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12:37 AM
@SebastianBergmann I figured out the cause of bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=79191 but not sure what the fix is. SoapClient ends up calling zend_bailout() which sets unclean_shutdown and eventually prevents the write
I suspect this logic doesn't make sense now that Throwable is a thing
but I'm not totally sure about the implications of changing anything around bailout, it's there for a reason (not sure if it's a good reason though)
@bwoebi halp ^
:-P
 
@DaveRandom You do realize that test case doesn't fail, right?
 
3v4l doesn't have ext/soap
 
I see
Here I go thinking 3v4l was going to be sane and install basic extensions
boy did they make a fool out of me
 
it doesn't have anything that would let you download arbitrary stuff from remote servers
 
Since when is SOAP a basic extension ? O.o
What's the correct way to initialize and then add new string values to a HashTable?
 
12:51 AM
@DaveRandom That sucks
Half my tests involve a remote connection
 
it's a public codepad, sometimes it is frustrating but I totally get why it's like that
 
@DaveRandom So, if I'm reading this correctly it's storing the state in executor globals? o.0 Is that normal
 
I think that code predates throwable
 
ah
 
it's handling fatal errors, and any exception other than SoapFault would have legitimately been unexpected
but now that php_error_docref() can throw...
I dunno, ext/soap is a huge bag of horrible
 
12:55 AM
Still, this is kinda nasty. It's like a doSomething() or die() not very production-y
 
I suspect that it shouldn't be invoking bailout by itself, the engine should be responsible for that, but I don't know enough about how that part of it works
 
git blame
hunt down the author
that's what I do
 
that is far from the worst thing in ext/soap
soap.c is nearly 5K lines
there's a single monolithic >1000 line function in another bit of it
 
I believe it
It's SOAP ffs!
It's 2020
Why are we still using SOAP?
 
I wish I had a satisfactory answer to that
@Girgias I never know that and always seem to get it wrong somehow
 
1:00 AM
SOAP's maintainer is Dimitry
@DaveRandom first time I actually use that bit of the API :)
 
@Girgias yeh, I'm sure this'll go straight to the top of the pile :-P
 
Also how/what should be my HashTable destructor :( why has nobody written the bit about HashTables in phpinternalsbook :(
 
I suspect the answer is that the bailout there should just go away, but I also suspect there's some reason that hasn't already been done and the "fix" here is going to end up being allowing instances of Error as well as SoapFault
 
WAT a packed hashtable only saves you 4 bytes?
I thought it was a bit better than that
 
Pretty sure it's faster to iterate over
But don't quote me on that
pls
 
1:12 AM
Well... kinda sorta but not really
Man it's been years since I looked php code o.-
I can hardly remember these macros so much as has changed
git blame Nikita everywhere
I see now
This guy walked into #php-pecl on EFNet 7 years ago talking about fixing one bug... mean while 7 years later he practically changed half of php by himself.
 
@DaveRandom do you know if the HashTable API changed between PHP 5 and 7? Just realised that phpinternalsbook has a section on them for PHP 5 (but not 7)
 
@Girgias It did
 
Oh ffs
 
This zend_hash_find is new to me
 
I'm fairly certain the answer that that will be yes, a lot of stuff changed about HT in 7
 
1:16 AM
Welp
 
You know who has a good blog post about php 7 HT changes?
The guy that changed them
 
@Sherif That's what happens when someone is paid to work on PHP full time.
 
yes nikita wrote a thing
 
@MarkR Oh, he was a student back then
 
1:18 AM
 
indeed
I even remember the bug report that stirred up this whole thing
man, have the years gone by fast
gulp Google better figure out this reverse aging thing quick before I go gray
The bug report that started it all
 
/me sleeps
 
If you find the right settings you can upgrade to hibernation
 
 
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2:52 AM
Is it me or is IEEE Std 802c really that confusing?
 
3:18 AM
@DaveRandom the reason they use a machine now is nothing to do with it being hard and everything to do with everyone having soft (breakable) alloy wheels ... even if you had an appropriate set of irons (which I haven't seen in 15 years), and you'd done it before on a steel wheel, I wouldn't touch an alloy, if you crack the wheel, you might not notice and it could kill you ... pay a person ...
the machines are very carefully designed to hold the wheel but put pressure on the bead of the tyre, you can't do that with an iron, you have to use the wheel to apply pressure, and it very easily damages soft alloy
 
3:48 AM
In HRTime\PerformanceCounter::getTicks() what do the ticks represent exactly? CPU clock cycles?
Because if it's any kind of time resolution it's giving numbers in the femtoseconds
 
4:19 AM
Theoretically this CPU can only ever attain ~490 billion FLOPS. So I have no idea how ticks are calculated here.
 
4:29 AM
Yeah, Linux bogomips = 4800.05
 
 
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5:32 AM
Hi guys
 
6:27 AM
Hi...
 
7:08 AM
@DaveRandom this may or may not be okay. The problem is that DOMDocument makes itself dependent from a pre-existing bailout state.
because that also means e.g. register_shutdown_function invoked after exit() then calling DOMDocument won't work.
unclean_shutdown should really just means that something has bailed out, which should merely influence cleanup behavior of PHP (e.g. memory leaks will be unreported etc.) - which obviously is the case - a zend_catch was invoked. Setting unclean_shutdown looks pretty right to me there.
 
morn
 
mornin'
 
Good morning.
 
7:38 AM
It's refreshing to review my own code from years ago and refactor it.. even fixed a bug or two on the way.
Maybe somebody should invent XP for individuals...
 
ormings
 
guys
i made a post form in html, but i have multiple choice so once the user click one of the choices then it will redirect them to the page
each choice have a different choice
can you all advice how can i achieve that?
im coding in PHP
 
7:58 AM
@hellopanda you should drink some coffee first
 
i cant
i will die if i dont finish this assignment
 
@hellopanda you will die anyway... unless you're a bot :)
redirect your html form to a php file on your webserver, read up on $_POST and some tutorial on PHP form handling.
 
8:14 AM
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
echo "<form action='home.php' method='post'>";
echo "<input type='submit' name='submit' value='Yes'>";
echo "<input type='submit' name='submit' value='No'>";
// If no i want this button to redirect to another page instead of home.php
echo "</form>";
i did the form in my php file
 
create two forms, a user won't notice.
 
cmb
8:30 AM
@bwoebi this is due to the fix for bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=71536
 
@cmb that's a weird fix
 
cmb
Problem seems to be that the XMLWriter dtor tries to write to a stream, which may have been closed already.
 
yeah okay, but then it should check that instead of the unclean_shutdown catchall
 
9:13 AM
it's quiet around here..
 
@bwoebi Isn't bail out for when something hasn't been handled though? In that case nothing has had the opportunity to handle it yet
it doesn't seem right that a ctor throwing an exception should leave the engine in an unclean state
not unless it bubbles up and isn't caught
 
@DaveRandom it doesn't mean engine is in unclean state, it just means that in a request based env (apache, fpm, ...) the process needs to shutdown completely rather than just soft reset to rinit
 
yeh, which doesn't seem to be implied by the fact that I failed to create an object
 
e.g. if there has been an issue in called external code which could not be recovered (i.e. there are floating unrecovered memory fragments or such)
 
cmb
9:19 AM
Nikita calls that "a horrible bailout based error handling approach" (github.com/php/php-src/commit/…)
 
@bwoebi I can provoke that by just doing new SoapClient(null) btw
and it doesn't bail out when a SoapFault is thrown
 
@DaveRandom the code is a mess, I fully agree
but the specific error is due to the bad handling in DOMDocument
 
Yeh, it sort of doesn't look like it belongs there
 
SOAP should be cleaned up, but the issue at hand should be fixed in DOMDocument
 
well it's libxml, not just DOM
 
9:23 AM
whatever :-P
 
I assume that guard has been added to fix some bug in the past
@bwoebi I just mean that changing that behaviour is likely going to have far-reaching effects
 
@DaveRandom well, you'll need to fix that cautiously - I do not know that code - I just can tell you the current code there is bad
 
It could be worked around by changing DOMDocument::save() to "manually" do the write instead of the sugary approach of just handing the URI to libxml
 
@JoeWatkins nice für Elisish, made me switch to this
 
which will bypass that code completely
but that feels icky in different ways
 
9:49 AM
@cmb yeh I thought it would be something like that
 
@Code4R7 yeah i ended up doing this... but so hard to do css T_T
 
10:11 AM
@hellopanda CSS is harder than it looks. Different properties for different media, even SVG has its own set.
 
I was checking patches for review in edit.php.net and noticed that my already committed patches still show up there, do these never disappear?
5/6 under my name there are all merged long time ago
 
cmb
@Ekin it depends how these are merged. If download as patch, and committed to repo this way, they won't be automatically deleted.
 
I see, alright
 
@Code4R7 you mean: CSS is just smashing some loosely correlated properties together and then tuning in inspector until it seems to fit (while avoiding exact px values as hell)
 
10:35 AM
TIL there's an algorithm called happy eyeballs
 
That's a networking thing, right?
 
yep
> attempts to connect to both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses for dual-stack hosts, preferring IPv6 first for timeout ms. If the IPv6 address cannot be connected to within that time then a connection attempt is made to the IPv4 address in parallel. The first connection to be established is the one that is used.
 
Ah right, that's what it was. This was something that came up when I was working on the MongoDB driver for PHP
 
Fallback from v6 to v4. Why isn't this used everywhere?
or maybe it is
 
@bwoebi Yes, before you realise there are box models, coordinate systems and stacking contexts.
 
cmb
10:48 AM
 
@cmb looks like it, yes
so, if you remove it, you cannot repro the original bug anymore?
 
@cmb @bwoebi a solution to bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=79191 could be to just ensure that SoapClient throws SoapFault instead of Error
although even that is leaky
since I can just throw a SoapFault myself
(I imagine the point of the bailout being there is for when an unexpected exception occurs due to some user code being executed)
 
cmb
11:03 AM
@bwoebi yes (or actually, I have to revert the 79191 fix to trigger bug 71536)
Given bugs.php.net/…, I think it might be best to rewrite the soap extension in PHP (at least partially)
 
11:17 AM
@Derick there is a mistake in your transcript:
Derick Rethans 11:16
Because **we** maps

Instead of Because *weak* maps
 
@Girgias I am sure there are plenty of mistakes - it's auto generated, with hand editing. It already takes a long time to do.
 
Fair enough :)
 
@Derick done :p
 
You sure this is the only one you'd like to fix? ;-)
 
11:21 AM
It's the only one I found lol
Listned to it while eating breakfast
 
I had to chuckle when I read "anonymous vote" instead of probably "unanimous vote" in the transcript
 
that was correctly transcribed though! We did say the wrong word :-)
 
oh lol
 
Aren't they, uh, pronounced the same?
 
@NikiC the second syllable should be more pronounced for unanimous I guess?
 
11:33 AM
They are not :)
Although I guess it depends on how much certain brits butcher the pronunciation :P
cc @DaveRandom <3
wow he really is busy :|
 
11:48 AM
@NikiC Your funniest mispronounciation is "becourse" instead of "because" :-)
@NikiC "ah-nonimus" versus "yu-nanimous" (I did it wrong too)
 
@Derick uuuuuh
This is another one of these epitome moments...
 
@NikiC forget about that
 
hah! :-) English is a stupid language.
 
my SQL or my sequel?
That's all that matters
 
my SQL, obviously :P
 
11:51 AM
<3
 
My S Q L, and MS Sequel
 
Next up, gif or ... jif
 
tiff
Nobody in here would say jif as they know there would be a kick following :D
 
Good we're all on the same page
 
\o/
 
11:54 AM
PS - what happened to tweets expanding in here
 
what's the highest minimum curl version requirement in php-src now?
 
@Ekin in master 7.29.0
 
thanks
 
 
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1:11 PM
o/
 
1:46 PM
\o
 
oh look at that, NumberFormatter fails after quadrillions $a = new NumberFormatter('en_US', \NumberFormatter::SPELLOUT); var_dump($a->format(1473139506499123129)); // string(25) "1,473,139,506,499,123,129"
heh
$a = new NumberFormatter('en_US', \NumberFormatter::SPELLOUT); var_dump($a->format(473139506499123129)); // string(187) "four hundred seventy-three quadrillion one hundred thirty-nine trillion five hundred six billion four hundred ninety-nine million one hundred twenty-three thousand one hundred twenty-nine"
Learn something new about libicu every day
 
2:03 PM
@PeeHaa shit's on fire yo
 
glorious
 
@Sherif once you know ICU, you'll never go back to mb_string or iconv
 
So... SplFixedArray allows you to access array elements that haven't been initialized without warning :(
 
@NikiC Would a fixed array already be initialized?
OK, at the very least it's allocated.
But in PHP we have no concept of allocated memory that's unreachable
I see what you meant though. I'll shut up now
 
2:21 PM
Actually, I think you're right and from an external perspective it's considered initialized to null
Then it's just the internals that are weird
Why store UNDEF and then pretend its NULL
 
@NikiC Yeah, that wouldn't make sense to me.
I wonder if anyone on internals would complain if it acted like regular undef... or shoot, even threw an exception.
 
probably...
 
Having them implicitly be null means from a type-stable perspective you can't ever get rid of the |null bit...
But honestly we need something other than the SPL. I had to give up on it; something new would be better.
 
@NikiC Could you tell me what you would think the expected behavior should be in that case? What should $splFixedArray[0] do if it's not initialized?
Throw an Exception?
 
@Sherif Yeah, that's what I expected. But the behavior is actually self-consistent, I was just confused by the implementation. Cleaned it up a bit in github.com/php/php-src/commit/….
 
2:38 PM
@NikiC gotchya
 
so nice to be able to PR for doc-en changes now
I haz two new PRs waiting :)
 
2:57 PM
@Ekin WAT when did this start?
oh wow, docs finally moved to github
/me deletes svn
 
not too long ago
 
Since June last year :P
It's all still on SVN though, this is just a mirror
 
Wait, do I even have permission to push to doc-en on github?
let's try
where'd I put that ssh key... hmmm
bah da hell with gitconfig, I'll just diff the PRs and push with svn
 
3:57 PM
Anyone have wording preferences for the type error message? github.com/php/php-src/pull/5092
This suggests to normalize to %s() expects argument %d to be of type %s, %s given
 
Makes sense to me. Pretty sure I asked about making an API to enforce this consistency before I did the GD messages.
Only thing that comes to mind is the comma before <type> given
Just in case generics might be a little harder to parse if comma itself can be in the type name, but not the end of the world and certainly ways around it. Doubt it's worth considering.

blah expects argument 1 to be of type MyClass<T1,T2>, MyClass<T2, T3> given.
 
Makes sense to me as well, though eg. the case of min() feels sort of different than the rest
 
With everything being reflected in 8.0 maybe include that too?

%s() expects argument 1 (param_name) to be of type %s, %s given
 
I like that. Is that always known at the time the error is thrown?
I guess it would be
 
4:33 PM
Is there anybody here who uses PHP on macOS, and wouldn't mind testing a basic debugging client for Xdebug?
 
^ /cc @bwoebi
I would apologise for volunteering Bob for that, but I'm not sorry so I can't
 
:D
 
Hi guys
I am trying to write sql query for below :
Show the offerings where students enrolled were having in average (among all participants in that offering) higher grades (EnrGrade) than the average grade for offerings of the same course. The end result should display the course (CrsNum), offering (OfferNum), and the average grade for that offering, ordered by the course and having the average grades listed from high to low
but i didnt this part :
average (among all participants in that offering) higher grades (EnrGrade) than the average grade for offerings of the same course
 
4:52 PM
@NikiC: Can we expressly forbid people from defining functions within functions in PHP?
It's really a quirk if you think about it. It never made sense.
I'm thinking the parser can prevent function block within function block at compile time, but can't get there.
It doesn't actually parse it until you execute the function :/
 
That's not really much different than defining a class inside if(..) blocks no?
 
sorta kinda, but not really
@MarkR `function foo() { function bar() {} } foo(); foo(); // fatal error cannot redeclare function
It really shouldn't be allowed in the first place.
 
The few times ive seen it, it's been inside a function_exists guard
 
Yea, that's how people do it, but really that above example should be expressly forbidden.
 
But I would agree it doesn't make a great deal of sense, but at that point we might as well just require all functions / classes to be top level elements without preconditions.
 
4:56 PM
I mean, you could dig into the AST and prevent it, I guess... But it's wierd.
@MarkR I wouldn't go that far. Just no function inside 1st level function. If it's inside another block like if/case/etc... it might be OK.
But the compiler really should complain about the former.
I don't want to break existing code in the wild. I want to prevent things that just don't make sense that I know nobody is doing in practice anyway.
 
@Derick yes, ping me tomorrow if you want me to test this
 
@alcaeus Cool, will do.
 
@Derick I can actually help you here :-)
 
yay
by default should listen locally on port 9000, use -x to show the XML that goes over the wire
(other options are available, by using -h)
should act as an "IDE", and it has autocompletion for commands, although you probably should get away with step_into and context_get only
(I haven't written docs yet)
 
Uh, okay, need to compile xdebug first…
Hm, Xdebug is not compatible with master currently? @Derick - but 7.4 works, yea?
 
5:12 PM
yeah :-)
 
cmb
@Sherif I've seen such code (possibly from former Pascal programmers); of course, it makes no sense, but there might actually some BC break. Would still be +1 on disallowing that for PHP 8.
 
@bwoebi yes
 
Helllowww
How will you do this: One user can't use your site more than 2 hours per day
With php mysqli obviously
 
keep them chained up in the basement and only let them out for 2 hours per day
 
@DaveRandom Hey!
Are you busy today too
Really, asking that question
 
5:21 PM
I am not in a fit mental state to give anything other than flippant answers
I've been making wiring diagrams all day and I am currently considering what the shortest route to the coast is so I can walk into the sea
 
@DaveRandom 👍
I am totally confused today, I was using freehosting.io
 
what I will say though is that "access your site" is somewhat ambiguous. You could easily refuse to load pages 2 hours after the first page load on a given day, but that's probably not what you want. Measuring "active usage" on the web is very hard (and it's also a client side problem, so it's more about JS than PHP).
 
For hosting my free test site
But for more than 24 hours
It is suspended
Without any issue
I Didn't get any support
It was a huge project
And I Don't have backups
So I am very ***** Tensioned
If I can't get it back, I am just dead
 
@cmb I'm OK with BC breaks that break code that just doesn't work in the first place. This one has been particularly strange for some time.
It's the implementation that's tricky.
 
@DaveRandom I know that It's really hard
I Didn't get any solution browsing internet too
 
5:30 PM
@ALLTHINGSREMAINHERE Because it's not a single problem to solve. You have multiple problems here.
 
@Sherif Hmmm.... Right
 
You don't easily get direct answers from Google that involve combinations of problems.
You have to break it down into its individual components first.
 
That's why I am connecting with amazing developers like you
However I am also confused to make a mention system with notification system
 
Now you're just throwing more problems into the bag. You're going backwards.
Solve one problem at a time.
 
Check my biggest problem for this time....
@Sherif Just Before your Chat
 
cmb
5:34 PM
such code can work: https://3v4l.org/oev0C
Regarding the implementation: disable DECLARE_FUNCTION opcodes when executed inside a function?
 
I am totally confused what to do now
 
@cmb InB4 you do foo(); again. But DECLARE_FUNCTION inside function might be OK if it's in a conditional, for example.
So it's a bit more tricky. You gotta check its parent block structure before you make the final decision.
 
If my site Don't be live, I will loss my entire programme
😣
 
@ALLTHINGSREMAINHERE Learn to use git and store your work locally or at the very least on github next time.
 
Actually, I am building a social media platform, which has a lot of works to do
I know how to use git, but actually, I thought all will go fine
I was wrong though
My mistake
 
5:39 PM
So the best we can do is allow it if it's conditional, disallow it otherwise. Hmmm... that's gonna stir up plenty of complaints, I'm sure.
 
Bobs-MacBook-Pro-2:xdebug bob$ ~/php-src-7.4/sapi/cli/php -dzend_extension=/Users/Bob/xdebug/.libs/xdebug.so -dxdebug.remote_enable=1 -dxdebug.remote_mode=req -dxdebug.remote_port=9000 -dxdebug.remote_host=127.0.0.1 -dxdebug.remote_connect_back=0 test.php
@Derick sorry for the noob question, but how exactly am I supposed to invoke the script with xdebug? :-D Trying:
 
XDEBUG_CONFIG="idekey=dr" php -dxdebug.remote_enable=1 script.php
you miss the env var, the rest looks good
(although mostly unnecessary)
 
@Sherif It makes sense if you consider it like any other conditional function definition ;)
 
ah okay
 
man... I am hungry. I was all set to head out to get something to eat and realized I have a meeting in 30 minutes. Such a horrible feeling. I will be worse than useless in this meeting.
 
5:44 PM
@Derick yeah the env var did the trick
 
It's the same as if () { function foo() {} }
 
Is it though?
 
Debugging file:///Users/Bob/xdebug/test.php (ID: 67128/dr)
(cmd) help
1 | help
1 | Error(4): unimplemented command

(cmd) ?
 |  > stopping/ok

(cmd) h
2 | ?
2 | Error(4): unimplemented command
 
one actually branches the other is subject to imperative code
 
@bwoebi does it generally do things and not crash?
yeah, there is no help in it
 
5:45 PM
yeah does not crash
(cmd) c
Error writing: write tcp 127.0.0.1:9000->127.0.0.1:61412: write: broken pipe
Disconnect
 
but there is "step_into", "context_get" and "stack_get" for you to try, or do just <tab> to get all available commands
Does it colour things too?
 
yep
looks fancy
 
neat, and I just made it work with windows in the time you messed about with it on osx :-)
 
@NikiC If I do if(!function_exists('strpos')) { function strpos() {} } } I have no state-dependent bugs. But if I do function foo() { function strpos() {} } I do. One is clearly worse than the other, no?
 
thanks for the test @bwoebi!
 
5:47 PM
I'm trying to avoid "Spooky Action at a Distance" here.
 
@Derick btw. is it normal that the calling script does not terminate properly when you type run?
Is it waiting for something?
 
@Sherif What if your code is function define_polyfills() { if (!function_exists) { function } }
Here you can a function in a function in a way that makes sense (or at least as much sense as conditional function declarations do anywhere)
 
@NikiC That's fine. I said if it's parent block is a conditional it's likely OK.
 
Now you can of course special-case function declared directly in a function on the premise that the programmer likely comes from a language where that means something different ...
 
@Derick when I type run a second time I get a disconnect with broken pipe and the script actually terminates, feels weird
 
5:49 PM
Right, but in that case wouldn't it be better to at least inform them that this might be buggy code? Just like we do with undefined variables?
 
yeah, there are some weird things that I need to sort out yet :-)
 
And you really ought having some help :-D
 
@NikiC That is to say: Technically inner function doesn't exist until you execute parent function and even then re-executing parent function causes a fatal error. So maybe you messed up here.
@NikiC: Even worse, the compiler doesn't complain when you do this: 3v4l.org/OOXMB
The idea that functions can be compiled at runtime is kinda weird, no?
 
@Sherif you never conditionally called a function defining a certain function or another function defining another function with the same name?
@Sherif s/compiled/linked/
 
@bwoebi Conditionally I'm OK with that. But unconditionally is the problem.
 
5:54 PM
@Sherif You can conditionally declare things: 3v4l.org/KXTpa
 
@Sherif how do you want to know whether that function declaring function is called conditionally or not?
 
You can (ab)use this to polyfill, do performance hacks, etc.
 
@bwoebi I'm suggesting that the function decleration itself MUST be inside of a conditional block for this to make sense. Otherwise, you potentially wrote some buggy code, or at the very least, code that's subject to some "Spooky Action at a Distance", which I find to be discouragable.
of course that means either recursively parsing the block or traversing the AST to know the difference. So it's not obvious what the best approach to implementing that would be.
Wait, function definitions don't even go into the AST do they
bah
 
@Sherif I've never found that to be problematic in practice tbh…
 
@bwoebi Probably because you don't write bad code?
Can you honestly say you don't think function foo() { function foo() {} } is bad code that we should probably have PHP complain about?
 
6:01 PM
I mean, we can't possibly have PHP complain about all bad code out there
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier You got me there
 
@Sherif I wished.
 
But this one's been particularly bothersome to me for some time
@bwoebi Let me qualify that statement. You probably don't write code that's that bad?
 
but more seriously, what's the use case of defining functions in functions, except be an ass to the next maintainer?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Pretty much nothing unless it's wrapped in a condition, in which case it does make some sense.
I don't so much care about the function-in-a-function part as I do the fact that PHP has a global-dependent state on parsing function declerations at runtime.
It's like a lazy-loading for nested function blocks. PHP only hoists the top-level function declarations and loads nested function blocks when we execute the outer function.
 
6:11 PM
@Sherif I don't know :-P
 
@bwoebi OK your humility is obnoxious at this stage :p
 
@Sherif well, I'll at least admit that there exists much worse code on this world than I write :-P
 
@bwoebi Finally, a modicum of brazen decent :)
 
6:28 PM
heyyo guys
Someone suggest to me Laravel Project tutorial course or documention?
 
@Vedat laracasts is the gold standard
 
6:59 PM
Cant see some in the backlog and i dont want to poke around but did you see that security issue posted on reddit?
 
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