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19:00
@SecondRikudo you're running or watching one?
@Fabien Running
What's the most advanced thing you're covering
You want in?
Git from the absolute basics
I'm not sure how far we'll get, we'll go with the flow :P
Hmm, I would've a month + ago. But I'm fairly comfortable in git these days. Think you'll get to tags or submodules?
@Fabien any help please
19:02
@humphrey What have you tried doing or googling?
@Fabien Not likely
@SecondRikudo I am talking about this answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/22929053/… it doesn't show me any downvote and still it's 3months ago that's why I support REQUIRE COMMENTS ON VOTES
Mainly because I'm not sure about submodules myself :P
@SecondRikudo Ah fair enough. What's the URL in case I wanna see your mug anyways? :P Or not public.
the system is working already
19:02
It will be public, but I'll only get the URL once it's live :P
but now that question they asked me is something I thought that it needs me to consult u first
@humphrey Assuming some method you're using to submit payment there should also be some way of having them return the result of payment to your server. Be it firing a URL or whatever. A callback so to speak. I suggest you look in to it.
@MikeM. You don't have the rep to see up/down votes yet.
@SecondRikudo Pop it in when live.
Sure
I do, and I can tell you that there's one up and one down vote on that answer
19:04
thanks man let me do more research about it
I don't need to see the up/down votes the comment on vote accures you so people must say why they upvote or downvote a question
@MikeM. I disagree.
so you don't get those "neg rapers" that helps friends
I downvote on many bad posts, and most of them don't deserve my time to comment and tell him how to improve.
then why does it deserve to be read/down voted
19:06
@MikeM. You are misunderstanding how Stack Overflow works.
In Stack Overflow, I don't care about you (OP).
I care about your question
I don't care about rep in a certain way
Questions, Answers and Votes are first-class citizens.
I do care about the opinion of people why they would vote something up or down
Users and Comments are second-class citizens
Comments are less important than votes
By forcing people to comment upon voting, you do two things
1. People will vote less, which is undesirable.
2. Club baby seals.
19:08
2. Comments will become as important or more important than votes, which, again, is undesirable.
@MikeM. You must understand something very fundamental about how Stack Exchange works.
If commenting is so unimportant, why do I get whined at when I down-vote without saying why?
I don't need to care whether you improve or not.
I don't need to care whether you learn or not.
okay let's say this:
-you get a ticket for nothing you know about.
-the ticket contains: Ticket.
this ticket has a price ($100) which must be paid or there are possible actions against it

-now you want to know why you got the ticket else you get dragged to the court

would you agree with this I guess not..
and I don't need to tell you why I think your post sucks.
@MikeM. Slight difference:
Stack Exchange is an online community, not a government or a police.
Every privilege you get is just that, a privilege.
SO Gets worse and worse
19:12
@MikeM. What is the goal of SO?
Do you think it's helping users with their problems? Then you are wrong.
Do my work for me.
SO is an online comunity for teach/helping purposes in questions/issues not to bitch at users
Do you think it's asking and answering questions? Then you are wrong again.
@MikeM. False.
if you want to bitch at users go to bitchusers.com
19:12
We're SO lucky to be afforded the privilege of storing our brain dumps forever on the internets in this Q&A wiki.
Stack Overflow's goal is to become a repository of knowledge and information, to make the world a better place for programmers.
That goal is achieved by excellent questions that people ask, common problems being solved online and indexed by search engines.
And how are you gona achieve that if you fuck users instead of helping them out...
That goal is only possible thanks to voting.
Good content floats up, bad content sinks down and dies.
Who makes the difference in that a question is good enough to be answer
oh wait NO ONE.
every question has their own good and bad
19:14
@MikeM. Well, I do.
And you do.
@SecondRikudo It's a nice idea, in theory.
if it's posted 500000 fucking times ofcourse
if it's only 1-2 times NO IT'S NOT A BAD QUESTION
We need a swear jar.
And everyone here with over 125 reputation do.
@MikeM. Duplicates is a different matter.
oh fuck this I am off
19:15
$1
@Fabien I have a sweetie jar, will that do?
getting tired and annoyed off this bs
Is the post useful? Is it clear? Is it answerable? Did the OP put any sort of effort into it?
@salathe Sounds a little weird. I was taught not to accepts sweets from strangers.
If OP doesn't give a damn into putting effort into his question, be sure that I won't give a damn to waste my time and write a thoughtful comment about how he should not waste my time next time.
19:16
@Fabien How about elephpants, would you accept elephpants from strangers?
Because in more than 90% of the cases (real statistic btw) that user will never return.
So yes, the regulars will lose their patience.
hello: I have in a htaccess file this rule: RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} "/r2" but it accept everyting after the "/r2" for example "r2aaaaaaaaaa" how to make a boundary in htaccess to just accept "/r2"
@SecondRikudo ye to tell you. I put effort in my questions as in I try to explain it as good as possible
@salathe There's exceptions to every rule. I want some elephpants
I search before I ask something so it is useful at some point
19:17
Is there any possible way to write stuff from the database to blank file during runtime, but only during runtime?
my questions are clear and answerable
@MikeM. Could you post an example where your think your post was well thought-out and useful, and yet someone still voted down on it?
so that's prety much bullshit in fact most of the down-votes aren't even near those statements most are more likely "rep fucks"
Because you do seem like you want to improve, and you do seem to care, so I'm willing to put the time and help you write better posts.
in my opinion I think this is enough explained and clearly answerable:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24602036/weird-issue-regarding-my-hashing-function
even through it has a copy paste hyphen in it and the answer which got upvoted doesn't have anymore input than my answer behave the stuff I already know
19:19
Hi everybody What is xxpmoban?
idk what's wrong on the other side of that question.
I even included a small short text what the issue is about: The Issue: Hashed passwords don't appear exactly the same
@MikeM. Not enough relevant code.
Your explanation is rather vague
@JoeWatkins Howdy
19:20
:)
not enough relevant code?
yo xD
the generated salts aren't relevant since the output is given
the function is all were it gone rong
how is The Issue: Hashed passwords don't appear exactly the same vague?
question totally short:
both exact the same functions with the correct salt keys doesn't give the same hashed password output.
@MikeM. You mean that the exact same function with the exact same inputs provides a different output?
@MikeM. I've edited to make it more clear.
19:23
indeed
But you need to add more context (where it's called, and with what parameters in each time)
@MikeM. That's obviously not a question that can be answered
A deterministic function with the same input will produce the same output
So the calls must have different input
uhm NikiC that's a question that can be answered since there was a code issue in the crypt
As you don't provide the calls, there is nothing we can do
both crypt didn't end with $ which returns an error in some case
19:25
@MikeM. But you aren't providing the input!
so adding the $ in the function cryptas you can see in the answer I made
How the hell can we know that?
I provided the input
function hashing($password ,$salt ,$vsalt){
now check the ouputs:
`username: admin`
`password: 12345678`
`salt: HJsZ4yBWNbGQCw1Yi-7rGBunXym7AEIFatIHhaK_fQgY6I1ecqAEs7eAmJM88Zdn5VpdrKie2CN39~PjqSb3yoPCCzl4q8`
`vsalt: S2qXSXQUc-`
so where are the inputs not provided?
@MikeM. The code which calls it
That's missing
it clearly shows in both outputs the PASSWORD - SALT - VSALT
the code that calls it is unrelevant since it wasn't the issue
it's a function the code that calls it is hashing($password, $salt, $vsalt);
defined from the database with the inputs shown as the above password - salt and vsalt output
so once again every info is given which IS relevant
19:29
@MikeM. Again, it's impossible to tell beforehand.
it's not impossible to tell.
the inputs are provided
the function is provided were it did go wrong
how is it impossible to be told
$check1 = crypt($password.$salt,'$2y$12$'.$vsalt); solution: $check1 = crypt($password.$salt,'$2y$12$'.$vsalt.$salt.'$');
wut
the '$' at the end certainly has nothing to do with it
where did the issue come: .'$');
clearly it was @NikiC since I added that the function didn't even returned any error.
@MikeM. you also added a .$salt between the two calls ^^
in the old function the vsalt was 22chars long
that was because I switched the vsalt and salt to both 11 chars after the $ at the end did the trick
if you don't end the salt with a $ the blowfish might give an error.
19:41
no.
that's wrong.
not on what I experienced
@MikeM. definitely not true
bcrypt does not require a trailing $
after adding the $ at the end it worked for me
I am just stating my own experience
I just double-checked the implementation to be sure
19:42
the hyphen in the salt once again was an copy paste error
and I couldn't find anything hinting at a trailing $ and additionally the self-test vector bcrypt uses does not have a trailing $ either
We're about to get started @Fabien
not with bcrypt at least
SHA512+256 use $ as a delimiter for some things (not salt though IIRC)
following the samples they all had a trailing $ when I didn't use it it related into an error.
@MikeM. do you still have the exact code that errored?
19:44
itsin the question
I don't think salt is copied correctly
it was 22 chars
in the question it was 8 chars for somereason
it's always been 22 chars...
anyways from my experience the only error was the trailing $
...
The salt is even initialized to all $, so trailing $ don't make any difference
anyways the issue is fixed yet that people can't appericiate it isn't my problem yet I don't even think I will ever ask or answer on SO again because people only be bitching if they don't like it their way...
@MikeM. Thank you.
We appreciate it.
Good luck bitching at others
I didn't appreciate it behave the stuff @SecondRikudo because he actually showed me how a post can be even more organized
@SecondRikudo thanks for that.
We don't all bitch
19:47
@NikiC I need some advice around crypt()
there's currently a bug where if you don't have libcrypt available (cygwin), PHP won't build since password.c expects crypt, but it's not available
@salathe I didn't say names :)
however, we have a full internal implementation of crypt. We just won't build unless libcrypt is installed for some reason (we may even use our own internal implemetnation, but still link against libcrypt)
@ircmaxell Yeah saw it
what would you think if we simply removed the external dep on libcrypt entirely, and stick with our own internal implementation...?
I just said people be bitching - not any names so if you feel like your into those group of "people" that's bitching than you know who I am talking about.
19:49
@MikeM. Just saying, simply because you have one bad experience doesn't mean you should throw the baby out with the bath water. Because that's what it sounds like you're ready to do.
@ircmaxell I think it's okay to retain support for an external libcrypt, but it should not be a requirement - if it isn't available we should use our internal implementation
like with pcre
we have a bundled version, but you can also link a custom one
Yeah, that sounds fair
as long as the external one passes the configure tests, use that. Otherwise use internal
@salathe it's most likely on like that it's just not my bad experience I see it now adays on alot of questions even if I see it's useful in some ways and not posted before
but maybe we're still using some things from crypt that are not internally implemented
might be only the things missing on windows are there
@NikiC well, the configure tests work fine there
19:53
like I pretty much get if this gets downvoted: stackoverflow.com/questions/24705413/… because we don't create scripts we try to help people with issues on their scripts out. yet I don't even see an actual question and example of what (s)he tried.
@JoeWatkins that's how much you pay for a 60m apartment in Tel Aviv here :P
Must be the middle of nowhere Joe
God that carpet is fugly
holy crapballs
you serious?
Even for the middle of nowhere that's damn cheap for that property
19:57
@Fabien to be honest the whole interiour is ugly xD
I'd live there
Must be the carpet that knocks the price down.
oh wait the kitchen is nice.
Yeah, those sofas are pretty bad too.
I am moving anyway, why not ... it just came up ...
its all original so guess they want it kept that way, I dunno, don't care ... look at it !!
19:58
well joe it's in your non risky price range
@JoeWatkins it looks amazing
yeah I can actually afford it @MikeM.
Manhattan is pretty crammed tbf.
now the only thing is to actually get it xD
19:59
How much is buying?
go for it!
Check the internet speeds before you go Joe. That's priority #1 :P. No fibre no deal!
oh crap
@NikiC from what I can tell, I don't think so. But that should be really easy to tell
look at the map, there will not be fibre, tiny offshore island
I'll check tho ..
20:03
Eh, I'd still go for it as long as there's broadband. That property looks pretty nice...
looks okay
there's a notspot nearby but the place itself looks covered well-ish
@JoeWatkins if you go live on the isle of wight you'll go funny in the head
go funny ?
fair point :-P
Yea, I'm pretty sure Joe already went down that route
;)
20:05
There are only 2 types of people in technology: those that are new, and those that are crazy... (I've been doing this for a while)
no but srsly, that's not a bad place to be ...
so long as there as schools and what not ... which I imagine shouldn't be a problem with a population of about 10 ...
For other locations of the same name, see The Undercliff. The Undercliff, Isle of Wight, England is a tract of semi-rural land, around 5 miles long by 0.25–0.5 miles wide, skirting the southern coast of the island from Niton to Bonchurch. Named after its position below the escarpment that backs this coastal section, its undulating terrain comprises a mix of rough pasture, secondary woodland, parkland, grounds of large isolated houses, and suburban development. Its sheltered south-facing location gives rise to a microclimate considerably warmer than elsewhere on the island. Although inha...
Do we all get to come to the house-warming?
> Although inhabited, the Undercliff is an area prone to landslips and subsidence, with accompanying loss of property over time.
> St. Catherines Road, Niton Undercliff
Umm...
20:08
great, it's broken ...
@salathe :-)
@JoeWatkins On the plus side, it won't be your property that gets broken :-P
the whole thing will fall into the sea if I live there, and you all know it ...
IoW Joe :) you'll be next to me.
20:09
@JoeWatkins I want to laugh, but I know it's not right. Things have turned around, so don't dispair
FTR Joe. IoW is most expensive boat ride (by distance) in the world. :P
I think...
Also the Island is pretty boring.
And their basketball team sucks.
@JoeWatkins If you are heading down my way then let me know which areas and I'll yay or nay. Schools in city centre are crap though. Dunno about IoW
they are looking up ... can't believe I want to live somewhere broken ... it seems pretty safe tho ... neolithic is pretty old ...
20:15
:D
to be fair @JoeWatkins that's a good 1/4ml from the sea, maybe more, I can't believe it's that quick
There's probably a sink-hole under it.
Plus you'd be able to use the useless trivia that you live in the smallest county in England for 50% of the year
user895378
The only thing I know about IoW is that it hosts a sweet music festival.
there's gotta be 0.0001% of the land in the uk where you have to even worry about it ... it's pretty damn funny ...
20:16
@JoeWatkins For reals though. It's a boring Island.
@DaveRandom 50% of the year?
one does not get bored in 3.8 acres
And getting to Soton is not cheap nor swift.
one buys their little girl horses and has quad bikes for their little boy ... impossible to get bored ...
20:17
I remember learning about it in geog when I was like 14, the IoW has this cyclic migration pattern over millienia because of the gulf stream. It gets closer and closer to the mainland until the sandbanks shift around in such a way that it starts getting further away again
It's interesting, but sucky if you live there
@JoeWatkins Yeah. There's that too.
@ircmaxell tides
is it really a serious problem ?
@DaveRandom rotfl
you can't really get broken places can you ?
20:18
Not so serious it's common knowledge.
so 1/2 the day it's the smallest? and 1/2 it's not?
@JoeWatkins I don't really know, I mean it's a large land mass, it can't be that quick
user895378
@salathe, you probably don't care but you're forever a good dude in my book as of a couple of days ago. Just wanted to throw that out there.
That's a fair distance from the sea, it would surely take at least a few decades
@JoeWatkins it's the first I am hearing of it and I know a fair few IoW'ers. So I doubt it's an issue.
More than a few decades.
Land erosion is like 1-3" per year or something isnt it?
20:20
@ircmaxell ...or however long half a lunar orbit is
@rdlowrey eih... I'd still smack him around with a trout given the chance
It was discovered by some researchers for QI a few years ago
@salathe Has a free pass.
user895378
/me reserves the right to wield the @salathe trout as needed
20:20
Note to self: don't go near @ircmaxell if there's a fishy smell...
the whole thing is amazing ... all of it ... everywhere ...
@rdlowrey what happened a couple of days ago?
user895378
Okay, TLS proxy bug duplicated locally. Time to dive in ...
Why did it take you so long? :-P
user895378
@DaveRandom I'll tell you about it elsewhere.
user895378
20:21
No need to draw attention.
Sounds... interesting
@JoeWatkins You'll need to spec the place out presumably...
Road trip to the IoW!
> [...] could I direct you to post 231659 and the post immediately following it, where this matter is explained in an excruciating amount of detail.
The QI forum is one of the most ironically named things ever
hehe, gonna check it out anyway ...
user895378
20:24
Amphibious PHP assault on the IoW.
Southampton has an airport too. Easy travel for all.
Yeah! Hampshire's PHP standard could quadrouple if this plays out well! :D
Also Joe, there's a small PHP Hampshire group that meets every month. Could do your first presentaton there... :)
<--- Starts dreaming about my future with Joe.
user895378
lol
@salathe by the time you smell fish, it'd be too late
@ircmaxell hehe :)
things are so looking up ... :)
20:35
Just be through in your search
3 primary schools ...
within spitting distance, because everything is ...
lol yes
i need help asking this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/23459617/…
what
's wrong
one of the schools is terrible, closest one ...
20:41
where's the hole in the pie where something goes?
^ dinner
american
Yeh I like my pie but not that much
PHPie
@Fabien yes! next time...
I have like 3 more pies worth of filling
20:42
dude are you seriously making pies ?
pies that say pie on them ?
lol. Why do you have so much filling That's already a massive pie
@JoeWatkins I was bored and waiting for the oven to warm up
can someone help me get off ban?
@Fabien Because I cook in large volumes, generally. Costco is a dangerous place...
I also have enough bolognese that I could eat nothing else for a week
@DaveRandom Never been. Might be going with a friend tomorrow to buy some jerky.
20:44
in large volumes the oven is always warm
two of the schools are shit one is good (2's for those that know what it means) ... so green light there ...
Send some down to me. My wife is away for the weekend and my chef skills end somewhere between the microwave and a pizza in the oven.
user895378
@DaveRandom Costco is a dangerous an awesome place.
@JoeWatkins ...as long as you can get you kids in, if it's the only good one that might be hard
(but good luck)
strike that ... the good one only goes up to year 4
that area is out :(
20:45
Damn. Dream over.
well we'll search wider, I thought that was whole island, was just that area ...
one of the schools not listed for some reason, I guess maybe new, or private
private schools are inspected ?
Cats would love that countryside too
there will be a school
will ring it tomorrow ...
among many, but that one first ... definitely ...
start the withdrawl process, as it takes 7-11 days :-)
yeah that started, it will take that long to arrange a viewing and baby sitter and time to get there and whatever ...
20:54
:-)
user895378
Okay php-src, let's talk about this variable naming ...
user895378
resource = php_url_parse(path);
user895378
how in the living goodness is someone to know that "resource" is a parsed url a few hundred lines down?
user895378
</rant>
parse error
20:57
@JoeWatkins If it's cheaper to park at mine and get the boat and get picked up by tenancy agency off the boat let me know and you can.,
cool, thanks @Fabien
the ferry is 6-10 minutes walk
You've already walked to it once.
I think I remember seeing port ...

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