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12:04 AM
@hakre , last time i used Fedora , 8th version was the new thing
 
@rdlowrey I don't know much about phpunit CLI, but I do like PhpStorm's integration of phpunit.
I like it's coverage report.
 
@tereško last time I used fedora, it was just called redhat
 
lol
 
i want to know what level my current knowledge is . . i think knowing that will help me know what to learn..
 
@JoeySalacHipolito , can you show us your latest code ?
 
12:12 AM
okies.. that is what I am about to do,
 
@JoeySalacHipolito do you know what a pointer is?
 
cursor type?
 
@ircmaxell , thats not required for php developers =P
 
@tereško I think it is
 
12:14 AM
here's the application i am currently working on,
btw, how am i going to post a code?
 
there are references in PHP, not real pointers? @ircmaxell
 
just past it?
 
we already have enough info, thank you
 
@JoeySalacHipolito , github would be a good option
 
12:15 AM
how much code? if a lot, pastebin.com (if one file)
 
just a few blocks of code..i think ill use paste bin, then will upload in git later,,so that you can suggest more
 
there is also gist.github.com
 
check this out
http://pastebin.com/7PLLYWQH
 
oh my ...
 
12:18 AM
because it seems that you tried to make MVC , but used codeigniter as source of learning
 
and you have a lot of duplicate code in there.
 
yeah, it seems like that @tereško
 
@JoeySalacHipolito have you see "clean code talks" on youtube ?
 
hihihihi.. i think i need to upload the whole application project, so that i can get some inputs from others..
@tereško, yes, but I can't understand much...
 
window[notifications.notify](data);
how to call object literals in JS ? window[notify](data); works
 
12:22 AM
english is not my native language, so understanding that 100% will take me 5 or more days...
@tereško, which video you are referring btw?
 
all 4
also , there are some other lectures you should watch : stackoverflow.com/questions/9846220/php-oop-core-framework/…
scroll down to "OOP beyond classes"
 
wow . . i've watched the first one..hehe...
 
yeah , well , there is a lot to watch
 
i've read some articles you posted about mvc, and found out, what I am doing is wrong, but can't redo my work,, i don't know what to do now, coz I got it wrong all this time... kinda frustrated
 
and you can also watch two more lectures : vimeo.com/13439458 and vimeo.com/13702091
 
oh , yeah , those were good , but i did not write them
i begun learning MVC myslef from r.je articles
 
yeah, i mean, you posted in after my question in stackoverflow. .
yeah, i really think it will definitely help me, hahaha, but i cannot understand some terminologies in there...
 
like what ?
 
let me look again
"Binding logic"
 
in what context ?
 
12:34 AM
i understand binding a bit, but not 100%..
what does binding mean for you?
 
data <-- binding --> control / field
like in a template where you tell a variable is being (out)put
 
"to bind value" would mean "to assign value"
 
waah, it's really hard to understand when it's not your native language, although it's straightforward...
 
"to bind object" would mean "to assign objects handler"
 
@tereško . . wow!!! that's the explanation i've been waiting for..
 
12:38 AM
thesaurus.com/browse/bind , the second meaning
also, every time someone uses the "english is not my native language" line, i get the urge to reach through the screen and throttle that someone
 
i don't know where to start learning again.. hmm, i think i understand oop quite well, and just need to expand more
hahahaha.. throttle me!
 
the lectures in that list would explain some of the advance OOP principles and laws
 
the videos?
 
yes
 
its difficult to understand, but what can I do, hahaha, i just need to understand it.
 
12:43 AM
as for improving your english , i can recommend listening to audiobooks , writing in chat and reading a lot
there is no magic pill for it
the audiobooks have this marvelous feature that you can listen to them while shopping or making food
 
yes, i got that., i'm not saying i do not understand everything when listening to the videos, although, I cannot understand them 100% . . As in everything,..lol
 
well .. it took me three tries to wrap my head around all the concepts
and you were watching the "intro" lecture , which just reviews things, that you should already understand
 
@rdlowrey By the way, I achieved near 100% coverage on the implemented classes in Data structures today. Joy. I suspect that there still might be a bug in the AVL (I don't think I've covered all of the delete cases). I like seeing green, and it's not even money :)
 
i think, also, i am a person that cannot understand concepts, theories especially when people just explained them, i tend to understand each while working on it. . while practicing, while coding. too bad, I am that kind of person, hahaha
do you have any ebooks you can recommend, coz internet here in philippines sucks, slow and has a limit of only 800mb per day,. can't watch or even download the videos in the list.
 
> As for common practices, most of the CI applications I've seen return "raw" database data back to the controller for handling; This keeps the domain business logic within the model. My personal preference in CIMVC is to minimize the amount of logic in the models, with exceptions being mainly for certain types of data verification and some formatting.
@orourkek , this is wrong. If you send raw data back to the controller, it forces the domain business logic in the controllers
@JoeySalacHipolito there were three books under the video list
and .. emm .. 800MB per day ?!? WTF
You are using your internet through phone or something ?
 
12:56 AM
hahaha, broadband . .
also my max download speed is 1mbps...
 
@tereško Some ISPs do limit your total bandwidth usage over certain periods.
 
oO
 
And I don't mean phone internet.
 
i have this book "PHP Object-Oriented
Solutions" is it quite good to start on?
by : David Powers
 
it should give you some basics , yes
and as for the internet , i have 50 Mbit/s line with no download limits and it's this slow because i am using the cheapest option
to me your situation sounds extremely bizarre
 
12:59 AM
lol at slow..haha. isps here in PH is just making money..
 
well .. here too
 
they offer 100mbps or more, but hell yeah, 25-40LK pesos...how am i suppose to pay that
 
since this month i even have to pay 5$ more , because they decided to drop the 20Mbit/s option and now the slowest one is 50Mbit/s
 
that is equal to $600-$800 . .
 
1:02 AM
that makes learning slower..hahaha..but i am desperate..i am willing to learn.. rawr..
 
i guess you will have to download one lecture per day then
there are tools that let you download youtube videos to your computer
 
yes, im using internet download manager..kinda cool. i don't want to hit the lmit for the day,i wont be able to use the internet if i do...
 
you really need to look into a connection which does not have a limit attached
 
i will soon, but i'm still waiting for my money...
anyway, thanks for the answers and stuffs for the day, i seriously needs to learn
thanks!!
 
user895378
1:21 AM
@LeviMorrison I'm right there with you. It's so nice when everything is green.
 
Woot, got a shout out on devhell
(I was heckling in IRC)
 
1:43 AM
@rdlowrey What do you do to exclude interface definitions from code coverage?
As well as exceptions/
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison just take a look at the test/unit.xml file I've got in the repo.
 
@ircmaxell The reason I said you shouldn't throw an exception on missing file in something like fopen is that you can make sure the file exists before doing an operation. You can't really do the same for a SQL query. Now, you could probably persuade me that it should should throw an exception for consistency's sake.
 
user895378
It's the entries in the <exclude> tag inside <filter><whitelist addUncoveredFilesFromWhitelist="true">
 
$PdoStatement->willQueryRunWithoutProblems(); //yeah right
 
@LeviMorrison Well, I see it as a question of does the error force me to change execution flow (in that nothing will work if I keep going). If so, it's exceptional. If not, it's likely not...
 
1:49 AM
@ircmaxell I like that school of thought, personally. I don't think we should force people to use that thinking. Regardless of what happens, though, error handling needs to be improved.
Unfortunately, that means a lot of BC.
 
Understandable, but I think it should be forced, as the alternative (ignoring errors and not understanding why code is broken in weird and mysterous ways). is far worse...
 
@ircmaxell I'd have to think about it a bit more before going that far down that path. It might be the right decision, I'm not sure.
 
yeah, that's quite fair
 
@ircmaxell By the way, here is a woefully incomplete idea for PHP 6: wiki.php.net/rfc/php6-rethink
It's complete enough I don't mind handing it out to certain people.
 
2:04 AM
hrm... it's interesting... I'm not so sure about the return types, and you really need to elaborate on the error cases there (passing a string to a int hinted param), etc...
 
Oh, certainly.
 
hey fellas
@ircmaxell how do you become a voter on issues like that finally RFC? (not that I think i have the knowledge/experience/rep to be one, just curious)
 
You either need commit access to something (docs, core, etc), or be a significant community member...
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison Is the Host header subject to nefarious manipulation? i.e. if someone puts in a bogus host value the request won't even arrive at its destination, right? I'm trying to determine if I can trust the $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] value to determine an explicitly specified port number.
 
Well, it depends on server configuration
If you're using IP based vhosts (or have a default vhost setup), you can't trust the HOST header, as it'll largely be ignored by the server...
 
user895378
2:19 AM
Well, for example, with Apache the only way I can see to determine the URI's host component for a request in PHP is to use the value of $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] ... If you can't trust the Host header, there's no way to establish the absolute request URI
 
:-D
 
user895378
How hard would it really be for php to give you access to the raw URI? Seriously. Why do I even have to parse suspect header values from $_SERVER
 
user895378
This annoys me.
 
because PHP never gets the raw URI
 
user895378
I guess it probably depends on what the SAPI gives php, but still, that seems like an obvious thing ...
 
user895378
2:22 AM
I suppose I could force-feed a configuration directive to specify the host for a given app, but that seems so unpalatable.
 
I still need a user-submitted question to answer for Wednesday's blog post
 
user895378
If you're desparate you can answer Dan from Myrtle Beach's query about why the hell PHP isn't trusted with the absolute request URI by SAPIs ... but I doubt many people will care about that :)
 
user895378
But can a request even arrive at the correct destination with a Host header that isn't correct? A proxy request doesn't specify a Host header, but a proxy request has the absolute URI in its request line and it shows up in $_SERVER when a request like this arrives. I need to determine if a request with a manipulated Host header could still get to your server -- If not, then you can reliably determine the absolute URI.
 
user895378
I don't see how a nefarious Host header would ever arrive, so it seems it could be trusted. Of course, I know far less than everything there is to know in this area.
 
It can arrive
If you're using an IP based vhost, the host header plays no part in routing
so I can send a request to a default vhost with the host header set to google.com
 
user895378
2:30 AM
Oh, I see what you're saying. I didn't internalize the IP comment from earlier.
 
damn ... there was a small moment
MVP is not what i thought it is.
This is what you get for not really checking the facts.
 
:-P
 
Also .. this article makes me feel a bit hipster-ish
Internet has (re)discovered Erlang
 
user895378
@ircmaxell So how about $_SERVER['SERVER_*'] Is it correct that the SERVER_* values are given to PHP directly by the SAPI and are trustworthy?
 
That depends on your definition of trustworthy
 
user895378
2:44 AM
Well, for example, on my local machine if I fire up httpd and visit 127.0.0.1 I get server values like this:
 
user895378
[SERVER_SOFTWARE] => Apache/2.2.22 (Fedora)
[SERVER_NAME] => 127.0.0.1
[SERVER_ADDR] => 127.0.0.1
 
user895378
Can I assume the server name and address haven't been fiddled with?
 
theoretically, correct.
but I'd rather not assume anything
 
user895378
Okay. Thanks for entertaining my questions :)
 
3:24 AM
@tereško As long as it doesn't change how it applies to web, you are okay :)
I haven't yet dissected the link you gave.
Bookmarked, though
 
@LeviMorrison , here is the trick : is does not apply to web at all
and most of links are dead
@LeviMorrison , also the PDF is available here : wildcrest.com/Potel/Portfolio/mvp.pdf
i suspect that both @rdlowrey and @ircmaxell too would be interested in that paper
 
user895378
@tereško I've got it bookmarked. I want to read that as well as the ORM antipattern series you linked earlier.
 
3:43 AM
@LeviMorrison What do you need to be able to vote on an RFC for PHP? I created an account, but that doesn't seem to be enough.
 
3:58 AM
2 hours ago, by ircmaxell
You either need commit access to something (docs, core, etc), or be a significant community member...
 
thanks, good to know.
 
i just wrote the shittiest 126 lines of code anyone has ever written
 
@Lusitanian I'm pretty sure I have seen worse.
 
there's an obvious error in that script i just realized (in the while loop) -- but meh, i don't know; it'd certainly be hard to find worse
though i guess it could be done
 
I've been meaning to learn a functional language for quite some time.
I keep debating over which.
I am not completely decided, but I may just go with Erlang.
It's been around a long time unlike the hipster ones.
Thanks for sharing that link, @tereško.
 
4:07 AM
what about haskell?
 
Hipster.
 
it's been around a looong time
it came out in 1990................?
 
@Lusitanian It's had a smaller following than erlang (until recently).
 
@hakre vb6 is so great. and by great i mean what the hell are you doing with vb6 :P
 
4:08 AM
And erlang appeared in 1986.
 
meh, fair enough
if i were to learn one i think it'd be haskell
 
@Lusitanian that was the version prior it was replaced by this QT based one: hashcat.net/hashcat-gui
 
ahhh
 
@rdlowrey The bug I thought I had in the AvlTree turned out to be non-existent. Horay!
 
user895378
@LeviMorrison lol I love those bugs!
 
4:15 AM
i love it when i change my ssh key pw and forget it
i sincerely hope i'll remember it overnight or i'm screwed yay. good night
 
5:15 AM
how can you get to know the errors from shell_exec.. cos at times it doesn't give any output string..
 
@ShyamK Use exec or passthru (see the return_var argument).
 
but isn't exec used to run an external program?
Also shell_exec has a return type of string.. but at times this doesn't display..
I just wanna run commands via terminal.. rather than a whole program.
like logging in to another user and stuff related to that
sorry.. what was that ? I was reading up on passthru
@Paul
 
sorry, i was a little confused. I don't usually call other programs from PHP.
 
5:32 AM
thing is I need to host another site on the local server. But I was told that I had to do it using `shell_exec`
My steps for achieving this are as follows...
1. Create a new user.
2. Log in as that user.
3. Make a public_html for that user...
4. `svn co` the code into the public_html folder
currently I am able to create a new user.. but am unable to know whether the log in has been successful or not..
`$login = shell_exec("echo password | sudo -S login username & whoami; 2>&1");`
This returns the present user name (www-data).. not the one that I wanna log into...
any idea what I am doing wrong?
or any other method for achieving the same?
 
exec is easier to use because you get the full output and return value if you pass in the arguments.
 
k.. I shall try exec.. and get back to you
 
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@ShyamK if i was doing this, i would first write a shell script that does what I want, then call it from php
 
@Paul hmm.. but then how do I change the username depending on the site?
I need to host more than one site locally... and each has got to have a meaningful (or the site name) as the username
 
5:42 AM
@ShyamK I think you could do it easier if you changed the group ownership settings.
 
group ownership?
what is that?
 
do "ls -l" of a directory in a terminal.
Most current file systems have methods of administering permissions or access rights to specific users and groups of users. These systems control the ability of the users to view or make changes to the contents of the filesystem. Differences between operating systems Unix-like and otherwise POSIX-compliant systems, including Linux-based systems and all Mac OS X versions, have a simple system for managing individual file permissions, which in this article are called "traditional Unix permissions". Most of these systems also support some kind of access control lists, either proprietary (ol...
 
hmm... k. read through that.. didn't understand much.. But I guess what you mean is to make a group that has root permissions and then create a user in that group and proceed?
 
you might have a www-site group, with each website having a specific user that is a member of the www-site group.
-rwxrwx--- www-user1 www-site file.php # (permissions, user, group, filename)
the www-site now has read, write and execute permissions, so that it can do what is needed to setup the site. However, www-user1 shouldn't be able to read www-user2's files.
 
6:01 AM
ya.. but I am currently unable to log in from one user to another.. that is the actual problem.. the current user does n't have read write permission in the user2 home directory.. and hence can't write into it..
 
take php out of the equation, get it working on the shell (bash/sh/ksh whatever) first.
 
k :D
b4 I start shell scripting I wanna ask you if php can pass values into the shell script?
can it?
 
yes, as arguments, its not a great idea passing passwords though
 
hmm... but I will require to pass the passwords.. as this needs to go to the system admins via mail later.. and plus... How else can you set the passwords?
@Paul had this open already.. :D
oh.. sorry... was looking at escapeshellcmd not escapeshellarg
 
6:12 AM
hello @DanielsPitkevičs
 
@ShyamK Power back in India?
 
ya.. seems so.. wonder how long it'll last..
@DanielsPitkevičs
 
@ShyamK Good, good. Everyone can continue programming now ^^
 
:D
 
Noone can respond to my question at serverfault, which also is connected with PHP?
:)
 
6:23 AM
Greetings
 
@deceze Morning
 
I put global $safe;` and now its working. Thanks Nile. — user1204032 8 mins ago
 
@deceze What the hell... :D global = safe.
 
global $safe? is it some kind of big ass safe where you can store all the secrets of the world? and its got a dead-bolt?
 
oh god... he didnt show all of his code, I just wanted to see if I knew what the problem was
 
6:27 AM
While I've never used CI, I see nothing in the Smalltalk/traditional MVC definition that excludes CakePHP and other MVC frameworks. In Cake the model layer is primarily comprised of a domain object and data mapper. The fact that in web frameworks, the model layer is comprised of model classes is irrelevant. It's still the same architectural pattern. In fact, the bullet list of domain object responsibilities is pretty much a point-for-point description of a standard Cake model. — Lèse majesté 3 hours ago
 
As the all-time top answerer for Cake I can say that Cake's models fsck donkey arms. Big time. :)
5
 
help : how to detect a video's dimensions is vertical or horizontal in ffmpeg in php
 
The only good thing about Cake is its router/reverse router, which I quite like and a few assorted helper bits and pieces. The overall architecture and especially the we're-active-record-oh-wait-no-we're-not-yes-we-are model implementation is a total trainwreck.
 
@YogeshSaroya ffmpeg -i lemonparty.mpeg
 
6:39 AM
@tereško thanks i will try this
 
if (Configure::read('Security.salt') == 'DYhG93b0qyJfIxfs2guVoUubWwvniR2G0FgaC9mi') {
trigger_error(__d('cake_dev', 'Please change the value of \'Security.salt\' in app/Config/core.php to a salt value specific to your application'), E_USER_NOTICE);
}
what does "Configure::read" mean
 
Configure is a configuration registry, essentially just a global key - value store.
 
what :: means :/ @deceze
 
Configure::read('Security.salt') is basically equal to global $config_security_salt;
 
6:44 AM
@DextOr Really? Read about OOP, please.
 
the :: is scope operator
 
:P
 
the Configure::read() notation means that you are calling a static function from Configure class
 
thx @tereško :D
 
How do I pass variable to php script from command line?
example: php test.php 5
I tried in script using $ARGV[0], but no result
 
6:46 AM
this static function will read a value from static variable
 
ok so Configure is a Class name ......
 
@DanielsPitkevičs , have you tried php://input ?
 
@tereško Not really, what is that?
 
@DextOr , yes , it is class name , but in case of static functions it actually acts like a namespace
 
lolss..... namespace ?
ok ok .... I will learn can you tell me where to learn oop in php
?
 
6:49 AM
not in the cakephp source code
 
^ for starters
 
thx @deceze
 
Ok, my bad - $argv[0] passes me first argument which is filename after php, $argv[1] gives me correct respond
 
@DextOr i would suggest reading ether "PHP Object-Oriented Solutions" or "PHP in Action" and watching "Clean Code Talkss" on youtube
 
yes @tereško I am trying to work on Cakephp and gettin weird errors :P
 
6:50 AM
my condolences
 
And now, back to my god damn cacti error which will kill me, slowly but constantly
 
can anyone give me a hand with some code?
 
Anyone good at cacti systems?
 
22 mins ago, by deceze
As the all-time top answerer for Cake I can say that Cake's models fsck donkey arms. Big time. :)
Do you really want to get into Cake? :3
 
@tereško I m getting this errror
Missing Controller

Error: Index.phpController could not be found.

Error: Create the class Index.phpController below in file: app\Controller\Index.phpController.php

<?php
class Index.phpController extends AppController {

}
Notice: If you want to customize this error message, create app\View\Errors\missing_controller.ctp
yes :C
 
6:52 AM
@DextOr , at a guess , your .htaccess file is fucked
 
^ correct
 
@DextOr class IndexController extends AppController
 
But I just downloaded the pack. n didnt touched a thing :/
yeah three places
 
@DextOr , are you actually running Apache server ? If yes, are you allowed to enable RewriteEngine ?
 
yea M on Wamp server
now what is RewriteEngine ? O_o
 
6:55 AM
this is what happens when people relay on canned webservers
for it to be available, you need permissions for override FileInfo directive in apache
 
I tried searching for the sol. at this link cakephp.1045679.n5.nabble.com/…
 
but at end it fux :P
 
well ... here is a free thought: if you are trying to use cakephp for the first time , just stop
 
Copy That @tereško
now ...... I must start the oops tuts .....Right ? @tereško
 
7:02 AM
instead i would recommend for you to expand your current OOP skills. At the bottom of this answer there is a list of lectures and three books that would be helpful
 
@tereško Thx :D for the study Materials :S :| +_+
 
in my opinion, you should have a solid understanding in OOP before you start using php frameworks , otherwise you will just learn bad practices and get stuck with a single framework
 
Yea I will keep these tips in mind ..
 
when you understand how to utilize polymorphism and can explain S.O.L.I.D. principles and Law of Demeter in your own words , then you should research available frameworks .. it will let you see the flaws and be able to pick lesser evil for each project
 
what is "Law of Demeter" ?
In computer programming, SOLID (Single responsibility, Open-closed, Liskov substitution, Interface segregation and Dependency inversion) is a mnemonic acronym introduced by Robert C. Martin in the early 2000s that stands for five basic principles of object-oriented programming and design. The principles when applied together intend to make it more likely that a programmer will create a system that is easy to maintain and extend over time. Overview {| class="wikitable" style="width: auto; font-size: 95%; table-layout: fixed; line-height:1.25; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;" |- ! In...
Subtype polymorphism, almost universally called polymorphism in the context of object-oriented programming, is the ability to create a variable, a function, or an object that has more than one form. In principle, polymorphism can arise in other computing contexts and shares important similarities with the concept of degeneracy in biology. The purpose of polymorphism is to implement a style of programming called message-passing in the literature, in which objects of various types define a common interface of operations for users. In strongly typed languages, polymorphism usually means ...
 
ok @tereško
 
here is another hint: when it comes to OOP theory and design patters , wikipedia is pretty much useless
yes , it has alll the right words , but the articles are dry and will not explain anything
 
yeah but they are fine to just create a prototype regarding topic :/
bye guys thanks for Info :D
 
whats this ? @tereško :\
useing ???
 
morning
 
yay
 
Sem
@PeeHaa Good morning
@tereško en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming looks rather nice to me.. especially the external links
 
congratulations, you managed to miss the point again
 
Sem
@tereško When do you stop being an ass and accept other people their opinions?
 
morning
 
morning
 
whew nice google doodle, i managed to knock out all the ramps. .
 
@PeeHaa I even upped some vb6 code the night.
 
8:11 AM
@hakre I just saw it :)
 
@hakre Do you feel dirty now?
 
@Leigh Hmm, I have the feeling I'm missing something. :)
 
@hakre vb6 ... feel dirty ... like you rolled in pig poop
 
Maybe on some meta-level.
 
help : its not working in cakephp

$command=Configure::read('Video.ffmpeg_path') . ' -vf "transpose=1" -i '.$path.' '.$new_path.' ';
$output = shell_exec ( $command );
 
8:27 AM
undefined function socket_create(), i have enabled my php sockets ? is there any more to be checked, i'm using googles websocket sample for php?? running in the terminal it says undefined function socket_create()??
 
then you do not have sockets it looks like.
and I will now go on my socks.
l8ters
 
help : its not working in cakephp

$command=Configure::read('Video.ffmpeg_path') . ' -vf "transpose=1" -i '.$path.' '.$new_path.' ';
$output = shell_exec ( $command );
 
@Yogesh Yes, we've all seen that before, but "its not working" is not a problem we can help with.
 
8:45 AM
i uncommented the,extension=php_sockets.dll in php.ini and on my phpinfo sockets is enabled what else?? is there something to change on the appache side??
 
Good morning, or rather day, everyone.
 
Good rather day, @Whisperity
 
I asked a question yesterday that nobody answered. Is resource clean-up done at end of script or end of scope? (i.e. when a function returns, are open resources closed?)
 
@Leigh Good question. I'd imagine it's done by the garbage collection routines, which close resources when they dispose of the values of unset/out-of-scope variables. I guess asking our PHP internal experts would be good though...
 
Not really sure what I could test with.
maybe with flock
 
8:57 AM
Am I the only one who always reads flock as "flog"...? ^_^;;
 
I think so :)
 

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