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Anonymous
10:04 AM
@PaulCrovella @PeeHaa I can provide moral support too, if required
 
I didn't know you had any moral values
 
Anonymous
rude.
 
Sometimes the truth hurts I know :P
 
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...
I hate blacklists
 
10:07 AM
so pretty stuck there ... I guess I could do it using that ip address if I can access the machine, but ... why does it need to be so difficult ...
 
maybe stop using opaque blacklists perhaps
 
morning all
 
@kelunik It's, predictably, really fucking complicated. Unnecessarily so. It's based on a function of interface and adapter metric, two pieces of information which are difficult to reliably get at in a uniform way.
 
and isn't the problem the domain name? what does the ip address have to do with that?
 
@PaulCrovella I suspects there are several issues yeah
 
10:11 AM
it finds nothing for address for some reason
 
Anonymous
are there any plans to update phpinternalsbook.com for 7 ?
 
I'm pretty busy right now @JoeWatkins. If it's still fucky tonight I will try to have a better look what's going on somehow
 
did someone already email sascha and systems about the problem?
 
@PeeHaa ta
 
@JayIsTooCommon ask Nikita
 
10:17 AM
@PaulCrovella probably about a million people have done that ... the people who look after servers don't seem to have the same timescale that other humans use ... we may get a response sometime in May ...
 
Anonymous
@JayIsTooCommon @NikiC
 
@JayIsTooCommon wrong one :-P
 
Anonymous
ah, thanks :P
 
@JoeWatkins That's why it's called May
 
hehehe
 
10:19 AM
Case in point: I closed a 13 month old sysops ticket yesterday at work
It took me approximately 38 seconds
 
Was it wont-fix or no-repro this time? :P
 
No it required downloading a KB installer and installing it
not even a reboot
In my defence, it's not actually my job to deal with sysops tickets, I only did it because it started causing me a problem as well as the original reporter
 
Could you all please stop using defence
 
In my dephense, I'm English.
The last time updates were installed on that box was April 2015, it would appear :-S
 
Defence is proper english right?
 
10:23 AM
@DaveRandom \o/
@Trucy Proper english is murican instead of queen's english
 
@DaveRandom dephpense*
@PeeHaa What is your favourite colour?
 
STOOOOP
 
@PeeHaa I'll try and prioritise that for you
 
You seem fannytroubled
4
 
/me closes chat
 
10:25 AM
ta ta!
 
:-P
 
mission accomplished. well done, team.
 
one RO down, 13 to go
 
Plenty
 
FUCK people not having their mobile next to them all the time
 
10:28 AM
no
 
mine is most often in another room, on silent, screen face down
 
I bury mine in the garden
 
fannytroubled is my new favourite word, I shall use it all the time in conversation .... with wife ...
 
Anonymous
lol
 
possibly also people who work in call centres ... just to fuck with them
(Steve has thick Indian accent and works for my ISP): "I ran analysis on my internet connection and it turns out it's fannytroubled, can you help me Steve?"
 
10:38 AM
 
Fun fact: Fanny is a name here.
 
Anonymous
As is Titty
 
@JoeWatkins Sorry, your mome raths appear to be outgrabe.
 
Which is the poshiest between ye olde UK englishe and french?
 
fanny was a name here 80 years ago ...
 
10:43 AM
I am using symfony2
$candidates = $this->_em->getRepository('EntityBundle:Candidates')->findBy(array('Key !='=>$key),array('id'=>'ASC'),$limit);
is not working
 
they all died one cold winter ... and nobody is cruel enough to name their child after colloquialism for vagina now ... that's what fanny is now ...
 
particularly
array('Key !='=>$key),
but its there in documentation
https://github.com/Kdyby/Doctrine/blob/master/docs/en/repository.md#user-content-entityrepository
anybody have any idea?
 
That looks horrible, you should probably use something not horrible.
 
Wes
:D
 
this is just a simple whats horrible in that?
 
10:49 AM
> No command 'password' found, did you mean:
> Command 'assword' from package 'assword' (universe)
See, now I'm just curious
 
@JayIsTooCommon no concrete plans...
 
> No command 'password' found, did you mean: > Command 'assword' from package 'assword' (universe)
 
@PeeHaa are you in a better humour now? :D
 
finger hovers over ignore button
 
10:52 AM
not the button I was expecting
 
:P
 
@Sean ubuntu?
 
Yup
Had a brain fart mid configuration and started using password instead of passwd
 
I fucked up Git so bad it turned into Guitar Hero https://t.co/vUKZJAQKWg
 
10:58 AM
I played with that thought
Can you guys open an issue so that I don't forget?
 
@Ekin s/anxiety/fannytrouble/
must enter normal conversation ... or I'll forget ...
 
@Exception If I had to pick one thing, the part where the comparison operators are part of a string
 
@PeeHaa done
 
ty
 
@JoeWatkins :P
 
Wes
11:02 AM
@PeeHaa imho if the sounds are emitted with the same tempo and samples use that bpm too, each type could be a different instrument :B
 
@PeeHaa also: make it properly utilize surround sound
 
dolby atmos? :-)
 
Wes
i think that's how "artists" like justin bieber create music :B
7.1 please
 
Anonymous
@Wes HEY
 
Anonymous
11:05 AM
back off
 
/me tags @Jay belieber
 
Wes
@tereško we don't want to live on this planet anymore, right?
 
ehh
 
@tereško Haven't sent it back yet, not sure how to because it's Spain, but when I get back this weekend I'll be taking a look at it again. Didn't get any further with the build because I want to wait for and build for 144hz 4K. I can wait a bit
 
Wes
6 writers lol
 
11:08 AM
I would just go with 21:9 with 144hz
 
:p
 
"writers"
 
> 🎼 "I'm a rocket ship on my way to Mars, On a collision course! I am a satellite, I'm out of control!" 🎼
 
Anonymous
11:22 AM
@PeeHaa have you got a midi piano ?
 
@JayIsTooCommon yeah
s/piano/keyboard
 
so, basically, today room11 is listening to Queen
 
I've also done some work ...
 
Wes
@Cerbrus kinda, they call me mr celsius
 
I haven't written any code in the last few days, and have got more done in the last few days than I have in the 6 months before it ... both at work, and in php-src ...
2
not sure how to feel about that ... but unavoidable facts are unavoidable facts ... maybe I'm more useful not writing code ...
3
 
Anonymous
11:28 AM
@PeeHaa yeah that, was gonna say it'll make creating those sounds easier/nicer :P
 
I have a bool column called "CountsTowardCommissionBand" and I would like a better name. Any ideas?
Basically it's on a sales lead, some lead types are payable but don't count towards hitting the next commission band
 
Wes
i have no idea what commission band means
 
the commission band is a rock band
 
Wes
:B
 
@Wes Maybe think "tier"? Like sales people if they get 100 sales they get paid £5/sale, but if they get 150 they get £6/sale
 
Anonymous
11:31 AM
@NikiC okies
 
There are some types of sale which still get paid, but don't count towards that 150
yes it is hideously complicated, and not my idea
Nevertheless, I need to name the flag something
 
Anonymous
InCommission ?
 
Well they are all still "in commission" (you get paid regardless), they just don't count towards tier advancement
 
Anonymous
oic
 
AdvancesCommissionBand might be better actually
The "commission band" nomenclature I also do not like, but that's not mine and it's too late to change it now
 
Wes
11:38 AM
could still be useful if you needed a name for a boy band...
 
Dunno, sounds like a boy band full of accountants
 
Wes
:B
 
Wes
11:59 AM
@JoeWatkins the routine kills the genius, kills the will, kills the passion. not making this up :B it's the reason music composers avoid playing music ...on purpose... for years. it's the reason leonardo finished paintings like the mona lisa one minute at a time...
 
@JoeWatkins There are things which take long time to do by their nature, and there are things which have a quick apparent progress…
Writing code is the first category…
Wading through PRs the latter…
 
Wes
procrastination is actually our defense mechanism against routine... routine is bad... we like exciting new things.
 
@Wes Writing code is exciting … unless you do dumb things…
 
hey whats up?
 
Anonymous
@bwoebi 'exciting'
 
12:03 PM
it isn't just about php-src stuff @bwoebi ... I'm doing that inbetween real work, as always ... at the moment we churn out what I would describe as legacy code, in two weeks time, we will start producing solid code, I've changed the workflow, written guidelines, convinced people of their value ... I tired all that before but could not dedicate real time to it because of code ...
it seems like I stop coding and everything improves by a factor of a million ...
5
 
Who the hell flagged that
You sir / ma'am are an idiot or a yuuuge fan
 
@JayIsTooCommon In the sense that coding is not really a routine
 
Wes
@bwoebi designing code is exciting, writing code is boring as fuck...
 
Anonymous
^
 
@Wes That's why I don't write that much code actually
@Wes also, if you get the right code to write, it's not that boring
 
Wes
12:06 PM
maybe
 
^ I am so much agree with what bob just said
If you thought about how you write it and it works out as expected it's pretty nice
 
Wes
but most of times it is boring writing down stuff that in your mind are already sorted out... if you understand what i mean
 
When I need to do micro-tasks where it's clear what I need to do and it's straightforward, but nevertheless going to be a bit more code… that's boring.
@Wes The interesting times are when you explore new ways
 
Wes
yeah it's not always bad, but most of times it is
 
Also… debugging C code (php-src :-)) is sometimes that non-trivial that I can take it as challenge being fun
@Wes it all depends on what you do
 
Wes
12:11 PM
yeah you probably write code that is generally about more exciting topics than mine :P
 
@Wes That's what I mean
That's probably also why @PeeHaa had so much fun with Jeeves …
 
Wes
:D
 
On a related note: I have a fetish for modeling stuff. For some reason I feel that as really satifying
 
Anonymous
what do you mean by modelling?
 
@PeeHaa: So you're a fetish model?
 
12:16 PM
nipple touching photography
 
@ZahidSaeed That looks more accurate now - though without seeing the actual spec., it's hard to comment on.
 
Basically the real life -> objects conversion
I should have expected those responses :P
 
yes you should
 
Wes
:P
 
12:18 PM
You seem fannytroubled
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa eh?
 
Anonymous
dumb it down
 
he means the thinking and design part of programming
 
@JayIsTooCommon Think about a real life business case and how that is going to be represented in the code
 
Anonymous
oic
 
12:21 PM
ugh people keep calling me today...
Aon't nobody got time fo dat
 
12:32 PM
@Wes will hopefully have time to play at the weekend, I rearranged office to get server (and necessary wires) in, so the pi's are in a box in a cupboard at the moment ...
 
guys, what to use to make a screenshot of the website (as it is rendered in firefox or chrome) in CI
or even just from crontab
?
 
I think phantom supports that
 
phantom-what
 
ha, that would be ok
any other nice solutions?
 
12:45 PM
Not that I now of right now
 
1:03 PM
@JoeWatkins If you can actually do things which improve the work of many devs … prioritize them, for sure … But I'm pretty sure you don't want to abandon code forever either. A short break is sometimes necessary…
 
Anyone seen 'Oldskool' around here last days?
 
Nope not lately I think
 
:(
Probably his on holiday.
 
@Jeeves You do tweet the best quotes, dear.
 
@Trucy I know right!
 
@kelunik Does that mean you can just call chrome with a flag?
yes looks like it
nice
 
ThW
morning
 
morgen thw
 
@PeeHaa I think it's not in a regular release yet.
 
@bwoebi I definitely don't want to abandon code ... but when you said earlier that programming isn't a routine ... well, it was/is for me, I get up in the morning and goto a text editor to see what file/project I should work on, I've done that for years and years and years, and the last few days show me I'm doing it wrong ...
code is all consuming, you can't be interrupted, you can't affect anything but what is in the editor ... I definitely am going to spend more time not-coding ... maybe most of my time ... until I run out of things to affect anyway
 
1:24 PM
I think we often forget how much of today's language Shakespeare gave us. Profound. https://t.co/VZm2kkK6mC
 
huh. gitamp says 5 people are listening
 
Wes
supernova captured by hubble
that would make a great loading screen
 
@Wes That's not how these things work...
That is pretty certainly just someone drawing how they think a supernova looks like
 
ThW
lol
 
the Hubble has done so much to help fund science
it's really been a blessing to nasa
 
1:31 PM
my bet is that it has|should have a note somewhere "Artists illustration of a supernova"
 
@kelunik doesn't seem to be a way to make it wait for all the async JS to load before --screenshot does it's thing
 
Wes
well, most of the stuff you see coming from hubble is made up for a big part. especially colors
 
I thought it was some sort of deliberate post-processing to make it look like an hour glass
 
@PeeHaa would you test the count as well please, I don't trust myself for the last commits :P /me is still at work
 
Wes
that looks to me too poor in quality to be just an "artist interpretation" :B
maybe it's magnified, improved, has the colors made up, but it's probably based on a real photo
 
1:37 PM
@Wes Actual images here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A
 
Anonymous
in Lounge<C++>, Jan 1 at 19:02, by Nooble
Having worked in the industry for over 20 years, I do admit it's getting kind of tiring.
 
Anonymous
@Duikboot He's been gone for a while I think
 
@JoeWatkins Coding less is surely not wrong… You can reach a lot by talking about code … but then and when I can spend a whole week doing nothing else but coding a specific thing I have in mind … Someone with your capacities is underselling himself if he's just churning out code all the time…
@Joe but still, you're a lot in this chat, talking about code … not just coding all the time.
 
Wes
@NikiC yeah i'm aware, but doesn't mean it's completely made up. again all photos that come from hubble are photoshopped in some way... sometimes heavily, but by scientists, not by picasso :P
 
Anonymous
Computers already bore me, i've only been doing this for 2 years. I'm probably in the wrong industry
 
Wes
1:42 PM
in fact the above photo is made up, but based on actual data behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/… hubble + vlt combined
 
@Wes not photoshopped, just false colors often enough
 
@JayIsTooCommon I'm in year 15
 
Anonymous
@Leigh are you bored ?
 
It's boring as hell, but it's easy, and I'm lazy
So I spend most of my time doing other stuff
I go through phases where it's interesting again, but maybe lasts a month or so at a time.
 
Anonymous
I think if I was contributing to something that I felt mattered, I'd find it more 'exciting'. But my systems here are used by a few thousand, which just doesn't interest me. I want millions to suffer, not just thousands.
 
1:51 PM
Yea I find it pretty hard to maintain traction on personal projects these days. Stuff that's "just for me"
 
Been doing it for over a decade, still excited
It's all about learning, whenever I stagnate it gets boring
 

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