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Then you have (or had) antibodies, but there are indicatiosn these trail off fairly quickly. But that doesn't mean you can't be immune due to memory-T-cells.
@Alesana There is only anecdotal evidence for that to happen.
I read about one lady who tested positive, then later tested negative, then later tested positive again
Over some 3 months, but she felt sick the whole time
That's what I'd read too. Memory T cells being the main factor in preventing future infections
Probably the "negative" test was a false-positive then. The tests aren't 100% accurate.
@MarkR Yes.
Right.. just weird she had it for so long
There are more and more stories about "long COVID", but it's not well understood.
18:01
I definitely had it. Experienced chest pains that I never felt before.
Was worried there for a bit. Then it went away.
Did you get tested?
No
It just went away.
Too early?
I think I did too. I was out of breath running for a few weeks back in March, for even a 1 km run (and I usually do 10k)
Didn't get tested either, as tests weren't available.
The really tricky part about it is that it is a respiratory AND bloodborne disease. So once it moves from your lungs to your bloodstream, it can do all kinds of seemingly random damage. That's why the symptoms are so varied.
18:02
Yeah to early when everyone still believed it was a flu like.
I don't ever know if I'm sick or not because I regularly feel very shitty and I also take a lot of medicine that would cover up symptoms of a sickness
So I have to be extra careful not to be around anyone
In good news today, Bannon got charged!
@Alesana and wear a mask :-)
Steve Bannon? With what?
Yeah around March for me too and test were not available.
18:04
I've ignored news today so far. I'm taking a few days off work so just relaxing.
Why would someone rich like that? Run a scam to get richer lol
@Derick I don't like masks. They cut off my oxygen so I can't breathe. I was wearing one in walmart and I started hyperventilating because I wasn't getting enough oxygen. Ended up fainting, the ambulance got there pretty quick but they didn't save me in time so I ended up passing away. My family is pretty upset about it.
Nobody likes masks.
(I'm joking btw)
OK, good. I don't like people passing out.
18:05
The story ended with me dying :p
oh, I missed that bit :-þ
I actually really don't mind them at all. I find myself forgetting to take it off when I'm in the house
People who wear gas masks for style are feeling sorely infringed upon as of late.
Are You A Ghost?!
Think about the bank robbers!
I think I need to start making dinner. TTYL!
Is that Bannon or just some Bannon-esque grifters?
18:07
Including Bannon
Lol someone said something along the lines of "I never thought that you would ever be required to wear a mask when you go to a bank."
that was for you @Crell
Trumps next
get he leaves office this year.
18:08
@Crell The funny thing is that it was the Post Office that got them there :-)
@SalOrozco I doubt it :(
Under normal circumstances, you don't mess with USPS. They have their own police and you don't mess with them.
Muller refused to charge him with anything because he is the president.
I don't think it's a given Trump is a one term president.
U still think he might win
18:10
He's already started saying he should get a 3rd term because people were so mean to him in his first term.

He is 100% serious. Believe him.
It is likely he could pull it off.
Trump's just the biggest troll.
@SalOrozco The GOP isn't even pretending that they're planning for a fair election. They've said openly their goal is to steal it. The only question is whether they'll manage to steal it effectively.
Say whatever just to get a rise out of people.
You are right.
Is out in the open. Since no one did anything about Russia helping him last time.
18:11
@GabrielCaruso Do those tests run on an original Pentium? :-)
I have no idea. Maybe @Sjon knows
Alright. Who wants to start a YouTube channel with me?
"Drunk History of Tech"
I don't drink, otherwise...
Somebody has to play out the story.
I'm not legally allowed to drink
18:16
drinking gives me a migraine, unless it has fruit juice
Too young or Muslim country?
@GabrielCaruso I feel like there's a story there.... for another time.
The Netherlands isn't a Muslim country last I checked.
Or was it Germany
I forget already
@Sara Depends where you are in the country and who you ask :P
@Sara :p
Only thing that I know here in the NL is that you can't drink on the streets
@GabrielCaruso You can in Denmark and you can do it at any age too even
unless its explicitly written by a sign in a city zone that you are not allowed to drink publically, which is very rare
there is only laws for purchasing alcohol, not consuming it ;-)
18:21
That's nice :D
I'm 22, so even in the States I can drink now
I learned something new and useful right now
there is a constraint in SQL named check .. very useful to avoid inserting non-expected data in the database
Eh. Dutch, Deutsch... same diff.
@Sara You miss Danish there. Most people I meet from the States thinks I speak Dutch :(
Awaits Norwegian joke from @Derick about Danish
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@GabrielCaruso var_dump() uses serialize_precision like var_export() now, see 3v4l.org/YIasf
18:45
@cmb Thanks for sharing the reason behind this change :)
Why if(true) class Foo {} is not allowed but if (true) { class Foo {} } is?
Oh, ok in brackets there can be statements while without them only expr
IMHO that behaviour is odd
Has anyone ever gotten any refurbished laptops from Apple? It looks like they're much much cheaper and have a one year warranty. I'm wondering if there's any downsides
One of the reasons I don't buy apple computers.
Yeah I understand that, but I would get a protection plan with Apple anyways
Yeah definitely get insurance.
19:08
@brzuchal no, there's a distinction between statement, inner statement and top level statement
statement can be applied in if() ...;, inner statement requires an actual block and top level statement needs to be at the very top level, not within any block
and classes are such inner statements
@brzuchal to be more precise, to be acceptable within if(...) without brackets, your statements needs to be semicolon terminated
and declarations aren't
@bwoebi Not necessarily. 3v4l.org/o4FJLa
19:33
Hi... Can anyone tell me when are exception thrown in PHP.
For example when is 'BadFunctionCallException' called ?
it isn't afaik, not by the engine
the engine (mostly) throws instances of Error rather than Exception
19:49
@IluTov yeah, that's why the dangling else issue exists…
but as a rule of thumb for declarative statements
20:10
@user123456789 That question is very vague, SPL exception are only thrown within SPL and it's not really part of the Engine
The engine will or throw Error (TypeError and co) or emit Warnings/Notices
Probably using a library or framework that is throwing exceptions
Is there an example or something when 'BadFunctionCallException' is thrown ?
or any exception
You can probably find one by googling...
I keep getting how to throw an exception, try, catch throw etc. Probably because I am missing a related keyword while searching.
@user123456789 Looking at php-src, it looks like that exception is declared but never thrown. github.com/php/php-src/… But you should be able to see in the stacktrace where it is thrown.
@user123456789 E.g. here. You can see what file/line throws the exception (Uncaught BadFunctionCallException in yourfile.php:9)
20:30
@IluTov So PHP does not implicitly throw any exception, we have to do that ?
@user123456789 PHP usually throws errors (errors and exceptions are pretty much the same thing). Both can be caught with try 3v4l.org/2kZBk
But that BadFunctionCallException you're getting is probably thrown by some library since PHP itself never throws it.
Okay! Thank You (and everyone who contributed as well).
@user123456789 No problem :)
 
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22:16
OK, php-src newbie question. I'm looking at what I think is the source for array_diff_*() in array.c. It looks like all of the array_diff_*() functions fold into a single C function, I think. But the parameter name is nowhere to be found. There is no array1, array2, etc. So... where are those defined? They must exist somewhere since there are tests for them, but... where?
I see basic_functions.stub.php, which has them there. Is that it?
(Context: I want to rename them to something more logical in preparation for named params.)
@Crell yes… and the arg names are generated then into the respective *_arginfo.h files from that stub
So if I want to rename them, start with the stub file and then update the tests accordingly?
And let a fresh make run regenerate the rest?
22:32
@Crell Update the stubs, make test, then you can use the test blessing script which should update them
Test blessing script?
scripts/dev/bless_tests.php
It should update the tests from the diffs generated by the previous make test
Interesting. I shall try. If I remember the right make commands. :-)
make test TESTS="ext/standard/tests/array" should be the one for the array functions
@Girgias Lol, a little embarrassing I'm just learning about that now xD
22:42
Oh this is fun. Why isn't it compiling cleanly?
@IluTov Haha :') I don't use it that much because I introduce Errors so I need to edit the tests anyway
I'm getting a compile error in pcre2lib.
@Crell How long has it been that you've recompiled?
@Girgias Does it work well? Like does it keep existing %s placeholders?
@IluTov Yeah, it's pretty smart!
22:44
@MateKocsis Nice :) Now just gotta remember that it exists for next time ^^
@Girgias A few months. I just did a git pull and make clean to refresh.
Finally managed to get Windows to compile with my "Better C API" PR o/
@Crell Yeah, probably some definitions changed, I did a couple of things which needed a clean compile
But shouldn't a make clean have already solved that? Or do I need new dependency dev packages?
(I do so hate C...)
Well sometimes the build dependencies change
So
./buildconf
./configure --disable-all --enable-debug (or whatever extension you want to build)
is what I usually do
I think I just need standard, but is there a reason to not just compile everything for later? I presume that means I need to re-configure if I work on anything not in core/standard then, yes?
Though I suppose given how "make clean" happy I am...
22:55
I mean you can, main reason I do it is I only can compile up to -j4 and that's using all resources so usually I only compile on 2 cores
Oh good. --enable-standard not recognized. :-)
I think this is only a dual core system.
No, wait, it's quad.
standard is always enabled
standard, reflection, hash, JSON, PCRE, SPL and Date are always enabled as of PHP 8.0
Ah, ok.
Well, that worked. Running array tests now.
Huh. Along the way I picked up a lot of ext/iconv header files.
23:12
Ah yes, Nikita removed the weird cruft of iconv header and buildconf thing, but seems liek git doesn't remove them
You can safely remove those
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23:30
After hunting a 1.5 MiB memory regression in ddtrace, it appears that the cause is that I deleted some PHP code. Yes, by deleting some PHP code I somehow use 1.5 MiB more memory.
There's technically a tiny bit of room in the bisect for it to be something else, but if it is something else it's also obscure...
To be clear, it's pure deletions of dead code, code that isn't run.
23:51
Sounds like you're having fun.
How long do PR tests take to run, typically?
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