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09:00
@jmikola You could modify the AST prior to compilation. See phpinternalsbook.com/php7/extensions_design/….
 
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10:01
hi
I need some assistance, nothing to crazy more brainstorming. :-)
An naming conventions.
Situation :
- Imagine you have to create a 'planning tool app' for whatever kind a business.
- The tool needs to have a calendar where a admin can setup available slots to book
- The tool needs to have a calendar on the front-end where end-users can select and book a 'timeslot'.
That's like being done 1m times already.
The question I have about this, is how in software development you decide when you go with a paid plan per month/year how you 'bring this to live'. What I mean by that:
What is it called to generate 1 application for 100 admins who will receive a individual platform like: business2313.mytool.com
Or: Do you generate a custom tool which you have to 'update individually' per client?
Is this where SAAS etc stuff comes in?
Who can help me with getting this clear in my head? :) Thanks.
I would never split that up into "one app per client", instead host as SaaS multi-client all with these custom domains.
Updating one app for all clients is going to be mega much more easier to do then updating it a 100 times, or... if you ever get a million paying users try to do that!
I would also charge from the start.
Yeah apart from charging :-)
I follow you.
I'm not saying anything (All options are open) Like I say it's just in my head an idea how this would work in a perfect world.
So :
- 1 application
- No instances from the application, just multiple user accounts.

How about security?
10:46
yes, have security
lol
I super appreciate your answers to stuff @Derick. Thanks
I mean... open question, open answer
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@Derick Could you please have a look at github.com/php/php-src/issues/9216#issuecomment-1218243563 (mailing list subscription issue).
I can look, but I doubt I can do something about it without knowing all the details
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@Duikboot One option is to have a tenant ID (which is "unguessable"), and needs to be provided for each request.
@Derick Who else would be able to know all the details. Is there anybody doing ML administration?
10:56
I mean, I don't even know when they sent something to admin
or what their name is
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Ask them. If all else fails, you can have a private "chat" via gist.github.com.
Why is (not) subscribing to the list blocking them from creating an RFC?
One thing that definitely was broken for the ML back in January is the time on the ezmlm host. I noted that back in January in this email: externals.io/message/116847#116847. This mismatching time might trip up spam filters.
Why doesn't this work ? https://3v4l.org/EZVGv

This works though https://3v4l.org/cEFr4

is it a bug in engine ?
The remark probably wasn't noticed and I did not follow up, because ultimately it worked for me :-)
11:04
Ok ok
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@salathe Well, they need to be able to discuss the RFC on internals.
@cmb They can't email internals without being subscribed?
Nope, emails from non-subscribers are not accepted (last time I stumbled upon this).
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Yep (spam prevention).
Urgh, since when?
Also, is that documented anywhere?
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11:13
AFAIK, it's working this way for years. Probably no documentation, but IIRC, after writing to the ML, you get a reply which you need to confirm. But that reply may never reach you (perhaps it's not sent).
yeah, it's a self-confirm
been working like that for decades...
i've never been a fan of ezmlm as it's so archaic, but I don't really want to spend a boat load of time changing it over either (and to what?)
also, moving it to something else will break news.php.net
@Derick You definitely used to be able to email the lists without subscribing. That's part of why we pushed folks to use "reply all" since not everyone is (was, I guess) subscribed.
yes, you can, but you still had to go through the global "self-confirm" cycle once
The only modern alternative really is Mailman 3. And even switching from Mailman 2 to 3 is more or less impossible, unless you want to re-set it up from scratch.
@Derick Fair enough, it's obviously been "decades" since I did that, if ever. Subscribing via the web form Worked For Me™ last week, for whatever that's worth.
11:17
@salathe Can you confirm or deny whether the Date header in the confirmation email was correct back then?
@TimWolla Nope, those emails have been shredded.
11:30
@TimWolla What are you going on about with dates?
@Derick When I subscribed with my $companyMail in January for my redacting sensitive parameters RFC, I noticed that the confirmation email's Date header was offset by 1 hour, 8 minutes versus the correct time. This caused the email to not appear at the top of my Inbox back then.
The dates in the Received headers of the remaining php.net infrastructure were correct, though. Mismatches like these may result in spam filters adding points to the email, possibly resulting in it being dropped.
So likely the ezmlm host does not have NTP set up properly.
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I can confirm that the date may not be correct. Happens to me occassionally (I'm not subscribed to any php ML), and I need to scroll up to find that new email.
@FaizanAkramDar Not a bug, but deliberate limitation; see wiki.php.net/rfc/….
11:50
ok, let me check the date on the mailing list server
@TimWolla it's nearly two hours off
don';t know how freebsd does this...
why is this a freebsd machine?!
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@Derick Would you need a Windows license? :p
why?
@TimWolla time should be OK again now, and NTPd running
Can confirm: Date: 25 Aug 2022 11:58:22 -0000
12:11
yeah, I know what the date is ;-)
The "should" implied a level of uncertainty to me :-)
13:01
@cmb thanks
13:38
so many date/time notes...
 
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14:49
...so little time?
(sorry)
15:07
> Wouldn't new operators, // and %% respectively, be preferable?
> Is this not one time where using a flag to change a function's behaviour makes sense?
no
no
 
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16:08
Morning
16:19
<3
16:36
Why does json_validate support the JSON_THROW_ON_ERROR flag? o.O
16:47
Who cares, just vote no and let the author publish it to PECL where no-one will download it. :-p
17:02
:D
17:43
that's a little rude
17:55
@salathe You found that one person who relied on spacebar heating. :D
@Derick Something I said?
"Who cares, just vote no and let the author publish it to PECL where no-one will download it.ж
сорри, шги дід ми кеибоард ґо інто руссіан моде?
Is it working again? yes
Um, what are you trying to say?
18:15
Never mind. I'll go back to hiding under a rock.
I hit a key combination that my made keyboard switch into Ukrainian
 
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20:21
@Derick Asking you because I feel like you would most likely have the knowledge of this... From estimates I have found in the past about the earth's motion around the Sun, the solar systems motion around our galaxy, our galaxies motion among the super cluster, and our local group's motion through the universe relative to the CMB... the speed the earth is moving through the universe relative to the CMB is estimated to be around 389km/s. Does that number sound familiar?
The reason for my interest is simply... the space our bodies currently reside at this very moment in the Universe, will occupy a space in the universe that is currently 1,400,400km away, in an hour. Does that sound right? Just fascinating to think about.
Away from what?
Space is expanding as well, so
Relative to the CMB
Like a balloon being ever blown bigger and bigger
Ah
That I don't know :)
Ask the folks at #physics, libera chat
It's a slow Thursday in here. =P
Derick plays Kerbal Space... so he is sort of a resident expert. =D
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@OlleHärstedt space actually does not expand within gravitationally influences spacetime
gravity is too strong/there isn't enough space to accumulate the vacuum energy to make it expand
20:28
Does that mean within each local group space does not expand?
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@StatikStasis your number sounds right-ish
That's good enough for me. =) Thanks
@StatikStasis haha k
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intergalactic space does expand, and there's a lot of it
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20:29
as to whether this effect happens withing a local group, it depends on how the local group is defined i suppose
Btw, did you know that spacetime concept was in fact not invented by Einstein, but by a mathematician? Markowski, right?
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the milky way has sattelite galaxies and space doesnt expand between these
but there is probably very, very minor expansion between the milky way and andromeda
@OlleHärstedt yes! well, sort of. einstein did invent/conceive of the idea of a 4d spacetime that behaves the way we understand it, but only because markowski invented some math that perfectly fit his theories
I figured since Andromeda and Milky Way would collide one day, maybe it was outside of the local group... but that makes sense there could be some slight expansion within local group... that is still A LOT of space.
@JRL Sure, general rel is of course Einstein
Einstein was even skeptic about it at first, if the quotes I've read are correct
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i dunno what the math says on expansion between andromeda and milky way to be honest. i know 100% that expansion simply doesn't occur within the galaxies
20:33
There are some neat gifs of simulations of collision between those two galaxies
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i suppose it depends on whether dark energy is a scalar field or not
12 mins ago, by Statik Stasis
The reason for my interest is simply... the space our bodies currently reside at this very moment in the Universe, will occupy a space in the universe that is currently 1,400,400km away, in an hour. Does that sound right? Just fascinating to think about.
That's 870,000 miles for my fellow Americans. =)
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so the most interesting concept to me is how "infinity" fucks with the human mind in regard to the universe
it's totally possible that the universe is infinite
it's extremely flat, which makes that more likely/tidy
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20:40
but that should mean that there is another planet, far beyond our cosmic horizon, where a literal copy of you is living a different life
Without infinity, we might be a Boltzman brain :)
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not in an alternate reality
Our bodies moving through the Universe at 1.4M km/h... it would still take us 133 days to cover the distance between Earth and Neptune.
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in this one, just far enough away that it's causally disconnected
Infinite many copies
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20:41
yep
i think the minimum distance to "expect" to find a "recurrance" of earth and it's current biosphere was something like 10^100 lightyears
I'm not sold on the multi-verse theory... and I doubt it will be proven while I am alive.
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eh, that's not even a multiverse theory
that's just a consequence of this universe being infinite
i mean, it's multiverse in a way i guess
but not in the way meant by most multiverse theories
My understanding of it is too rudimentary to know the difference, to be honest.
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humans are really, really bad at grasping the concept of infinity by default.
Oh yeah... infinity just blows my mind up.
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20:47
one of the best sort of explanations of it ive seen was in "How to count past infinity" by VSauce. he did a really good job, only some very minor errors.
I saw that, but it's been a while.
Which type of infinity, tho? There are many... :)
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he talks about aleph null and aleph one, and alludes to others
ah
Why do I know such shit
Imagine spending time on useful things, lmao

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