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4:47 AM
@Crell I don't know if I get the point of your opinion in favor or not. This require making built-in __serialize aware of the flags and by default ignore these properties which are marked. Ofc others can also read the flag and do whatever they want.
 
 
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JRL
7:43 AM
@cmb, do you have an opinion about the question i posed to joe? adding a fall-through for == in the VM so that extensions can handle that opcode specifically in do_operation instead of as part of compare if they want?
 
 
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9:48 AM
@IluTov I don't think there is an SMTP server in the PHP project that can be used to send emails from authenticated users.
 
10:07 AM
morning
 
10:22 AM
@Derick Ok... What server sends the mailing list e-mails?
 
Yes, we have a mail server for that... but no auth for users to use.
It can only send email submitted locally.
 
@Derick Hm ok. I mean, I mean we could use a gmail account. It has a limit of 2000 mails a day which should be more than enough.
 
We can look at setting this up, but all the email stuff is ... of odd types.
 
@Derick Before we invest too much time, I'll create a PR on GitHub first to see if there's interest in the action. If so I'll get back to you. Since this e-mail is intended for a narrow scope I think gmail would also be absolutely fine.
 
I would be reluctant on relying on gmail for this (or anything, really :-) ).
But good to start with as a trial, I suppose.
 
10:35 AM
@Derick Luckily the e-mails are neither important nor secret :)
 
cmb
10:54 AM
@JRL no, I don't have an opinion on that. :) To proceed, consider to submit a PR.
 
11:53 AM
Morngins
 
12:33 PM
o/
 
 
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1:43 PM
\o
 
IGP
o/
 
1:55 PM
\o
 
2:34 PM
o/
 
@brzuchal If I understand the idea, it changes only the built in default serialize() behavior. If I implement __serialize() myself, I can already return/not return whatever the hell I want, and that doesn't change. Right?
 
@Crell Yes.
Is it worth making RFC?
 
I guess I'm... OK with it. I'd probably vote for it, give or take details like naming, but it's not something I'd spend time on myself.
There's probably also questions about how it relates to the open "exclude from backtrace" attribute discussion, which is... not quite the same but likely overlaps a lot.
 
I'd propose the Transient attribute name as it's called same in javax.persistence.Transient and org.springframework.data.annotation.Transient
It could be subject of a future to use it for var_export ignore as well possibly
 
3:05 PM
I got my mjolnir elephpant t-shirt by @Wes :D
 
3:19 PM
I still wear my hoodie each winter. =)
 
I also bought a hoodie a few days ago ^^ Now i'm (im)patiently waiting.
 
3:57 PM
I also received a standing easel I ordered on Sunday ... today ... I received the email that it had shipped at 2AM
Very fast shipping XD
 
4:35 PM
Nice- doing some drawing?
 
4:53 PM
PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught Exception: Error in /var/app/debug.php:11
Stack trace:
#0 /var/app/debug.php(14): test()
#1 {main}
  thrown in /var/app/debug.php on line 11
anyone know what ini setting it is that makes parameters appear in the stack trace or not?
 
@StatikStasis Painting! :D I need a creative outlet that doesn't involve a screen, painting has been that niche for me in the past.
 
I do oil painting.
One sec... I'm not great but it is a fun outlet for sure.
 
@Danack Installing Xdebug.
 
5:10 PM
@Derick thanks.
 
Sorry, that wasn't a troll.... I am pretty sure that default PHP doesn't add parameters to stack traces.
 
yeah....didn't think you were trolling....and I normally do my test stuff on a box without xdebug.
though TIL zend.exception_ignore_args exists also.
 
The RFC says: " zend.exception_ignore_args completely omits parameters in back traces. This is not a useful alternative: "
yeah :-)
I'm talking with Tim for the podcast about this on Monday
 
@StatikStasis I, too, am not great, but it is a fun outlet. I've tried oil painting in college, but it's too much work. I'm sticking with acrylics for now. Oils have a bit more flexibility with changing the painting because of the long drying time, but oil paints are a hassle to clean and deal with.
@StatikStasis pretty cool!
 
@Tiffany You can always add a medium to speed up drying time... I usually don't because I make the frames for them so I am not in a hurry so I let them dry for 6 months.
 
5:23 PM
ffing google docs started correcting "Derick" to "Derrick". f-off.
 
@Derick That's got to be annoying Derek.
 
Don't make me kick you out.
 
@Derick Could have been worse :P
 
I could have said just drop the "er" in your name. =D
@PeeHaa I've never asked this before... where did you get your username from? Obviously your initials are involved, but why PeeHaa?
 
5:27 PM
It's literally just my initials in Dutch
Didn't exactly work out once I started meeting international people though :)
 
Ah ok. I was wondering if that was how those letters were pronounced. Kinda like it owuld in Spanish... "Pe-Ah" iirc
 
Yep
 
My online name used to be Majik for the longest... and in RPGs. Then I needed another character name one day for a game and took Marvel's approach of figuring out a first and last name with the same letter and Statik Stasis was just something random I came up with. Started using it in a lot of games and online.
No special meaning at all really...
@PeeHaa You miss the Netherlands at all?
 
@StatikStasis we had this conversation before with peter, I told him it sounds like dick in spanish
 
Peter is another word for that in English as well. =)
 
5:32 PM
In german too
 
Peter the Huge!
 
Nie im leben kleiner Peter
 
@StatikStasis Not really. Just certain food mostly, but I have been able to replicate most food already :)
 
@ln-s Sounds about right :P
 
5:34 PM
@PeeHaa Maybe you know it ? youtube.com/watch?v=xwm6QTAsUpM
It's like pervy venga boys
lol
 
Oh... he'll love that beat
 
I thought venga boys what only known in NL
 
4am german party
@PeeHaa You crazy they were HUGE here back then
 
PeeHaa <3 House Beats
 
@ln-s TIL
 
5:35 PM
Wonder why they never toured here ... perhaps it's like you say, they have that thought that they are only known on certain places
 
@PeeHaa btw... where link for Christmas Gift... still cannot send Steam
 
Bad manager or poor expectations maybe
 
IIRC once people realized it was just Dutch people everybody was like whatever :P
@StatikStasis Speaking of beats!!! I think we will finally be able to finish our studio!
 
Nice!
 
cool you building up a studio ?
 
@StatikStasis do you need an email address or something else?
 
It just would not go through
 
@ln-s Yeah office/studio been waiting for desks for ages
 
Said unable... you mentioned another method
 
Right
 
5:38 PM
You can DM in Twitter if better
 
So initially I thought it was because I have a TR steam account. However Tiffany was able to gift Ekin stuff so that's not it
 
hmm... let me try again
uno mas
 
/me crosses fingers
 
@PeeHaa Guitars bass keyboards drums ?
 
We have an electric guitar (well Ekin has), a keyboard and a mixer
 
5:41 PM
I have everything, but the space is not mine so I can't work on the accoustics, i.e: closing one spot adding accoustic foam, etc and I feel like I want to kill someone
 
@PeeHaa "There seems to have been an error initializing or updating your transaction. Please wait a minute and try again or contact support for assistance."
 
@PeeHaa You play guitar ?
 
@StatikStasis :(
Maybe reach out to steam support. They generally are pretty nice to work with
 
@ln-s I suck terribly at playing any instrument
 
5:43 PM
Same when I try to send to Ekin
 
Ah you are the mixing / music theory guy then :) super important too
 
mixing / producing (digitally) / dicking around kind of guy :D
 
:)
I'm taking some music production classes during the weekends
 
@StatikStasis I assume you have a normal US account right?
 
I can EQ normal music but modern metal is it's own beast
 
5:45 PM
Yep
 
So there is always g2a.com/en-us
They have international keys
 
Speaking of music... youtube.com/watch?v=5vEo6gB6nlA
 
I like it, sounds a bit hands up like
Kept waiting for that hard drop tho
 
I forgot @StatikStasis are you into turn based strategy games?
 
5:47 PM
Chrono trigger / Vaklyrie profile
those are my two goto's I love both
Chrono cross to some extent
Never got hooked on FF
 
Damnit you also just got CIV6 already :D
 
haha
@ln-s FF6 was amazing.
 
It was on my list to gift :D
 
Chrono Trigger was awesome too
 
Been playing it with Ekin and Felix
 
5:50 PM
@PeeHaa Should I do Turkey steam card?
g2a
 
Either that or pick a game :)
Surprise me
 
Chrono trigger is one of those games which touch sensitive fibers
However being square enix, the alter chrono trigger ... could not be done
a crime against humanity
 
I know! I followed that for a while. They had some good clips coming out. I was so let down!
 
same ...
Just hire them and make the game happen
 
@PeeHaa Do you ever play JRPGs?
 
5:56 PM
I had to google what the J stood for
 
Japanese
 
So basically stuff like FF?
 
Yeah'
 
pretty much
 
I think the only real one I know is FF
 
5:58 PM
Xenogears maybe
 
I've got a good one for you. Kinda old now... but really good
@PeeHaa Check Twitter DM
Now...
@PeeHaa Now......
NOW!!!!
 
coming
!
\o/
Thanks! <3
 
Merry Christmas!
Finally...
 
Thank you!
 
You don't have either... let me know what you think. I've played both for many hours.
But on different platforms.
 
6:17 PM
@StatikStasis I like that oil is slower to dry, because I'm not generally a fast painter. Paintings in acrylic are harder to fix. I have an unfinished acrylic painting above my bed that I'd like to complete at some point...
But getting the paints the right consistency, color and stuff will be a challenge, I haven't altered the painting in at least ten years.
 
JRL
6:46 PM
suikoden is pretty good
so is seiken densetsu (secret of mana in US/EU)
 
7:02 PM
I need to do a second run of FE:3H
 
7:21 PM
@JRL Suikoden II. I remember seeing that game brand new in the stores. Never bought it... had I known, I would have bought every copy they had.
Disgaea, Makai Kingdom were also great.
 
JRL
7:34 PM
disgaea is a very different sort of game though. good i agree, but more about infinite power ramp than most RPGs.
 
 
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10:49 PM
@Trowski o/ how does one grab the whole ResultSet with amphp/mysql instead of iterating with advance()?
 
11:13 PM
@Ekin Amp\Iterator\toArray() is likely what you're looking for.
 

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