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18:00
@Tek I'd charge him a relatively standard rate of 70$/hour @ 3 hours. But I'd finish the job free of charge if it takes longer then 3 hours
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@Raynos lol
I'd also only charge him 70$ if it's finished and working in 1 hour.
@Tek if its hobby, charge whatever you want.
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@Gordon What difference in price does it make if it's a hobby or not?
$70/h sounds reasonable to me
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18:02
shit didn't mean to edit this part and I forgot what I said on this line, oh well
@Gordon Ok then. =)
@Tek if you do it for a living you have to calculate your hourly rates to cover your expenses plus bridge times in which you dont have a job plus the money you actually want to earn to spend it
@Gordon don't you charge based on difficulty, talent and personal worth rather then what you need to pay the bills by the end of the month?
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Now, not knowing enough mysql. Would I have to write a script in php to split the names and reinsert them? Or can this be done directly via mysql?
@Raynos no, people wouldnt be able to afford me if I'd ask for personal worth ;)
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lol
18:05
@Raynos and I'm not saying "to pay the bills" but "to make a living". earning enough to pay the bills is usually not enough to make a living
@Gordon but thats the point. your worth it. as long a your own estimation of personal worth is not wrong
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@Raynos >you're
@Tek don't get all <grammar-nazi> on me
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@Raynos Nope, just trying to help :D
@Tek I'll help your face.
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18:06
lol
I wish when pasting permalinks it'd show the quote in the chat instead of having the person click on it
or can it do that already?
3 mins ago, by Tek
Now, not knowing enough mysql. Would I have to write a script in php to split the names and reinsert them? Or can this be done directly via mysql?
oh nice! :D
@Tek if we answer that, we are entitled a share of your income
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LMAO
or even worse, we are the consultants then.
which means we can ask for $120/h
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rofl
What company do you work for anyway @Gordon?
@Tek whatever you do, do a backup first
@Tek i'm self employed
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18:09
@Gordon :O
@Gordon How much do you charge?
@Gordon can you give recommendations on how to be self employed sustainably as a fresh graduate?
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@Gordon I see I see, that explains why you asked if I did this for a living :) You'd know that for sure eh hehe
@Raynos I second that.
Oh and I can't tell whether your humorously arrogant/cocky or actually really good
@Fallion depends on the client and job and task. but not below 55 euro
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18:11
@Raynos Both? ;)
@Tek i know your neither :D
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@Raynos >>you're
@Tek hate you.
@Raynos the best advice I can give is: make sure you like to eat bread and water in the beginning ;) or try to get jobs via recruiters. they'll are unpopular and they'll cut a few euro from your hourly rate, but they have the jobs you wouldnt get easily
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@Raynos :D You asked for it lol (that's kind of neat. ding) (btw I have desktop notifications so you just spammed my whole screen with desktop notification windows x.x)
18:13
@Gordon what about emigration as a graduate
Do any of you know how I would emigrate to say australia as a graduate and get a job there
@Raynos im not sure about australia but i think you have to have a job there before you can emigrate to there
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@Gordon Define "job". You could have lots of clients there but not exactly be employed by them but rather have contracts with them...
Ah ok
@Tek well, you have to get the contracts somehow. from my experience, that's the most tedious job. it doesnt matter how good you are when you dont land contracts
That's kind of my story now.
Need to get work, but don't know how/where.
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18:16
@Gordon Where do you get your contracts mostly then? I'm guessing word of mouth?
@Fallion It's just a matter of looking really.
like I said, i work with recruiters. they have the projects. so i dont have to bother about getting new project offers.
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ah
@Gordon Are there any jobs you have bombed? lol'
bombed?
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messed up, not finished
etc
hmm, im sure i did a lot of bad coding in the beginning, but bombed.. no.
18:19
Just dont take maintenance jobs ;)
I have jobs where I actually rewrote the site after it had been live, because I didn't like the way it performed.
"This guy made us a brand new website but it doesnt work in IE6. It needs to work by next week"
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@Raynos I'm sure Gordon takes maintenance jobs....
@Raynos That doesn't involve php :P
@Raynos "It looks great. But it's broken on IE6, please fix it 70% of our employees use it"
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@Raynos

1.)Secretly make a .bat script to install google chrome frame on all clients computer.


2.)???


3.)Profit!
18:21
@Tek try that with a bank. :) Multiple locations etc.
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@Fallion Fixed. =)
And entire security system built on IE6.
Which I will never understand.
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@Fallion They were limited by the tools of their time I think. Aka ActiveX
This job was this year.
Hey guys, does anyone have some XP using git via shell_exec ?
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18:23
@Fallion ...Well, non techy people will never know how to find good developers
Argh I hate people.
[7:54:22 PM] Olinka: okay. my knee hurts but id like to come. when and where do we meet
[7:54:54 PM] Simon Prochazka: It's all on facebook?
[7:56:43 PM] Olinka: aaaa. so i didnt check it. cant u just tell me? :)
[7:57:12 PM] Simon Prochazka: Fine, I shall go on Facebook and copy paste it here...
[7:57:40 PM] Simon Prochazka: Lezecké centrum Mammut
Bubenská 1536/43
[7:57:56 PM] Simon Prochazka: 10 minutes by foot from Nadrazi Holesovice.
[7:57:57 PM] Olinka: just tellme wha time
[7:58:04 PM] Simon Prochazka: 2PM
@Bathan no personal experience, nope. Sorry
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@ircmaxell What is it? :)
@edorian np tks :)
18:28
@Tek: more of what was discussed yesterday
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@ircmaxell There was a lot discussed yesterday, what part?
sure
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@ircmaxell Ah that's right. How's that going?

@Gordon Ah, all right. :) Have any clients tried to contact you directly?
ah f! i didnt want to edit that up there
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lol!
18:31
Not good. But whatever
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same thing happened to me earlier
im gonna take a shower
laters
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see ya
@Gordon Enjoy.
18:31
posted on April 08, 2011

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@ircmaxell Still haven't decided what you're going to do?
I'm going to talk to our director next week. It all depends upon what happens then
What are you deciding about?
whether to make @ircmaxell the CTO
18:33
:)
I wouldn't take that job
I'm smart enough to realize what I'm not good at
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loll
Do you not like your job?
It's not that
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18:35
@MichaelAngstadt He does, he might just be taking more than he can chew.
I still really like aspects of it
No, it's not that I'm taking more than I can chew
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right?
oh, then?
Just think it's time to move on to something different?
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@MichaelAngstadt Stop guessing and let him finish :P
@ircmaxell Who doesn't like being violated? ;)
lol
18:36
well, that's the point
LOL
Why'd you remove it :(
so that's the sigh
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I see. My question is if you've negotiated with them to properly compensate you for that?
that's what I'm going to do retroactively next week
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ahh all right. Best of luck with it man :)
18:42
thanks
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Which one?
Italy
Where do you live now?
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@Fallion I'm not sure myself, he travels way too much. :P
USA
lol. I don't travel nearly as much as I used to
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18:43
@ircmaxell So why can't you work via SSH? lol
USA to Italy, not sure if that's the best move.
I don't want to work from home. I know myself too well...
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:O
@ircmaxell Get an office and work there just so you don't have to be 'home'? :)
@ircmaxell Having a problem with that right now. I have a place at my brothers office. But I'm not sure if I want to use it, because there's loud heavymetal music and a mess.
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18:45
lol
I don't like having a mess around me.
And they're disorganized messy designers.
Hi @markus
Hi everyone
18:49
How's it going?
checking out SO chat for the first time, looks neat
works astonishingly well
It's awesome :)
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markusPHP - the Sierpinski gasket a.k.a the Triforce OK, it's 15 lines of code but the result is awesome! That's the kind of stuff that made me freak out when I was a child. This is from the PHP manual: $x = 200; $y = 200; $gd = imagecreatetruecolor($x, $y); $corners[0] = array('x' => 100, 'y' =...

And it can even make your face show up (or something)
18:52
:) seems so, how did you do that?
just pasting in the link to a question
it does the same for twitter, wiki and some other things
sounds cool
yeah, typical SO answer-phenomenon this one, when I work my ass of for an answer, I get 1 upvote, when I copy-paste something from the php manual, I get a 100
but why I'm here: any Zend Framework developers around here? I'd like some feedback on an idea I have
18:54
define developer? People that use it, or people that develop it on the actual team?
"adding works with '+' operator" => WOOT +15
"1500 words" => "tl;dr"
we have one ZF project but I'm only doing QA for that now so much acutally coding
doesn't matter, people who use it, will use it, like it, are interested in it
apart from that @Gordon does ZF too
Well, post the idea away (I'm not huge into ZF in particular, but I like hearing ideas)
@Gordon, yeah I know...
I started with a small monitoring component based on (extending) Zend_Log
central db table for different projects and environments
so far logging php errors, exceptions and slow db queries
18:59
Well time to move some margin-top margin-bottom values because the designer is not happy.
one thing: you're going to log slow db queries... to the database?
the idea came up because I hate error logs and I like my things centralized and neatly sortable and filterable
@ircmaxell If it's a different db server ;)
yeah, of course the monitor uses a separate adapter, which cannot be logged
Yeah, centralised logging can be amazing

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