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1:09 AM
> There's very little I'm sure about when it comes to the future of PHP, but
one of the things I can state with some degree of conviction is that we
will never introduce type-based method overloading.
Very well put, Nikita.
 
1:24 AM
A very relevant article about JavaScript's JIT optimizations and how they are un-ergonomic: abe-winter.github.io/2020/03/28/jitu-brutus.html.
Maybe annotations can be used for such things, if we get them:
> I don’t know how to do these things in javascript:

Know if a function is being optimized in a given run
Know if a function will be optimized in prod
Statically require that a function will be optimized in prod
Get notified about deopts in hot paths
 
 
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4:57 AM
Handling signed char on Big endian arch ・ EXIF related ・ #79430
 
5:52 AM
make command fails on Big endian arch ・ Compile Warning ・ #79431
 
user8651493
why when i sent angular http request it returns the get values but it doesn't return $_POST['send'] variable
 
user8651493
i mean in javascript a post request returns response but in angular httpclient post request it doesnt
 
6:19 AM
hello
title=' <a href="javascript: likes(1,"xxx",0)"> '
is there a way to achieve this?
 
7:14 AM
/mnt/d/work/fuzz/php-src/ext/spl/php_spl.c:401: void zif_spl_autoload_call(zend ・ SPL related ・ #79432
 
cmb
8:11 AM
\o
 
o/
 
8:35 AM
Madainn mhath!
 
8:59 AM
I want to search in phpstorm (ctrl + shift + f) for regex \$_SESSION\[['"] But I dont want get results with $_SESSION['language'] is there a way to exclude this it will save me ton of time
 
@luffy Did you try adding (?!language) at the end?
 
@NikiC Like this: \$_SESSION[['"]?!language ?
 
@luffy \$_SESSION\[['"](?!language)
No idea if it actually works, I don't know what regex dialect phpstorm uses
 
@NikiC that is what I needed thanks a lot
 
 
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10:39 AM
is this a bug in laravel?
 
@MartinAJ why bug?
 
@MartinAJ looks like it
 
moin
 
@beberlei $status vs $code
 
@beberlei undefined variable
 
10:43 AM
is it just me or does $this->response->assert...() also look highly suspicious?
 
oh woah, didn't seee this :)
 
almost looks as if the code being tested is the test framework...
 
i also use assertions in my production code that throw exceptions if not true
 
sure, but presumably via assert() rather than putting random assertion methods in the public API :-P
 
its similar to assert() though
we use assert() mostly to make phpstorm and psalm type inference happy :) assert($value instanceof Value);
 
10:47 AM
hello
i have one doubt
can anybody clarify it please it is related to wordpress
 
Update sqlite3 to support generated columns (3.31) ・ PDO SQLite ・ #79433
 
@beberlei one of the things I really want, probably the thing I most want, about annotations is the potential for things other than assert() to be skipped over (i.e. #ifdef DEBUG type stuff)
> Don't ask to ask, just ask.
 
@DaveRandom yeah, especially for these if (PHP_VERSION_ID < 71000) function foo() {} polyfill things for example
 
i have organisation custom post type and normal wordpress post. how can i display post custom fields into custom post type and custom taxonmies
@DaveRandom
 
First result from Googling "how can i display post custom fields into custom post type and custom taxonmies"...
 
10:52 AM
@DaveRandom i mean wordpress normal post custom fields into custom post typle
 
I'm afraid I don't know anything about wordpress
or nothing useful/constructive at any rate
 
how can i attach images to explain
any wordpress developer help me
can any one expert in wordpress coding
 
11:49 AM
@MátéKocsis How would you feel about moving our conversation to github? I think some people on internals aren't aware how many redrafts are done for RFCs normally, and continuing our conversation there might make it easier for them to see.
@LeviMorrison I'm going to start collecting projects to benchmark to test the JIT performance. please ping me with any you find, or related articles, or add them to github.com/Danack/RfcCodex/blob/master/jit_testing.md
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12:12 PM
ping @NikiC
 
@Danack pong
 
12:27 PM
1 message moved to Trash can
 
12:53 PM
@PeeHaa Happy belated birthday, hope it was shit
 
@Jimbo did you solve your docker speed problem?
 
@Danack It's the fact that RUN go build . is taking most of the time, as it has to build whenever a .go file changes. Nothing around that. But wish there was something else I could do. I did use .dockerignore to ignore all unrelated files and that did help by a few seconds, but it's still taking 15 seconds to build in a docker container and 2 seconds on my local machine
 
@Jimbo can you do the building in a directory that isn't hosted from the host machine? And yeah...docker file system performance is annoying...
 
> in a directory that isn't hosted from the host machine
eh?
 
a non-mounted directory.
volumes:
  - .:/var/app
 
1:04 PM
Hmm I don't think I'm building in a mounted directory...
 
so for me, outside of /var/app
 
There's no app volume for me
In my docker file I copy the files first and then do the build in there
I don't get the built file on my Mac, so isn't a volume
Ah I also used buildkit which shaved a few seconds
 
@Danack I'm fine with moving to GitHub. You mean the php/php-rfcs repo, right?
Uh, I'm looking forward to the JIT results! :)
What about benchmarking DI containers or static analysis tools?
 
@MátéKocsis I think actually a separate place. The reason for that is to make it so that people can create their own repo more easily, and also means that they can restrict who they interact with.
As some people are just twats, and having everything be open is not always desired.
 
@Jimbo <3
 
1:25 PM
@NikiC while you are having a look at the mbstring extension, and in regards to the mbstring.internal_encoding INI setting, shouldn't we get rid of it? It's been deprecated since 5.6 (same for Intl extensions IIRC)
 
@Girgias Maybe...
The problem is that the global internal_encoding did not fully work until 7.4
 
Eeeee, should I bring it up on Internals?
Because that would solve some issues ...
 
We can probably drop it though... I mean, people must already be using workarounds for the stuff that doesn't work
Unless ... we probably also suppress startup errors by default
@MátéKocsis I just noticed that we don't include nullability in zpp errors for internal functions...
So it say must be of type string rather than must be of type ?string and similar
 
We do what? Suppressing start up error?! gasp
 
@Girgias display_startup_errors :)
 
1:33 PM
@NikiC Are you talking about the stuff you wanted to deprecate in github.com/php/php-src/pull/4227 ?
 
Though it's not so much suppress as not display. Only really relevant on CLI, otherwise you'd still see it in the error log
@MátéKocsis No, I mean the case where the argument is actually nullable (with !)
 
Oh, I see
 
@NikiC Everyday I work on php-src and discover new features in PHP I stir further away from the light of sanity
 
I'll look into it later
 
@Girgias you should have known when you started working on php insane laughter i am already exposed to this for 21 years, still (mostly!) sane!
 
1:37 PM
@beberlei well I only started because I had nothing to do last year with my life... I mean I suppose making the language a tad saner is better than letting it be :|
 
@Danack In my opinion the mixed type isn't worth its repo :D So I'd prefer a more general place for the topic. Nevertheless, any solution works for me :)
 
@Girgias you did wonders from my pov, so thanks :D
 
@Danack BTW, yesterday I pimped up the implementation so I think it now implements what we want :)
 
Reality matches expectations. Fantastic.
 
@beberlei I'm actually surprised by that statement, in which ways?
 
1:39 PM
@Girgias all the maintenance work on arginfos, value errors, etc etc
 
Ah, I didn't do much of the arginfos ^^ but yeah the Value errors is what people will hate me for :')
 
haha :D
 
@Girgias Feel free to blame me for adding ValueError... I'll happily ignore the haters. :-)
 
@salathe haha will do if it ever gets to that point :p
 
I was wondering the other day if it would make sense at some point to deprecate passing more arguments to functions than the number of parameters? Internal functions don't allow to do so
 
1:45 PM
that is surprisingly contentious.
Also, you might want to start with saying the exact problem that it would fix.
 
Yeah, I know :)
 
@Danack wasn't that something necessary before we had actual built in variadics?
 
I guess.
 
I haven't thought about this too much yet (exactly because I wasn't sure if the idea was accepted well), but so far the only advantage I see is a bit more consistency :) Probably some bugs could be prevented too
 
$args = func_get_args();
 
1:51 PM
Nov 12 '15 at 14:28, by Danack
"it's about... consistency" - I'll take things that aren't actually that valuable for $600 Alex.
 
Things that aren't valuable if you don't have them, but very valuable if you do...
 
Amen, @ircmaxell. Also, hi there!
 
/me waves
 
2:23 PM
*tries to wave back, but topples over*
 
@ircmaxell Economy doesn't work that way.
 
@Tpojka what I mean is, if you are inconsistent, almost no efforts to improve consistency are valuable in increments (meaning the increment itself isn't valuable). Only the end game of consistent is valuable. Partial consistency can provide value, but only if that partial consistent area is well defined and has clear boundaries
 
I can't agree more agree. I am big big fan of consistency in work and can see at beginning if something would be technical debt or any other debt caused by inconsistency. Maybe it is too brave to say "I can see" but sometimes I spend lot of time just for setting good names/naming convention than it should be needed to spend for that as you called "partial consistent area" trying to get most rationalized/generic rule for sake of wider picture.
My previous comment was falsy generic economy rule (more like joke), though.
 
Don't get me wrong, I think consistency is hugely important as an overall concept. Just saying by itself incremental gains aren't valuable. :)
 
am I crazy or does forward dst change behave different than backward dst change?
(sorry for all that naming/casing inconsistency, somewhat copy pasta'd pieces)
 
2:42 PM
Did Travis decide to go on vacation? It's not running on the PRs anymore it seems
 
@Ekin Yes, sort of.
@Ekin I think it's mostly a bug though, but a really complicated one
 
I see, well I might start suspecting this miiight be the issue I've been debugging a piece of code that keeps failing for a long while
 
I think the whole concept of timezones is a bug in reality, is the real problem
DST doubly so
 
We should have adopted that swatch beat thing back then :P
 
@Girgias Welcome to the club.
 
2:48 PM
Thank you thank you
 
@pmmaga I have found an effective bug fix for such times when reality is on the blink
 
that looks very effective indeed
 
it comes with free existential paranoia and a lasting sense of general malaise. Really does the trick.
 
If it would be all whisky, it could have been my flat
 
3:28 PM
hello i have small doubt about custom post type can any guide me
 
@DaveRandom If all those bottles had a nice brown tinge from being barrel-aged, that would look like my plan for the coming months.
 
I don't think barrel aged vodka is a thing
"bath-tub aged for 4 days"
 
Hah, no I don't think so.
I'm not much for vodka. I think I bought a bottle 10 years ago that's still half-full.
I'm more of a whiskey and tequila man.
 
Oh god yeh, awful stuff
The point at which vodka seems like a good idea is the point at which you should stop drinking
most of my experiences of it involve vodka/red bull in a nightclub at >=2am
 
I used it for a few screwdrivers, but that's it.
Suppose I could make hand sanitizer now.
 
3:54 PM
PHP 7.3 and PHP-7.4 crash with NULL-pointer dereference on !CS constant ・ Variables related ・ #79434
property assignment via call_user_func is inconsistent ・ Scripting Engine problem ・ #79435
 
4:27 PM
@Trowski I love how people call it a screwdriver to make it sound like more than what it actually is: mixing the most alcoholic thing in the house with the first thing that came to hand
 
@DaveRandom Which pretty much sums up why I still have half the bottle.
 
...because you keep plenty of more alcoholic things in stock?
 
Because just adding alcohol to things doesn't automatically make it better. Orange juice being one of those things IMO.
 
uhhh yes it does
:P
 
no I'm with him, literally adding just alcohol (i.e. vodka) is not an improvement
basically makes it taste like off orange juice
 
4:38 PM
Screwdriver is one of the few alcoholic things I can drink without inducing a migraine
 
try tequila ice cream :P any kind of it... good with strawberry as well as an actual margarita ice cream.
 
Basically any alcohol plus fruit juice, I can drink as many as I want
 
tell that to me the morning after
I'm all about the zombie if I'm drinking cocktails
or a classic long island as well, which is somehow more than 100% abv afaict
there's a tiki bar in manchester where the do the best zombies, albeit something of a fire hazard
almost offsets the drag factor of being in a tiki bar with music so loud you can't hear yourself think
 
@Trowski Vodka is great as a cleaning product.
@Trowski Vodka isn't strong enough as a hand sanitizer. It needs to be ~65% ABV
 
well, that's my productivity over then
 
4:44 PM
@Ekin Adding tequila to things does make them better.
 
<adds tequila to mug of tea> true story
genuinely the biggest drag about this whole quarantine thing is having the willpower to not be half cut by lunch every day
 
whistles something about legalization ... but that's only for the weekend or evenings ... it's still morning here
 
@Derick It's not even useful for that for the same reason it's not useful for hand sanitizer – too much water in it.
 
Just get cleaning vinegar... if you can find it, it's cheaper and thorough
 
I buy 91% isopropanol. Cheap and effective.
 
4:49 PM
yes, I love to finish the evening with a nice cleaning vinegar chaser
 
@Trowski I need to restock...
 
@Trowski I'm not sure drinking that stuff is a good idea... /s
 
var_export changes, really.
 
cmb
speaking of aesthetics: 3v4l.org/lbN6f ;)
 
It's there for a reason - who cares how it looks like. Only thing that matters is whether PHP can parse it.
 
4:57 PM
@Danack So I once wrote "Cleaning Only" on a bottle of isopropanol because I was using another for photo lenses and I didn't want to mix them up. I happened to set it on my bar. My friend comes over later and picks up the bottle and says "If you have to remind yourself of this, you might have an alcohol problem."
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cmb
@Derick I meant why bother with array()/[] when there are more unpleasant issues. (I don't mind how it looks tbh)
 
I'm trying to draft something like:
 
Yes, a week or a bit more ago
 
### Non beneficial changes

Similar to the attitude of 'small ratio of reward to work', there is a separate phenomenon where the current maintainers think that the RFC provides no value, so no matter how little work it is, they still don't want to make that change.
if you can think of past examples of that, I'd love to include some examples that don't cause immediate drama.
 
@Danack conversely, I am sure it's a good idea
 
5:04 PM
The array / [] thing just needs a set of bitmask flags throwing at it. For example STOP_PUTTING_COMPLETELY_REDUNDANT_INTEGER_INDEXES_IN_A_PACKED_ARRAY_DUMP
 
@Danack Deprecating {} for strings and arrays (although that did pass)
 
thanks.
 
@Danack I would tentatively slide scalar types into that category, I feel like there were several years of banging heads against that particular wall before there was any movement
E_SUBJECTIVE to some extent though
 
but they provide an extra feature/function - changing var_export output does neither
so it's a different category
 
@DaveRandom No, that's a good one......and it helps with another point I make at the end of the doc. That attitudes change over time.
pretty sure people's experience of static type checkers being useful tools made several changes in people's attitude.
 
5:19 PM
@Derick mmm... there's definitely a difference, in that there is genuinely little/no objective gain vs. obvious gain but sizeable paradigm shift
I know I have had valid var_export() uses in the past but also right now I can't think of a single one...
 
I used it extensively when I was dumping data to migrate over to another system. I would have used JSON but using var_export and then doing some find/replace hacks let me reference things like class constants by name that would update if I re-factored them etc
 
5:42 PM
Is it just me, or is Internals var_export thread totally a event right now?
 
cmb
well, it's the most important decision to be made – ever!!!
 
@Machavity I just sent my last mail on it.
 
my mail client decided that that one is spam. Some internals threads end up there and others don't.. not sure what's the criteria
 
5:59 PM
Do you use a service like gmail or office365?
 
gmail yeah
if enough people subscribe to internals but then decide to mark them as spam, I guess that does it
 
@pmmaga that is a sub-optimal solution. Avoiding discussion like that from taking anyone's time would be better.
 
If you mark them as not spam in Gmail it should learn quickly enough
 
@Machavity Yeah, I do that when I find them. But some still end up there
@Danack I don't do that. I'm just assuming that it marks it as spam for me because of other people doing it
 
I always assumed that only put weight on the domain and things like if it was signed or not, rather than affecting individual email addresses for a particular domain name.
 
6:14 PM
@Danack did you see my message about linking to the taint RFC?
 
That's my bet. Because the email is coming from lists.php.net, and not everyone has a php.net address, it's probably failing a SPF and/or DKIM check
 
My php.net email address is added under Gmail, but I'm not subscribed to internals, so I don't have a spam issue. I dunno if having the php.net email under Gmail would make a difference.
 
6:45 PM
SPF works on an "authorized sender" model. You tell the Internet what IP addresses you authorize to send email. lists.php.net is authorized to send on behalf of php.net, but not, say, gmail.com
So Chase Peeler (using a gmail.com address) gets a SPF fail. But because the mail server at work does try to learn, it notes that Chase's emails are similar to others I haven't flagged as spam
 
I see, thanks for clarifying
 
As always, YMMV. Gmail seems a bit more personalized, but it does globally learn too
 
7:03 PM
gmail's spam filter is basically magic
I see a spam email maybe once a year (out of a couple of hundred a day, on average) and looking through the first 100 currently in my spam box there are zero false positives
spf is basically useless though, apart from anything else it's trivial to circumvent with DNS poisoning, which itself is (currently) fairly trivial to execute
<insert rant about email not being fit for any purpose whatsoever here>
 
SPF is useful (a lot of spammers have had to give up for that reason), but it has its limits. My church has somehow misconfigured theirs so the youth leader's emails were being sent to spam for 6 months until I noticed I hadn't gotten one
 
the frustrating thing is that it could be so much better with relatively little effort, PGP would solve an awful lot of problems if there was a way to use it that doesn't require a doctorate in comp-sci
@Machavity well yeh that's sort of my point about not-fit-for-purpose, the fact that spf is little better than putting a "no hawkers or traders" sign in your front porch is a drop in the ocean, it only covers a tiny tiny portion of the smallest crack radiating from a gaping hole through which water is rushing at an alarming rate
the system was designed in the long long ago, before the internet, when the only people with any interest in the system were superhuman tech nerds who implicitly trusted each other
 
It's true, but I mean it's better from a "Spamassassin is sometimes crazy" standpoint (I do not miss doing in-house email at all)
 
it's passive at every step with zero baked in auth/auth and no reliable feedback
 
PGP just lacks a generally accepted method of use. It's arcane and not enough people use it to make it worth your while
Either that, or people think PGP is the prequel to PHP
 
7:15 PM
@Machavity oh right, let's just not bother with anything at all then :-P
you're not wrong tbf
 
Declaring Array Index ・ PHP Language Specification ・ #79436
 
but it is nevertheless a box of lego that contains all the correct pieces for building the thing on the front of the box
we just need to write some proper instructions and remove all the M-tron/monorail pieces that don't belong with this set
similarly I think that we (as a society) could make an awful lot better use of client-side X.509 credentials
 
I'm still waiting for LetsEncrypt to start offering free certs for S/MIME to kickstart that whole shit sandwich
 
you could eliminate 99% of the social poison on the internet overnight if there was some sort of cost attached to being a dick - and requiring signatures with a trust chain where certs cost a nominal amount of real-world money (say $5/2 years) would go a long way to doing that
you can have one for free if it's verified in a way that makes you traceable irl
anonymous ones cost a small amount
 
Technical solutions don't solve social problems.
 
7:22 PM
agree, but there are reasonable, practical technical things that can be done to curb the "internet is anonymous so I can do wtf I want" crowd
 
I'd be fine with a cheap cert even
but "we only sell 500 at a time for $50 a year" is fucking ridiculous
 
if you were irl traceable, or it would cost you money, to say a shitty troll thing on twitter, almost all of it would go away
(imho, ymmv, etc etc)
@Stephen yeh it needs to be accessible to everyone, definitely
and anonymity is an important thing that needs to be retained
 
"we could offer you individual ones if you also ordered an EV cert" is like a kick in the teeth too, particularly now
 
@DaveRandom Twitter has proven this to be false. I'm amazed at the people posting caustic and destructive things under their real name
 
right, I don't think I care about people on twitter saying stupid shit
I'm more interested in S/MIME becoming common enough that e.g. banks would fucking use it
"do you want email from your bank?" Y/N
if (y) we will end you encrypted email
 
7:26 PM
@Machavity to an extent, yes, but a lot of that falls into "the other 1%" and I suspect that a lot of that would go away if there was basically a phone book you could look people up in
E_CONJECTURE though
 
or even fucking signed email would be enough
 
I trust whatsapp a shitload more than I trust email, which is sad (in a way)
@Stephen banks in particular need to just stop using email
and tbf a lot of them largely have, in the UK at least
 
meanwhile, I spent this afternoon/evening writing a ~470 line patch.php script to fix the absolute abortion of a product a client relies on for their mailing list. I feel like I accomplished something and dirty all at the same time
what do they use instead
 
depends what for
 
just how many automated string replacements of shit in someone else's code before you take a drink
... well the shit they normally email for I guess
e.g. my business bank emails if I log on (mostly useless as it requires a hardware token anyway) but then also sends messages about outgoing transactions I've scheduled
 
7:30 PM
...which disappear into the avalanche of other utter shite that you also don't read, presumably
 
I personally don't really need them (and can't turn them off) but I'm positive some people rely on that little confirmation
well the logon ones I just delete
 
(which is not a problem unique to email, I concede)
 
the transfer ones I hit archive on.
 
> and can't turn them off
that's a massive problem right there
basically an "everything's OK" alarm
 
believe me there are bigger problems with my interactions with said bank before " I can't turn off your emails" even gets a look in
 
7:32 PM
...change bank? :-P
 
at the time we set it up, this was actually one of the better ones here.
 
where is "here", out of interest?
 
Thailand.
 
ah right yeh I have zero experience there :-P
although do HSBC trade there as a high street bank? their stuff in the UK is decent
or barclays actually, who also get it largely right
I'm not sure how regional stuff like that would be though
 
we ended up with them because they would allow opening a USD account in the local province branch (the first bank we tried would only do it at the head office branch in BKK, and required a trip to that same branch to make any kind of transfers out of it (including just transferring to a THB account in the same company name).
 
7:35 PM
ugh right yeh
 
so we ended up with who we did, who still required a trip to the branch to transfer USD to THB, and they estimate it'd be a ~2 hour process each time
 
I mean that all sounds familiar tbf, but familiar 15-20 years ago
 
suffice to say I gave up the idea of a USD account at that point and just let them (or Transferwise now) handle the FX automatically
yeah I spoke with an accountant friend back in AU and he laughed his ass off when he heard about it
it's a weird scenario
it's not as ass backwards as US banking, with physical cheque's (although we do have - and can't choose to not have - a never used cheque book) used all over the place
but it's still pretty ass backwards
and as for your Q
HSBC is here a little bit but not much
and I've never once seen a barclays
ok im off to scrub myself of the memories of terrible code.
 
7:52 PM
Hey anyone know if its possible to have a session persist even if a browser is closed?
 
@Girgias I got my museum built on the first day Blathers arrived :D
@Omiinahellcat save it in a cookie
 
@Omiinahellcat You probably might want to explain why as it sounds like an excellent xy problem
 
@Tiffany yes. I will add it at some point. and made an issue to remind myself. But right now trying to avoid drama.
 
8:08 PM
I have a multipage form which starts a session once a user enters a formID and only unsets the session once they reach a certain page... Works perfectly on my localhost but when uploading the code to my companies server, for some reason session is randomly getting unset even though the browser is not being closed. I'm assuming there is something going on within the server.
So honestly my question is how to keep session persistent no matter what happens until lets say 8hours has passed by.
I will try out cookies
 
ini setting is different on dev versus prod?
 
We dont have ini file surprisingly...
Could I use ini_set()?
 
it would be where PHP is installed
not in your webroot
 
@Tiffany I think most of us did that because it's pretty easy to get another 15 insects/fish which you didn't donate beforehand
 
@Girgias yeah, it is, plus once I got vaulting pole, I found like three or four fossils
also expanded my inventory :D
 
8:13 PM
Ah yes the faulting pole
 
...I blame you for getting me hooked on this
 
Finally being able to explore half of your island
You can :')
 
going to hit up the spider island for bells... I guess I can get 8000 bells for a tarantula o_o
 
Oh I haven't done that
But yeah that's a good way to get bells
 
Ok, found the php.ini file
 
8:21 PM
looks like this has more relevant information regarding sessions php.net/manual/en/session.security.ini.php
 
Ok thanks :)
 
8:35 PM
@Girgias I was wrong, I thought the first nook mile ticket would let me pick the island I could travel to, instead it's mystery island. But, I am glad I expanded my inventory beforehand :D
 
@Tiffany yeah it's always random
Also that tarantula island is only in the evening from what I heard
 
so i have to wait a few hours
 
8:58 PM
> Bellbottom salsa, this is stovetop encyclopedia
 
does anyone have the ability to the behaviour of a CAA-compliant SSL cert authority other than letsencrypt?
specifically, can someone test whether another CA would be prepared to issue a cert for localhost.room11.org+foo.localhost.room11.org
I created a CAA record with no issue tag for localhost.@, in theory that should remove the restriction imposed by the CAA record for @, but it's not clear whether real world impls actually behave like that
/cc @PeeHaa in particular ^
can do the needful if there's some sort of domain verification required, don't want/need a cert though so not after anything that costs money
oh also side note @Trowski @PeeHaa @bwoebi @kelunik, I got fed up of hosts file hackery for setting up tests/demos so I made these:
localhost    IN  A      604800  127.0.0.1
localhost    IN  AAAA   604800  ::1
*.localhost  IN  CNAME  604800  localhost.room11.org.
localhost    IN  CAA    604800  0 iodef "mailto:dev.null@room11.org"
i.e. localhost.room11.org and any wildcard subdomain thereof will resolve to 127.0.0.1/[::1]
 
 
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11:58 PM
@SammyK What's a good time for you?
 

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