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12:00 AM
Agreed, but I can't phrase it any other way :/
Because you can have a type which is not a subtype
 
@Danack I work for a syndicate of sorts. The syndicate wants to give added visibility to diverse members in the users.
 
@Girgias tbh I don't mean it should be part of the RFC - maybe just that need some sort of knowledge base that people on internals are supposed to know.
 
(like that's the whole point lol)
For sure for sure
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier "The syndicate wants to give added visibility to diverse members in the users." Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. k. And what's in it for those members?
 
... more visibility?
I'm not privy to that kind of knowledge
 
12:03 AM
/also syndicate ?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier yet again, it strikes me that X.509 is for exactly this, securely exchanging information about domain-specific metrics
that is not useful to you, more a lament about what X.509 could be if we used it properly
 
what I can garner is, there is a definite social movement in Quebec (and elsewhere in the world, but I'm only witness to here) about diversity and inclusion, and many companies want to participate in helping people having more chances to be seen.
I think they want to create something like a "search selection with those users that will have included something"
@Danack an association of professionals, in this case film directors
 
the inlining of the link?
 
thinking of a good saying.
 
12:08 AM
@Danack yes, I start to think that too.
 
Many people restrict their online presence becase they are subject to abuse from assholes.
 
Maybe I should rather put a popup in the logged users private section with a suggestion field in which they tell how they'd want to be given more visibility
 
if you're singling out people's info, without being explicit about why it would be in their interest to have that info, that sounds like a bad trade-off for those users.
yeah - an opt in to promotion would be better, but they'd still be some selection later by someone in marketing for exactly who should be promoted.
meh. I dunno.
 
I'll let that marinate, I'm satisfied with the various points above
 
but I'm already marinated.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier For reference, some user groups in Bristol really cocked this up. Most of the tech user groups in are heavliy skewed with white male attendance. The story I heard, is apparently a black woman moved to Bristol, went to three user groups.....and all three groups decided to use photos of her to prominently promote their meetups.
 
12:20 AM
oh gods
 
The comparisons to Look_I_have_a_black_friend.jpg were.....awkward.
 
to be sure
 
for context: Bristol has a long history of being extra specially terrible at that kind of thing, though I don't doubt there are similar stories to be told about manchester
...which doesn't exactly have a clean historical slate itself
 
@DaveRandom yeah......when a city prefers that you think about their legacy of piracy, instead of the really bad stuff, that's.....not a great start. We're trying though.
 
by contrast, my city was built on the cotton industry, which is as soft and fluffy as it sounds... oh no, wait, the other thing
a lot of major physics happened in this city because once we weren't allowed to make other people do stuff we had to make the universe it for us instead
that's like hardcore a lot more cynical than my real thoughts btw :-P
 
12:36 AM
unless....
 
hmmm
 
nevertheless, the british empire has a lot to answer for past, present and future and more generally, fuck humans.
 
well, npm update report: the bundles still builds, and it doesn't seem to break the whole site just yet. let's commit that!
 
my employer offers "paid volunteer days," I'll have to see if they'll allow open source as a "volunteer" thing (with regards to Joe's blog post)
 
lol dat brsuh off
 
12:37 AM
can't contribute to php-src with my current skill set, but I can still contribute to docs
 
@Tiffany you'd be astounded at my objective "skillset" the first time I committed to php-src... or now...
find a problem and solve it
tbf that is how I learned C and then a lot more things after that, is by playing with the code of php-src that I did not understand
 
so that's how traits happened
 
I'm a tiny bit afraid of turning into a C developer >.>
plus, I just prefer docs over src
 
"C developer" = person who understands what computers do (vs what they look like)
not to invalidate anything else, to be clear
 
don't care what this guy says, time for me is nn.
 
12:43 AM
I just mean that learning to read C also helped me understand an awful lot of things all at once, and I highly recommend putting in the effort if you are windering
 
o/
.. what does it mean that there's only one null value? is there a single address on a computer where the null value is stored and every "reference" to null points to it?
> The simplest type is IS_NULL: It doesn’t need to actually store any value, because there is just one null value.
 
1:00 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier In reference to PHP?
 
yes, that's from the internals book, in the zval structure section
I realize this possibly implicates a lower level of abstraction than that I'm usually thinking about
 
null is a type in PHP, so the "value" is encoded in the type flag.
 
@Trowski yes, that's exactly the kind of answer I was hoping to get
in other words, the "value" is the null value by virtue of being used as such in comparisons and the likes
 
Perhaps non-intuitively, that type flag is 1. 0 is IS_UNDEF
Which actually makes a lot of sense from a typing perspective. 0 is an undefined type.
 
well, if an uninitialized value is the original state, it makes sense that knowing that something is null be higher
yeah
is such a scale necessary? what would it change were it 2836 and -27?
 
1:05 AM
Not at all really.
NULL being 0 would make more sense from a C perspective is all.
 
But… again, this is a type flag, not value.
So the type is 1, the value is 0 (though there's no actual value here).
Sorry, now I'm probably just getting confusing :P
 
no, I think I follow, though I'm not sure if I understand because I think that's already what I was visualizing
what I understand is, similar in a way with an enum field, that corresponds to an integer, IS_NULL here is 1
 
A zval contains a 64-bit value, a 32-bit type, and another 32-bits that you don't really need to be concerned about here.
 
the IS_NULL would be the 32-bit type
 
1:10 AM
Yes.
the value of zend_value (definition right above _zval_struct), is determined based on the type.
So if a zval is IS_LONG, the zval.value.lval is used for the value.
 
Also that's the reason why false and true are encoded as different type values
 
If it's IS_OBJECT, then zval.value.obj is a pointer to the zend_object.
 
So you can just use the type flag for it
 
That was an optimization, yes?
 
that's the "efficiency reasons" mentioned here?
 
1:13 AM
Or is there another technical reason for it?
 
Just optimization, as you don't need to lookup another value
 
There are macros for accessing a zval's value based on the type, Z_LVAL_P(zval_pointer) for instance.
 
I still find the most confusing ones are ZSTR_* and Z_STR_*
 
You want to use these over using zval_pointer->value.lval directly.
@Girgias Eh, yeah, I mix those up all the time.
 
I think the trick is Z_ is for zval, then value type
Where ZSTR is for Zend_STRing
 
1:17 AM
Yeah, still… easy to forget that underscore.
 
Oh for sure :D
 
It's not that I don't know that, my fingers just can't remember.
 
ZEND_STRING and ZENDSTRING are so obviously different, god.
 
I mean I can't remember some other common macros like EMPTY_DEFAULT_SWITCH_CASE (or whatever it is)
 
I don't see the zval initialization macros mentioned, am I just missing it?
 
1:19 AM
#define static /* lol */
 
@Trowski ZVAL_* ?
 
@Girgias Yeah, referencing this page: phpinternalsbook.com/php7/zvals/basic_structure.html
 
Also I'm still confused about all the HashTable API
 
@Girgias I understand how to use it, but the macros make my eyes bleed.
 
yup
Reminds me I still need to try to get an iterator working for my CSV extension
 
it's all just recursive macros open.spotify.com/track/…
 
Welcome to half the docs not being written :p
https://phpinternals.net/
http://www.phpinternalsbook.com/
https://www.zend.com/resources/writing-php-extensions
Those 3 are what I find useful
 
nice. I think this kind of article is more or less exactly what I've dreamed of (without really knowing but like, just a bit) for a few years phpinternals.net/articles/…
 
1:56 AM
hmmm. I don't know if it's the stage of the night, or rather the general concept, but I don't even know anymore which association direction should make sense, or how php's one is backwards phpinternals.net/articles/…
 
it's the booze, you are in a dissociative state
 
That was fixed in 8, yes?
 
this is funny^^
 
@Trowski "fixed" you need parenthesis
But will be fixed in 9
 
@Girgias parentheses or quotes? (sorry)
 
2:02 AM
Ah, ok, must have been thinking of 9.
 
tfw you get an angry knock on the wall and realise you have been listening to music really loud over the top of headphones instead of actually through the headphones
 
@Tiffany I'm tired :(
 
@DaveRandom lol
@Girgias go to bed, ya doof!
 
grumble grumble
 
on the plus side it's 03:03 so at least it's orderly
 
2:04 AM
I'm about six hours behind you, and I'm in bed :P need to put phone down and try to sleep
 
@DaveRandom I mean, you could have been listening really loud to more incriminating material so
 
so yeh, for reasons that don't need exploring at this juncture I watched >5mins of Hitler @ Nuremburg a couple days ago
I mean I didn't but from an audio PoV I did
 
@DaveRandom btw
Any idea
When the fuck you can get down to London? :D
I've also got a pub just down the road...
 
..."eventually" and I'm sorry :-/
ftr I still have a box full of zyxel shit in the van :-P
considering taking a week off for bike tour next month, not that that helps you much :-P
ugh, I got whole load of stag dos and shit like that and I really cba with pretty much any of it, I don't see any actual relaxation on the horizon that doesn't come with a free headstone :-P
 
Don't worry I don't need it soon
But at that point might well bring down the stuff for my friend too as he should be back in London in June so that he can get his shit back
 
2:16 AM
urrrrrrgh god I hate being unreliable and/or me
but yeh sound
 
2:44 AM
@Trowski can't help myself so I need to ask, does lval mean left hand side in this case? or does it mean long value?
one of my main confusions is the naming
 
Long value
 
I have a hard time thinking in lvalue / rvalue / xvalue vs practically anything else
makes sense, thank you
 
Meanwhile I still have no idea what lvalue/rvalue/xvalue means :p
 
@Ekin dval is double value.
 
you can consider I am ruined by this page timsong-cpp.github.io/cppwp/n3337/basic.lval :-P @Girgias
@Trowski gotcha, TIL
 
2:47 AM
lval makes a bit more sense in that context.
Though I'd have probably preferred long_value and double_value. For some reason C developers insist on abbreviations for everything.
 
that, yeah, the latter
well, both, actually
 
length is far too long. Using anything but len is blasphemy.
I mean that's a fairly obvious one, but it can get so much worse.
Guess I'm just one of those young'ins that wasn't limited to 80 columns :)
 
perhaps I've been a little too comfy in the "80 soft limit 120 hard limit" zone myself :-P
 
I know my opinion doesn't matter but I think spelt out is always better for almost all words :p
I also try to stick to under 80 characters and that gets kinda hard when you have a really descriptive method name
@Machavity I don't get it, if they never let the changes get implemented why was there such a fit thrown?
 
3:06 AM
I have absolutely no such scruples
pub fn rollup_svelte_files_at_folder_path(
    absolute_entry_file_path: &str,
    absolute_bundle_file_path: &str,
) -> Result<(), String> {
 
3:22 AM
@Ekin I too use 120 as a hard limit. Maybe it used to be 40 chars? I dunno, just a young'in :)
 
3:43 AM
I have my editor set to enforce a hard limit of 18 characters
 
No direct script acces allowed ・ *Web Server problem ・ #81012
 
 
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7:14 AM
a question about the file opcache, given that it seems not be used that much in the wild and no blogs exist about it, i am wondering about this question in the last comment bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=77478 "What's the official method to clear the memory & file cache so that changes are detected by opcache, without a race condition of manually deleting cache files?"
 
7:53 AM
@Tiffany maybe I'm wrong, but my general impression of github issues is that they're very "flat": a single list of issues, with the only categorisation coming from a single list of tags
compare to the number of different fields on bugs.php.net/search.php
 
@beberlei officially, you are on your own ...
 
every bug tracker I've used has the concept of statuses, and some kind of categorisation fields; except for github issues, where people hack around with carefully named and coloured tags
 
it really looks like the reset function is just missing support for the file cache, but it's been out there long enough for people to be using the bug as a feature ...
restarting just doesn't do anything to the file cache, in a typical afterhoughtish kind of way ... the code is just missing where it should be ... and doesn't exist anywhere else ... and theres not really a nice way to write it, each individual file in the file cache is locked ...
well while you are not exclusively using the file cache, I guess you can wipe it while you hold the lock, but from a glance (I'm not familiar with file cache at all), it looks like no lock you could use is allocated if exclusively using the file cache
well now I think it's not missing as such, because I can't imagine what it would look like, or where you will put it ... I suppose maybe the answer is just including the file cache directory in your atomic deployment, and you'll need atomic deployments, and that's outside the scope of php itself
 
@Spoody to be clear, I'm definitely in favour of ditching bugs.php.net, the NIH Syndrome is strong in that one; but the only reason in favour of github issues specifically seems to be "we wouldn't have to create any users", which to paraphrase Sara, I think is ... meh
 
8:54 AM
@JoeWatkins thanks, that was my thought as well :)
 
9:10 AM
@IMSoP the frequent downtime / required maintenance of bugsnet is a stronger reason imo
on the other hand, I agree with the lack of structure in GH. Additionally, it would be very nice if the current bugs +comments could be imported in GH, which doesn't seem impossible
 
@Sjon read back what I wrote: "I'm definitely in favour of ditching bugs.php.net"; that doesn't mean we have to just replace it with the first thing we find lying around
given a list of all the bug trackers in the world, is there any reason to pick github issues other than authentication (i.e. "we wouldn't have to create any users")?
 
@IMSoP well, the source code being on GH is a pretty strong argument
 
why does that make a difference to anything?
 
integration is nice for a bugtracker imo
 
integration with what?
 
9:17 AM
the issue-tracker and the source-code
obviously you can clone a repo everywhere - but a single platform has some advantages
but I see your point, we probably agree ;)
 
maybe I'm being dense, but other than single sign on, I can't think of any integration between the source code and issues on github
they feel very much like a convenient add-on feature for simple projects to not bother setting up a real bug tracker
 
@IMSoP well, being able to reference specific files/lines with appropriate context is a nice feature. Not so much for users reporting bugs, but for devs working on them / discussing implementation of fixes
 
maybe I just haven't used github issues enough; does it have some automatic code preview then?
I know pull requests share the same UI; I'm not sure whether that's a good design decision or not
 
another argument is that people actually use github
you're much more likely to keep your bug up to date, if you're going to the site 20 times a day whatever, putting up another piece of software in some dark corner of the internet is not very appealing ...
I mean if you're going to build a thing, in the hope people are going to use it, then build it where they actually are ...
the integration stuff is nice, and while it's true we can setup similar and probably better integration with other bug tracking software, the problem starts at "we can setup" ...
on github it works for literally free, nobody has to put any effort in, there's never going to need to be an upgrade or any infra to support it ... so I wouldn't dismiss it as not necessary
also, you can link to code in issues, not that many users will be doing that, because they don't understand the code, but when you have two internals devs looking at an issue, they might well decide to communicate in snippets ...
 
9:35 AM
yeah, the community aspect is a fair point
the zero effort setup I think is an illusion; "zero setup, except writing a custom importer, and creating several dozen tags, and an issue template, and a handful of integration bots..."
low on-going maintenance is true, but only in the same way it would be for any managed / SaaS platform
 
huh, cool, I'd never seen that
I wouldn't be surprised if some other tools will do that out the box using github API, but certainly plenty wouldn't
funnily enough, I find github's activity views pretty useless, and rely on e-mail notifications and bookmarks, just as I would any other site, but that's just personal taste I suspect
 
@JoeWatkins Thanks for that, I didn't know you could do line ranges with https://.../file.c#L55-L84
 
so do I, but that's because I get 500 notifications an hour, it keeps suggesting that I can make it more useful ...
 
one of my problems is I use the same account for work, and most of github has no private repo vs public repo filter
so everything gets thrown into one ugly mess
 
9:45 AM
have ya looked at bugsnet ?
it was designed into 1942
 
@JoeWatkins I believe the only safe way to use opcache is realpath switching at the web server level, in which case you're caching a different path, so the old file cache shouldn't matter?
 
@NikiC right
 
@JoeWatkins as I keep saying, I absolutely think bugs.php.net should go; there was a thread a while back on how to modernise it, and I felt like replying with the letters "NIH" in giant ASCII art, because a good issue tracker is not something you can throw together on a rainy sunday
but github issues feels like somebody said "we should have an issue tracker" and bought the team a few beers to work late and prototype one; it looks nice, but it doesn't really do anything
 
it does enough, it does it for free, it's waiting for us, so are the people that will be using it ... we have no resources, even if someone has written the perfect software, we do not have the resources to deploy or maintain it ...
I can hear you thiinkin "someone will do it" ... and maybe they would
 
like I say, I think the zero setup is an illusion
 
9:53 AM
but they shouldn't, they should do something worthwhile, something that doesn't just represent a time sink ...
no, there's initial and ongoing maint. of any issue tracker
but ongoing is less than if we use some external/3rd party solution, and initial is going to be painful whatever, there's 20 years of crap on bugsnet
 
yeah, SaaS is definitely the way to go
but a SaaS that doesn't require you to maintain a bunch of custom bots would be less effort, if we can find one
 
You're overthinking it. The clear solution is to remove all possible bugs from PHP.
 
git rm -f *; git push --force origin master
 
But I agree with Joe's argument, it's there, it's free, it's where people already are, and almost everyone is already familiar with it. It's not the best, but it works.
 
I just worry that in a few years time, we'll be struggling with unmaintained bots (and where do they get hosted?) and badly organised tags
 
10:01 AM
What bots?
 
I guarantee that someone will propose one on day two of using GH issues
 
we can just say no, can't we ?
 
sure; but since the built-in functionality is so sparse, there's going to be some that are really pretty tempting
 
well I'm struggling to think of any thing they might want a bot to do, but maybe I'm just ignorant ...
 
the one that I see a lot is maintaining the tags so that they make sense
since they're the only fields you have, but don't have any actual hierarchy
so you can ask a user what component their bug is for, but it just shows up in the description; a bot can take that and add the appropriate tag
 
10:08 AM
but users are always wrong
 
then don't let users file bugs :P
 
it would probably add the wrong tag, the tag should be added by a human with a clue about context
 
it would add whatever tag the user told it to add, the same way the form on the current bug tracker does
 
okay but very often, on the current bug tracker, the user selects the wrong category
it's better if they don't make that decision at all
 
@IMSoP bugsnet has a few warts, but why do you consider it nonviable?
 
10:11 AM
@bwoebi if it had started out as a project for php.net, and been adopted by a bunch of other projects who were contributing to it, like bugzilla, then I'd be fine with it
 
I don't get your point? "it's not maintained enough" or what are you saying?
 
it's "NIH Syndrome": when you need an e-mail client, you don't sit down and write one from scratch, you assume that someone else will already have done that better than you could
 
well to be totally fair, there weren't a million projects of the kind that needed secretive security features, and the kinds of features we needed when it was first developed ...
 
yeah, at the time, it may well have made sense, I don't mean any offense to the people who put it together
 
@IMSoP yeah, and why is that an argument that we should switch now?
 
10:17 AM
because, as you say, it has some warts, and the effort to fix those would probably be better spent on a migration to something with fewer warts
 
@IMSoP the issue though is that with new tooling you need to probably install some workflow logic which needs to be maintained, you'll need master user integration into the new tooling etc. …
setting up integrations to link commits, PRs …
 
our workflow is github based, we can use github authentication, right ?
 
If we get back down to earth, the only real choices here are github or continuing bugsnet
 
it's all but straightforward to migrate I think - at least if we want to mirror current bugsnet quality
@NikiC and github sucks for managing a big issue tracker
 
@NikiC agree
 
10:21 AM
@NikiC why? just because of the auth problem, or because we don't know of any other SaaS providers?
 
I'm heavily on the side of migrating away from anything we have to host, maintain, secure, or touch with fingers ... this shouldn't be our problem ...
@bwoebi I think we can make it work, and we're not comparing it to the perfect solution ...
 
it all just feels like "solution-first thinking"
 
@IMSoP Can you provide an example of a tracker you would consider, if it had a SaaS provider?
I just hope I'm not going to hear jira or bugzilla now
 
Mantis has been mentioned; Phabricator has a SaaS version
 
for the love of god, not phabricator
 
10:25 AM
@IMSoP you cannot imagine the suck that is phabricator
 
@JoeWatkins sure, it can work. But their search tooling in issues feels shitty, it has really just two states open and closed… Also I consider it a disadvantage that it provides too easy reachability for other github users TBH.
 
I mean, I haven't actually used their issue tracker, but if it's anything like their code review tooling we do not want to touch that
 
for what reason is it disadvantage, noise ?
 
@JoeWatkins yes
 
if there really is no better option than GH, then fine; I just think the conversation should go "what do we need in a bug tracker, and what's out there?" and GH just be on the list
 
10:27 AM
I can see enough advantages that I'm willing to just ignore that
 
:52133631 The main difference is that github allows us to manage that spam
on bugsnet I just keep deleting a handful of spam comments every day
 
@NikiC it does?
 
yeah, that's true, there's even advantages when it comes to spam ... good point
 
how?
 
you can block them
 
10:29 AM
@bwoebi users can be blocked, and I've never seen any actual link spam on github
Spam on github takes the form of abusive users, not actual spam
 
I wonder if it will kill off whats-his-name... Danacks mortal nemesis
 
@NikiC yeah I was actually only talking about the former. But I was unaware of the blocking possibility
 
@MarkR he's already blocked on github, so yes ;)
 
I think the migration is going to be really painful whatever the target, and doing it twice because we change our minds would be worse, so "GH is just there and easy" could be a huge false economy
 
We would have to somehow survive without his valuable feedback
@IMSoP Migration is indeed the key issue
Though you could ... uh ... not migrate old bugs :P
They're mostly bogus anyway :P
 
10:31 AM
"bugs.php.net has been marked as stale for inactivity [Closed]"
 
yeah, I was thinking about that; but actually deleting them seems like a bad idea, so would we have to host a read-only snapshot?
half the tests in the code base are named after old bug reports, and not being able to look those up ever again would be a pain
 
well ... what if we didn't migrate, but we stopped bugsnet accepting new bugs and ran both for a few months ? and maybe, if we have any ability to notify authors of bugs reported against supported (and specific?) versions we could notify them of the coming change and ask them nicely to re-open if still effected ?
I dunno what migration looks like, but I don't think importing should be part of it
I guess the most important ones are going to hear our call and just come to github ... I'm sure some will slip through the net, but only temporarily ?
 
Writing them out to a static HTML file, shoving them in a repo on github to be able to reference from new bugs?
 
HTML? get with the times, it absolutely has to be Markdown with embedded YAML
I've no idea why, but everyone's always telling me so :P
more seriously, yes, something like that could work; maybe import a subset of recently created issues or something?
 
@JoeWatkins I like that approach to migration, as I suspect there are a few old reports that would be fine to keep archived somewhere... and maybe have a way to just add the URL of the bug on github if someone has copied it over.
 
10:39 AM
well I would hold off on importing, I'd have someone (someone else) write the scripts and test them, but I wouldn't actually do it until we see what kind of response we get from notified reporters ...
if in a few months, nobody came and opened their bug, then we have to do something, but we might be able to get all this work done for free ...
 
of course, not importing anything would give us the nice illusion that the list is manageable and we don't need any advanced search features ;)
 
those people suffering really badly - production is crashing, can't deploy new version - they are watching for whatever we do next
@IMSoP what does github search not do that bugsnet does ?
it's not a totally dumb search feature, there's fancy bits, I don't remember them all, but the internet has a list ...
 
you can mostly do it all with tags
they're just a bit messier than having actual fields like "status" and "component"
 
Guten morgen liebe Leute wie gehts euch
 
@IMSoP status, is:open, is:closed
 
10:43 AM
Hola Joe, como estas?
 
@JoeWatkins tbh, that's just something I'd like a fancy UI or at least some autocompletion for … like there is in youtrack
 
todo bien, con frio y en una reunion
 
@JoeWatkins yeah, to be fair, that probably covers 95% of cases in terms of search; it's not the same as "status" in the sense of most bug trackers, though
 
… you need to know the exact names of your tags, there's no way to define a state field with 5 different values
 
10:49 AM
having search results as a table with columns for each field is handy for weeding through as well
 
@ln-s ya hace calor hoy aqui, mas por venir :)
we shouldn't do this too much, it annoys people @ln-s
 
:)
I get it, how many degrees in celsius now there ?
 
24~
 
@bwoebi I'd never actually read it all ... it's pretty extensive, and I'll probably remember only a small part ... but I might only ever need a small part too
 
10:52 AM
Would call that a nice day
 
sun isn't even high in the sky yet ... it's also not technically summer ...
 
9 degrees here :D
seassons have been shifting at least in the past 15 years
 
I consider that hostile to mammalian life... you should move ...
 
hahaha
 
here it's what I would call summer about 8 months of the year ...
 
10:55 AM
At least I'm not far south (< -10 celsius)
 
(I can ride a motorbike in a t-shirt and not freeze to death)
 
Does the weather changes abruptly tthere ?
here is very abrupt, 2 days ago we had 20 something celsius
it basically goes like this, HOT HOT HOT (Heavy rain) COLD COLD COLD
It fucks me up
 

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