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8:00 PM
:) it's just that in my company (one I work for) is 5.2.17 used hehe
twitter.com/#!/appletards <- anyone knows this guy?
Crossover cable can be used to connect computer to router... is this something introduce recently or it has been like that ever since?
(damn I ask too many stupid questions today)
 
@webarto hehe
"always" has been
An Ethernet crossover cable is a type of Ethernet cable used to connect computing devices together directly. Normal straight through or patch cables were used to connect from a host network interface controller (a computer or similar device) to a network switch, hub or router. A cable with connections that "cross over" was used to connect two devices of the same type: two hosts or two switches to each other. Owing to the inclusion of Auto-MDIX capability, modern implementations of the Ethernet over twisted pair standards usually no longer require the use of crossover cables. Overvie...
reminds me of the sad days I was a network admin and had to make them.
 
user895378
@edorian shared this with me a while back and I've been using it to great effect. If you unit test, pywatch is the only way to go. It listens for changes in your source code directory and runs your tests automatically when a file is modified. It's perfect for a dual monitor setup where you have your editor in one and the shell window running pywatch in the other.
 
WTF NSFL (L=Life) but SWF
 
user895378
And pywatch is better than the built-in watch command because it will display colored coverage output in the linux flavors that don't support colored watch output.
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa awesome :)
@rlemon read it today, was like O_o
 
user895378
8:12 PM
@rlemon I'm filing that away under "things I wish I didn't find out about"
 
@rdlowrey Same.
 
@rlemon might be just me, but those things aren't extreme enough for me. +1 for the internet generation ;)
@rlemon lol
 
user895378
@rlemon omg you just made me choke on my water and cough it all over the keyboard
 
@rlemon Beards are awesome
 
@rdlowrey too sexy for SO, he had to change his avatar (and grow a beard for disguise)
 
user895378
8:15 PM
nah, I've got perma-beard
 
user895378
@rlemon Don't remind me. I'll be 30 at the end of the summer.
 
30 is the new 20
 
@webarto What does that even mean?
 
actually (30-10) is the new 20
or ++19
 
user895378
I'd say 20 is the new 20. And incidentally, also the old 20.
 
8:17 PM
@rdlowrey You heard the news about trollolol guy, right?
 
20 is the new thirty, only if; -10 is the new 0
 
user895378
@GordonM saw that. very sad.
 
@GordonM yeah so sad :(
It is truly a weird world where people around the world mourn the passing of a Soviet era singer who faded into obscurity over 40 years ago..
 
Sonic screwdriver doesn't work as an umbrella I guess
 
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev expressed his condolences for the performer Monday.
President Vladimir Putin also expressed his condolences to Khil’s wife and son.
In soviet russia [insert here]
 
8:21 PM
internet trolls you?
 
internet trololols you
 
:)
 
@rdlowrey You have 1 year on me
3 messages moved to bin
 
awwww
-> 1 message moved to bin
 
user895378
@ircmaxell I can feel the 30 creeping up on me. I knew it was coming when I began to frequently stay in and write code instead of going out and doing stupid stuff involving girls and alcohol on weekends.
 
8:25 PM
Anyone with good mysql knowledge?
 
user895378
25 year-old-me wouldn't have done that. But now I don't even care.
 
@rdlowrey Pro Tip: Pick up girls at the Apple Bar and they don't mind you bringing your macbook to bed with you.
 
SELECT id from private_messages WHERE to_id=? AND opened=0 doesn return anything but SELECT id from private_messages WHERE to_id=? AND opened<>1 returns results where opened is 0. Who can explain this result?
 
@rlemon ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
@epic_syntax NULL?
 
user895378
@rlemon uggh ... if only I were cool enough to be an apple fanboy. Alas, there's no "Hippie-linux-user" equivalent to the Apple Store.
 
8:26 PM
@ircmaxell what null?
 
@rdlowrey just wear the t-shirt the hipsters won't know the diff.
 
@epic_syntax the values of the field?
 
user895378
@rlemon hehe good call.
 
@ircmaxell 0 or 1. I want to retrun all with 0. it works when I send query lik opened <> 1 but why doesn't work with opened = 0
 
8:28 PM
What baby?! It's the new 3D Apple Book Pro Air X 8000
 
@rdlowrey you need one of these! zug.com/pranks/powerbook
 
user895378
@rlemon It's a proof-of-concept ... just in from China. Oh yeah, it's environmentally conscious.
 
@epic_syntax What's the type of the column?
 
@GordonM Tinyint
 
@rdlowrey Also, if you are hungry there is the add-on feature "a snack on the back"
 
8:31 PM
@epic_syntax Nullable?
 
user895378
@GordonM that's awesome!
 
THIS IS REAL!
 
this i dont get the point of: github.com/HPNeo/gmaps
to me it looks similar to the native gmaps api lol
 
I am very interested in your unit
 
@GordonM no not
 
8:38 PM
hmm
 
user895378
P-P-P-POWERBOOK!
 
Not sure if opened is an SQL keyword.
Have you tried putting opened in backticks?
 
> It seems he was so excited his scam was going to work, he couldn't even type correctly!
 
Hi all
 
8:42 PM
Is there a way to connect to a ftp in localhost
 
I suspect he got someone who spoke better English than he did to write the introductory letter.
 
Whats the best robots.txt setup?
 
@MikeBoutin $ ftp ftp://localhost
 
@GordonM i try to connect to a serveur from my localhost
so it will be
ipAdress://localhost ?
@GordonM with that i'm i ok ? php.net/manual/en/ftp.examples-basic.php
 
8:46 PM
@MikeBoutin What are you using ? MAMP/LAMP/WAMP?
 
@Nick wamp
 
4 mins ago, by GordonM
@MikeBoutin $ ftp ftp://localhost
 
@Nick i don't understand this guys
 
localhost is your "ip address"
 
ok but how i login with user and password ?
 
8:48 PM
depends what you set your wamp as
 
and i need to create, copy and delete folders and files
 
@Nick lmgtfy.com/?q=i+just+wanted+a+simple+advice+ty
ty
 
@MikeBoutin so use something like filezilla server
 
it must be a script :/
 
8:52 PM
1
A: Test FTP locally with WAMP 2.0?

icioYes. You can use PHP's FTP functions from your local machine. If you are wanting to test these functions by connecting to an FTP server on your local machine then you will need to set one up. I believe that there's a FileZilla Server which would get you up and running with that, but I couldn't te...

 
a cron task who will get all files and folders
@Nick TY it showed me how! Sometimes i just don't know how to put it in words
 
@MikeBoutin yw
 
9:13 PM
Can someone explain <?=
Hello?
 
@Techboy6601 shorthand echo syntax
 
how do I use it?
 
thank you
 
Sam
9:22 PM
Evening
 
...
Wow. Just, wow.
 
Sam
Anyone done the Zend PHP 5 certification?
 
9:34 PM
@RepWhoringPeeHaa I don't think he is: stackoverflow.com/users/1436082/doug-jerklins
 
Sam
Worth doing?
 
@LeviMorrison looks like a fake to me
@Sam depends
 
Sam
What on?
 
@Sam maybe when you are fresh from school and don't have any experience
 
Sam
Ive been working mainly as a front end dev for a year, and around 3 months php, so still pretty nooby
 
9:38 PM
What's a good size for a horizontal banner?
 
Sam
Still no helpful answers on my question :( Can you think of any improvements i could make to it? stackoverflow.com/questions/10866098/…
@Techboy6601 An ad banner?
 
No, a banner that goes across the top for a sit
site*
I'm having it 25% away from both sides though
 
Sam
Normally around a 1000px, but you may want to make it more responsive than a fixed size
 
1000px by 1000px?
 
@Techboy6601 I mostly use 960px width for fixed width sites
 
9:40 PM
oh
 
1024px (min resolution - scroll bars etc)
 
940px here
 
I'm on a netbook so like 600px here
 
Sam
960px by 300px? Maybe play around with the size to see what looks best
 
How do you make it more responsive?
Should I make a different pic for different resolutions?
 
9:41 PM
That is a very open-ended question
I would suggest reading up on "responsive design" if you're really interested
 
Sam
VERY
There is many different ways to make your site more responsive
 
that's CSS3 only
 
@Techboy6601 Though, be wary of anyone who tells you that responsive design is "the only way" or "the way of the future"
 
unfortunately IE6 still has a big impact on the browser market >_<
 
@Techboy6601 huh?
 
Sam
9:43 PM
I find it adds a lot of time to development, so i sometimes end up having to skip some bits :(
 
where? in china perhaps
 
well, the only IE browser now with CSS3 is IE9
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa IE7 is still prevalent
 
that means IE8-IE6 are still being used by the majorities
 
not IE6
 
9:44 PM
@Techboy6601 not may be the case but ie6 is non existent (not really, but screw them)
 
Sam
IE6 still has a big enough impact to warrant developing for it though
 
IE6 is officially a legacy project afaik
 
again unless you need to develkop for china
 
No it doesn't
 
@Sam wrong
 
Sam
9:45 PM
It is regularly a client requirement for me
 
With 7 billion people, that's still a lot
 
really? who uses ie6 ?
 
And I know not everyone has internet but still..
 
IE6 usage could be fairly large on certain sites, but overall is is not widely used, and forcefully upgraded to at least IE7 iirc
 
Sam
9:46 PM
Business users who have legacy applications running on IE6
 
@Techboy6601 If you think developing for IE6 is a smart idea, have fun wasting hours and hours to please the 4 people who still use it
 
@Sam most have already upgraded
 
Sam
Do you have a source for that?
 
I thought you were forced to upgrade to IE7
 
@Nick I'm sure if they knew about Chrome/Firefox etc. they would upgrade but remember most of the majority of internet users are not that tech-savvy
 
9:47 PM
But even with all of that being said, graceful degredation is still a great idea
 
degredation?
 
@Sam Call it experience in the field
 
Sam
It might be worth my time mentioning it to clients and saving myself some time
 
@Sam pc get upgraded. newer version of windows don't support ie6
 
@Techboy6601 Yeah but how many people are using OS's before XP
@Sam Is this for CSS stuff ?
 
9:48 PM
@Nick As of now XP is the most popular Windows platform and it can still run IE6 without forcing you to upgrade
 
Sam
I wasnt the one who asked in the first place
It was for responsive design
 
@Sam oh my bad I just jumped into the conversation
 
@Techboy6601 You're advocating towards developing IE6-friendly sites, but you don't know what graceful degradation is??
 
@Techboy6601 7 billion people? That doesn't make sense. There aren't 7 billion people on the internet
 
IMO that's the only way anyone should develop for anything <IE9
 
Sam
9:50 PM
IE Getting as many features working in IE6 as possible, and providing alternatives for other parts. Using such things as css3pie
 
@Techboy6601 If you still need to develop for ie6 you / the people in your organization are doing it wrong imo. Sure we also support it meaning it kinda works in ie6. If clients want to it get it really working they have to pay for it. -> nobody wants it when they hear this and the fact that only 1.2% of all people use ie6
 
@Nick oh my bad I thought it was degradion
 
And inlcuding those 1.2% are lots of chinese people
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa Exactly. Content appears in IE6, but making it look nice is a waste of resources. (= poor management)
 
do the math
 
9:51 PM
Hmm....considering the current discussion, I think I'm going to move my business elsewhere...
 
You know what... why don't I just redirect <IE8 users to a 'browser upgrade' page?
 
Because that's hateful
 
@Christian let me guess. You are still using ie6? amirite? ;)
 
@Techboy6601 haha that's what I do
 
Would fit your 'profile' ;)
 
9:52 PM
And the original conversation was about screen resolution, not browser :p
We got totally sidetracked
 
Sam
As we are talking about developing for IE6, whats your opinion on developing for non js users?
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa I wouldn't be surprised he uses a old Nokia phone XP. Sorry I won't start..
 
@Nick hehe that's what I meant :)
 
@Sam ...BURN EMM!!...
 
still a good phone though :)
 
9:53 PM
@Sam I display a banner across the top stating that some features of the site won't work
 
You shouldn't redirect your users away from your site just because of an older browser, that's just business suicide...
 
Who said I'm running a business?
 
<!--[if lt IE 7]><p class="chromeframe">Your browser is <em>ancient!</em> <a href="http://browsehappy.com/">Upgrade to a different browser</a> or <a href="http://www.google.com/chromeframe/?redirect=true">install Google Chrome Frame</a> to experience this site.</p><![endif]-->
 
@Sam my sites will work without js
 
easy as pie
 
9:54 PM
@orourkek bingo
 
Sam
I do the same @Techboy6601. I find that making a quick efficient site is impossible without ajax and other javascript technologies
 
most of them at least :)
 
Plus, it makes the site more fluid making people want to stay on
 
Oh come on, it's not that hard to have JS fallbacks
 
@Techboy6601 I would say content is most important (and readable)
 
9:55 PM
But again, most people aren't tech-savy, so I doubt they have any idea what Javascript is, let alone how to disable it
 
@ircmaxell Yes. And GL Tweeting.
 
Sam
Anyone know the percentage of people without js?
 
You assume everyone with js disabled is doing so willingly?
@Sam no one does, they can't be tracked effectively, because of no js
 
@Sam I have it disabled per default
 
 
9:56 PM
That is what is highly suggested nowadays, especially for windows users.
Disable javascript and plugins.
 
why?
 
Otherwise your system will be doomed.
 
lmao nevermind 2010
 
Sam
Mine has been fine for years with js and plugins on
 
lol
 
9:57 PM
The first thing you should do is install a good free antivirus like Malwarebytes or AVG
 
Well I have them on as well, but first of all I have them off.
 
And to be honest with Chrome its practically impossible
 
When there is a site that deserves my computer to work for, I switch it on.
 
Whatever you do always disable java in browser whether you are on windows or something else.
 
@Techboy6601 ewww, microsoft security essentials for a free solution
 
9:58 PM
And yeah I really need that horseshit called java
 
Sam
@Nick i have that
 
I've had way too many people think their okay with the free version of AVG
 
Sam
.
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa Chrome asks you for permission before running Java plugins :)
 
9:59 PM
Chrome also can ask for permission for javascript and other plugins.
works pretty well.
 
@Sam If anything it's crap 2.0
 
Sam
@RepWhoringPeeHaa Apologies i thought you said ajax, you meant java
 

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