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Wes
12:02 AM
hm
 
@Crell Have you gotten a link for the panel thing tonight?
 
Wes
that works though. i am not sure how good an idea it is anyways
 
@MarkR you'd be surprised.....................
 
Having a stripper burst out of a cake is a surprise... being forced into using RSS is like having a stripper burst out a cake but it's your sister.
 
news industry
RSS can be rather useful for news sites, and being able to consume them is beneficial
I was assigned to a project that does a lot of things, one of which is ingesting RSS/Atom feeds
 
12:14 AM
Don't mind me, I have a pathological hatred of XML :P
 
I've seen some pretty terrible things recently, stuff that was being used as XML but most definitely was not XML
like tags in all caps
shivers
 
Huuuuuuh. Evidently Ramsay made me an admin on phpc.social
 
I signed up for phpc.social, and put "cause Sara Golemon is on here"
 
Wes
xml is case sensitive. so that could be as planned
 
I realized I couldn't comment on your picture with my mastodon.technology account :(
 
Wes
12:23 AM
it is a weird plan though
 
You could have commented from your mastodon.technology account, btw
I mean, yay for having you on both instances, but it's a federated system, they all (mostly) connect.
"mostly" as in, barring whole instances being blocked by certain other nodes.
 
I tried, but it kept redirecting me to phpc.social's login
 
hrmmm, weird
shrug
 
just wish there was a way to clone profiles now
 
There's a thing to move profiles, for sure. Dunno about clone.
The only reason I have multiple accounts is separation of concerns. [General] [PHP specific] [Amateur Radio]
For example though, here's one user replying from masto.tech to a phpc.social post. mastodon.technology/@pearofdoom/105267332130662195
 
12:30 AM
yeah, I was sure it was possible, cause I remember you telling me about that, and I remember seeing other networks in the timeline area. I suspect I just didn't try hard enough and decided "eff it, I'll just sign up for the other platform too"
 
The interface still needs work, in fairness.
 
and it just let me favorite it from my mastodon.technology profile 🙄
so I was shown a cool thing earlier today
 
12:53 AM
If phpstorm doesn't hurry up with 2020.3 they're going to have to rename it 2021.0
I want dem templating hints
 
1:31 AM
hey.science/dumpster-fire send an email, watch it burn
 
That's terribly environmentally unfriendly... but also very cool
 
send an email to announce PHP 8
 
> P.P.S. We're offsetting by 3x every bit of CO2 this creates via Cool Effect.
 
This would be an excellent time for someone in possession of a large cache of stolen CIA documents to email them there, just for irony.
Burn the evidence \o/
 
did you send an email? :P
 
1:44 AM
I tried forwarding an email thread from the attributes renaming discussion but I immediately received a reply back telling me their dumpster wasn't large enough to handle it.
 
maybe send a part of the email (names omitted of course)
that would be funny to watch burn
 
dumpsterception
 
camera is out of focus :(
 
I think im going to leave it up just for the music for bedtime
 
2:25 AM
I can't see shit. I think firefox has outupdated itself again...
ah, no, it was tracking protection (???)
 
 
2 hours later…
4:49 AM
Anyone for a group Among Us right now? We have 4 so far
 
 
4 hours later…
8:34 AM
TypeError: docs says param 4 of sem_get() is bool but PHP says int ・ Documentation problem ・ #80413
 
 
1 hour later…
9:51 AM
@Crell I have no opinion about it, I'm just saying that the speech-to-text thing that I use finds it much harder to understand you than Sara (and Nikita). I don't know why.
 
10:03 AM
@Derick what are you using?
 
otter.ai
 
@Derick the homepage is unclear, does it do live transcriptions?
 
It can do for Zoom meetings, or in a room with its mic listening.
But that's now how I use it so I have no experience.
 
hmm looks like it only supports Zoom
ok :(
still looking for something that will live transcribe my speaker output I guess.
 
My wife uses it on her phone as backup to listen to meetings
and, you can set-up otter.ai's website recording to listen to your (Linux) sound's Monitor interface — that's how I use it
 
10:23 AM
@Derick hm, tell me more. that's live transcription?
 
11:12 AM
yes
it doesn't get everything right in the first go, and doesn't see speaker switches, but it improves the transcript later on
with magic AI stuffâ„¢
 
gotta try it out then
 
I've had decent success with rev.ai which we use for real time transcription of conference speakers. It doesn't have individual speaker detection in real time though AFAIK.
 
11:33 AM
Then again, for the podcast compilation episodes from last week and this week, otter.ai even found the right names of the speakers for each section, without me having to interfere - and that was 10ish different speakers, some of which it had seen only once before
@NikiC The timelib thing is still on my todo list...
 
12:03 PM
@Sara aww :( I go to bed earlier
 
Core was generated by `php-fpm: pool www ・ Reproducible crash ・ #80414
 
@Derick I might try this out for work. Anything to help me understand what people are talking about.
 
12:23 PM
@Sara Dang, was still sleeping. Would be up for a round at a more EU-friendly time
 
!!rfcs
 
:(
 
@PeeHaa are you busy this weekend?
Other than black Friday, obviously
Maybe even Thanksgiving day, since I'm staying home
 
No idea yet
Why?
 
Wanna play Among Us one of those days? :P
 
12:30 PM
Oh yeah. I would be down for that
 
Which day would work best for you and @Ekin? Thursday?
 
!!rfcs
?
No RFCs bug maybe?
 
Possibly
 
12:52 PM
Error page in php.net ・ Documentation problem ・ #80415
 
Morning, all!
 
o/
 
\o
 
o/
 
@Girgias I am kinda sad you didn't announce the results of your RFC in octal notation
 
1:02 PM
I did 33 in favour 0 against O.o
 
0o41 in favour
 
Oh I missread the chat thing
That would have been funny indeed x)
 
@Tiffany I guess tomorrow night could work
 
@Jeeves how the cock does someone know how to generate a backtrace, but doesn't know to give some clue of what code causes it?
 
@Derick Sara will be handling the release tomorrow. I'm in Germany right now waiting for my flight to Brazil. I won't be able to help tomorrow because of timezones/jetlag :(
 
1:09 PM
@GabrielCaruso Pour yourself a glass of something nice as soon as you wake up.
 
@PeeHaa cool :D will have to see who else in r11 is interested
@StatikStasis nudge nudge
@MarkR alcohol or caffeine?
 
That's new, never heard of that :D

I usually tent to stay awake the whole day and sleep only in the night to fix the timezones, but I doubt I'll make it this time, past days have been crazy, I'm tired af haah
 
Well that was more to celebrate the 8.0 release :P personally I find sleep patterns depend more on when waking up than when sleeping
 
I'm writing my celebration email right now to send to internals before my flight. I'm only flying at 21h, so I have plenty of time 😂
 
@Sara Any idea when the "release" will happen tomorrow?
!!rfcs
 
1:25 PM
There are currently no RFCs in voting. We can't have nice things
8
Let me do it manually :P
 
1:43 PM
Email sent. Please don't remove my karma, it won't happen again 😛
 
> I'm writing my celebration email right now to send to internals before my flight.
You wrote two emails right?
 
Tempting fate.
 
@Danack Why would I do that? :p
 
@GabrielCaruso I'ma need you to go outside and spit and curse:
 
Hahahhaha that. okay, I'll write a second email in case anything goes wrong
 
1:49 PM
Missing dll ・ Win32API related ・ #80416
 
Just be sure not to accidentally send it :P you don't want to be the one apologising for the horribly botched launch taking down websites all over the world... the day before it's released.
 
@Jeeves Seems like he is using "old" style ini with the extension suffix?
 
or just using an ini file that tries to load those extensions, but they haven't installed them?
 
They are always there in win builds
 
Hmmm I was thinking of the wrong scene: youtube.com/watch?v=mnQY71Y9J-c ... I guess that's more for RFCs :p
 
1:51 PM
Well at least I know gd is
Oh he is trying to load gd2 instead of gd
 
cmb
yep, that; also xmlrpc has been unbundled
 
Hello. In guzzlehttp ver 7, how can we get a url effective url? If url redirects, getting end url.
 
@misaghahmadi ugh - guzzle. Does this page contain the info: docs.guzzlephp.org/en/7.0/… ?
 
2:24 PM
@Tiffany That would be great!
 
Upgraded from 7.4.6 to 7.4.12 Cronjobs that call PHP scripts hang indefinitely ・ *Web Server problem ・ #80417
 
2:45 PM
@Derick What happens in 15 minutes????
 
2:56 PM
Xdebug 3 release announcement?
 
THE TENSION WAS NEVER HIGHER
 
@Derick Your clock emoji is broken, always shows the same time!
 
Good thing he doesn't do anything related to time!
 
@NikiC There are no emojis for 15 and 1 minutes :-/
 
3:01 PM
@Derick We need new unicode modifiers for clocks
 
Surely you can already combine several things to represent any time on a clock
 
@PeeHaa yes 3:00pm is one example of how to do that.
 
@Danack I don't understand. Can you expain? ;-)
 
github.com/sponsors/Danack feedback on words appreciated. I'm not good at marketing at the best of times, and I might be in a snarky mood.
 
I was thinking combining diacritics, but they works too :P \o/
> I've help people
 
3:07 PM
ta
Is it possible to disable 'approve this PR' for people not in the repo's organization on github?
 
no
unfortunately not
 
@Derick congrats for the release
 
thanks :-)
 
will xdebug 2 have a release working on php 8.0+ or it's only xdebug 3?
 
@Danack aah, so annoying.
 
3:11 PM
@Danack But how else can people "contribute"?!
 
especially if it confuses a new contributor by thinking they got approval from someone maintaining the project
 
pecl install mongodb dumps core at end ・ mongodb ・ #80418
 
@PeeHaa I miss being in a pub, getting drunk and being verbally abusive to people who are not there. Am I an asshole?
 
Neh just British
 
If anyone does have any inroads to product people at github these are my thoughts on why github is not sustainable for opensource long term.
 
3:13 PM
@Danack did you try their contact form?
 
@FlorianMargaine yes. though since being acquired that has gone from being a useful thing to do, to being effectively /dev/null.
 
ah, I haven't tried it since then, indeed
I've tried it a couple of times and had actual answers, but I admit that was before the acquisition
 
And the problem is that Microsoft have a clear goal of making Github be "the platform" that people use, rather than being a tool that can be customised for other projects particular use-case.
@FlorianMargaine same.
aka they know that catering to enterprise is where the money is, not open source.....which is hard to argue against.
 
@FlorianMargaine Only Xdebug 3, but it will support PHP 7.2 to 8.0
 
@Derick cool, thanks
 
3:18 PM
@NikiC Probably right after our panel finishes in my morning.
Possibly during our panel, if I'm feeling sufficiently cheeky
 
@Dharman,@PeeHaa,@Danack have got successfully implemented the prepared statement for my existing project it worked well :)
 
@Danack I'm trying what I've got. Not sure if it'll get anywhere.
 
@FlorianMargaine cool. If you want to point them at me, I can give them more insight on what the current problems are, and what the coming problems are going to be. At the risk of making a prediction about the future, I think people's individual online behaviour is going to continue to get worse, and having things be open (such as bugs.php.net) or github, is going to be unsustainable within not a particularly long time period.
 
@Danack I'll just see if I can send your gist to the product team over there
 
thanks.
 
3:24 PM
we have a bunch of azure TAMs so not super hopeful but we'll see
 
@Danack Hi, am about to start another project so, whether the php framework would be good or the custom project with oops way and prepared statement would be good?
 
@techy-coder for you, either using Symfony or Laravel would probably be a good idea, yes.
 
@Dharman will this be a right framework for future upgrades as well? or as @Danack suggest with symfony or Laravel would be better
 
I suggested a DB library. Danack is right that you should use a frameworkl
 
3:34 PM
@Sara But you're always cheeky, so we know what's going to happen :P
@Sara github.com/php/web-php/pull/350 ready to merge?
@Danack TBH I never felt like that was an issue
 
Gimme a few minutes to review, but prolly
 
GitHub has sufficient control to deal with issues ... unlike, say, the whole php.net infrastructure
Where Mr. R. H. Soft is still spamming the bug tracker
 
@NikiC I'm hoping that one day, open source projects will have funding from people who use that project. At that point, there is monetary incentive to disrupt competing forks of projects. Also......many people in the US, Germany and the UK are on the edge of becoming Q cultists.....and a religious civil war 'might' be slightly disruptive.
 
@Dharman Thanks. Would like to go with Laravel.
@Danack thanks
 
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3:47 PM
@NikiC I'm happy enough with what they've got.
And here's a little something for the release: data:text/html;base64,PGRpdiBpZD0idG0iPjwvZGl2PjxzY3JpcHQ+ZnVuY3Rpb24gdXBkKCl7dmFyIHg9MTYwNjQwNjQwMC0oRGF0ZS5ub3coKS8xMDAwKTt2YXIgaD1NYXRoLmZsb29yKHgvMzYwMCk7dmFyIG09TWF0aC5mbG9vcigoeC1oKjM2MDApLzYwKTt2YXIgcz1NYXRoLmZsb29yKHgtbSo2MC1oKjM2MDApO2RvY3VtZW50LmdldEVsZW1lbnRCeUlkKCd0bScpLmlubmVySFRNTD0oeDwwKT8nR28gd3JpdGUgc29tZSBQSFAnOihoKycgaG91cnMgJyttKycgbWludXRlcyAnK3MrJyBzZWNvbmRzJyk7fXVwZCgpO3dpbmRvdy5zZXRJbnRlcnZhbCh1cGQsMTAwMCk8L3NjcmlwdD4=
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donnie darko like typing detected
 
mornings / evenings
 
4:27 PM
Now I've released xdebug 3.0.0 today, I don't want to do anything else.
 
Wes
lazy mode i am not at my work computer, if amphp's call() returns a promise, both promises will be awaited?
function test(){
    return call(function(){
        // ...
        return $deferred->promise();
    });
}
 
opcache: free memory not reported as free ・ opcache ・ #80419
 
4:48 PM
Sad news Maradona died
 
5:07 PM
Sigh. So I go to do the quick updates for PHP 8 on exceptions, and find that the exceptions page is a mess, and the Errors page is completely missing!
Ah, no, it's just an organizational mess. Oh joy.
 
Yeah, the manual has been decaying a little, I feel.
I need to invest some time in adding documentation as well.
 
... I'm confused. The language/exceptions.xml file has the "extending exceptions" section defined FIRST. But it displays on an entirely separate page. Wha?
And the examples seem to be mixed together.
It also doesn't know about Errors yet. sigh
Right, I'm not rewriting this whole multi-page mess today. Basic updates only.
@Sara It needs a small, dedicated, full time team is what it needs.
 
You happen to know any?
 
loads, but they are dedicated full time to other projects :-P
> It needs a spare small, dedicated, full time team is what it needs.
which is a little bit like the concept of a spare cigarette
 
I wouldn't know from cigarettes...
 
5:21 PM
a spare kidney then
 
lol
 
like yes technically I can lose one, but was planning on using it
 
You've got 2!
 
You got 2 spare kidneys?
 
It might also help if we didn't wait until beta/RC to start documenting a new version. That puts all the effort into a short period of time, long after the work has been done.
 
5:22 PM
@PeeHaa that's why we haven't seen @rdlowrey round for a while
 
:-(
 
he never said they were originally his
 
If we instead made it part of the expectation that the RFC author would include docs along with the PR, we could spread the work out over time and over people more effectively. (With appropriate peer review for consistency and quality, of course.)
 
@PeeHaa I wouldn't worry, last time he turned up he was busy rolling in money and building mad shit, I don't think much has changed
 
@Crell that's raising the barrier of how difficult it is to contribute to PHP code.
 
5:24 PM
maybe it should be a little bit harder, if the alternative is that nothing ever gets documented...
 
doing the boring work of maintaining docs, triaging bugs and all the other stuff that makes the project better, but isn't 'glamorous' could really do with a paid staff that work on it regularly.
 
Admittedly I'm speaking from a substantial bias here, but once you've figured out how to code something in php-src, a vaguely accurate doc PR is trivial by comparison, especially when you can get help on it. Even just a social expectation would help.
But right now, we actively avoid documenting anything until 9 months later. That's counter-productive.
 
@Danack I think bug triage isn't too bad, ever since we added that into Jeeves I think I personally probably end up visiting 30% of the bugs ever created, I don't think there's many that go completely untouched
@Crell ah yeh I'd never thought about it that way, that is indeed dumb
 
@DaveRandom yeah......but still, it's the type of thing that could usefully be done by someone paid to do it, who also improves tools around how to report bugs or make repro cases.....rather than each time it taking away from core dev effort.
 
Had we paid people, much would be different. :-)
 
5:30 PM
I'm not disagreeing with any of that, merely questioning who is signing the paycheck
 
making any funding be for the boring stuff, and possibly not giving those people a vote by default, would avoid any potential problem with money being used to influence the project too much.
 
I hadn't even considered that aspect of it
 
cmb
@Crell that is no longer necessary, since we can have PRs now. We could even branch if required. OTOH, while working on PHP 8 docs, I often find undocumented PHP 7 and earlier stuff.
Or even such gems: php.net/manual/en/pharfileinfo.setcompressedgz.php; that function never made it into php-src, and PECL/phar 1 had its latest release 13 years ago.
 
Delightful...
 
@GabrielCaruso Nice post to internals. :+1:
 
5:37 PM
Are you talking about leaving PHP 8 PRs hanging out all year to merge in July, or actually merging them in advance of a new version?
 
@cmb I'm still unsatisfied with the documentation I made for null coalescing assignment operator, but writing technical documentation is hard. At least there's a mention of it now.
 
cmb
@Crell I don't think we should actually document stuff which hasn't been released. Documentation should ideally be about current PHP version (plus additional info for older versions).
 
@cmb yeh but it should be possible to write those docs and store them in the manual alongside the code
 
Maybe we could mark blocks as only valid in a given version, so they get hidden until we flip a switch?
 
I mean at the same time as writing the code, or at least not 9 months later
 
cmb
5:42 PM
like I said, we can have PRs, and branch if necessary
 
But that has a high probability of merge conflicts if they're left sitting for months.
Keeping them fresh would be extra work.
 
@Crell that's what I was thinking yeh, some kind of "applies to PHP version(s)" attr in the XML
and when release is made the docs are rebuilt according to the current version
 
cmb
I really wouldn't add future stuff to the manual; for instance, there was quite a bit about PHP 6. Also, manual is already confusing for PHP 7 readers; had a bug report today regarding a param type int->bool change.
 
Some doc systems even let you show different doc versions for different code versions. I don't know that Phd would ever let us go that far, but at least marking sections as "draft", essentially, would let us work ahead of time and avoid merge conflicts.
 
cmb
And yes, more work, but probably less than the php-src branches.
 
5:44 PM
@cmb I'm talking about docbook, not putting it live on the internet
 
I hesitate to get into branching until we move docs COMPLETELY off of SVN.
We have that cute little EN mirror on git, but it still lives in SVN and all other languages are SVN only. We need to finish the job.
 
Also, very much that.
 
Being in SVN is a MASSIVE roadblock against contributions.
 
yeh agreed
 
cmb
@DaveRandom ah, okay; if XML only had comments :p
 
5:46 PM
We choose to migrate docs to GIT in this decade, not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
 
I'm thinking like a since="8.1" attribute or something on all elements that gets omitted from the built output, until we flip some build switch and start showing them, but then suppressing since="8.2"
That wouldn't help with everything (I'm rewriting several paragraphs here about exceptions that need it), but it would help with a good chunk of it.
 
@cmb I'm imagining something like <section min-version="8.0"> or something like that, and that section wouldn't appear until 8.0.0 is release
idk I haven't fully thought this out, in case it's not obvious :-P
 
Jinx! You owe ma tea. :-)
 
lulz
"great" minds think alike
 
Although I unfortunately can't find the page that described it in detail right now, the experience of the Mozilla MDN docs is something to be learned from, and also quite depressing. They spent a huge amount of work making those easier to contribute to, and there have apparently been an embarrassingly small number of contributions.
 
cmb
5:49 PM
well, that's certainly possible (we should heed docbook syntax, though), but maybe instead of working ahead, we could also bring the docs up to date.
I'm counting more than 1000 &warn.undocumented.func (and non of these should even be in the docs)
 
But even worse than that...the easier you make it to contribute, the more 'review' and 'curation' work there is. And that work is even more boring that writing the documentation itself, and more emotionally draining, as you have to constantly be polite and encouraging to new contributors.
 
@cmb Porque no los dos?
 
(don't get me wrong, we do need to make it easier to contribute, but that is likely to move the problem rather than solve it.)
 
having a bit of a learning curve is beneficial-ish, in other words
forces people to figure stuff out before they earn the right, and can do a bit of quality control themselves
 
@Danack Most creative works are not crowdsource-able. Both code and docs. This is a fact that goes against OSS dogma though so we rarely admit it.
 
5:52 PM
The git based workflow is a pretty big barrier. The required format is another big barrier. Both of which are archaic.
 
@Tiffany Yes. "You must be this high to ride the ride" is both reasonable and beneficial. Figuring out what the appropriate height is, and how to avoid using it to keep out a specific group for stupid reasons, that's the hard part.
 
I had to turn off my twitter notifications today
 
I wonder why :P
 
Git as a workflow is fine. It's the SVN part that is a problem. And for something this complex, Docbook makes sense even if it does raise the barrier.
(I've been using docbook since 2000.)
 
Girgias made a comment on reddit a while back as to why PHP docs use docbook, and how markdown would be a dramatic step down in functionality that we already have. Changing from docbook is the wrong way to go.
 
5:55 PM
@cmb Do you want me to post PHP 8 Doc PRs here, or just as comments on the task ticket? (Since I can't edit it, you need to update the list either way.)
 
this isn't the one, but it's more concise reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/iu1lf0/…
 
@Crell You can also ping me
Haven't been active as I was updating the FR doc but it's basically up to date now
@Tiffany you don't need to stroke my ego that much :P
 
but you vocalize my thoughts so well!
 
Haha, I do have trouble at times but takes practice
 
@Girgias github.com/php/doc-en/pull/238 - Covers no-var catch and throw expressions.
 
6:03 PM
Done :)
 
Is anyone working on nullsafe yet?
 
Don't think so
 
I'm stuck in a hospital waiting room all day so I've got nothing else to do but work on documentation. :-)
 
@Derick do you list any of your sponsors in the xdebug phpinfo entry?
 
no
 
6:06 PM
you strongly against it, or just not bothered by it?
 
It's going to be outdated soon, and no control over updating it. It's all spammy.
 
@Crell that commit message is glorious
 
Sadly it won't be retained in SVN.
 
Indeed :(
 
Delete SVN, problem solved \o/
 
6:12 PM
git reset --hard HEAD^999999999999999999
 
@Girgias github.com/php/doc-en/pull/239 - Another for the list.
 
done
 
I didn't even see that comment xD
 
I will die on this hill.
 
cmb
IMO it's fine two use two spaces after period for EN.
 
@cmb Great, I'll back out that commit then. :-)
Also, what do you mean about exception handlers?
 
I used to always use two spaces after a period and was a "I will die on this hill" until I was shown that it was a ... I don't know what the word is ... but basically a necessity with typewriters because there was some difficulty with typewriters and the visibility of a period with only one space succeeding it, and so two spaces were used. Typewriters aren't used as frequently now.
 
cmb
php.net/set_exception_handler (if set, exception will be caught even without catch clause)
 
maybe "standard" is the word I'm looking for
 
6:27 PM
@Tiffany That is a myth propagated by haters of double space, actually. There was an article on it I read a few years back.
 
I'm just confused as to why you'd use double spaces tho
 
@cmb Ah, that thing. OK, I can add.
 
cmb
The two spaces are a nice way to distinguish from abbrevs, such as Mr.
 
I like using only one space succeeding a period though, I think it looks better
 
Never done it, that's why I'm learning stuff today lol
 
6:27 PM
Also, I had meant to include a set_error_handler example to convert triggers to exceptions. A few of the comments include that.
 
see, you just used one space!
 
cmb
The double space is/was common in EN and I believe in FR; not in DE, though
 
I find 2 spaces is clearer most of the time.
 
or was that SO chat trimming it?
 
This has. Two spaces. This has several.
 
cmb
6:28 PM
maybe seems so
 
Never seen it in French, but French typographic rules are rather convoluted and complicated
 
Definitely SO.
 
cmb
nope, HTML
 
ah
 
Anything HTML tends to fold it to a single space, which is why people are drifting toward single space conventions. It's due to technical misunderstanding.
 
6:31 PM
experience tells me that it's a willful misunderstanding most of the time, I have tried to explain to people why &nbsp; is almost never the answer to any question and they just don't care
it can't have anything to do with the man standing over them ranting about whitespace variants with the wild-eyed look of a serial killer
 
@cmb What's not PEAR style about it?
Pushed updates for everything to the exception PR. The code format looks the same as the other examples so I left it as is. Going to get lunch now. Back later.
 
cmb
6:57 PM
@Crell see gist.github.com/cmb69/076c484387aee43d4c61b132994d8da9; not quite sure about the class body braces on the same line (Pear CS only mention the opening brace). Actually, I'm fine with the class and function formatting, but I don't like the newline after the closing try brace before the catch.
 
@Tiffany something that doesn't need to be linked here?
 
@Danack fair enough
aaand I can't delete it
1 message moved to Trash can
 
ta
 
@NikiC You have fixed that bug recently, can you mark it as fixed please? @cmb The doc is pending PR but no rush.
Sorry, link didn't paste bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=68383
 
7:24 PM
Wait what, why is auryn now in amphp org? :-D @kelunik ?
 
too many a[a-z]+ repo names :-P
@Dharman if you link the commit(s) that fixed it so I can ref in the comment then I will close it
 
7:42 PM
@DaveRandom I think it's this one: github.com/php/php-src/commit/…
 
@Dharman looks related, commit message doesn't match bug report though afaict
I don't want to link the wrong thing because that will piss someone off in 5 years, and I don't want to not link anything because that will piss me off in 5 minutes
 
Yeah, Nikita fixed it without a bug report.
We can let Nikita do it
 
basically I'm not closing a bug if I can't confirm it's fixed :-P
 
You can run execute the test against the latest build yourself
 
that would require me to install mysql, crucially, and that is a thing which I hope never to do again
:-P
also I don't have a working PHP8 build env to hand, my VM no longer boots because I broke it an not got round to fixing it yet
 
8:10 PM
What's the difference b/n thread safe and non thread safe
trying to download php for windows btw
 
8:37 PM
@bwoebi because we can't add other people on Daniel's repo.
 
8:52 PM
Is strcmp(sapi_module.name, "cli") == 0 the correct way to determine if I'm in the cli sapi for all of minit, rinit, and runtime code? There isn't a #define?
 
@samayo you want thread safe
 
Context is I want to disable an ini setting from being usable from anything other than CLI programs for Imagick.....as threads keep crashing.
 
@Danack I mean... CLI_H...
I don't think there's a proper one though no
also bear in mind that if you are building multiple SAPIs the binary is shared anyway, so it probably doesn't make sense to do compile-time checking for which SAPI is in control
 
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