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9:00 PM
help me
 
Wes
@PeeHaa i just wish i didn't have to deal with this kind of crap every day :B
 
@undefined wow you devolved...
@Wes Yeah that sucks
I used to have that stupid stuff when I was more into websites / hosting stuff
 
@Wes all of them
it's a rabbit hole
it's three now
 
@PeeHaa need help
 
Wes
lol, don't give up niki :D
 
9:02 PM
@undefined Call a doctor
I wonder whether this is about me or something deleted I don't see
> I also see there is a little rude comment on the thread which has been duly flagged for admin/moderator's kind attention.
 
@PeeHaa whats wrong with u
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Instead of dumping everything that pops into your mind put some thought and research into your problems yourself. — PeeHaa 12 hours ago
Sounds like the kind of OP to flag it
 
I want to add a live streaming link to football data fetched from an api what is the best practice to do it
 
user1804599
PeeHaaPee
 
if i knew the answer i wouldnt came her to ask experts like you
 
9:05 PM
roightfold o/
 
just give an idea
 
Wes
PeeHaa unrelated, can you link me that message of yours saying that you reached that point that you question anything you write at the point that you don't write code anymore? :B
 
user1804599
How about you stop demanding like we owe you something, and instead ask kindly and accept that people may be doing other things or be just not interested?
 
@undefined "came" means "let" ?
 
wow I have reached a lot of points I see in chat search :P
 
9:12 PM
@undefined so much
 
@Shafizadeh you're asking the wrong person questions on English
 
Wes
chat search sux
 
@PaulCrovella oh .. ok :-)
 
@Wes So bad :(
 
user1804599
I never really had a problem with chat search. :D
 
user1804599
9:14 PM
But OTOH I seem to have the ability to memorise exact phrases.
 
@rightfold I could use somebody like you :P
Although it will be annoying if we get into a fight
 
@NikiC feature will never be implemented; when you've finished fixing the bugs, you'll already have forgotten the feature you initially wanted to add :-P
 
lol wtf
The order of keywords matter in search :P
 
@Shafizadeh he tried to write "come"
 
This is just crazy
 
9:15 PM
@PeeHaa why is that crazy?
 
Because in natural language it doesn't make sense
 
@tereško well what's the meaning of "I wouldn't come her to ask experts like you"
 
Sep 14 at 10:19, by PeeHaa
@Wes What I often get "lately" is that I question every single fucking thing I do to the point I cannot write code anymore :P
@Wes ^
 
I think "allow" is a better word instead of "come"
 
@bwoebi there is not one single way to say something
 
Wes
9:16 PM
ha lolled hard on that one
 
@Shafizadeh he meant "I wouldn't come here to ask..."
 
@FlorianMargaine oh .... that was "here"
 
@Shafizadeh here also failed to spell "here" ... the phrase was "come here"
 
yeah .. got it
 
@PeeHaa yeah, your questioning of your actions is indeed questionable.
 
9:17 PM
@bwoebi I have my doubts about that.
 
so many pins in this room
 
@FlorianMargaine the member of this room are super activate :-)
 
It's a bit pin galore atm yeah :P @FlorianMargaine
 
@FlorianMargaine they're fresh pins though … I'll remove some in 1-3 days
 
the psa can probably go
 
9:19 PM
@Shafizadeh if I am not mistaken, the KEY there is not actually significant. In that particular situation the it's "FOREIGN KEY" that matters
 
@PaulCrovella true.
 
it signifies that it will be using UNIQUE KEY or PRIMARY KEY from a different table
it's a common construction for many-to-many relation in DB
 
@tereško that KEY is for when you want to select something based on id2
 
you have a table Users, then you have a table Groups and, since evey user can be in multiple groups and every group can have multiple users, you create a third table - UserGroups, where you store the connections
@Shafizadeh no to select
it's there to enforce a limitation (technical term: constraint)
 
@PeeHaa you sound like a baby
@tereško thank for correcting my sentence , btw can you help me about my question
 
9:23 PM
@tereško understanding this based on seeing a table structure is fantastic :-) Also this is the original question, probable you want to write an answer for him
 
@Shafizadeh and as I said, it's "FOREIGN KEY", because if you just write "KEY", the DB will assume that you meant "UNIQUE KEY"
 
After saving changes in the docbook editor, is there something I should be doing to publish the changes?
 
I had enough before and now I'm just totally done with you
 
@Shafizadeh hell no, I am drinking beer, listening to doom metal and writing javascript
 
@bwoebi any thoughts on optimizing this regex to detect invalid utf-8 in a potentially massive string when pcre has been built without unicode support?
 
9:25 PM
lots and lots of javascript
 
so also lots and lots of beer
 
@tereško this is wrong methinks ..! when you write "KEY", it means a regular index which makes searching fast. Not a unique kind of index
 
FUCK
@Shafizadeh yes, you are correct
shit
 
@PaulCrovella you want to match the last valid unicode codepoint?
 
I really like to have a experience of being drunk .. I heard it makes people happy :-)
 
9:27 PM
@PeeHaa I actually have 4 bottles, but I don't intend to drink more than that one
 
Wes
@Shafizadeh you corrected teresko! you won!
 
@Shafizadeh actually it depends .. some people get aggressive
 
Wes
:P
 
@tereško you're not writing enough javascript then
 
@Wes yay .. I will be accepted in the interview :-P
@tereško Are you sure??? I heard a beer always gives people happiness
 
9:28 PM
@bwoebi at the moment I'm just using it for a pass/fail, but finding exactly where the string went bad is the next step (and finding the last valid codepoint will take care of that)
 
ah
 
@FlorianMargaine :P
 
@PaulCrovella Can you assume that pcre jit is enabled?
 
@PaulCrovella so, why don't you just match (?&valid)* … i.e. a greedy match to find the whole valid string? (strlen will tell you place of first invalid string if not equivalent to full length)
 
@NikiC no, but I can check it
 
9:30 PM
@PaulCrovella with jit it turns out that just directly checking for invalid bytes is very fast
 
> when pcre has been built without unicode support?
 
@Shafizadeh probably on ones bio-chemistry. Alcohol in general lowers inhibitions. If in daily life you have to put in some effort to not pick up a tire iron and beat the shit out of someone, you probably will get aggressive when drunk. If you spend your days worrying about everything, you will get happier.
 
@bwoebi yeah
but otherwise, I'd also suggest to do a greedy valid match with a ++ on the ascii case
 
@bwoebi with massive strings that gave me PREG_JIT_STACKLIMIT_ERROR (with jit on), PREG_BACKTRACK_LIMIT_ERROR (unless I increased that limit significantly), or PREG_RECURSION_LIMIT_ERROR
 
@bwoebi stackoverflow.com/a/11709412/385378 This one. It turns out to be faster than using //u with JIT (at least for some class of inputs, I didn't carefully test this)
 
9:32 PM
@PaulCrovella yeah, then use possessive as Nikita proposes
 
@tereško ow
 
@bwoebi pcre utf-8 validation is currently completely unoptimized
It just does a byte-for-byte check
 
@NikiC using //u with jit was way faster than that for me
 
im baack
 
@PaulCrovella I guess it depends on the input then
 
9:36 PM
@Shafizadeh of course there is also the social norms that are important. In "western countries" one of signs of adulthood that you have learned to indulge in various vices in moderation (alcohol, drugs, sex, spending, procrastination). In muslim countries you usually just outlaw all the vices.
 
@tereško how do you want to outlaw procrastination? :-D
 
@bwoebi That would be extremely helpful
 
@bwoebi when I figure it out, I will get ritch
 
@NikiC I agree :-)
 
@tereško do you mean Muslim people break the law ?
 
9:38 PM
@Shafizadeh enough do.
 
@bwoebi sounds insulting (if "enough do" means "yes")
 
@Shafizadeh no. I mean that, for example, in many muslim countries alcohol is illegal.
 
Switching between PHP to PL/SQL ... my brain is laughing at me
"How do I write an if/then again?"
 
@Shafizadeh There's no insult though. It's just a fact that a sizable share of populations in countries where e.g. alcool is illegal is drinking
 
@tereško yes it is .. also people don't drink alcohol, because it is illegal .. anyway a real Muslim always respects to laws
 
user1804599
9:42 PM
yummy ethanol
 
@Shafizadeh depends on the definition of real Muslim. This is quite a subjective selection of people…
@rightfold have fun with your concentrated ethanol.
 
No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim ("no Scotsman would do such a thing"), rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group). == Examples... ==
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@bwoebi Alcohol 120%
 
@rightfold 120% of 100% alcool quantity is alcool… thumbs up…
 
leftfold
 
9:45 PM
okay, so adding ++ to the ascii case speeds it up a little when jit is off, and slows it down a little when jit is on
 
user1804599
foldr works on infinite lists, foldl doesn't, hence foldr OWNS
 
@PaulCrovella I actually meant adding it there: (?&valid)*+
 
I'll have to play more with both jit/nojit to see what to come up with for each
 
@Shafizadeh let me put it this way: Is it illegal in your country to cross the road on red light? And have you every crossed it anyway?
 
@PaulCrovella uh, what data are you testing with?
 
9:47 PM
@bwoebi same errors on massive strings
 
Is it representative, mostly ascii data?
 
I expected possessive to not recurse o_O
 
@NikiC no, it's worst case scenario sorta stuff at the moment - i.e. all valid utf-8 followed by a 0x80 to fail it
@bwoebi same. I don't understand it either.
 
@tereško I did .. but drinking a beer is different .. because it is banned both from my country's laws and my religion's laws ... bat crossing the road on red light is only banned from my country's low ..
anyway, a real Muslim never break religion laws
 
@Shafizadeh does the Muslim religious laws also include the old jewish torah laws?
(what christians call the "old testament")
 
9:53 PM
@tereško I don't know what are the old jewish torah laws
 
user1804599
IIRC the Bible says you have to obey the laws of the land.
 
@rightfold yes, but I dont know how much of it went in Koran
 
user1804599
> There is a famous athar of Umar ibn Al-Khattab (which some say is a hadith) which says:

Obey the law of the land.
 
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A: What are counter arguments for those who do not admit to the laws of a secular countries?

ashes999This is something a lot of people unfortunately indulge in. They seek to go against the law and become lawless, claiming their religion as an excuse to do this. Islam is very clear about this; everything from tax evasion to vigilantism. In the Qur'an, Allah says: O you who have believed, ful...

 
@rightfold what are the laws of the land? can you tell me 1 example please ?
 
user1804599
9:55 PM
Just the jurisdiction's laws.
 
/me has very limited knowledge of Koran
 
user1804599
The constitution together with all the laws put through by politicians.
 
@tereško yeah .. that's obvious .. because it's Quran, not Koran
:-)
 
> Those who brag about doing good will go to hell. (Quran 3:188)
 
user1804599
9:56 PM
Koran is a synonym.
 
user1804599
In English
 
oh, ok
 
have you broken that one, @Shafizadeh ?
 
user1804599
@tereško Hell is nice and warm, and you don't fall through the clouds!
 
> Everyone will go to hell.
 
9:57 PM
^
 
Here, this is much simpler
 
@NikiC :-)
 
user1804599
Like the South Park episode where the sign "Heaven" says something like 500 and "Hell" reads 9 billion :p
 
well, if it was real, all the interesting people would be there
 
@tereško look, The God's law are flexible ... I mean a person may break a Quran's law, but it isn't the end of life .. you can repent. that's why this is wrong: "Everyone will go to hell"
 
9:59 PM
@NikiC Except me, obviously.
I'll remain on earth and annoy humanity until dawn of time.
 
@bwoebi One does not exclude the other
Maybe you will be the reason it'll be called hell in the first place
 
@bwoebi you're traveling backward through time, or you expect it to circle back around again?
 
@NikiC well, true :-P
 
"Since we can't take it out until Go 2" ...which, as everyone knows, will never happen because Go 2 is considered harmful. — Mason Wheeler 6 hours ago
 
10:01 PM
@PaulCrovella I just realized I was misusing dawn… In German "Dämmerung" is used for both when sun rises and fades…
 
@Shafizadeh well ... unless you are an atheist. Because then you go to hell: i.stack.imgur.com/COjK2.png
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user1804599
@FlorianMargaine If you use goto, will you goto hell?
 
I hate tracking down things which do not happen … and the point of supposed execution is non-deterministic…
 
@rightfold C devs are scared
 
user1804599
Haskell devs are sacred
 
10:04 PM
not this again
 
Just be an asm dev.
 
user1804599
let's throw Pascal's wager into the mix shall we
 
@rightfold is it rightfold vs leftfold or rightfold vs wrongfold?
 
user1804599
It's foldr :: forall f. (Foldable f) => (a -> b -> b) -> b -> f a -> b.
 
@tereško :-) ...! I believe both heaven and hell are two excuses that God use them to keep us in a right road ..! that's it.
 
10:06 PM
.. I guess then it means that he/she/it is keeping me on the road of atheism
:P
 
@rightfold looks Haskell-ish. Good, then I'll call you wrongfold in order to not be reminded of Haskell.
 
that would be kinda evil
it kinda reminded me about Al Pacino's monologue from "Devil's Advocate"
 
user1804599
Yummy, advocate :)
 
@tereško Why would you say that? You know, I'm always wondering why people don't care about such things? Why they simply ignore God and don't care about religious things? Why they think they always will be alive? Why they don't think to the grandeur of the universe. Don't they want to know who have made this world?!!!
 
user1804599
10:11 PM
I want to know the origin of the universe, but I don't believe in any particular theory about it until someone gives me a repeatable scientific experiment that proves such a theory. See also, Russell's teapot.
 
@Shafizadeh I wont be alive always. I wasn't alive for 14 billion years and didn't care it about then .. I wont care much about not being alive after I die either.
 
@tereško "I wont care much about not being alive after I die eithe" -- do you know what's the meaning of your sentence? It means there isn't any specific reason in the bihind of the whole of this world
 
@Shafizadeh why wouldnt you try to live as if this life is all you get. If you die and there is nothing, you have nothing to regret. If there is a god, who tells you that your best was "not good enough", is it really something that deserved to be worshiped?
 
user1804599
I'm not sure I'll always be alive. There's a pretty good chance I'll die one day, like many people have done before. Death seems to be an integral part of life.
 
Wes
🐼🔫
 
10:14 PM
@bwoebi actually I take it back, I'm not getting the recursion error now with *+, just hitting the backtracking limit .. I'm not sure what else I had at the time with it that was causing it :/
 
@tereško I don't worship anything .. I just try to be nice .. that's how Muslim works
@Wes sweet emoji by the way :-))
 
@PaulCrovella well, backtracking limit can be set higher … not sure why possessive triggers it though
 
@rightfold Do you believe death is the end of life? I mean is it the end of everything for you?
 
user1804599
I have no clue.
 
I do
 
user1804599
10:16 PM
The hard problem of consciousness is not yet solved.
 
@tereško how dare you? :-) As a programmer, you know everything has a algorithm .. and this world also has a great algorithm .. who's planning that algorithm?
 
user1804599
The body however seems to be just a plain old chemical system like any other. It's consciousness that's really interesting.
 
I have a mind. I used it to come to that conclusion.
 
@rightfold yes that's interesting
 
@Shafizadeh does it? Really? Why does this algorithm requires small children to have worms in their eyes? (don't google it, you will regret)
 
10:20 PM
@tereško I see what's your point .. suppose it's a bug :-) kidding! a great algorithm doesn't mean everything should be how you like that
 
But if everything was created by some divine being, then shouldn't everything have purpose?
 
user1804599
If such an algorithm works on a much smaller level, say the quantum level, then eye worms are just an indirect consequence of that
 
I probably should stop. For now it is better for you to be a devout Muslim.
 
@Shafizadeh The algorithm is called QFT-GR and doesn't require planning
 
:-)
 
10:24 PM
@tereško everything have purpose .. that's exactly why we care about religion things .. I don't know what's the reason of those worms in the child's eyes, but I know there is lots similar thing like the people who are born deaf, blind, mute
 
user1804599
@NikiC Did you know Shor is on Stack Exchange? :)
 
user1804599
Something only has purpose if one gives purpose to it
 
user1804599
Purpose isn't intrinsic
 
/me goes back to coding
 
@NikiC anyway an algorithm needs to be written ..!
@tereško have fun :-)
 
10:25 PM
.. it's javascript, with keyboard events :(
 
user1804599
One day I will go to Mars far far away from JS
 
yeah .. that's pretty much boring :-(
 
@tereško ultimate proof that god doesn't exist
 
@tereško woa cool. I had heard of the technique a few times but not with as much details.
 
please remind me … what exactly is arData address given an allocation base address and size? @NikiC
 
10:30 PM
@NikiC this sentence sounds funny to me .. well how exactly everything can be created by itself automatically ..!! pretty much odd for me it is ...!
 
user1804599
How can god be created by itself automatically, same question
 
@bwoebi hm?
 
user1804599
it boggles the mind.
 
@bwoebi my only guess is that the total backtracking is being retained for the entirety of a match.. at least that'd explain the difference in getting it with (?&valid)*+ while not getting it with (?&valid)(?!(?&valid))
 
Anonymous
@rightfold because it doesn't exist. Mind should be less boggled now :)
 
10:33 PM
@NikiC What do you not understand? I just don't remember right now (I'm tired too^^) how I can figure out the address of arData given the hash array allocation base address and the size of said allocation?
 
Anonymous
@Shafizadeh and your most logical answer to that question is that a magical being did it all?
 
user1804599
@JayIsTooCommon after applying Occam's razor we can pretty much conclude that the universe exists
 
@rightfold the God has not be created (he is not a body).. he has been exist from the first until ever ... (anyway I don't know English very well, usually my sentence are wrong of English perspective)
 
@PaulCrovella that's true, but why does it retain all the backtrace steps for a possessive quantifier??
 
Anonymous
@rightfold you said God, not universe.
 
user1804599
10:35 PM
I also said "same question" :)
 
user1804599
@Shafizadeh Russell's teapot
 
Anonymous
Oic :)
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Is it tasty?
 
Is arData a bucket?
 
10:36 PM
yeah, lots. :)
 
@Ekin it's the offset of the bucket array
 
just trying to troll @leftfold a little
 
@rightfold God and the world aren't the same ... you can see the world, but you cannot see God.. So they aren't identical .. the world does need to be created ... but God doesn't
 
okay
 
user1804599
Russell's teapot applies to non-physical entities as well
 
10:37 PM
@rightfold One question, do you believe there isn't any god?
 
user1804599
No, I also don't believe there is one.
 
@bwoebi I don't know. I've never grok'd the internals of pcre to fully understand the backtracking limit in the first place. I'd assume that backtracking steps should be thrown out within anything atomic, but don't know what all that'd impact
 
Anonymous
@Shafizadeh just prefix everything I say with imo - 'you cannot see God' that's because there's no such thing :)
 
@rightfold And you will not be held accountable after your death for your actions that you've done in this world?
 
user1804599
I believe in the existence God once someone provides a repeatable experiment that proves the existence of God. I believe in the absence of god once someone provides a repeatable experiment that proves the absence of God.
 
Anonymous
10:39 PM
Imo - there's no such thing as religion, just the hope for salvation
 
@JayIsTooCommon :-)
 
user1804599
@Shafizadeh I don't know. After applying a simple correction to Pascal's wager, chances are equal no matter what you believe.
 
@NikiC ah … size = (32 + 4) * t => offset = base + 4 * t … … so, offset = base + size / 9 … all fine
 
@rightfold can you provide a repeatable experiment proving the absence of leprechauns?
 
user1804599
I don't know what leprechauns is, sorry.
 
user1804599
10:42 PM
Ah, a sprite.
 
@JayIsTooCommon well this theory is not fair .. if someone kills someone else, and nobody knows that. Then doesn't this world need a tribunal to punish the killer?
 
user1804599
Right now I don't have such an experiment, so no I can't.
 
user1804599
Such sprites may very well exist. I don't know and I'm completely indifferent.
 
user1804599
Not all proofs have to be constructive.
 
user1804599
10:44 PM
You can prove by contradiction.
 
are you people still at it?
 
user1804599
Why not? Philosophy is fun.
 
Anonymous
@Shafizadeh there's so many things wrong with that statement/question
 
@rightfold no one said they had to be
 
10:45 PM
agreed, it's better to end this topic .. I don't know English very well, So I cannot tell what I want in English .. it hurts me :-( So I'm out
 
@PaulCrovella I'd assume that too … but … I think the only person(s?) really able to answer is PCRE maintainer
 
Was there an initial statement?
 
@Shafizadeh here is the fun part: many native-speakers english have the same exact problem as you
 
Anonymous
@Shafizadeh the 'world' doesn't punish anything. You're personifying a rotating piece of rock. And killing is only seen as a bad thing because we made it a bad thing, in the natural world it's no big deal.
 
@tereško :-)
 
10:47 PM
what probably would need more is not a larger vocabulary but some experience in debating people (and it's something that one has to learn)
 
Anonymous
But yeah there's nerds like @bwoebi trying to have real discussions here ;) so this isn't really the best time to have long drawn out conversation that due to the subject, will bare no conclusive ending :)
 
@JayIsTooCommon I'm not annoyed in the slightest ;o)
 
Anonymous
Ik ;) Was just using you as an example
 
Anonymous
I like the conclusion of I'm right and everyone else who disagrees is wrong, but that never goes down well
 
Hmm... Anyone know how to do bcrypt in MySQL? Need to migrate an old md5 unsalted DB
I just don't want to use my own salt :-\
 
10:50 PM
there is no shortcut
 
@JayIsTooCommon Hah .. killing people isn't a big deal? what about stealing people's money? Is it fine either?
 
@Shafizadeh that is very much not what Jay said
 
> in the natural world
 
oh .. well sorry .. I don't know English .. so usually I get wrong mean
sorry guys
 
meh, now you're exagerating
 
10:51 PM
It would be better to stop talking about God anymore:-)
 
you usually understand such sentences. just read it a second time, I'm sure you can manage it
 
@Shafizadeh his point was that "physical rules" do not contain "morality"
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I hope so
@tereško yes I got it now
 
it was boring point :(
true, but boring
 
Anonymous
oo you were nearly not a dick for a second @tereško ;)
 
Anonymous
10:54 PM
Anyway why am I awake - until tomorrow o/ G'night
 
nn @JayIsTooCommon :-)
 
@Shafizadeh killing someone is bad. But not always. Killing in self-defense or killing to save someone is good. But not always. Morality is not a "write and wrong" thing. It's a spectrum.
 
right and wrong do you mean?
 
shit
I' not even gonna edit that. It's 2AM and I am tired
 
10:59 PM
@tereško are you thinking English in sounds?
 
@tereško anyway I'm just trying to say, there are lots of injustices, oppressions ... and this world need to has a judge to consider all that things .. we call it God
 
@bwoebi errrm, shouldn't that be base minus? maybe I misread it though
 
@Ekin no, base is the address malloc() returned
 
@bwoebi I am just thinking. I tend to misspell word in Latvian too in a similar way.
 
is this ok for generating a nonce for Content Security Policy? $hash = hash('sha256', str_random(100), true);
 
11:01 PM
@joshhunt the hashing is useless
 
how come?
 
you bytes are already random, why do you hash them extra?
 
oh you are right, I was getting it confused with the CSP hash option
other than that does it look ok?
Actually I probably copied the hash from here: stackoverflow.com/a/4145848/1661462
My other question is can CSP nonces be used multiple times on a page? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes but I can't seem to find any documentation on it
 
@joshhunt that makeRandomString was before random_bytes() and using mersenne twister…
@joshhunt don't know right now
 
so.. I guess I should try and find a library that does it for me?
 
11:10 PM
> If a server delivers a nonce-source expression as part of a policy, the server MUST generate a unique value each time it transmits a policy. The generated value SHOULD be at least 128 bits long (before encoding), and SHOULD be generated via a cryptographically secure random number generator in order to ensure that the value is difficult for an attacker to predict.
 
right so I have to generate it on every page load (which I'm doing) but what I can't find is whether I can or can't use one nonce multiple times on the same page (e.g. on multiple <scripts>)
 
I have no idea. I was quoting that mainly wrt the makeRandomString function, which is definitely not cryptographic
 
it does work using it multiple times so I am pretty sure you can use it multiple times but I can't find any spec to double-check that it is going to stay that way
ok that makes sense, so I need to find a cryptographically secure random number generator function
 

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