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12:00 AM
@Andrea I didn't have this idea until just now: why not new functions try_json_encode() and try_json_decode() or something like that/
I guess that nomenclature would be exactly backwards to what it is in C#.
 
 
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1:35 AM
:hankey:
 
Wes
Lol can confirm that the latest South Park episode intentionally hijacks your smart home devices also I'm apparentl… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/908928246711906305
 
1:52 AM
is this really the kind of shit yii2 forces developpers to live with? stackoverflow.com/a/39001388/576767
I'd rather work in jQuery
 
Wes
2:30 AM
Thank you, Reddit, for the best bad tattoo story of all time https://t.co/slrYAWc8OQ
 
 
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5:11 AM
morning yo
 
@Dereleased oh I missed your burn ... also, what happens to the pound has limited effect on my life, in fact, worse is better for me ... I get paid in USD :D
\o
 
o/
 
why would you need to tattoo a dog, isn't the scar enough :s
the absence of bollocks is also a good hint that a dog is neutered ... and I've never seen a bitch that I couldn't just look at and tell if it was neutral ...
 
5:30 AM
o\
ohhh I've messed up
o/
 
Wes
@JoeWatkins ahahaha
is it mandatory to neuter pets in uk? @JoeWatkins
 
Wes
6:04 AM
 
@Wes it is not, we have a full male dog ... the first thing you notice about him, is that his bollocks are massive, I don't mean human massive, I mean bear massive ...
 
he has so little bravery we can't bring ourselves to have him altered, although we probably should because he's not nice to other full males
 
 
2 hours later…
7:38 AM
@Danack I found the right person to talk to and I've asked them. Unfortunately they're off sick today, but as soon as I get a response I'll let you know
 
@NikiC thank you for fixing it in php-src
 
7:50 AM
morning o/
 
8:00 AM
posted on September 26, 2017

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
@bwoebi That's what I thought, too. That user has been in IRC yesterday or so.
 
when you decide on the tools you'll use before you have a problem to solve with those tools :P
 
Anonymous
mornin
 
o/
 
Anonymous
8:11 AM
\o
 
o/
 
Wes
\o
 
o/
 
hi everyone, how's hanging
 
8:31 AM
18 hours ago, by tereško
SHIT
 
Anyone use Cloudsearch DescribeDomain?
I would like to know how to call this funciton in aws 3
 
Wes
9:05 AM
yeah right. all working hard this morning
 
@Jimbo thanks. just in case it's of interest to you/them, the reason I'm looking at this, rather than continuing to use separate docker boxes, is that the webpack watching is just failing silently. i.e. you can change a file it's allegedly watching and sometimes that rebuilds, and other times webpack just ignores the change.
 
9:20 AM
I'm trying to read the SQLite::open from blob patch - github.com/php/php-src/pull/2698/files what happens if you try to call that method on a non-sqlite connection?
 
moin
 
morning
 
Wes
hey honey
 
@Wes I'm hoping that wasnn't meant for me :p
 
Wes
i don't remember when i wrote that. must've been one of my multiple personalities
it was for dave obviously
that doesn't really make it better tho
 
9:39 AM
mm.. which personality am I speaking to atm?
 
why would zval *some_global = zend_hash_str_find_ind(&EG(symbol_table), "some_global", sizeof("some_global") - 1); only work on the first invocation? I have a test where I define a global var and access it via the global keyword in a function. I call the function three times. my extension hooks into that function. but some_global is only a zval on the first function invocation. and null afterwards.
in php5 it works just fine
 
is it patricia ?
 
@FlorianMargaine What do you mean? That's a runtime error message.
 
10:01 AM
@kelunik i strongly like being able to return 'stub responses' that then get mapped into a response type the framework knows about, or for PSR-7 the response object that was provided* with the request. e.g. stub response, which
is mapped into the actual response here
it makes for the controller code to be very clean and easy to write, easy to test (because you can just test it's returning the correct StubResponse type, rather than having to inspect headers), and it's decoupled from the underlying framework.
(* the abstraction chosen by PSR7 to have a 'response object' created before the server starts sending a response makes me sad.)
 
@Danack Well, you also call it response?
 
'stubresponse'
The fact that I couldn't think of a better name, also makes me sad.
 
As far as I can see it is basically just the same, but with a different interface?
github.com/Danack/SlimAurynInvoker/blob/… pretty much matches what I suggested in the linked discussion.
 
aha. progress. gdb tells me it turned from an object to a reference for some reason
 
Just that your responses use types and the suggestion does not.
@Gordon Did you use foreach ($... as &$var) or how does the code look like?
 
10:09 AM
nope. I didnt use any references in the code
 
@kelunik yes, but having the mapping layer means that people could completely replace what stubresponses aerys provides, with their own types......or just allow controllers to return strings with a mapping function like:
'string' => function ($html, $response) {
	return $response->withBody($html);
};
 
function some_func($some_arg) {
  global $some_global;
  $some_global->some_prop = ($some_arg === "some_val");
}
that's the only actual code in the test using the global. in first invocation some_global is an object. in the following two it's a reference
 
On the other hand, if people want that, they could do it on their own layer, rather than having it be part of aerys.
aka not sure I'm helping.
 
@Danack Aerys won't provide any response with that proposal, it will just have exactly one mapper that writes the response to the client in the end.
 
@Gordon That's what global does, ya know
global $foo ~= $foo =& $GLOBALS['foo']
 
Anonymous
10:12 AM
!!wotd
 
Anonymous
@NikiC what is that?
 
Anonymous
It doesn't seem valid
 
@NikiC I didn't know that. but how come the equivalent code on 5 works while the version with zend_hash_str_find_ind doesn't?
 
@Gordon because php 5 does references differently
it's not a type there, but a flag
 
you are supposed to make it easier with 7 not harder :)
 
10:17 AM
hey everyone, i´m trying to upgrade my php version on my mac to 7.0...i did this : curl -s php-osx.liip.ch/install.sh | bash -s 7.0 and then i did this: export PATH=/usr/local/php5/bin:$PATH ...when i do this last command it actually shows 7.0...but after that, if i simply do this: php -v it stills shows my 5.6.3
i´m trying to do this because of laravell
can anyone help me?
 
@NikiC I will probably have to read your nikic.github.io/2015/05/05/… a thousand times before I internalize it
 
> export PATH=/usr/local/php5/bin:$PATH
@Japa unless you installed php7 in a path called php5, that's unlikely to work.
 
@Danack what should i do then? i just follow this website: medium.com/zenchef-tech-and-product/…
 
change /usr/local/php5/bin to wherever php7 was built to. However I quite strongly recommend using homebrew for installing software....it works mostly.
Or even better, use docker.
 
@Danack at this moment i´m seeing this: jason.pureconcepts.net/2016/09/upgrade-php-mac-os-x but i don´t get the this part vi ~/.bash_profile ( sorry it´s the first time i use this)
what should i do there?
 
10:27 AM
> change /usr/local/php5/bin to wherever php7 was built to.
However, as I said, using brew.sh is far easier.
 
oh man...i have to find where did it installed php7...i don´t know
thanks for your help danack
 
@Gordon :P
 
heh, so Z_ISREF_P and Z_REFVAL_P solves it. thanks.
 
10:43 AM
@LeviMorrison that's... not a bad idea
 
@Gordon Or ZVAL_DEREF
 
@NikiC whats the difference? is it better?
 
@Gordon It's a macro that does the same. I know you love macros
 
@NikiC I am getting used to them :P
why do we have two macros for the same thing?
 
@Gordon It's not the same thing, it's just a macro for the operation if (Z_ISREF_P(zv)) zv = Z_REFVAL_P(zv); which is extremely common
 
10:46 AM
ah, I see. and it will return the original zval when its not a reference?
 
@Gordon It doesn't return
 
ok, it's a macro
 
You do something like zval *zv = ...; ZVAL_DEREF(zv);
 
got it. thanks.
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins news.php.net/php.internals/100774 it's just ridiculous now.
 
10:48 AM
very useful indeed
> /* the following Z_OPT_* macros make better code when Z_TYPE_INFO accessed before */
@Nikic can I read up on that somewhere?
 
@Gordon eeeh
It's a pretty specific thing for the vm implementation, not really for general use
 
ok, then I'll ignore for the time being
 
Basically usually you only access the type part (which is a single byte), rather than the type_info (which is a whole word also including flags), but if you do access type_info as a whole beforehand for some reason, then you can use opt macros which will also work with type_info
Which ends up saving one load instruction or something ^^
 
hmm, ZVAL_DEREF(zv) doesnt check for NULL
is there some fancy macro for that, too?
else I just a regular if
I'm old school. I don't mind using regular language constructs over macros
mhmm. if (foo != NULL) ZVAL_DEREF(foo);
thanks @NikiC
 
11:05 AM
ok ... who the fuck was the marketing genius, who decided that "STD" is a good name for the new Star Trek series ?!
 
it's "Star Trek: Discovery" .. so the abbreviation is obviously STD
 
TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VGR, ENT, DSC
Voyager was VGR
so no, you dont need to be afraid to catch something
 
@Gordon I think I added _deref variants for some zend_hash_find APIs some time ago ... but obviously not for exotic stuff like _ind
 
11:21 AM
With a static class, how might one return $this?
 
you can't
 
Is it possible to chain methods?
 
no
and you should't chain methods anyway
 
How come?
 
because it is hard to debug
 
11:24 AM
Ah
I have seen example code such as this:
MyClass::foo("str")->bar($var);
How does that work?
 
@JustCarty MyClass::foo("str") obviously returns an object having a method bar()
 
@Gordon So rather than returning $this (which it can't do) it returns some object?
 
@JustCarty yes
 
@Gordon Thank you :)
 
@NikiC np, I'll probably add a macro for it myself… something like _GLOBALS(v) or whatever which then hides the differences between 5 and 7
 
11:32 AM
@JustCarty when you have a static class, there is no $this, because you essentially have a glorified namespace for global scope functions
 
11:57 AM
@Danack Here's the response: --config path/to/config flag can be used to select the config file
 
What was the name of tool which automatically prefixes function names which are global with `\` ?
 
@brzuchal sed :P
 
morning
 
Anyone here familiar with imagemagick?
I have the following:
cat somefile.png | convert png:- pdf:- > somefile.pdf
To convert a png file to a PDF
(The actual thing is run in a program, and in-memory streams are streamed to it, not actual files)
The problem I'm facing is that the PDF file has a GUID title (despite the filename being correct)
 
12:30 PM
Hi guys
I am having a url like below :
root/get?page=5&pagesize=10
 
@MadaraUchiha why are you cat'ing the file, rather than telling imagemagick to open it?
And same for output.
oh, memory streams...
You'd probably be best asking over at imagemagick.org/discourse-server - or just using real files.
 
Hmm .. this will be interesting: blackhat.com/eu-17/briefings/schedule/…
 
ImageMagick will be hitting the disk anyway, so trying to do it in memory doesn't save much.
 
mnorngin
 
12:49 PM
minorng @PeeHee
 
@DaveRandom finally fixed that thing you found on our server
 
I have a #PHPNW17 ticket (coming weekend) for anybody who wants it. Shoot me a message to get it.
@salathe o/
 
If only I lived in Europe :(
 
Well what's stopping you? :P
 
my boyfriend...and my cats
 
12:50 PM
@Gordon are you sed nazi? i think command line would be more than 4KB long for sed
 
@Tiffany Get a new one, who supports you living in europe
 
I see Leigh volunteers
 
lol
 
I'm leaving europe
 
Although that is fake europe
:)
 
12:52 PM
isn't that where PHPNW is?
 
Yep
 
Wondering if I have gone insane... I want anonymous classes, with cloning, so I can clone + implement interface to decorate a class
 
@Tiffany Can you get a group r11 people from the US together and meet up at a US conf?
 
@Tiffany sunshine php comes to mind. florida. @crypticツ can show you around of what's left of it.
 
I think there's only @Dereleased, @crypticツ and I
it would be a sad conference
 
12:56 PM
I think that would be aweome
 
anyway, meeting
 
hiiii all
i need help regarding sending notifications to iphone devices
i have a .pem as well as .p12 file with me how to start further i m new to this
 
@brzuchal php-cs-fixer.
 
can anybody help me
 
@Danack Wait what? Why would it do that?
To be fair my reluctance to use the filesystem stems from filename collision problems, more than performance concerns (although we did see a significant improvement when we got rid of the filesystem hoops the program has to jump through.
 
1:04 PM
@MadaraUchiha ...but you specified a file name anyway? Or are you actually proc_open()ing it or sth?
yeh so I didn't read hard enough :-P
 
@DaveRandom The png file is generated with puppeteer (headless chrome)
 
Can't headless chrome generate pdfs directly?
 
And I'm taking the buffer and running it through convert to get a PDF buffer
@DaveRandom It can, via print
But our print stylesheet is styleshit.
 
oh right
wkhtmltopdf?
@MadaraUchiha ...fix it? :-D
 
Fix it
^^
 
1:07 PM
@DaveRandom That's an option, actually
Although currently we have this cropping feature which we kinda like
(i.e. takes a screenshot of only one element)
 
I mean tbh if all you are doing (I presume) is embedding an image in a PDF, you could do that with about 10 lines using tcpdf or <the other one whatever it's called>
They are horrible to work with but for something that simple it's not too painful and doesn't rely on invoking external exes
I dunno what imagick is doing when it "converts image to PDF" but I assume it's basically just wrapping the original image
 
Wes
aftern\o\ons
 
hola @Wes
 
1:23 PM
@MadaraUchiha Because it doesn't do much image processing itself, and instead delegates most of the image processing to other programs......it also slices images into parts to only have small working areas in memory. That string you're seeing is quite likely to be the temp file name.
@DaveRandom mostly calling ghostscript probably.
 
Yo @PaulCrovella
Been a while
 
@Tiffany oh jeez that's all the way in Miami? I'm gonna be honest, that is so far from me, I have only been once as an adult, for 30 minutes, just to pick someone up and then go back home.
 
Wes
did you burn the tires yet
 
getTimestamp and ->format('U') both return 32-bit int – #75259
 
Wes
1:40 PM
@NikiC i need to create a parser, the language contains words, spaces, numbers, and has nested stuff (like (this (foo) foo ) bar) is there something i can use other than doing it myself? :P in php obvs
when i start these things it usually doesn't end well
 
@Wes regex :P
I'm not really familiar, but there are definitely libs
might want to look for "parser combinators php" or so
 
@Wes when am I not burning tires anymore?
 
@Wes Just use lisp to parse it :P
 
Wes
there are a lot of them indeed niki
 
Nah, strtok(), obviously /ssssssssssssss
 
Wes
1:47 PM
tokenization should be easy
building an ast from tokens, less. i did one once. it was goto all over the place
 
@Wes I started porting YACC into PHP. But hit a wall as myacc is clevar in how it passes ids, and I coulnd't quite understand a big section of the middle of it
 
Solution for the bug 62584485 – #75260
 
Wes
 
What do I have to do to mark bugs as spam @salathe?
nvm somebody already handled it
 
Wes
@Jeeves not sure if spammers are getting more stupid or more clever
 
2:01 PM
@Wes Ethel, I love you so much.
 
Wes
@Jeeves I love you too, Hansel.
 
@Wes I love you too :-)
 
@ircmaxell "I coulnd't quite understand a big section of the middle of it" is how I feel about php internals
@Wes I think that might be a quote from Loom. Hansel's sister is Gretel. Not Ethel. But in Loom, Ethel is Bobbin's mom
 
Wes
i don't know what that is :B
 
though an image search for "Ethel, I love you so much." gives me a lot of b/w images so it might be wrong
@Wes you dunno what Loom is?
 
Wes
2:04 PM
i've watched a movie i think called loom
 
Wes
ah never liked that kind of games
 
So nice ^
 
Wes
my friends used to play them
 
@Wes yes, we did
 
2:05 PM
Still do
Still got The Dig to play through again
 
@Wes you are not claiming you have different friends than us virtual folks, right?
 
I am tempted to get the remastered full throttle
 
@Leigh I recently replayed DOTT and still got Grim Fandango on my list
@PeeHaa that as well
@Leigh I really digged The Dig
 
@PeeHaa (in future) go to the "Developer" tab and change the "Status" field. :)
 
ooooh :P
<3
Yeah sorry. Didn't read the entire list :P
 
2:08 PM
Hi, I am not getting how an usort() code example works for like 10th plus day
 
@Dereleased I'm not sure we'd do it in Miami.
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom ping.
 
@JayIsTooCommon hey babe
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom Noah didn't need to worry about the wood peckers because they can fly.
 
lol
 
2:11 PM
pastebin.com/uyF6Xnfx - $a-$b pairs from $array get compared to the values in the $order array; if the list_cmp callback function returns 1 $b gets moved towards the beginning of the array (always $b and always this direction, I am assuming)
 
@JayIsTooCommon the whole flood thing was bullshit anyway. So, like, there were no fish that had sinned?
What about the sharks? Those guys are dicks, no way there wasn't some sin there
 
Isn't having to swim in your own crap not punishment enough?
 
what or where is the mechanism of finding the right spot for the $b when it gets moved? This is insertion sort? Is this something that is built in into the usort() itself? Probably not, since we are not creating something like 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 but something like 1,1,3,4,2,2,2 (this is based on the order from the $order array)
 
@DaveRandom that's not true. they just got a bad image from years of misrepresentation
 
so how this is achieved. I see the comparing and is the return value of $1 that does the moving but I am not sure of what is the mechanism of finding the right spot for the $b (again, it is not from the smallest to the largest, always the same, it is a custom sort)
 
2:14 PM
Sure, I mean evolution has created good killing machines on both sides
 
"return 0" says "do nothing", "return 1" says "move the $b", but what is the mechanism of finding the right spot?
 
Wes
@Gordon i had friends once. now i'm an amoeba. i'm ok :B
 
It is not putting 7 here 1,2,3,4,5,6,x,8,9; this is a custom sort, like 1,1,3,4,2,2,2
so I am not seeing how this works, again like 10th day on this
 
Wes
When you lied on your CV about having previous sheepdog experience. https://t.co/fecGfhE9YD
 
Anonymous
2:18 PM
How do snow plow drivers get to work in the morning..
 
@JayIsTooCommon asking the important questions
 
@JayIsTooCommon on dog sleds
 
Wes
@JayIsTooCommon they park the snow plow where they live, or they sleep where they work
 
@Wes that's what I was thinking, but what if they live in a place where they only have street parking, and the truck doesn't fit?
I guess sleep where they work, but that seems odd... though fire fighters do it here, so I guess it's not that out of the ordinary
 
Wes
or, there are two shifts. one makes sure to finish their shift on the road the second driver would use to get to work, then the second driver clears the road so that the first can go to sleep
 
2:28 PM
@AaronSmith for starters, your compare function does not return a valid result for every pair. i assume that explains why you only see certain values on your resulting array
 
Anonymous
@pmmaga Please stay on topic, we're trying to get to the bottom of snow plow drivers and their journey to work.
 
Wes
eh, jees
 
Thanks for looking at this @pmmaga I know that it should be returning negative, zero or positive, but this piece of code works
 
@JayIsTooCommon :p please update the room topic accordingly ;)
 
2:31 PM
@AaronSmith actually scratch that, the resulting array has all the elements
 
Anonymous
ah @Wes was right for once. Thank you @Tiffany
 
the dynamic that I am seeing and understanding is compare values of $array to $order and if the list_cmp callback function returns 1, move the $b towards the beginning of the array (this is how the usort() works, only the $b gets moved). I am not seeing the mechanism of finding the right spot. Again, a person could thing, it is within the usort(), it just puts like 5 here 1,2,3,4,x,6,7,8,9 - but the result of this pice of code is 1,1,3,4,2,2,2
(and this is based on the order within the $order array. I am thinking maybe doing nothing (returning 0) if $a equals to a current value in the $order and doing something (returning 1) when the $b is equal as a current value in the $order array, but I am not seeing this
I am not even saying that this is the mechanism
Like I said, I've been working on this for like 10 days now (afternoons / evenings only, mornings something else). I've been trying different usort examples that I wrote and so on
multiple layers of how this all works and I need to get it all together
I've been preparing a question on StackOverflow.com now, almost ready to publish now
 
the function you are providing only gives the comparision result. (which one is bigger) the actual sorting function could be any of these
 
Wes
for once?
 
when you return 1 on the bottom and 0 on the top it will produce a different thing, if you return only zeros, nothing will get moved - so it is the return value of 1 that does the moving of the $b
this is Insertion Sort
 
2:36 PM
yes. it moves up if the result is > 0 and down if < 0
 
cURL sftp regression – #75261
 
I am not saying that what I am doing is easy examples, some of them are probably advanced
 
Anonymous
> Donald Trump's NFL tweets while 3.4 million Americans face a crisis in Puerto Rico show he's using the presidency to divide
 
Anonymous
A nice neutral post notification from CNN there
 
@pmmaga - If you are interested in this example, please take a look at this pastebin.com/T6CmpJiB
this is specific to this very piece of code
 
2:42 PM
@JayIsTooCommon c'mon
being "neutral" at these times is literally encouraging fascism.
 
@AaronSmith You do realize that if you don't return from the comparison callback you are implicitly returning null, which will be coerced to 0 and interpreted as "equal" by usort?
 
Morning.
 
\o
 
o/
 
2:43 PM
This always returns either 0 or 1
and not factoring -1 (or negative) is not an issue
so it can be assumed that the code is correct
returning 1 makes the $b move (and only $b, $a never moves) but what is the mechanism of finding its spot (this is Insertion Sort, since the array is between 6 and 15 elements in size)
This explains how the Insertion Sort works - github.com/php/php-src/blob/…
 
Wes
\o
 
this is not a stupid question, anybody can possibly learn something new
 
@AaronSmith yeah, please do explain to @NikiC how that shit works
 
Can anyone tell me what explode does if it doesn't contain the delimiter? I have a list of users, and want to know if I'll be okay if its just one user and not split by , or will I need another if?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier - github.com/php/php-src/blob/… - :)
 
2:49 PM
@VoiDHD Try it
 
@PeeHaa I'm unsure because I use a foreach, can you look at this? gist.github.com/distributi0n/69ab6a253e2045027948efc06e426b97
 
You cannot make up syntax like that
...
 
@AaronSmith if you understand the sort algorithm part I can't understand what do you mean by "what is the mechanism of finding its spot"
 
!!docs foreach
 
[ foreach ] The foreach construct provides an easy way to iterate over arrays. foreach works only on arrays and objects, and will issue an error when you try to use it on a variable with a different data type or an uninitialized variable. There are two syntaxes:
 
2:51 PM
there is 12 steps, these are the $a-$b pairs - 2-1, 2-3, 1-3, 2-4, 3-4, 2-2, 2-1, 2-1, 4-1, 3-1, 1-1, 2-2 - and these are the 12 values that get returned - 1,1,0,1,0,0,1,1,1,1,0,0 - if it is 1 the $b gets moved, and since the only thing that is left is 0 and it is a step in the process this must be when the usort is finding the right spot for the $b
yes, but what is the mechanism of this?
 
!!docs explode
 
[ explode() ] Split a string by string
 
fyi arrays are not strings.
 
So something like this?
public function hasAnyPermissions($permissionString) {
        if (0 === strpos($permissionString, ',')) {
            $count = 0;
            foreach ($permission in explode(',', $permissionString)) {
                if ($this->hasPermission($permission))
                    $count++;
            }

            return $count > 0;
        }
        else {
            return $this->hasPermission($permissionString);
        }
    }
 
@pmmaga - I am not understanding this fully yet
 
2:51 PM
read both docs we just shared
 
what does the finding of the right spot?
 
All info is there
 
almado@host:~$ sudo -i
Password:

Why bother building any more nuclear warheads until we use the ones we
have?
so true (:
 
The TL;DR is that everything about that code is made up bullshit
 
it could be within returing 0 if "$a == $value" and returning 1 if "$b == $value" as a second step (if the first one is not TRUE) - it can be there, but I am not "seeing" that
 
2:53 PM
@AaronSmith recursion? keep on moving it until you get a comparision which returns 0
or you hit the beggining of the array
 
thanks, this could be the answer
I also asked on StackOverflow.com - a lot of smart people there replying, they know all these things
in depth
 
eye roll
 
careful not to get eye sore with that
 
@pmmaga - Thanks for looking at this. When I get a complete answer I will describe it for my learning notes and I can let you know, some other person that was looking at this too
 
@JoeWatkins it was a burn on the dollar if it was a burn on anything
 
2:57 PM
like I said, several layers of how this works here, one person told me that normally it does not make sense to be figuring out things like this (how it works under the hood)
but I am learning and I want to do it this way
 
@Tiffany so we're not talking about the existing conference then?
 
but this is like 10th day now :)
 
@AaronSmith it absolutely does make sense. good luck!
 
I mean, if we make our own, sure, it can be anywhere. And we can start compiling a list of all the North Americans in this room.
 
@AaronSmith also, in case you aren't doing so, using a proper debugger and checking what is happening step-by-step can help a lot
 
2:59 PM
I did that, I used echo and var_dump
 
that's not what I said
:P
 
@pmmaga Heads-up. You are mostly wasting your time
 

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