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12:05 AM
Mornings
 
Ok so one issue was the fact my code on the previous page was GET and not POST. Now I need to fix the following error:

1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ''user_name', 'password', 'isadmin') VALUES ('testZ', 'lol', '1')' at line 1
 
well check it
 
Thanks :) And morning @PeeHaa!
 
didn't change form in op to POST
 
Sorry didn't think it was necessary. Changing now
 
12:16 AM
Why are you putting all the information from the form in the link on submit?
 
Because as it's an admin only section of the site and only really myself would be accessing that section I thought it'd be easier for me to be able to add accounts manually via the link rather than going through to the create account page however I've now changed it to POST.
 
Mornings..
 
12:37 AM
I'm starting to get the sense that recruiters are linkedin's worst enemy. I mean these guys must be their worst spammers. Worst thing is they know how to get past captcha :p
 
I'm trying to do a sort but can't figure out how to sort 100% the way I want.
This ORDER BY ontheway_destinations.arrivaltime, priority='High' DESC, priority='Medium' DESC, priority='Low' DESC works except
I want the data that has None for the arrival time to go at the bottom of the list
 
@benlevywebdesign ORDER BY ontheway_destinations.arrivaltime = 'None', ontheway_destinations.arrivaltime ...
 
Hmmm...
that didn't work or maybe I did it wrong
I had to do 00:00 just like in my db and it worked
 
12:53 AM
Well you said None. You never said anything about it matching 00:00.
 
Becaue I didn't think I had to put 00:00
lol
 
You do if you want it to match 00:00
I took it as a string literal. Clearly what you have is a an actual time field.
 
What if I want to sort the data that has 00:00 by the priority now so that low goes on top in sort order...
 
"Low" would go on top in that sort order.
It's your last sort criteria.
 
It put the two medium 00:00's that I have above the one low one. but that is actually how I want it
because medium is more important
Now I just have to work out the A.M. and P.M. parts I don't want to use 24 hour time
 
1:03 AM
Why? You like pain?
 
no...
I just don't like 24 hour time
is it a pain to work with...
 
It's a pain not to work with it.
I think what you mean to say is "I don't like reading 24 hour time", not "I don't want to use 24 hour time".
Which is fine since formatting for the user interface is trivial and not at all important to what's stored in your database.
 
I don't like to use it or see it
 
Why don't you like to use it? You enjoy pain?
 
1:10 AM
So then clearly you don't not like to use it ;)
 
anyways
brb
 
1:38 AM
morning o/
 
@bwoebi You still haven't made a case for it really.
You just stated something.
We have LogicException for things like $max < $min
 
@LeviMorrison which is the old system…
 
There is no old system, bob.
 
It'd be today a LogicError.
 
1:43 AM
It wasn't deprecated.
This is yet one more reason why these Errors
 
@LeviMorrison I don't say I like that… Agreeing with you…
 
So why are we proposing this for the random_bytes API?
 
just saying,that it really is waht Errors should be for…
 
no?
 
1:45 AM
We have exactly one exception to this rule (unless I've missed something recently): Errors happen at compile time.
That exception is TypeError.
Which absolutely 100% should not be an Error.
 
why shouldn't that be an Eroor?
 
It's a runtime issue.
All other Errors are compile time.
 
type errors are discovered at run-time, yes. But actually you could statically analyze that if there were such a tool.
 
Not always.
 
It depends on how smart the analyzer is.
 
1:48 AM
Anyway, I would prefer to keep Error for parse and compile time issues only.
 
yeah, by that logic…
 
As of yet nobody has provided a solid reason for changing that.
(not that I've seen)
(admittedly been very very busy)
I'm still bummed you guys wouldn't help me revert all exceptions in the core except things that were previously fatals :/
We really needed more time to fix this exceptions mess.
I am quite certain we will never get that chance again.
 
@LeviMorrison hmm? what do you mean with reverting these exceptions?
don't know… at least that's how I understood Error… errors in the code. Exceptions are for things you can't predict by just looking at the code. They purely depend on external factors.
 
@bwoebi TypeError is not always predictable by analysis.
@bwoebi A while back I proposed it and nobody was interested.
 
@LeviMorrison by pure type analysis? no. If you respect values, though…
 
1:53 AM
@bwoebi People hydrate types based on columns in a database.
 
@LeviMorrison I mean revert what exactly?
 
Very well within the realms of "runtime"
@bwoebi TypeError and anything else that previously was not a fatal.
 
@LeviMorrison I'm not into that sorcery.
@LeviMorrison you mean revert to catchable fatals?
 
@bwoebi They would still be Exceptions (or Errors) but no TypeErrors at this stage.
 
why?
 
1:55 AM
For time.
To properly fix our exceptions mess and plan for a future with exceptions in core.
I think I might be done with internals, honestly. I've just gotten too busy to maintain the level of activity I would like and nobody seems to value foresight and real, hard, collaborative planning.
 
I agree that we should have a proper plan here. Not sure about reverting though…
 
Not at this stage.
Way too many changes now and we're in RC…
I think we really need a big plan for 8.
Very planned out and heavily discussed.
We need to decide the long term plan for PHP and work towards it.
This room has done some wonderful things for PHP, undoubtably.
 
@LeviMorrison I'm not often engaging into the discussions too… A bit tired how internals is working sometimes… Don't know, but I sometimes get that urge to yell "If you have no idea what you're talking about, ask someone to get it explained, discuss and then put your remaining points to internals…" … Internals is not the place for the most trivial explanations or 10000 hours of bikeshedding.
 
I just don't think we can make the sort of impact I think PHP needs if we keep on the current route and development style .
@bwoebi Yes. It's very tiring.
 
Sure, bikeshedding is needed, explaining too, but please, do that in a smaller circle
Find a few people and get a common point
It's tiring when 20 people want 5 different things for 15 different reasons.
</internals-rant>
 
2:03 AM
Exactly.
 
I don't get these people who want to discuss everything on internals… There's no gain in it.
 
I think we need a bigger plan
 
Yeah, we need to decide where to head to with the Exceptions, when they should be used and when it's better to fail open in general. And when Exception / Error is appropriate…
And I'm getting a crisis if we bother too much with BC about Error/Exception for 7.1.
 
maybe a smaller team would also help
less back and forth between people
 
@ThomasAlbrighton Smaller, more dedicated group.
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2:08 AM
@ThomasAlbrighton yeah, no, yes. As I said, discuss in smaller circles. Don't debate all together in 150-mail-threads.
A smaller team not necessarily finds all the issues.
 
even if you debate something in a small group as soon as it gets to a point where everyone can see and talk about it, they will and you have you large debates again
 
Anyway the whole mess started with BaseException being introduced… sigh…
@ThomasAlbrighton We're debating for quite some time in this chat… Worked well for the last few years.
A chat is quite ideal for these means of discussing.
The mailing list should be rather discuss around a few problematic points, do it and not going in round circles. If it does, step back and discuss again in small circle.
Anyway… this chat is very important to get the RFCs right before putting to internals… the less internals has to complain, the better…
 
@bwoebi internals sounds like a nightmare
 
@ThomasAlbrighton not that bad, but yes, it's bad.
 
Anonymous
2:25 AM
The meaning of funny must have changed since the last time I read it
 
@bwoebi I assume code coverage with phpdbg on phpunit is still in development? I noticed a lot of things not being marked as covered and dead code not being marked as dead.
 
@AnmolRaghuvanshi ha how have I never seen that
 
@Trowski there's no dead code inspection with phpdbg
@Trowski and what's not being covered?
 
@bwoebi Yeah, this room has done a lot of good and saved a lot of pain on Internals by discussing here
No question there.
 
@LeviMorrison sure. And that's what everyone else discussing/creating RFCs does wrong… :s
If they would, internals probably would be a much more constructive place…
 
2:31 AM
I also think a centralized site over HTTP could help.
RFCs, discussion threads, chat rooms, voting widgets, karma…
 
make an RFC to change the RCF process to include mandatory chat before hand :P
 
It would be a lot of work and who knows if even then they'd accept it as the official place.
 
It'd help if people could chat between each other, mainly, I think.
 
I think threaded comments in an RFC might be helpful.
So long as the authors can invalidate them, mark as integrated, whatever.
Again, a lot of upfront work.
 
@bwoebi That probably explains a lot of that then. Besides the dead code, there's a trait where most of the lines are marked as unexecuted.
 
2:34 AM
@LeviMorrison maybe… but that's IMO more a gadget to make it nicer, tgan really solving the underlying problems.
 
@LeviMorrison Something like this would help I think: php-community-demo.stephencoakley.com
 
@Trowski Can you show me?
@Trowski o_O
 
user4268046
Hey... so I'm new to php, is there a way to thread pool mysql connections?
 
@bwoebi Just a nice forum set up someone I know put up as a demo.
 
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Q: php connection pooling mysql

cooolI am planning to use MYSQL. Is there a connection pooling extension available? Or what is the normal practice for connection? Is this the one used in every where... mysqli_connect("localhost", "xxx", "xxx", "test"); Do people use just normal mysql_connect or pconnect..? How better is pconnect...

 
2:37 AM
ah, fine
 
@bwoebi I think the intention is to flesh it out and show it to internals, but I'm not sure.
@bwoebi coveralls.io/builds/3438650 Specifically notice the dead code and src/Promise/PromiseTrait.php
 
@Trowski looks like an issue with the Closures...
will look at it tomorrow.
 
@bwoebi Closures elsewhere seem to be marked as covered, so it may be specific to traits.
 
good morning
 
morning
 
user4268046
2:50 AM
@ThomasAlbrighton D: That's removed in php 7
 
@Trowski dunno…
 
@TheMineBench the second answer tells you how to do it with PDO
 
@TheMineBench Sure, persistent connections is one way, there's also the mysqlnd_mux extension in PECL, but honestly, persistent connections almost never make any sense to me in PHP. I've rarely ever found anyone that uses them to have a good reason for doing so.
 
user4268046
3:06 AM
@Sherif Correct, what I am using php for should not be done in php... but it is... not much I can do about it :(
 
@TheMineBench Sounds like every other response I've ever heard when someone was inquiring about using a tool they didn't actually need.
Notice that "this shouldn't be done in php" and "connection pooling to your db in php rarely proves useful in practice" are two different thesis statements. One is suggesting you've already headed down a route you know is wrong and the argument is "I might as well keep going. There's nothing I can do to change this now", while the other is more along the lines of "There are very few use cases where pooling connections in PHP yields any real benefit in the grander scheme of things"
 
moin
 
@Ocramius Just so I understand the reasoning behind this.. the object is considered valid until it is applied to a context, and it's the object's relationship to the context is where the unique constraint should actually live. (And from an implementation standpoint the persistence of the object would probably be where the constraint would be enforced).
@kelunik o/
 
err, what?
 
@Orangepill \o
 
3:17 AM
an object is always valid, or else you have broken encapsulation
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the failed transaction is therefore a hard failure, not a validation failure
If you have to ensure consistency in a larger "group", then maybe you have to interact with a larger aggregate
for example $user vs $users
 
@Ocramius so $users->changeEmail($userId, $newEmail) instead of $user->changeEmail($newEmail);
 
I usually avoid doing that, I just do that in a domain service, tbh
because the uniqueness constraint stuff is rarer than expected
 
okay.. that makes sense.
 
@Orangepill Curious, what's the context, exactly? Looks like the conversation is hard to follow historically.
 
It would be nicer to simply use a different aggregate, but the effort is too much
@Sherif tracking uniqueness of different aggregate roots (DDD)
 
3:28 AM
@Sherif more academic then anything... reading through eric evan's book and trying to ensure that I am understanding the principles correctly.
 
Ahh, I see.
I sort of like these conversations, particularly because I'm very interested in understanding the gap between Software Architecture and code, which for some strange reason seem to have totally different views of software.
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@Sherif software developers usually apply way too much friction to the business view, whereas we should really just accept that business is business, and sometimes it's just shitty business
 
oh how true that is
 
@Ocramius I agree. I've had some very hair-pulling experiences with this of late :)
 
heh
 
3:36 AM
There is often no logic in business logic... rules are arbitrarily defined based more on corporate politics and the skills and idiosyncrasies of individual employees more then anything else.
 
Those are the business rules, @Orangepill...
You're simply taking a silly codex written for humans and translating it into machine stupidity
 
I know ... they can't just be ignored...
 
@LeviMorrison Retains BC, but you can inject specific types on instantiation?
 
@Orangepill I think that what happens in a lot of businesses (and especially ones claiming agile methodologies) is that developers often don't take the time to design things using a model, but instead start hacking away in code and that's where you get really arbitrary constraints that don't help you at all with the solution.
But I think more and more developers these days are learning about architecture and making smarter decisions about designing their programming system better.
 
@Sherif mostly, developers fall in the "SMART UI" approach
 
3:46 AM
@Ocramius What do you mean by "SMART UI" approach exactly?
 
and no, they still do the same stuff
@Sherif the "smart ui" is a common antipattern in how to design applications
 
@sherif or they do use a model but one that makes sense on the technology level but doesn't account for the brain fuckery that is business logic
 
@Ocramius Interesting. Was that in the gang of four?
@Orangepill Ah, well that's where the canonical model structure makes a lot of sense to me. Because I've done that for years before I learned :)
 
@Sherif doubt so, but I don't keep a catalogue anyway
 
@sherif that's the mold that I'm trying to break out of.
 
3:48 AM
this seems to explain it decently
 
@Ocramius Yea, it's just that I've never heard of that particular terminology before
 
it's not an OO pattern, but a wider thing
basically, devs tend to develop a UI "as explained" rather than asking questions
and then they end up with a "smart UI", since the business rules aren't really coded somewhere, they emerged from UI change requests by business
 
@Ocramius Ahh, I guess that's what you'd describe as the "ball of mud"
 
No, that's a different concept and it's more at technical level
this is more about looking at an app, finding everything clean and separated, yet not being able to tell what the app does by looking at the code
 
How's it different? It's just how Software Architects seem to describe systems that lack any real architecture.
 
3:51 AM
the architecture may well be there, but it just does technical stuff that isn't very relevant
so it is very difficult to understand what the app does altogether
 
Yea, that's sort of along the same line. I guess by "architecture" here I mean the act of architecting rather than the artifact of engineering.
But I think I get what you're going for here.
 
Well, an architect (even outside software, and in the "real world") could architect thousands of awesome buildings
 
@LeviMorrison Java defaults to Object too, which is basically the same, just that we don't have a global superclass.
 
and you look at them and you can't understand what their purpose is
 
@Ocramius Yeah, it's the "looks good" ... but it's actually "not even useful for anybody to use" case, I think that's the same for code.
 
4:00 AM
@Ocramius Ball of mud is an architectural style, ironically. It's one that entails that you can't perceive the architecture even though the engineering artifact here is still working code.
 
Yes, and a smart UI could have a well perceived architecture anyway
 
Well, that's the thing about architecture though. Having a good architecture that doesn't map over well to code is just as bad as not having any architecture at all.
 
I think we're talking about different things then, because I don't believe that to be true.
A missing architecture is just like no written code at all, a bad architecture means that you can recover/refactor something
both are bad scenarios, but a no-architecture-scenario is the worst
The DDD stuff we were discussing above doesn't even have to do with architecture itself (that much), but rather with lower-level code design
 
Hi
 
How often have you seen software blueprints/diagrams that look great, but when you look at the code end up not resembling anything that's actually happening in code?
Because I've had that happen a lot on the job. Someone draws up this awesome looking layered architecture, that seems like it's clean and makes a ton of sense, but then you dig into the code and find that "hey you're missing like 50 more lines and 10 other layers that don't show up here"
 
4:08 AM
@Sherif always? I've never seen anything meaningful coming out of an UML generator anyway
 
Yea, and forget UML. Nobody wants to use it anymore.
 
You're either making your point very hard to spot or I'm just too asleep to try and understand what you're trying to tell me
 
In a room of 6 engineers I couldn't get a single one of them to use UML.
My point is architecture is elusive and most of the time what you think you have on paper doesn't resemble what you have in code and to me that's just as bad as not having any architecture.
In other words "even the most well crafted plan is only as good as the people executing it"
 
That is a separate issue from having an architecture or not: that simply means you didn't follow your architecture
we're not talking about architecture, but about following domain principles first, then going for architecture :P
 
Not really. I see them as the same thing. What's the point of plan if you don't follow it.
 
4:11 AM
My point is that people don't have the right plan when they go for Smart UI
they have a plan, it's just not the right one
 
@Ocramius How's that not a part of architecture? You start with a domain model and then you build boundary and internal and code models.
@Ocramius Yea, I've seen a lot of that too.
But yea, I agree a poor plan is still better than no plan.
I guess a confused plan is kind of a step down from a poor plan.
I don't even know what to call that. It's like you started with one thing in your head of what you thought you were gong to build and ended up coding something that doesn't resemble that plan at all.
heh, I'm going with it. Confused plan
 
@Sherif still better as you can review the confused plan and learn from it
 
Definitely.
The hard part is getting people to review it. I find very few developers in a given organization actually want to do that.
Everyone generally seems to have the attitude of "it works... leave it alone!"
 
i dont think that most "programmers" actually know that they are engineering a system
 
Abe
yo o/
 
4:16 AM
they are comfortable in the labourer definition from civil engineering perspective
 
Well, the good news is you are going to learn about good architecture design, whether you want to or not, as long as you are developing software. It's just going to take a lot more time that way. I know it took me years to really understand the trade offs just from the number of failures I encountered. It'd be better if you just learned it sooner, obviously.
 
By the way, I don't think that architecture and the artifacts necessarily reflect the purpose of a system.
 
I must be dreaming when my code all works
Just kidding its not working yet
 
4:34 AM
@Ocramius do you maintain DBAL?
Doctrine/Dbal
 
5:01 AM
@andho yes, me and deeky666
 
yo ho ho
 
how is New Zealand?
 
who lives in NZ?
 
so far so good
Hobbiton was awesome!
 
is it the actual set from the movie?
 
5:22 AM
yup
 
Abe
nz must be my fav place on earth. would live there. everything is beautiful
 
Just found the website.... it does look pretty awesome...
 
Abe
@ircmaxell what are you visiting? planning doing some trekking or something?
 
NZ is on my bucket list.
 
don't really have time
just driving around mostly
 
5:25 AM
@ircmaxell you have a couple of days before the conference don't you? And are you sticking around long afterwards?
 
Conf is Wednesday
spending 4 days on South Island before flying back to the US
 
Hello, i was wondering if someone could help me with this: stackoverflow.com/questions/32290138/mysql-to-json-using-php Thanks!
 
this is not reasonably fixable, the bug is actually in the way fpm unceremoniously destroys processes, a lock free hashtable would introduce performance impact that we want to avoid, if nothing locks or blocks, then everyone does everything for a cold cache, which would be disastrous (moreso than now) ...
 
good morning frndz..
 
6:06 AM
@michaelcooper it appears that someone posted a workable solution to your question ... what is the problem that you are having?
 
6:34 AM
@bwoebi any chance of you sending me the wireshark breakdown of that message so I don't have to mentally decode hex dump to data structure from RFCs alone? Even a screeny would be helpful. There are some of the less commonly used records that are either unimplemented or not fully tested with real-world servers, I suspect this is a result of the latter since not implemented things throw an exception saying they are not implemented yet.
 
Hi can I ask a question here..?
 
The fact that it thinks it has an empty domain name tells me either that one of the internal record defs is wrong, or that one of the data-type decoders consumes more data from the socket read buffer than it should, both of which I've run into before and both of which are usually 1-2 lines fixes (that take hours to find :-P)
I'm not overly familiar with the prescribed behaviour of servers answering ANY queries
 
@NikiC ping
 
I'm on holiday for a week so prob won't get to it until next w/e, Danack and rdlowrey (the Dans :-P) both have push if you need it before then
@muhammadwaqas You just did, this is a question
 
$arg = 'T';
$vehicle = ( ( $arg == 'B' ) ? 'bus' :
( $arg == 'A' ) ? 'airplane' :
( $arg == 'T' ) ? 'train' :
( $arg == 'C' ) ? 'car' :
( $arg == 'H' ) ? 'horse' :
'feet' );
echo $vehicle;

Does anyone know why this prints horse instead of train?
 
6:44 AM
@DaveRandom going anywhere or just taking a break ?
 
@JoeWatkins What if there was some mechanism where you could set a bit somewhere in the child process that says "don't kill me now or I will cause a deadlock" and fpm will poll that bit on each tick until if can kill it. The only real perf hit would be an extra 2 heap assignments per call to the apcu func, and the tick poll in fpm, but that part doesn't matter since you only hit it when the proc is about to be killed anyway
@JoeWatkins Centre parcs in the lakes. I always wanted to go when I was a kid and I didn't care how much it costs, now I still want to go but I am shocked by how much it costs...
 
@DaveRandom there isn't a graceful way to kill a process, in the real sense of the word, you could solve it for fpm, but the moment logrotate or something that like signals for restart or whatever, you would have the same problem ...
 
@bitNinja PHP's stupid associativity of ternary is well documented and discussed to death on the internet, Google it. The bigger issue you have if you try to do something like that is that you wrote unreadable code, if you do that then you shouldn't be surprised if you get weird results.
@JoeWatkins Well yeh but I assume it's not just SIGKILLing them
 
it's actually in the handling of signals done by zend, it should never be allowed to kill a process, only signal that it should shutdown (zend_bailout), this is perfectly safe and is what pthreads does for Thread::kill ... there isn't much point perusing a solution for apcu, the problem isn't there, other things (opcache/wincache/etc) will be affected by the same problem ...
 
Then again, PHP
and fpm
/me goes to the shop to buy some smokes
 
6:50 AM
lata
 
@JoeWatkins Yeh the point was more provide a standard mechanism within fpm to allow such ops to be "flagged"
I realise it's not APCu's fault, as such
 
I'd rather tear off my own face than work on fpm, I'm not that happy about working on apcu ...
 
@JoeWatkins I was thinking more something provided by the "core" (as it were) that can be enabled by a #define in the SAPI
So it's not fpm-specific
anyway, bbiab
 
@Dave
@daveRandom I am working on a PHP project, I want to upload images,pdfs and doc files , I don't wanna upload them on the same server where my app files exist, can you guys suggest me some other data storage facilities which are effiecient, client advised me to use FilesEveryWhere Api but its hard to understand and uses SOAP ..
 
@muhammadwaqas aws.amazon.com
I would almost call that "industry standard"
But whatever you do, don't expect it to be simple
(SOAP is unacceptable though, in general, for everything, period)
 
7:03 AM
@DaveRandom is AWS Integaratble with PHP as well
 
posted on August 31, 2015 by nlecointre

/* by The coding love */

 
@muhammadwaqas They have their own SDK and if you search packagist/github etc you will find a lot of related packages
brb
 
AWS isn't free ,we are already using it in our office for .NET projects, the problem is the project I am working on is quite smaller , so is it feasible to use it with smaller apps either
 
Abe
@JoeWatkins yay! :D
 
7:16 AM
@Abe lets make some good PHP friends here Abe.
 
Abe
because you like my mustache?
 
@Abe no they are not following any PHP standards at all. As being coders we like things smaller in size .. ;)
 
@muhammadwaqas Their entire model is based on scale. Their products are designed from the ground up to meet your needs regardless of how small you start and grow with you regardless of how big they get.
@JoeWatkins Ironically I just stumbled upon that moments ago while on youtube. heh
 
I misspoke a couple of times, talking about code while putting it together and answering questions from another person is really quite hard ...
 
@JoeWatkins You're still providing useful knowledge :)
That's what counts
 
7:27 AM
:)
 
I'm a fan of progress, not perfection.
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It's nice to see people sharing internals knowledge more openly.
That's actually been a scarce resource for quite some time in PHP.
 
@joe Watkins how can I create a server in PHP which takes requests from and Android Application..
 
@JoeWatkins You know, I'm noticing, there's this rampant problem in the field where developers are constantly just tearing each other apart without actually bringing anything of value to the table. It makes me sick, really. I mean this guy probably uses the code you wrote to make his livelyhood and all he has to contribute back is smartass remarks. It's just sad and pathetic.
I feel sorry for people that feel they can't succeed any other way than to knock on the very people who are more accomplished than them.
 
@JoeWatkins how can I create a server in PHP which takes requests from and Android Application..
 
places like reddit bring out the worst in people, nobody is like that in real life ... and yet pretty common kind of behaviour for reddit ...
@muhammadwaqas don't do that
 
7:49 AM
@JoeWatkins what ?
 
ping random people, repeat yourself, be rude ... take your pick ...
 
Yea reddit is just a horrible place for developers, really. But a lot of people do do that in real life and I'm honestly sick of it.
 
@Sherif yeah I don't deal with live specimens all that often ...
 
moin
 
7:50 AM
morning
 
Even if I don't like something I'll at least try to be constructive about it. I'll offer something I think could be improved. I don't just lash out at people with "you suck". It's just dumb. What good can come of that.
I pick on your flaws, you pick on mine. It's a vicious circle.
 
I might say that sort of thing to myself, but my outwardly visible reactions are tempered appropriately, most of the time ... unless you really annoy me, then I'll just tell you to fuck off ...
 
I think it's because we're seeing the first generation that has lived their entire life with the internet. They've always had a place where they could do basically anything they felt like with impunity.
 
@JoeWatkins Yea, it's hard to maintain your cool after a while with people like that.
@PaulCrovella That's true. You give someone a voice and regardless of whether or not they actually have anything of value to say they'll likely use it.
 
morning all
 
7:55 AM
morning
 
I'm better, I used to suffer terrible from Hulk Syndrome conversations with and iirc a keynote from @ircmaxell mostly curbed that ...
 
I notice people also don't spend a lot of time listening either when they're empowered to speak. I see so many people on reddit actually bringing up interesting subjects and then I go to comment and see this horrid chain of bashing that just makes me not want to be a part of that conversation even though I thought the topic was interesting.
 
@JoeWatkins Yeah, he's a dick and it's clearly intentional ignore it. Don't even know why you bother posting on /r/php, it's full of jebends
 
we got useful feedback last time, is the only reason ...
 
It depends on what time of the day you post too. Sometimes you get a few gems, but now it's mostly just trolls.
I used to get great feedback on my posts from /r/php a few years back until they banned me.
Stupid reddit. They ban people for getting too much good karma. WTF
And they wonder why they're full of trolls.
 

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