonone of the neighborhood likes in MY hometown are usually the kind of people that manufacture meth.

#RuralLife
 
You need to use some caching system. IDK if im right but memcached can be a solution.
 
10:09 PM
once i had a neighborhood who was playing drum all the time, it was a pure evil nightmare.
 
@Gordon It's a nice piece of ass though
 
@PeeHaa very much
 
@PeeHaa Now that's rude and sexist, I'm going to tweet this.
 
Or did you meant that you have a very large table? Then indexes are solution if i'm not mistaken.
 
@webarto It's not rude nor sexist when it's true right? :)
 
10:10 PM
@Ivan0x32 i got a many-to-many situation
 
@PeeHaa so everybody hated her because she wouldnt socialize?
 
resen
 
@hakre resen? english please :P
 
@Gordon That and there were some minor bitchfights
Lets just say she didn't fit
 
@PeeHaa did she move away or did you?
funny how small the world is
 
10:15 PM
@Gordon She did move away. And at some point I got thrown out told to leave in the most friendly way possible by my ex
@Gordon Yep. Especially funny because it's a real tiny village
 
@Gordon hello ladies ;)
 
@hakre you are drunk
 
no not at all
I haven't touched alcohol for some weeks now
 
@hakre ok, you are out of your mind
2
logic conclusion ftw!
 
@Gordon is that proper English then?
"to be bored out of one's mind"
 
10:19 PM
/me says something stupid, blames it on alcohol
 
@Gordon Why would logic conclusions f*** the world?
 
ftw = for the win
being out of mind ftw.
 
@MadaraUchiha :D
 
@hakre FTW = Fuck The World
You ain't foolin' me!
 
can someone help me understand version numbering for popular php packages (i.e. symfony)
when do you, the author of a package or library, decide to go from 2.1 to 2.2
 
10:25 PM
It depends
 
and why are there still "dev" versions of prior releases (e.g. 2.1.x-dev still exists when 2.2.x-dev also exists)
 
@PeeHaa on?
 
@dyelawn semver.org
 
@dyelawn Whatever the delevopers decide. There are some "standards" though
 
10:28 PM
@Gordon (before thinking i don't research things, please note the "This release process has been adopted as of Symfony 2.2, and all the "rules" explained in this document must be strictly followed as of Symfony 2.4." block quote)
@igorw thank you
 
@dyelawn im not thinking. im just linking
 
and rapping?
 
@dyelawn nah. too late in the evening
 
ok so if i'm starting a project right now, i want to be on 2.2?
or 2.3, since that's the first "long term support" version?
 
@dyelawn probably yes on 2.2. 2.3 is not yet released.
 
10:32 PM
@dyelawn you always want to pick the latest stable version
 
so you start to write on 2.2. Then you do one upgrade to 2.3 and then you're on the LTS branch
 
@Gordon while I generally agree, LTS can be a concern to Enterprise Customers (tm)
 
and the rationale is that the "backwards compatibility at all costs" philosophy will make migration from 2.2 to 2.3 an easy process?
 
@igorw there it is again: Enterprice to feel secure.
 
@dyelawn in theory, yes
 
10:35 PM
also, having read that link (and knowing there are contributors to significant symfony bundles in here) how many of your bundles will follow the standard release pattern?
essentially, if i'm trying to write a bundle, is it absolutely crucial that my versions and release schedule match the symfony release schedule?
 
What may seem like a random question, but there's a method to my madness:
Anyone here like Zoids?
 
night all
 
or is it ok if you release for 2.3, then 2.5, then not again until 3.0
 
@Gordon night
 
@Gordon good night
 
10:38 PM
Wow, nobody here likes/liked zoids?
 
@igorw like, packagist says your fosuserbundle's latest version is 2.0.x-dev. so is there another release in the works?
or is 2.0.x-dev supposed to be ok for the entire range of symfony listed in the "require"?
 
@dyelawn yes, there is a 2.0.x version that is unstable and has no releases at all yet, so you should not use it
but that will possibly become a 2.0.0 version eventually
 
so the version numbers don't "match" the symfony version numbers?
 
no
and they shouldn't. for one it means you would need to start at some weird version like 2.1.0
 
10:45 PM
is that particular bundle used in any environment other than symfony?
 
also, bundles can support more than one symfony version. but the main problem is that you should be following semantic versioning. Which means that if you want to break BC, you should be able to bump your versions accordingly.
 
what is bc?
 
@dyelawn Bro Code.
 
backward compatibility
 
thank you
@MadaraUchiha not you
 
10:48 PM
:P
 
@Gordon gn8
@dyelawn I think many are following semver.
 
@hakre for me (someone who pays way too much attention to the meaning of words) within semver there are lexical issues. calling it "semantic" is pretty ironic to me, actually.
 
but you did understood what is meant by that?
 
i do. but it is not semantic, at least, not to someone who understands the words from a linguistic perspective first
 
as language is a living thing, you can have really intensive debates about the meaning of words ;)
 
10:52 PM
@hakre right you are
 
especially with programmers who love to debate everything in detail
 
as a single example, though, semvar says "X", "Y", and "Z" are "major", "minor", and "patch" respectively.
 
dictionary wars <3
 
but, if i read the symfony versioning doc correctly, in symfony parlance, X, Y, and Z would be Major, Chronological, (something else)
not going to be a d*ck though, learned my lesson in this particular forum about that. if i've got any good comments on the matter, i'll submit them in a more appropriate forum
@igorw i understand why, on the face of it, it makes little sense to start versioning at 2.2.x. but if your project is a symfony bundle, ergo it does not work with any other projects or frameworks, is it such a terrible idea?
 
Evening ladies
 
10:57 PM
@DaveRandom good evening :)
 
Hola Chris
 
What's hapnin' dudes?
 
Hey, can someone tell me how does Yii load the Gii module? I am using manual and it seems not getting fired
 
@DaveRandom Same thing we do every night pinky
 

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