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16:00
"Traits are a useful tool - when you find a reason to use one its a clear indication you have fucked up something in your architecture" #php
Bastard, 2 minutes :P
user924016
lol
user924016
A standoff with a kitchen-knife wielding crab is probably the best thing you will watch today. https://t.co/JRbpUqb8yo
@bwoebi yup, I think that says it all
16:02
:-D
@ircmaxell @ciaranmcnulty Such BS.
@RonniSkansing Your crab has nothing against my crow! media.dumpert.nl/foto/1657f6a5_shank_e1452957957660.jpg.jpg
user924016
Shit I loves crows
/me checks link
well, TBH, most of my generic observations come with a built in flame-bait
user924016
16:06
@DamienOvereem very cool!
@DamienOvereem lol at the protection...
Wes
Wes
16:19
i always forget that i should avoid mentioning traits in here :P
Sends link to webpage that contains my CV. Recruiter asks if I have it in an easier to use format.
@kelunik That was intentional ;-D
@Danack they're saying you suck at css
@PaulCrovella no, they're saying "I can't edit the info"
16:39
@Wes Feel free to mention it in a Laravel room, everyone will tell you how awesome they are and how it helps them get work done quickly
@Jimbo are they the touch of magic, or the breath of fresh air?
Breath of fresh something :)
There's nothing like array_map just for keys, right?
@kelunik no
17:07
/me pokes head in
@JoeWatkins /me pushes head out
Wait, that looks like I meant my head. Doh
/me pokes head in and shakes it all about
Good afternoon, any good repos with login and session management?
@TiagoMatos jQuery
17:14
@tereško Thanks for this
Anonymous
damn, where is that cakephp savvy guy?
@samayo hell
oooooh buuurrn ...
haha
(I'm using that right, aren't I ?)
17:16
nice pun ;)
hehe
we used to have serious conversations in here ... remember that ??
Anonymous
@Jimbo hehe
@JoeWatkins Err... nope? :D
Maybe that was before I came in....
perhaps if you weren't so high all the time @Jimbo !!
LOL
@PeeHaa's fault
17:19
yeah ... shut up @PeeHaa
I got a branch of my own thing here (phpdbg), half baked ... the branch is ... and I got nowhere to commit it ...
php-src is like a graveyard for good ideas ... we suck ... we suck so hard ...
graveyard? why?
I'm just annoyed that nobody is working on union types…
wait, I know how to fix it, we need a code or conduct and then we can move on to other bike-sheds
pretty difficult to collaborate on phpdbg now @bwoebi
I got a branch here nearly ready to go, wants another pair of eyes is all, but I can't commit it to php-src, because I'll get moaned at ... and there isn't anywhere else to put it because the repo is broke for 7 ...
17:23
@JoeWatkins yea… and I'll not have too much time until in two weeks
@JoeWatkins I happily review it
/me has the impression that php-src is filled with people with heads up their own asses ... each willing to push only their own favourite thing
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@tereško you're talking about several people in this room ...
then take it as a criticism from the "faceless masses of ordinary php users"
@tereško oh, that's obvious … Or more like … things we feel necessary for moving the language forward
with the exception of dmitry, and stas, everyone who actually does stuff frequents this room ...
Anonymous
17:25
@tereško that is what interests me about being a contributer
@JoeWatkins and Anatol and Xinchen
but yes.
You gotta have a huge ego to think that you can make PHP better.
oh yeah, and those two ... especially anatol, he does loads ...
xinchen used too ... not sure what he's doing now, think he's focused on zend (company) stuff ...
Xinchen is working also on new optimization ideas etc. … just not every idea goes through :-/
@JoeWatkins I think in phpdbg you can usually just commit whatever you want
The important part is not trying to discuss it
:P
17:29
Remember back then when Derick … you know.
last time I committed a branch to php-src, for something in php-src (not phpdbg) xinchen moaned at me ...
@JoeWatkins push to your github?
@JoeWatkins in a good way or in a bad way?
@bwoebi oh yeah ... I didn't think of that ...
@JoeWatkins Oh yeah, no branches of course
17:31
I'll commit it to mine and ping you, if you could take a look in the next few days that'd be great bob :)
@tereško hehe, in a bad way ...
Ah, reddit found a new piece of coc drama
staying well away from that ...
the response makes me sad ...
if I say anything at all, I'm involved in the conversation ... not worth it ... it's a stupid conversation ...
@JoeWatkins I actually think that the response in that thread is for once not entirely unreasonable
hold on hold on, these things happened ... can you think of a way to say to a stranger at a conference, not on a date night, "would you like a sampling of relaxation techniques?" without it coming of as extremely creepy ? can you imagine any female close to you being able to shrug that off as if it didn't matter ?
@NikiC the solution is clear - wee need separate conferences for male and female developers
17:39
@JoeWatkins The only way I can imagine that is if somehow the topic has already come up.
no we just need to recognize that it's a professional setting, you wouldn't do that at work ...
@JoeWatkins to me it sounds like a simple try to flirting, nothing serious
you can't do that ...
it's not the place
Well, there's no accurate discussion or reflection of the topic without full context, which the piece fails to give.
@bwoebi ... almost as if there are socially inept people among developers .. who would have guessed
17:40
but even if we assume nothing else happened, I don't find that to be acceptable behaviour at a conference ...
@JoeWatkins I think that this is the important sentence: "And when the women refused the man did not continue or push."
For example, I took a couple of massage classes in college. if somehow the topic had come up, I might mention that fact, though I would be hard-pressed to think of a reason why, at a professional conference, I would then offer to demonstrate such techniques.
we've no idea how exactly these things went down... that they were reported indicates someone who was there felt they were creepy enough to report - and things were handled
@NikiC I rather think it a problem that he asked in the first place ...
Being open and vague is dangerous when discussing the reputation of others. I don't see any point in trying to come up with any sort of reaction when there's no specifics to gauge an accurate story
17:42
@jbafford because you thought you were really funny ... or your friend talkked you into that
can either take it at face value or try to imagine scenarios to work ourselves up about
@PaulCrovella Of course, it depends on context. But that blog post definitely won't be helping the current discussion.
@tereško someone else, maybe. I can't honestly say I know anyone at these things well enough that I would attempt to joke about that.
we can't guess what happened ...
@jbafford that's the problem with subjective perspective based on (somewhat biased) interpretation in a blog post
17:44
evenin'
Right. I can only guess what I might have done in an even vaguely similar situation.
It makes me no fun, but I'd rather err on the side of no fun than have someone tap me on the shoulder and say "dude, knock it off".
... then again, I have never actually been to a fucking conference, because those things usually have costs in same order of magnitude as salary in Latvia
I'm socially awkward. I don't get a lot of normal people things. If I'm doing something that merits a "dude, knock it off" I really would appreciate someone tapping me on the shoulder to tell me.
Me: so you're a programmer at a conference, and a stranger asks you "..." ?
Partner: creepy as fuck, did they get kicked out ?
it doesn't feel acceptable to either of us ... you wouldn't expect to get that at work ...
@PaulCrovella Well, I'd rather get the tap on the shoulder and be corrected, than continue to do something inappropriate without being sanctioned until it blows up into a big thing. But I'd rather even more to not have done something warranting shoulder-tapping in the first place.
17:50
yes, of course
honestly... people occasionally have lapses in judgement. Sometimes all they need is that tap on the shoulder, and they immediately correct and stop doing that thing.
it would be just as creepy the other way around ... I couldn't handle that ... I'd probably run away ...
I don't think it's a lapse of judgement, it's a different attitude I think ... that's not something that slips out or just happens ...
I really only thing you need to make a big thing of it if they do something egregious, or if it's something that's repeatedly happened that they haven't stopped after being taken aside and warned before.
It's the repetition that makes it creepy - if 2 attendee's brought it up how many others were propositioned but said nothing? It's a conference not a nightclub ffs
by the time it's happened once, it's too late ... surely it is preferable to create the kind of atmosphere where these things just aren't done because they're not socially acceptable to anyone ...
17:54
Special thx to everyone who helped me! I finally got today.4egtv.net to be mobile friendly... took me to using "EM" instead of "px" - so I could change the constant based off of orientation. Thank you all!
@JoeWatkins well, that's sort of the problem. I would never do that, and if I did, I would feel far, far worse about it personally if someone called me on it than any reasonable penalty one could apply. (ISTM that's possibly what happened in the fourth report, but the report is so vague it's hard to tell if the guy restricted himself to his room, or if that was an organizer request.)
But, the same can't be said for other people, and the rules can't be written assuming everyone has the best intentions always.
if you aim for near perfect, even with maximum success, you can never attain perfection ... perfection is these things not happening, so by whatever means that's where you need to aim ...
@JoeWatkins it has worked well for Christianity :D
"if you step over the line, you'll be told off" doesn't really stop anything from happening ... what stops it is drawing the line clearly in the sand, and bringing about a change in attitude for the majority of people, so that they all, like us will treat these events as professional environments ...
sounds like a deep philosophical debate going on here...
18:02
@JustinKaz just the usual CoC bike shed
@JoeWatkins I disagree, but in that "if you step over the line, you'll be told off" can never been the only restriction, and the strength of the violation needs to be taken in context.
ask php users what they think about union types - you will hear very few voices; ask them about CoC and everyone will have an opinion
Like, if I playfully punch someone in the shoulder, and someone calls me out on it, and my reaction is to never do that again, and also call out other people who do similar, that reduces the frequency by which that sort of thing will happen (either by me and/or the other person not doing it again, or by bystanders seeing that admonishment and not doing similar themselves).
In that case, it's more a matter of, gradual improvement without making a huge stink out of anything.
"offering a private sampling of relaxation techniques" huh, that must be new
18:06
@jbafford but you also will become a lot less likely to talk to that person
@tereško which person? But I also think how admonishment is given goes a long way in providing positive correction.
@Ekin it sound like first google hit from "ten lame pickup phrases"
indeed
we should ban all forms of physical contact ... I think ...
@jbafford the person you "playfully punched on the shoulder" and was told "stop touching me" ... you example was bad. It's a really fast way to loose any potential friends
18:08
it's creepy, but also somewhat funny
@JoeWatkins No handshakes for you
I don't know what the solutions are ... but I'm saddened that the most upvoted answer ends with "what did the guy have to apologize for?" ... and even more saddened that there is sympathy for that view in this room ...
I don't understand why anyone would say that. It was pretty clear from the description that the guy had something to apologize for.
I had a similar experience at global game jam that caused me to never attend it personally again. That's the worst can happen I guess
then people ask why the event lacks diversity
not sure if that's so common though
doesn't matter if it's common ... it matters what we find acceptable ...
18:12
yeah agreed
for as long as a majority think it might be okay to try and pick up members of the other sex, or whatever, so long as you stop when you are asked ... it will continue to happen ...
you are talking strictly about conferences .. right ?
lol, yeah
@PaulCrovella As Florian said, they like to edit stuff before sending it to clients. It also means that they can't send it to a client without that client theoretically being able to contact me directly.
@Danack that's not as funny though
18:16
Lets consider them both to be true then.
@JoeWatkins you were leaving out that clarification and I was starting to go : i.imgur.com/MH7UeDW.jpg
and then there is this couple I know who got married recently that first met in a tech conference a few years ago
but that's none of my business
.. which is why people keep trying
@Ekin yeah, I was going to say, that's going to be the exception that proves the rule.
yeah
still that's not even close to the real purpose of event
18:20
Deploy to live right before leaving for the night
what could possibly go wrong?
Though I think there's a difference between going to a tech conference looking for that, and going to a tech conference, and that just happens to happen.
I really don't see anyone paying $1000+ just for a chance of meeting programmer "boy"/"girl" in a conference
well, I think it's more the attitude, "I'm going to this thing, and I intend to get laid."
@Ekin I know plenty of couples who met at work too, but they weren't trying to play grab-ass in the first two days.
yeah I guess one cannot simply guess what might occur between two person with different sex
18:23
Intent makes the distinction very clear
or same sex. Let's not forget that there are gay people that attend these things.
you're right , indeed
@jbafford that type of person should be too dumb to be a developer
@tereško And yet, they exist.
I've worked with my share of people who simply could not code their way out of a paper bag, and yet that was their job.
If we're looking for inclusiveness, we should probably be against any rules that are written in a way to assume that people will only be hitting on people of the other gender. (And that's even before you throw in people who don't identify with any particular gender.)
so, basically, CoC is trying to make laws against stupid people ... because that solution has such a good track-record
18:27
@tereško but that's every law ever
not really
the point of laws or rules isn't to discriminate against the mentally deficient. It's to set and enforce certain customs, and the rules need to be written down and enforced so everyone understands what is expected, and also so the good actors aren't screwed over by the bad actors who could claim "but I didn't know", or, "you don't have that rule written down"
(with copious amounts of handwaving, since the intent of some laws is clearly contrary to that idealism)
@tereško CoC for conferences tend to exist to protect the conference, not the attendees
unfortunately, real laws also come with certain protections for the accused
@Machavity true .. or more precisely - the conference organisers
Dan just leveled up! +26% to salary! Unlocked investment matching! Unlocked extended medical coverage!
18:33
@NorthbornDesign congrats
@NorthbornDesign But no dental? :P
@Machavity (it's a sub perk to the medical coverage trait)
@NorthbornDesign that's pretty nice
I wonder how long until we see someone who has a bone to pick with code of conducts attempts to maneuver a conference into a bad position and then try and bring some sort of legal action on them because of inconsistent enforcement or something.
Grats tho. Nice benefits
18:34
(note: I'm in Canada, so our crappy health care is generally free anyway, but drugs/optical/oral get expensive)
@NorthbornDesign What % of your income do you pay in taxes tho?
@jbafford that could actually be done by either advocates or detractors
I wonder how many of these codes of conduct have been looked at by lawyers.
.. and reason probably would be "having a bone to pick with one of organizers"
18:37
@jbafford Not sure that matters. In stuff like this, the focus tends to be on the "environment" and feelings of "safety"
@jbafford which is why I found this version really nice:
@Machavity lol, whoops. I was thinking the wrong number altogether; 20.5%
Did you foster an unsafe environment? Did they feel uncomfortable even after reporting the incident? Did they feel your response was insufficient?
@tereško hah
@tereško There is a "fucking law"?
18:38
@NikiC If there is I probably break it all the time :-/
I guess it all depends on how the report is handled
in my case I had no choice but leave and never attend again cause it was the effing organizer
@Ekin ew. that sucks.
it also depends on the environment: if the thing looks like a party, people act like they are in a party
@Ekin ok, that's just really creepy
yeah.. he first offered me a job as a game developer then things basically got very ugly cause he chased me the next day and asked me out in front of the professor I was assisting
sry i am developing jquery plugin
18:51
.. it also doesn't sound like he was drunk .. jeez
headdesk
but I feel like this is a rare one
in general the disturbance is not that high level, I guess..I hope
so after that, if someone would tell me that they want to offer me some relaxation techniques I'd probably burst into laughter
.. or a blank stare, followed by facepalm
yeah
make_snafucated() { /* make snafucated */ }
18:56
@Ekin I'd like to offer you a relaxation technique. It's called discussing tension with a medical professional and taking any advice they give you. I would not be able to participate any further in this endeavour, as I'm not a medical professional. Have a nice day. ;-)
hah, that's a fricking good plot twist :)
I'm good at avoiding tension with some husky cuteness
although he's more like this now already
So far, my interactions with women who are actual software developers have been a teacher at college, who was pretty good (though she didn't like PHP, she pushed .NET on us as much as possible), and another developer who was on a different team and set of projects so I never had a reason to interact with her directly... It seems, looking back, that they both had to prove themselves more than their peers had to. But, this is just my anecdote and I realize that anecdote is just one story...
Does this observation match what's actually going on, or am I just seeing a trend from too few data points?
19:14
From my experience, that really depends. Attitude of one can easily limit another persons gender-specific considerations and judgements. Although there are tons of scumbags with a huge ego over their gender or people who were born and raised with strict and wrong thoughts over gender and now have a totally closed thought processes.
Is there any reason not to use $this to call a static member of self?
potential confusion, but I think otherwise, instance calls to static methods are fine.
I read it as "confession", before noticing that you might be talking to a tiny-avatar
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19:23
@PaulCrovella I wonder, does this apply to CLang code too?
@jbafford The most obvious one that comes to mind is all of the $this->assert* assertions promoted by PHPUnit
All those assertions are static methods
But everyone is encouraged to call them using $this
In some languages that would be impossible
@PaulCrovella You can avoid this security flaw by setting your iOS date to Jan 1, 1970 and rebooting
fuck, I have to buy apple now?
@QuolonelQuestions I'm just guessing here, but because it's something that works in PHP, one might encourage that because it allow defining the functions as static to explicitly indicate that they don't require $this, and yet have it continue to work if the functions ever need to be redefined to no longer be static.
I suppose so
19:31
someone who understands internals better than I might be able to comment; but in many other languages, $this is an implicit parameter actually passed as the first parameter to a function. In PHP, it's a separate field that's not part of the parameter list.
I started to ponder it because I recently installed an IDE extension that offers warnings if you do this. I don't know why whoever authored the extension really considered it to be so bad, though
@tereško don't think so
19:53
@tereško CLang?
@FlorianMargaine C compiler that BSD distros use
@tereško ah, this clang
I don't see how the bug is related to clang
it's in glibc
@PaulCrovella why do you trust glibc? That's obviously why you have your own dns client (amphp/dns) :-P
posted on February 16, 2016 by nlecointre

/* by Metrakit */

Kez
Kez
hey guys how can i change this to utf8: echo json_encode($db->getOne ("vacancies"));
20:07
Nice, PHP is doing it again. Error: Allowed memory size of 1073741824 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 7598805623994449952 bytes)
Can't we set mysql query result into $_SESSION variable & fetch it in some other php page?
What I am doing is:
function() //It's a method in a class
{
$result = $db->conn->query($sql);
return $result;
}

In controller I have:
$_SESSION['searchResult'] = $result;
session_write_close();
header("Location: ../SearchResult.php");

And lastly in SearchResult.php page
$response = $_SESSION['searchResult'];

//Some Operation on $response

It says: Warning: main(): Couldn't fetch mysqli_result _ _ _ _
@jbafford note that * is not equal to **
@Saurabh you might want to give us your full error message.
@bwoebi :P
@Saurabh Query results are resources
I did this:
$response = $_SESSION['searchResult'];
print_r($_SESSION['searchResult']);

And error says:
mysqli_result Object
Warning: print_r(): Couldn't fetch mysqli_result in C:\Program Files (x86)\EasyPHP-DevServer-14.1VC11\data\localweb\projects\TDTB\Control\SearchResult.php on line 10

Warning: print_r(): Property access is not allowed yet in C:\Program Files (x86)\EasyPHP-DevServer-14.1VC11\data\localweb\projects\TDTB\Control\SearchResult.php on line 10

( [current_field] => [field_count] => [lengths] => [num_rows] => [type] => )
20:12
Or rather, query results are objects that depend on an open link with an active DB connection. When a script ends, it releases that resource for reuse, so any dependency on that resource is broken and the query result is invalid.
Instead, pull the results out row by row and put it into a serializable structure before redirecting the user.
Or, even better... stop trying to get fancy with storing weird data structures in your session.
@Ghedipunk Okay...!
Actually, what I wanted to do is...
User types a 'searchKey' and hits enter -> This is passed to the controller -> Controller calls the appropriate model to fetch the search results & passes it to the controller-> Finally controller passes it back to View

So, can u suggest a better way to achieve this?
If "pull the results out row by row and put it into a serializable structure before redirecting the user." This is the only way...?
If possible can i get a link for good example of this?
@Ghedipunk I too don't want to use session for such purpose, but I don't know any other way how to pass large amount of data from one php page to another. (POST method requires use of curl... and I don't want to use it)
20:28
Alright, so, a bit of redefining, because your definition of terms don't seem to match my definitions. (I'm guessing you're using Symfony or a similar framework that pretends to know what MVC means). Here are my definitions: Model: Suite of several layers of logic that handle persistence of data, including business logic to validate that data. Definitely not an ORM.
View: The code responsible for displaying data to the user. Definitely not just a template. Controller: The code responsible for handling user input. Definitely not the driving force of every single interaction with the user, especially when the user just wants to see something.
Also, web apps use routers to decide which view to use. So, from that, your form would be posted, and the controller logic will handle the data submission, either indicating to the router that something's invalid, or committing it to the model.
Then, if the submission is valid, the router then renders the view, which takes the data from the model directly.
In Symfony terms... the new page's controller would do another new DB query, rather than re-use the query from the previous redirected-from page.
And I'm late for a meeting... I realize this doesn't address your specific use case, but it's something to mull over to perhaps find a way to refactor your system to separate out some of the different layers' concerns a bit and make extending this a bit easier.
I wonder, who could I coerce in proofreading my README.md ...
@tereško url?
/me goes back to cooking up similar file for the HTTP lib
20:53
@tereško see PR
is it "a URI" or "an URI"?
'A yurry'
In this case, the sound is a y, and is treated as a consonant - because of reasons.
that's another description I've seen, on a meta answer I can't find anymore
@jbafford thanks. Merged.
20:59
that url claims it's because "URI" has a long U sound, and so use a. (e.g. use an for short uses, as in 'an unfortunate tragedy'). But same thing, basically.
@jbafford ....it's not a long U....imo.
shrugs
English is weird. Let's just write more code. :)
/off to eat a Norange
/whilst wearing a napron
@Danack you are eye
@PaulCrovella Nah, you pronounce it as one word - like HTTP is pronounced huh-ter-ter-per
21:06
and PHP as ffffp
What's a way to say "I look forward to hearing from you, so long as that it is in the far distance future" but 'slightly' more subtle than that?
(need something to sign off an email).
"I hope this solves any problems you may have. If, in the future, you need further assistance, please let me know."
putting URGENT at the top generally does it for me
21:13
are bones really grey on the inside?
or is some discolouration due to the accident?
X-rays work by measuring the amount of xray that makes it through the finger and onto the xray sensor on the other side.
Morning
looks like his finger saved those magnets from breaking, so that's a plus
The relative coloring is how much made it through. The lighter the color, the more the material blocked the xray. Bones are denser, so they block more xrays than the surrounding flesh/skin.
no, I mean in the last picture
I assume the grey bit is the bone
21:16
I think that's pus blood and dead tissue
grey bit where?
dark grey part in the middle
with the two lines coming out? That's a suture anchor point
oh
that could explain it
.. sorry to everyone else .. there are lot of medical doctors in my family tree .. I am a bit desensitised to body-horror type of things
heh
so, one of my cousins was in .. Africa? Asia? for Doctors Without Borders. So he saw (and took photos of) a lot of grizzly stuff. Then gave us a slideshow two years ago. After a baby shower. And a huge meal.
21:21
@tereško What's "your family tree" ?
ouch
Usually, I'd have been fine, after a half hour of medical photros I didn't actually have an interest in seeing, plus being somewhat overstuffed from dinner, I had to disappear for a few minutes to keep it all down.
@jbafford I'd say that was the best decision possible; can't ruin an appetite if you're already full.
checking images for the journal of bone and joint surgery was always a later afternoon kinda thing
knees were the worst
Your regular reminder that it's incredibly irresponsible to use C or C++. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go work on the Zend Engine
21:27
@Andrea Rust FTW
@ircmaxell I've really got to try Rust some day.
yes you do
Rewrite in Rust ALL THE THINGS!
I've been meaning to learn Swift. Alternated between not having anything to do with it, and not running the current version of Mac OS X so I could use a current version of Xcode that would talk to my iPhone.
@Andrea if I ws still working on PHP, I'd rewrite the zend engine in RUST
21:29
@ircmaxell I thought you very mainly a Go fan? :-)
@ircmaxell but alas, you are not still working on PHP
combining Rust semantics with goroutines and Go classes? :-D
21:32
Call it Gust 🍃
G(h)ost?
reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/464j74/… "Also, more than six times as much code is XSLT as is PHP." Wow, it's painful to just read that sentence.
@NikiC the PHP is minified...
btw, @jbafford, regarding that README file: were there any bits that were confusing and should be either rewritten or explained in more detail?
@Andrea oh god, I didn't even get that far
Why the freaking hell would you minify PHP code?!
21:37
At least not encoded with eaccelerator…
@tereško I figured it all out, but took awhile to figure out what you meant with the silent parameters section (which is why there's a second commit that completely rewords it)
@NikiC Because whitespace is distracting.
ugh... so I started, and finished, the expanse first season tonight. the face hurts, and I suddenly want to shave the left side of my head.
"Actually, my application only has a single line of code."
21:38
A line with 1M characters :P
@NikiC Some stupid editors will be extremely slow with that…
yeah, well ... I didn't really know how else to describe those. It's one of those features that are "found" instead of being intentionally "designed"
@jbafford Yes, but I favor en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge. Everything looks ASCII85 encoded.
Gotta love a language with a crazy operation.
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@NikiC to prevent people discovering your secrets!
21:42
@tereško yeah. Actually, that helped me figure out what that section was trying to say. Once I figured it out, though I explicitly removed that comment from the description in the reword. The feature may have been unintentional, but that's irrelevant to end-users and can be confusing. (It's unintentional... does that make it unreliable? Should I expect it to be "fixed" and go away in the future?)
It's not going away. It's really useful.
@Ghedipunk I try to make php better but often I make it worse
see: return types
yeah, I assumed as much. And it is a useful feature. But language like "unexpected" calls that into question.
noted
@Andrea nope
@bwoebi I am, but I'm also a fan of right tool for the job. And Rust is far better for that sort of thing than Go would be
21:48
what in particular are you enjoying about rust?
I like the model (proof based rather than 'we'll try anyway')
maybe I should stop doing PHP, ugh
I need to get myself to finish the two RFCs I'm currently dealing with
list() keys needs test-cases and a language specification patch
the invalid numeric strings RFCs needs a language specification patch and to go to a vote
posted on February 16, 2016 by nlecointre

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oh and I should finish the job with list(). get [] done
@Andrea +1. [$value1, $value2] = $array; > list($value1, $value2) = $array;

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