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ThW
2:00 PM
@Leigh It is the same for me.
conferences help :-)
 
Anonymous
mm probably work doesn't help. Just churning out system after system without anyone seeing your code. Criticism is enjoyable
 
@JayIsTooCommon code reviews?
are you working in an agency? that would probably suck the enjoyment out of me in a matter of weeks
 
Anonymous
@Patrick public sector, only 1 of 3 devs. Other 2 are beginners
 
@JayIsTooCommon and you still need to churn out project after project instead of working on something over years?
Maybe legacy code is the key to happiness after all
 
My first job after college was public sector, it was actually pretty fun, because I was IT dogsbody, that guy fixing printers and shit. Spent a lot of time hanging out with the girls in the switchboard drinking tea and eating biscuits
 
2:05 PM
@Patrick NO
Legacy code is the work of the Evil
Legacy code is the root of destruction, misery, famine and death
 
@Trucy but its a sign you are not working in an agency :)
 
@Patrick Could you define/describe what an agency is? Not native here
(and online dictionnaries aren't of any help :()
 
Anonymous
@Patrick aye. I do a bit of refactoring of legacy when I can, which can be enjoyable. But mainly new systems. About 8 under my name for this year :P
 
@JayIsTooCommon In 5 days?
wow
@Ekin Yes. Will check
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa no you tit, 8 required for this year :P
 
2:09 PM
:P
 
@Trucy a shop that does projects for clients. so you often have projects that are not maintained
compared to working for a place where the software is part of the business and lives for decades
the software I'm working on at the moment is over a decade old
 
@Patrick Oh I see. Yeah, It may be a good sign.
 
@JayIsTooCommon legacy sucks. but working on software that is measured in decades instead of months is awesome
 
But are you keeping the technologies (languages/framework/…) up to date?
 
@Trucy on php 7.0 now, moving to 7.1 soon. don't even want to know what the version was when it was started...
 
2:11 PM
Good point then
I'm on a NEW project, we're using 5.6 and zf1
(ang angular 1.6)
 
Anonymous
@Patrick Yeah I imagine that's cool. Rewriting legacy can be satisfying though
 
Anonymous
@Trucy if it's a new project, why not 7 ?
 
@Trucy refuse, just scream and shout ... this is dangerous, negligent, and stupid
 
@JayIsTooCommon yeah thats also a big part of my job. we are migrating part by part to clean OOP. a lot of the old code is full of globals and other horrifying things
 
@Trucy I'm sorry
 
2:14 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Because "we've been working with 5.6/zf1 and It Just Works"
@JoeWatkins Not enough experience they'd say
 
Anonymous
@Patrick yes that, I enjoy that :) Mess is entertaining. That's why I laugh at @PeeHaa a lot
 
:D
 
But I told them that we should use PHP 7 and an up-to-date framework
I'll WRITE it in my weekly report
I warned them that if it breaks, we get to keep the 2 parts
But "we've always done so"
 
that's not an argument
 
In their defense, they have a good reason to keep with 5.6 : afaik 7 is not yet in debian stable
and all of our architecture is based on debian stable
 
2:17 PM
nobody has a good reason to use 5 for new projects ...
 
But they sounded like we'll never update to php7
 
you know it's possible to build php yourself ...
 
Don't you dare break debian
 
@JoeWatkins They'll see it as witchcraft
 
don't you have sysadmins ? what do they say about deploying unsupported software ?
 
2:18 PM
They saw me use the command line once
 
evening room
 
They thought I was some kind of witch
@JoeWatkins the sysadmin doesn't know much about linux we have a window poweruser as a system administrator
 
I ... don't know what that means ...
 
better?
 
nope ... what you are describing isn't a sysadmin ... sysadmin means *nix guru
 
2:19 PM
:D
I hear you
 
@JoeWatkins Stop offending @DaveRandom
<3 @DaveRandom
 
to be fair to chris, he's network admin, I think ... and isn't stupid when it comes to nix either ...
a sysadmin that can't build software on linux is totally useless
 
I'm actually a cisadmin
 
ThW
Well, I would expect a Windows Administrator to use the power shell a lot...
 
@DaveRandom so you're like root when it comes to priviledges
 
2:21 PM
and anyway, you don't even need to build php on windows ...
 
@JoeWatkins s/need/want
 
yeah and that, but mostly it's unnecessary, the builds are available for windows before almost anything else
 
Yeah. That works out pretty well
 
@Trucy I identify as a computer
 
@Trucy start looking for a new job ...
 
2:24 PM
@JoeWatkins Oh I plan to do that. I'm just gaining a bit of experience here.
But it's very hard to find an IT job here, and I can't move
 
it may not be all that useful ...
I rarely move ...
do it from home ... do it anyway you can that means you don't have to work with people who won't listen, and are stupid ...
 
@Trucy where? is remote an option?
 
potentially silly question. Is it easy to compile PHP without $_GET $_POST $_FILES just php://input ?
 
(alright I put it in my monthly todo list, but I have some stuff to take care of before, and that counts "being financially stable")
@Patrick French countryside, literally in the middle of nowhere. Remote IS an option that I'm considering
 
@MrMesees Why?
Ain't nobody wants to give loaded guns to random people
 
2:27 PM
@Trucy TBF the last version of ZF1 already should support 7
 
I'd like to compile it without and have those things come in as an extension or php library. It's mainly for interop with non-php
 
wat
 
@MrMesees Yes.
 
something guns something @kelunik :P
 
:P
@PeeHaa I'm not going to sell it to someone or distribute beyond an internal vagrant or docker image
 
2:29 PM
try setting request_order to nonsense
 
You can use php.ini for that
 
that doesn't contain e, c, p, g, or s
 
But it makes no sense whatsoever
@JoeWatkins It doesn't?
 
(thank you @JoeWatkins, you really motivated me to look for a new job. It may not be in the next couple of months, but I'll do it)
 
!!github php/php-src
 
2:30 PM
@Trucy I had a skype interview for a remote job with a swiss company from the french part a while ago, maybe you can find a job over here that pays better than one in France. But to be fair they didn't want to talk anymore after they heard my salary expectations :D
 
@Jeeves you're useless?
 
@PeeHaa No, I have many uses.
 
Also stop starring everything
 
@JoeWatkins thanks
@Jeeves thanks
 
@MrMesees You're welcome!
 
2:30 PM
@PeeHaa I mean, set request_order to something that doesn't contain any of those chars ... it looks like that will stop _GET etc being registered
 
@kelunik thanks!
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa there's a plugin for that
 
@Patrick Did you have a hard time finding a company looking for remote jobs?
 
@JoeWatkins Ah right. We agree. puts pitchfork away
 
lol
 
@JoeWatkins :P
But again @MrMesees you are doing it wrong
Trust me
 
@Trucy I don't have a remote job now. But I can do 50% of the time from home which works well for me
 
yeah you probably are doing it wrong ...
 
I have no clue what you are doing but I'm sure it's wrong
@JayIsTooCommon How come it didn't search github for me?
I thought it did that too
Wrong command>?
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa i was talking about issue to request that feature :P
 
2:33 PM
@Patrick I see. I have a couple of friends who are doing 50% remote. But I'm looking 100% remote, as every big town is at a 4 hour train ride
 
@JayIsTooCommon oh :)
Pretty sure @kelunik implemented it already
 
@kelunik think one is for cli sapi and the other for elsewhere ... think request_order is used in cli (which would assume is current sapi)
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa i'm gonna once again try remove tonight. c&c is distracting me
 
@JayIsTooCommon :D
 
2:34 PM
@Trucy look way further afield than next town over ... the world is your audience ...
 
@PeeHaa I want to run PHP over a network with the benefits of FPM (auto-restart clear max lifetime etc) and just not use GET, POST, REQUEST etc. I'm not sure if it's as simple as an ini change how it could be "doing it wrong"
 
Yeah your best chance is a fully remote company if you can't make it onsite at least part time
 
it isn't meant for that ...
 
@JoeWatkins I was telling that because most remote jobs wants you to come over at least a couple of days per week, and in my case it's not feasible
 
it is meant for changing order ... which you could have guessed, because it has order in the name :)
 
2:35 PM
 
@Trucy I've never done that ...
 
@JoeWatkins is it that it's likely to change in a future PHP, it's had different behaviour, I should write an entire SAPI?
 
I've worked in a couple of offices, for a short time, but never split between them ... you need high discipline and routine to be able to work by yourself ...
@MrMesees wut
 
@JoeWatkins I think I lack this. But seeing as I work alone on my project and don't have any trouble with it, I think I could work from home.
 
you build it, you can't do that if you need to keep going into some office and dealing with humans ...
 
2:38 PM
I tried to force myself to code at least a couple of hours per day when I was jobless, but didn't succed
 
@JoeWatkins I don't understand why not requiring any of the HTTP built-in is doing it wrong. I'm open to alternatives that don't waste computer time.
 
do you know how FPM works ?
 
(but then, I was depressed and burned out from my last job)
 
@JoeWatkins rough, high-level big picture idea. I'm guessing you know it better
 
with "high level understanding" you mean "I know it runs php"
that's some very high level there
 
2:40 PM
@tereško ... I know more than that, I didn't know unsetting that ini setting stopped super globals being parsed
@tereško quite uncool really
 
Wes
@PeeHaa * HOLD THE DOOR, HOLD THE DOOR
 
:P
 
Wes
* HODOR, HODOR
 
I'm just trying to get you to think ... using fpm, and disabling a core part of php, makes no sense whatever ... FPM is extremely complicated, heavy and slow software, that crashes all the time under load, places severe restrictions on performance and is altogether not very good at all if all you want to do is implement what sounds like some kind of IPC to me ...
in addition, fpm is pretty useless without that particular core part ...
who is starring everything ? it's very annoying ...
 
@JoeWatkins reply to @tereško absolutely not aimed at you sorry it's me starring lol
 
2:49 PM
forget this madness, if what you want is IPC then find a way to do that without crippling the implementation with the limitations of things like FCGI and or FPM ...
/me is afk
 
@JoeWatkins I don't want IPC, why the focus on IPC
I specifically want to talk out to http via CURL
 
Anonymous
@Leigh that's awesome
 
I do need php://input maybe the server superglobal
but that's it, it's a very very basic high'ish volume experiment
 
@JayIsTooCommon Tell him that :D
 
Wes
2:54 PM
another attack in turkey :\
 
I'm hoping I get some minor speed or resource improvement from ignoring POST, GET, FILES, COOKIES
it's internal I don't need PHP to auth, I don't need query vars, I definitely don't want or need post data or cookies
 
@MrMesees On CLI you won't have that anyway.
 
@kelunik whilst that is true I do need/want to have a non-login way to reach the script over a network. I promise I'll post anything if it's useful, been running without parsing POST in the past, this is likely just the next evolution of that work.
 
Hey guys, new to PHP and having an issue. I preform a sqlsrv_query and then after that I do $count = sqlsrv_num_rows, and it gives me the error "sqlsrv_num_rows() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean give"
However, this works perfectly on local, and both point to same DB
I noticed that if I removed the 4th optional param from sqlsrv_num (array("Scrollable"=>"buffered")), it no longer gives this error. But the overall code still incorrectly fails. Again, all of this works locally. Any ideas/hints to fix?
 
3:11 PM
@Austin Look at the code that is connecting to the db, you are probably getting false because the connection fails
And for future reference, use PDO instead, it's awesome
 
@Austin your query failed, returned false, and you're passing false to sqlsrv_num_rows. Validate the response of your query instead of passing it around blindly.
 
@Patrick So I thought it may have been that, but the connection is exactly the same as my local file and both point to a DB that is hosted online. Is there a way to truly confirm it connected okay and did not error?
 
Did you guys saw tgere is only 400 stars missing to place php-src before ruby? In a last few days I saw there were about 400 star additions to repo github.com/showcases/programming-languages?s=stars
Sry for typos
 
@Leigh Would that be what I have seen in some locations like "$requestCheck = sqlsrv_query"... then if ($requestCheck === false) { //failed }
 
@brzuchal Somebody posted a star inflation tweet a couple of days back
 
3:14 PM
@Austin Yes
 
@Austin show the code where you connect to the db (without credentials ofc)
 
@PeeHaa yeah. I've retweeted it
 
Wes
@PeeHaa i almost finished that thing again... till i didn't :B deleted tests completely, started over again...
 
@Wes yeah, here at the city center this time...
 
Wes
also i'm changing moar stuff. you have no idea how simple this thing is but at the same time so complex to do it properly
if i don't count stuff that i'm not planning to include in the first release, it's just 1200 LOC. still i keep changing them...
 
3:23 PM
@MrMesees you are not making much sense ...
 
Wes
@Ekin quite scary turkey these days... :( be safe...
 
Added Leighs suggestion (marked it with a capitalized comment) and it does seem to die, so maybe something is wrong? Locally, again, it all works fine. But when on the server it doesn't. And the DB is on that same host as these files...
(excuse any eye gouging code, new to PHP)
 
Wes
@PeeHaa link? i'll spam because refuse to have php being behind ruby :B
 
@Wes :-)
 
Well by die(), it doesn't return anything in my response for that network request. So assume that is what die() does..
 
You have an error with your query, you say it works locally, no way we can debug that for you. You need to get the reason for the failure and go from there
 
@MrMesees The process manager for PHP-FPM is a bit shit tbh.... I strongly suspect you'd be better off with supervisord.org managing instances of a PHP CLI application.
 
@Leigh Heeyy, that gives me something useful back to work with at least, the print_r error code.
Array ( [0] => Array ( [0] => IMSSP [SQLSTATE] => IMSSP [1] => -54 [code] => -54 [2] => The value passed for the 'Scrollable' statement option is invalid. Please use 'static', 'dynamic', 'keyset', or 'forward'. [message] => The value passed for the 'Scrollable' statement option is invalid. Please use 'static', 'dynamic', 'keyset', or 'forward'. ) )
 
@Danack that is the fallback plan. I honestly thought FPM would be more polished
 
But again this works locally...could it have to do with like the PHP version of the server?
 
3:31 PM
iunno, nobody sane uses sql server :)
 
:(
 
FPM could do with a lot of work on it.
 
@Danack Again though, it'd need to also spin up a lightweight http server so I could trigger via URL, which is why I thought, use nginx passing to fpm FTW (the less of my code I use the happier I'd be)
 
"it'd need to also spin up a lightweight http server so I could trigger via URL" + " and just not use GET, POST, REQUEST etc. I'm not sure " => xy problem
Have I missed where you said what problem you're actually trying to solve, rather than just describing a preferred solution?
 
@Danack just throughput for an event log that currently does a few million transactions per day
 
3:34 PM
@Austin I would say you're probably close, it's going to be a difference in versions somewhere. PHP maybe, ext/sqlwhatever maybe, the OS level sql server driver possibly
 
I get an email (even spam) it pings a URL. I do a build, ping the URL, it's a way of me encouraging me to do work lol
It only uses URI / URL so I can get from server
 
Yea true, I will keep poking around. Thanks!
 
@Austin compare PHP versions, and also php.net/manual/en/function.sqlsrv-client-info.php
btw, I'm just using the manual, you could do this ;)
 
it's an existing "solution" (problem sometimes) that I want to test for the heck of it
all automated cron tasks trigger it, any system errors trigger, turning on a computer triggers
 
Yea I was digging in there, but I just keep finding so many "other ways" to do it when I combined SO answers into the mix. So part of the code is copy/pasta SO and the manual
 
3:36 PM
@MrMesees Why doesn't just using normal PHP-FPM fit that need?
 
@Danack it does, which is why I want to keep it
@Danack but I don't use POST or GET or FILES
lower latency, lower usage FTW
 
I don't use my airbag or backseat either fwiw
 
@MrMesees what makes you think those things slow PHP down? Aka what problem do you think you have with those?
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa me and your mum use your backseat.
 
@Danack anything you do on a PC slows it down. I don't mind if it's nanoseconds I gain, I want them just because really
 
3:38 PM
Is that that smell?
 
Anonymous
lol
 
> I don't mind if it's nanoseconds I gain, I want them just because really
@MrMesees what makes you think it even gains nanoseconds?
 
@Danack FPM takes ~2mb peak RAM to process which is mostly relaying. If I can get it to 1MB I'm happy. And I don't know until I test
 
what would be a good example for a domain service? (ddd)
 
that's internal to PHP script RAM usage I expect it might be actually higher
 
3:41 PM
@PeeHaa OMG you sbould remove it. It's slowing you down I think.
 
Anonymous
:)
 
it's very annoying to spend your time responding to a question, just to be ignored ...
@Danack give up ...
 
@PeeHaa and remove that accelerator, just put a system that makes you accelerate constantly
 
@Trucy So I need to get a tesla? :P
 
@brzuchal You know what else is slowing you? BRAKES, get rid of them.
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@PeeHaa Or a Piranha in WipeOut
 
3:42 PM
!!? Piranha in WipeOut
 
Search for "Piranha in WipeOut" (https://www.google.com/search?q=Piranha+in+WipeOut&lr=lang_en)
• Piranha | Wipeout Central | Fandom powered by Wik… - Piranha Advancements (formerly known as Pir-hana) are an Anti-Gravity racing team based in Brazil,… (http://wipeout.wikia.com/wiki/Piranha)
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• Piranha Swiftkiller | Wipeout Central | Fandom po… - The Piranha SwiftKiller is a series of AG racing shi
 
Oh I suck so hard at that game
 
The last unlockable ship in the Piranha series is a ship that accelerates constantly
It's not an easy game, but I like the universe
 
As if the game wasn't twitchy enough :P
 
And frustrating
 
3:47 PM
so nvidia will relaunch geforce now to support steam and goog. unfortunately win and mac only so no geforce 1080 on demand for me
 
"Oh I see that you're running at 1st place and slowed a wee bit too much in order to take a turn, here, have the 4th place"
 
@Trucy :P
 
^ @bwoebi @Wes What do you think about that? ^
 
Anonymous
jagged
 
Wes
:P
 
3:52 PM
@kelunik is that something like the new Imperial Forces logo?
 
@Gordon New Amp logo, yes.
 
@staabm ping
 
@kelunik I mean it represents an elephant and concurrency pretty well, but also a bit weird :p
 
what would be a good example for a domain service? (ddd)
I need to do an in-house presentation even though I only just finished reading a book about it :x
 
@Patrick does your domain have users? :)
 
3:54 PM
@Leigh didn't see the elephant until yo mentioned it
 
@Leigh Initial draft is by @Wes (sketchtoy.com/67628370), that version is by a cousin of mine.
 
@Leigh yeah I guess, it's just random examples (mostly from our domain)
 
> I mean it represents an elephant ... pretty well
Are you one of those weird people who see shit in abstract art?
 
@PeeHaa I think it's still loading
 
Anonymous
chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/11?m=31096137#31096137 Did the idea of a full elephant get binned?
 
3:55 PM
wait .... waaaaiiit ... waaaaaaiiiiit ....
 
:P
I grew fond of the elephant :(
 
me too ... elephpant or gtfo
 
@JayIsTooCommon It's too small for the header.
We had that version inbetween:
 
"Asynchronous Multitasking PHP" why not an elephant herd?
 
I only know it's related to elephant because I have context
 
3:57 PM
@Patrick Too complex for a logo.
 
@PeeHaa not usually, but kinda in this one, invisible lines showing workers/coroutines, and black being when they're doing work
 
@Leigh so ... do you take your LSD for breakfast, or lunch ?
 
^ that
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins breakfast, the bits left in his beard are for lunch
 
@kelunik I think this is still my favorite version. Works well at any size.
Also, morning. o/
 
4:01 PM
@JoeWatkins both
 
I like that one better than the jagged one ...
\o
 
Anonymous
moin
 
because you know, only lasts like 3-4 hours
 
yo @Trowski
@Leigh lol
 
I've read some studies about microdosing to improve concentration
 
4:03 PM
@JoeWatkins ping
 
@Leigh CreateUser?
 
@staabm are those bytes or kilobytes, and 600.000 == 600,000 or 600 ?
 
@Patrick I was thinking more along the lines of an authentication service
 
it can't be kb and 600,000, but just saying, can you make it clear :)
also, thanks for effort
I think somewhere in the middle, more than wp needed but maybe not as much as symfony needed seems reasonable ? WP is a thing that needs to work out of the box, but symfony is useless out of the box and requires configuration, and the kind of size that we cannot possibly guess ... that's why I was interested in WP/drupal
 
@Leigh In the DDD Distilled Book there are commands that trigger events. Are those domain services or application services?
@Gordon @Ocramius halp
 
4:10 PM
@Patrick I dont have that book
hmm, but I could buy it. I am currently searching for sth to buy anyway
 
@Gordon Buy me a bottle of scotch instead
2
That start means you approve I assume?
 
@Gordon its a good read but only 130 pages
 
Buy a roll of Scotch tape, and put it in a bottle.
 
@PeeHaa no sudo, no scotch
 
And video it
 
4:12 PM
@JoeWatkins per php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.realpath-cache-size those should be bytes
 
@DaveRandom How can he video it when he just put the tape in the bottle?
 
I didn't say it would be an interesting video
 
added it to the PR.
 
ha!
 
Although obviously I meant he should video himself giving it to you
 
4:13 PM
@Gordon Are you somewhat familiar with DDD and CQRS?
I know you are :D
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom gross
 
I am struggling finding the difference between application service, domain service and a cqrs command
My intuition says that cqrs command = application service. But then what are domain services?
 
@JoeWatkins I agree that we dont need be compatible with symfony etc, but I am also not sure whether it is worth a discussion if such a buffer should be 2mb or 4mb (thats not a number which any system nowadays will have problems with)
we are not talking about hundreds of MB or even GB
even a raspery pi has 512MB ram ;-)
 
@Patrick IDK. I'd say it depends on context whether it's a DS or an AS, but I really don't know. I grasp the overall concept of CQRS but never ventured into it too deep.
 
"what makes you think those things slow PHP down?"

Initial tests show between 20 & 100 r/sec increase with 1000 concurrent no keepalive using siege on phpinfo without -b flag, we'll see about the app, obviously I need to do many runs and run e2e tests under config to see if any "effects" come from this
 
4:21 PM
@Patrick Not really a DDD person. I mean I understand all the Ds, but when you say a "Domain Service", I was just picking something that might be part of your applications domain.
 
with -b flag same vagrant 2cpu 1gb ram xenial with no system mods (just nginx & php-fpm)

root@ubuntu-xenial:/vagrant# siege -b -c1000 -t600s http://127.0.0.1/
** SIEGE 3.0.8
** Preparing 1000 concurrent users for battle.
The server is now under siege...
Lifting the server siege... done.

Transactions: 4277993 hits
Availability: 100.00 %
Elapsed time: 599.42 secs
Data transferred: 1566.71 MB
Response time: 0.11 secs
Transaction rate: 7136.89 trans/sec
needs to be tested non-loopback too, but not bad for php over 10 mins
 
@Leigh From my understanding when I have a state transaction/event like UserCreated then that event gets created by a CreateUser command. Is this command part of the domain or just an application service/use case (clean arch.)?
At least it's just for a presentation, we'll get a consultant before we start implementing this stuff...
 
I think PHP would only survive a migration to C++ and no other language, but the more I learn and practice Rust the more I wish we'd move to it. I wouldn't suggest it yet; I'd wait for more stability first and some more compiling speed improvements (the largest complaint of large Rust codebases).
But it is way nicer than C and is a bit simpler than C++.
 
@LeviMorrison Why not Go?
 
@Leigh Go would also have some advantages; notably we may not have to write GC at all.
 
4:25 PM
@staabm we don't need a discussion, but just don't want to guess what is going to be useful ... so long as we can set it to something reasonable - because we have actual reasons, that's fine ...
 
@Patrick This is why I'm not a DDD person, starting to lose interest already :P
 
OK so they renew my trial period
Guess I'll update my résumé
 
@Trucy that sucks :/
 
@Leigh thanks anyways :D
 
@Leigh Well it confirms a bit more my willingness to look for a new job :D
They renewed it because I'm fresh out of school
(disregarding my 3 year apprenticeship)
 
4:28 PM
How long was the trial for?
 
(which was the reason they hired me)
2 months
 
@JoeWatkins I think we agree on all points you just mentioned ;)
 
So for another 2 months I can get fired on the spot
 
So in 2 months they can't decide if they want to keep you or fire you, and give you another 2 months "not knowing". Sucks
 
Didn't need that stress.
 
Anonymous
4:29 PM
@Trucy sorry to hear that
 
@Leigh I think it's more "2 months of let's pay her less so we have more money"
 
If I was in your shoes I'd start looking elsewhere.
 
@staabm if you need hundreds or thousands such buffers, it matters though
 
@JayIsTooCommon Oh, I think they'll be sorry when they'll hear I found a remote job which pays more
But oh look at the time, it's time to get home because I don't work overtime :)
 
Anonymous
haha :P nice
 
4:30 PM
see ya in a bit!
 
Anonymous
o/
 
@LeviMorrison I'll revert any migration to C++, even if I'd loose my git push privileges then…
 
@LeviMorrison Main disadvantage of Rust, nobody would want to contribute anymore, because Rust is hard :D
 
@Leigh Eh... it's true for now.
 
Going from (almost?) any other language to Rust takes a real mental shift
I didn't have the patience to go past simple stuff, so I'm probably not qualified to comment, but it was just far too alien
 
4:37 PM
@bwoebi I have this urge to rename Producer to Dynamo as it is an async generator. :-D
 
@Trowski that's a nice word play, but probably not very helpful for readers :-P
 
Ooo… or Alternator
Ok… I'll put away my thesaurus…
:-D
 
Producer is the only thing we need a new name for, right?
 
Producer just seemed to generic IMO, so I was looking for alternatives
But it doesn't really matter.
 
@Trowski … hmm … Streamer?
(A Streamer streams/emits onto a Stream)
 
4:42 PM
@bwoebi do you expact shared hosters run thousands of separate fpm pools on a single instance?
 
@staabm well, you pretty much need to if you don't want scripts to write to other scripts
e.g. open_basedir
you need to start each pool with a different basedir
 
7.1.1RC1 is very nearly a thing ... if anyone was waiting for that ...
 
@Trowski StreamingCoroutine?
 
@kelunik Could just go with AsyncGenerator
@NikiC Async generators are one reason I'd like to see the async/await keywords added to PHP.
 
@MrMesees Which -b flag? the one for siege?
 
4:50 PM
I'm looking for an English word which describes this: "when you eat food, you have .... feeling"
the same "watered" but for food
 
@Shafizadeh satiated?
 
@bwoebi when your stomach is full of food, it means you are satiated? cc @littlepootis
 
@Shafizadeh satiated is when you do not feel like you'd need more food
 
4:59 PM
ah good ..
 

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