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20:00
Okay, sounds like italy needs to shoot the next goal, because they are still hoping they can win.
No, actually they're getting one last chance. They're promising me some actual work to do now instead of just fixing mantis tickets all day, so I'm just going to see how that plays out. I'll also keep my ear to the ground regarding some other position.
Fixing mantis tickets mean, you develop mantis, or it's just the bugtracker in use?
is the bugtracker we use.
@GordonM How big is your team/shop?
In the meantime, trying to whore me some rep. I'd love if I could have a 5 figure SO profile to put on the CV
3 developers, 1 junior developer, 2 designers + 1 designer/front end guy and a CMS Manager.
So 7
20:05
Is this the same boss?
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Q: My boss decided to add a "person to blame" field to every bug report. How can I convince him that it's a bad idea?

MK_DevIn one of the latest "WTF" moves, my boss decided that adding a "Person To Blame" field to our bug tracking template will increase accountability (although we already have a way of tying bugs to features/stories). My arguments that this will decrease morale, increase finger-pointing and would not...

No, but I so don't want him to see that!
@tereško Do you know of a good online place for typography stuff? I'm going to try to learn a bit before getting the book as it is aimed at a someone with some level of training. I figured I'd ask since most PHP resources are garbage and I don't know if typography resource are the same way.
well .. you could try webtypography.net
it's kinda hard to find and , what you would call, "introductory materials"
@tereško i wish all websites had such readable fonts as that one
Anyone happen to know if there's a query on data.stackexchange.com that shows what percentage of bounty questions regained the bounty amount in votes? I can't find anything but I seem to remember seeing figures somewhere
user895378
20:19
@LeviMorrison Nice!
I am trying to convert mssql datetime to date and dispaly it in php but I always get 1970-01-01
date("Y-m-d", strtotime($row["RequestTime"]));
2012-06-28 14:13:56.000 this is how it is stored in the database
can I not do it in php instead of the sql query?
@developer Well, you can, but I like to have a unix timestamp before it ever hits PHP.
ok I change my query to $tsql = "SELECT ID, Activity, AttendeeNumber, DATEDIFF(s, '19700101', RequestTime) as RequestTime FROM ActivityRequest where AttendeeNumber=".$_SESSION['AtID'];
but I still get the same 1970-01-01 format
20:30
Do $date = date('Y-m-d', $row['RequestTime']);
@tereško what is a light editor you recommend for Linux?
perfect thanks a lot @LeviMorrison. I appreciate your help
@Justin for what task, and which is your primary desktop environment
PHP/SQL and it's using Ubuntu 12...
Its only going to be used temporarily -- till a laptop is fixed -- this machine can't handle a whole lot which is why we need something a bit on the light side.
@Justin Stay clear away from Netbeans, then. It'll suck your system like a boss.
20:34
@Justin , would that mean Gnome as DE ?
Yeah that one i know... We normally run PhpStorm -- but I doubt this machine could handle it...
In that case i would look at Anjuta or Geany , they are "advancer editors" (both GTK based)
Cool thanks..
but you could as well try out Sublime Text 2 (it runs on linux too .. though i am not sure with GUI framework it requires)
Not for me (for my "boss")... Somehow he fried the charging port on his laptop
But thanks for the recommends... I've passed them along -- the rest is up to him...
20:36
if you just need syntax highlighting , @Justin , you can do with the default gEdit (in default installation already)
noob question: is this ws:// protocol eating Apache threads...
Yay, Italy made it ^^
@LeviMorrison if I want to only display time part, will I again have to modify the query
@developer I don't understand your question.
@webarto Certainly not the protocol but the connections I'd say.
20:41
@hakre :)
@tereško <3 Sublime
sorry :) I just need to know will it hold 100 users :)))
in PHP6 I want to see this integrated :)
Like if I want to display time from 2012-06-28 14:13:56.000 like 02:13 pm ?
@developer Oh, use PHP's DateTime class.
Earlier, the date function could have been replaced with:
$data = new DateTime($row['RequestTime']);
echo $data->format('Y-m-d');
DateTime is really useful.
ok thanks a lot
20:47
<3 DateTime
kkkk, date is really good
I came across this class, sounds badass? pokit.org/get/img/02c4e9e231fe7921d424238f14b6c1a6.png
doctrine ;s
@webarto It's pretty complicated, but accounts for all sorts of styles.
Convert `\`to `/`, include;

Works every time for me . . .
user895378
20:57
Schade Deutschland alles ist vorbei
user895378
Says the guy whose squad went 0-3 in the group stage :)
@PeeHaa :P
@rdlowrey ignore this user everywhere? ;)
user895378
hehe
Was a better match to watch than yesterday though
21:03
meh
user895378
I don't think Italy can beat Spain ... but who knows. Spain looks good but they just sit there and pass themselves silly instead of trying to score goals, so it may come down to PKs.
@rdlowrey No way Italy can beat Spain. However I said the same about todays match
@rdlowrey after yesterdays game I think Italy can beat them. yesterday was horrible.
user895378
@Gordon I didn't get to watch yesterday's, sadly. Just got the highlights later :(
@rdlowrey highlights? :)
21:05
hehe
user895378
hehe yeah, when I said "highlights" I actually meant "commentators complaining that Ronaldo didn't get to take a PK"
BTW was I the only who thought Balotelli wouldn't be able to get his shirt on again? :P
@tereško I'm thinking about using Driod Sans for prototype.php.net It's improvement over Arial.
typography is not about fonts
21:10
@LeviMorrison Not Droid Sans?
@salathe I'm not sold on it, I just noticed it is better than using Arial.
user895378
Arial must die.
@rdlowrey neh
@tereško @LeviMorrison guess I'm not up to date regarding that, thanks
21:12
@PeeHaa lol
At least stick Verdana on :P
user895378
@PeeHaa lol:
user895378
> players like him are why little kids have to bring them onto the pitch, because he would get lost if they didn't
@salathe Agreed, the CSS file has them the other way. That's an easy fix . ..
@salathe Driod sans is basically a slightly improved Helvetica, now that I compare them more closely. Not sure that it's worth the network weight.
@LeviMorrison :)
21:18
blah
@rdlowrey :D
@salathe I take that back: I was comparing the wrong two tabs. Driod Sans is a definite improvement compared to Helvetica.
Letter-spacing is more even and the weights of each letter are more uniform.
And the g is 10x better in Driod Serif, imo
@rdlowrey nice link!
Ohhhhhh
interesting...
user895378
21:25
@hakre yeah it's really interesting!
I've got a nice segfault here
@ircmaxell If you can't crash it, it does not work.
Quick question
I've got a file that contains a class with one function
that one function is never called in the entire codebase
yet, when I delete the file, the code breaks (page does not load)
What could cause that?
@ircmaxell in crypt?
@SomeKittens I assume you have error reporting enabled?
21:30
@NikiC yeah
@PeeHaa Yeah, but it's not giving me anything
(this is in Joomla! by the way)
Are you 1000% sure it doesn't use that function?
Is this a PHP thing, or should I look into the Joomla side of things?
@PeeHaa yes, I wrote a script that checks for all uses of said function
@SomeKittens This calls for basic debugging first. Please do a error_reporting(~0); ini_set('display_errors', 1); at the very beginning of your script. Additionally you should enable error logging and follow the error log.
@SomeKittens ?
@SomeKittens WHy not simply echo something in it and die()?
21:33
@hakre ~0?? why not -1?
@Gordon Because you want to do a binary negation.
@PeeHaa Because I'm working in Joomla MVC. It's a code mess, and I'm trying to reduce LoC. The script checked all functions in the component
@SomeKittens That's not reason you can't simply echo something in that function and die()
@PeeHaa I don't see what purpose that would serve.
@SomeKittens Well if you remove something and then your site breaks, I'd say you removed too much. Sounds like a no-brainer.
21:36
@SomeKittens Either the function is used somewhere or the file is required. Either way dounds like error reporting is not properly enabled
@hakre to what purpose? -1 enables all error levels.
@Gordon I think when you write -1 you mean ~0. error_reporting takes a bitmask, -1 can create a different bitmask depending on the system you're on. So it's okay to use -1 on systems where it is the same as ~0. On systems where this is not the same, take ~0 instead to display all errors.
@NikiC: where's my account info page again? for php.net?
where I can manage my keys and such, I can't find it
@ircmaxell hm?
master.php.net/login.php
that's it
thanks
21:41
@hakre eih, the manual suggests to use -1, so I'll stick with -1
@Gordon The manual does not explain which bitmask that should represent, so I'd say it's weak. - is not a bitwise operator btw.
@NikiC yeah, but it's on a memset(0) call, so it shouldn't be a security issue. I'm working on a patch for 5.3/5.4 now...
22:02
@hakre trying to find it in the source but I cant read it, nor do i understand that lxr tool. am too stupid for C.
@Gordon Actually, the systems where -1 and ~0 differ are not often to be found. So it's just tech blah.
@hakre in PHP, they are identical... as both are long, both are the same...
Now, -1.0 and ~0 are different
@ircmaxell wouldn't this depend on the platform PHP was compiled on?
The IMDB wesbite is a live example of a HTML 5 website with HTML 3.2 table layouts. If some of the table haters would know ^^
I just want to throw a huge FU to all companies who have foreign support teams
@CarrieKendall Ah, new gravatar?
I see it on the left by your message, but over in the right where it shows everyone in the room, I don't.
Interesting.
The funny part is that I changed it like 400 years ago
The number is partially misleading but still
22:45
@hakre Funny, I was on about that earlier
8 hours ago, by Bracketworks
I prefer ~0 cause it looks cooler, and reads better ;) "What's this? Error reporting is not zero. Alright."
17:42Nirmal K.: Please hold the line,I'll will be helping your in short time
@Bracketworks cool ;)
@CarrieKendall Wasn't Nirmal on Garfield?
@ircmaxell In practice they are identical. In theory the C standard allows also the use of one's complement and signed magnitude instead of two's complement. In that case -1 and ~0 would differ. E.g. with one's complement -1 wouldn't set the lowest bit. -0 (minus zero) would
I am on a support chat with this guy:
22:48
@hakre What systems would that be?
@CarrieKendall , my condolences
@CarrieKendall Ask them to prepone your problem, for you have a doubt.
any improvements in his english skills ?
17:52Carrie Kendall: Can I please talk to someone that speaks English fluently and understands the context?
17:52Nirmal K.: Thanks for taking the time to visit support. Have a great day!
17:52Carrie Kendall: ..... Are you serious?
23:12
damn ... been looping same song for an hour now
23:36
@CarrieKendall bot?
@tereško sometimes, I play one song almost entire day
@NikiC fair enough
user895378
@CarrieKendall Yay!!!!
23:57
the tanned-one has awoken
@Bracketworks Those system that use a different bitmask for negative numbers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signed_number_representations

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