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20:03
evening
sorry about the noise
I should ask Meta to remove that moderator notification
I think it's good that it's there
We get notified either when the same user gets kicked repeatedly, or when the same room owner kicks repeatedly.
We've been getting a lot of flags from you kicking people repeatedly
yeah, the one is never good enough
Now, don't get me wrong, kicking is fine,
20:05
they have to come back and complain
But I also noticed that you're getting a lot of flak from the other room owners and regulars in the lounge
the other owners have the power to stop me at any time
and the only one that spoke during that whole thing did not express any opinion
I mean, if they actually came out against it, I'd probably stop
but so far it seems that they really don't care
Yeah, I'm mostly referring to the other times I've noticed flags from it in the past
Just wanted to make sure it's all good, maybe consider plonking more often
I used to do that
but it's a problem because you can't plonk people for other people
you can't plonk somebody and then have other users not see it
I guess that wouldbe more like a hellban/shadowban
That's also true.
Welp, it's not causing too much trouble so far, just flags that I occasionally look at and dismiss
As long as the room's OK with it, it's OK with me.
20:09
well, just to be clear, it's not that I like the current system
I just currently don't have any better ideas
@Puppy Neither do I.
the fundamental problem is that there's a big mismatch between what people expect from a chatroom on SO, and what we've actually tried to achieve.
but you may notice the room is a lot quieter now and it's because many of us moved to Discord
@Puppy Is that after the latest meltdown?
arguably you may be relieved that a big proportion of us hellions are gone ;p
Or somewhat after?
20:11
what was the latest meltdown?
With me.
oh
no
the truth is that the Lounge has been looking for a way to get off SO for a long time, we just didn't like any of the alternatives we found
I won't say that personal or professional disagreements don't play a part in that but I think it's more to do with a general feeling of lack of control
Yeah, to be fair, the lounge probably fairs a lot better in an unmoderated environment
20:13
Discord isn't unmoderated, it's just moderated by us ;p
Yeah, unmoderated from the outside, I mean
personally, I think the key difference is that you don't have a thousand people on SO who want help with C++ who are coming in
That probably plays a big part too, yes.
but I wouldn't take it too personally if I were you
I guess that really I should stop trying to keep the Lounge so clean here since most of the people that actually matter to me aren't even here anymore
I'm not, and neither will Stack Overflow. There are things that Stack Overflow (and Stack Overflow chat) is good at. And there are things that the Lounge is good for. There's certain overlap between the two
20:15
but not necessarily enough ;p
Yup.
Not always
But sometimes...
ah well, I imagine your life will be a lot easier really ;p
we must have rated pretty high on the number of complains list
Heh, sort of. While the lounge did require a bit of our time and effort, the bulk of the work is generally on the main site

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