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8:01 PM
@Danack predators don't care about the sustainability of their prey
 
@JoeWatkins They do, when there's nothing left.
 
they'll consume what they must to survive, if that diminishes supplies to unsustainable levels, they adapt and find a new prey ...
 
@JoeWatkins me asking awkward questions might make me feel better even if it results in no change.
 
I'm tired of feeling bitter about it, the answer is ... you be the change ... we are actually a part of the problem ...
 
8:09 PM
I'm channeling Gandhi apparently ...
 
8:22 PM
@JoeWatkins also David Gandy a bit
 
 
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9:52 PM
<3 Evaluate Xpath in phpstorm
(linked to the intellij IDEA version, but it's present in phpstorm as well, have used it several times today while working with XML files)
 
yeh the idea platform is generally awesome for xml
though also visual studio (proper not vscode) has loads of awesome tools as well, as long as you have the patience to install it
ms+java both love their xml :-P
 
phpstorm requires admin access to update on my workstation, so had IT update it to latest specifically for that feature...
and it was worth it (plus was able to take a short tea break)
 
@Tiffany urgh really :-/
 
yarp, but mainly cause I am a problem user and I like the "context menu"
 
jetbrains toolbox might help with that (maybe possibly) because I think it installs to AppData
very not sure about any of that statement tho
 
10:07 PM
"open window from here" is one of my most used features in both phpstorm and git bash
@DaveRandom I'll send a message to our tech, might make him happy... he wanted to figure out a way to put updating in our hands
at least an "official" way that doesn't require him packaging an MSI for us
 
"it's complicated" but essentially if you can put the app executables under the user profile directory then it's a lot easier to give them free reign over that portion of the universe, because everything is forcibly executed under your SID
though also I am a fan just giving "power users" local admin access
with a big fat "if you fuck it up I will send you a sarcastic email and copy the MD in" disclaimer
 
I always had problems with the Jetbrains Toolbox updates to itself
 
not had issues with that but I am always my own god-mode adminstrator
in general it's worked quite well for me though, doesn't get in the way and does what I want more or less when I ask
 
I actually just had to roll back idea because the 2021.1 version is not playing well with maven
 
@CharlesSprayberry :(
 
10:12 PM
<clippy>It sounds like you are using Java. Would you like some of this joint?</clippy>
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@DaveRandom Yes and yes.
I mean... to be honest after spending 5+ years in Rails and JS I'm enjoying the static typing a lot more... but there are nuances of Java I had either never really experience or forgotten.
 
after doing a coding test in Java then diving into C# months later... C# > Java
 
I don't hate Java the language, I hate Java the tool
 
though I am happy with PHP, presently...even with all its faults
 
@DaveRandom Very much this
 
10:14 PM
@DaveRandom how much of that can be blamed on Oracle?
hopefully all of it
 
@Tiffany I would prefer to be coding in PHP at this point tbh
 
the language is more or less fine, it's not as good as C# but you can build readable stuff with it, that's all that really matters
 
The current project is interesting in that everything is Java
Even the frontend code and interactions are written in Java
 
"interesting"
 
@Tiffany some, but I think it's an inevitable consequence of "write once, run anywhere"
 
10:16 PM
@Tiffany After writing a lot of JS not writing any JS is very appealing
 
because "anywhere" it turns out is really fucking complicated, and you basically need to ship the entire universe with your app
 
Flips to the SOchat tab.... sees mentions of Java... flips right tf back
 
XD
 
10:16 PM
I'd prefer to talk about the exciting stuff coming in PHP!
Proper enums sound neat
I tried like 3 different approaches at userland enums
And finally came up with something I don't feel horrible about and then PHP finally gives it to me
 
Thinks coming in 8.1...... uh.... enums, I guess.
 
I also am excited about fibers
Well I had stepped away from PHP for a while so all the stuff in 8 is new to me
 
Oh right. Fibers are a thing now
 
And there's actually quite a bit there to chew on
 
@CharlesSprayberry #MiddleAge
 
10:18 PM
8.0 is packed with new goodness
 
lovin those christmas socks
 
@DaveRandom nice
 
Not saying 8.0 is the best version ever, but... best version ever.
 
@DaveRandom I actually celebrated my new work with a fresh pair of socks
 
socks, rugs and rock & roll
 
10:18 PM
I'm looking forward to when we're live on 8.0...in like two years...
 
I hope my next gig is working with PHP 8
Unfortunately my market is very much dominated by Rails + JS or it swings the other way to Java and C#
I work with an excellent group of people though so that's worth putting up with Java ;)
 
We have a type on our bottom now too. Or a bottom on our types?
 
type on our bottom?
wat
 
Well, it's a bottom type. I assume that means we have a bottom we need to type.
 
bottom types are for clASSifying things
 
10:25 PM
nice
 
nah I could do better, went too soon but it's out there now
something around typeass and typeface maybe
 
as they say, the wine is drawn, it must be drunk
 
the haribo are open, they must be eaten?
 
the seeds are sprouted, they must be planted
 
@DaveRandom #MiddleAge?
 
10:28 PM
The legs are spread, the [REDACTED] must be [REDACTED]
 
urgh ffs I went shopping a bit baked and bought far too much ice cream and the freezer is 3 flights of stairs away
 
I am kind of relieved to see someone put that one out before I typed
 
monster bong rip
 
the legs should probably also be redacted
 
what are you, 80? skirst are fine
 
10:31 PM
what's the bottom type we have now again?
 
they are tall floors as well, climbing that far back up is a big ask
I am not capable of eating ~750ml ben and jerrys in the next half hour though
fine
 
better get walkin' :P
when I go back to my gateron switches on my workstation tomorrow, my fingers are going to be so screwed up, getting used to typing on cherry browns again :S
 
Yea, I really enjoy the cherry browns I currently type on. Was still thinking about adding another keyboard to the collection
 
I mean, it's a stretch, but we could also say that the legs are spread, the race must be started
 
the man is dying, the house must be lowered
I am not unhealthy as well I do stuff, seriously fuck stairs
 
10:40 PM
which part like, the having to work out marginally one, or more generally the concept itself?
the pistol must be fired
yeah, that's what it was supposed to be, to hint correctly at the olympics race starting
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier the way they pretend not to be a ladder but they are just a harder-to-climb ladder
and if you go up them on all 4s as an adult then people you at you weird
 
yeah, when people felix at me weird, it's kinda unsettling
 
I am talking about the very steep stairs in old European buildings btw, obv you would look insane on anything <50 degrees or whatever
@FélixGagnon-Grenier loooool
no I'm not fixing it
 
I hope so you
but yeah I think I've seen a tweet once where multiple tens of thousands of humans we like, "nah climbing stairs on all fours is legit"
 
only when it's the sort of angle where you might think about ropes if it were a hillside
 
10:47 PM
are you at home or a hotel @DaveRandom? since when is your freezer three flights of stairs higher?
 
I am in loft, freezer in cellar
 
ah
 
there is one in the kitchen as well but not with room for 2 ben and jerrys pots :-P
 
@NikiC I built a fun little thing with GitHub Actions that automatically merges PRs based on RFC author reviews, so not everyone needs push access: github.com/kelunik/php-rfcs
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that's a great idea
 
11:01 PM
@Danack That website is quite metal.
s/website/whatever that comic strip is, and the following ones
 
@CraigFrancis the unset literal stuff can't work like that
 
11:31 PM
@JoeWatkins yeah, that might explain a few things, as it seems to have broken something else, I’ll try again tomorrow morning (been staring at it far to much today and should get some sleepy time)... thanks for the heads up though.
 
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