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12:15 AM
hey all
 
12:25 AM
I hate over-draft fees. I have the money, it's just in a different account. Can't you pull it automatically? They tell me, yes, but not from that account. Well why flipping not?
 
12:47 AM
im struggling to figure out if this step is worth it
doing a db query attempting to get any new information provided since last login
right now, i get all the data back, compare 1 column which will indicate if the info is new or not, and if it is new, commit all the data to the db. if its old, i just toss it
how much more efficient would it be to compare the columns during the query process, and return nothing if its old, and return the row if its new?
i get the feeling the latter is better
 
@JMRboosties What information are you providing? Does it come from one table?
 
@LeviMorrison yes
 
@JMRboosties check edit
 
@LeviMorrison just a couple of columns
 
Do you record timestamps in the database?
 
12:52 AM
no but i ought to huh
ive done that method before, forgot to this time
 
if you use timestamps, this becomes trivial.
When authenticating the user, grab the last logged-in time and return all results in your table newer than that.
However
you could likely achieve better performance by logging the last id that the user has been notified of.
Then you simply query results greater than that id.
I am not an SQL expert, but I've done a little bit of performance analysis.
However, if edited items can be redisplayed, the id method won't work.
Timestamps are more robust.
Without knowing more, I don't know what better advice I can give.
Welcome back, @ircmaxell
 
yo
 
Ever used the following programming question in an interview?
> Write a function to count the number of ones in a word (4 bytes). It should be done in O(logn)
 
ones meaning bits?
 
Yes. That's exactly how the question was asked.
It's the:
The Hamming weight of a string is the number of symbols that are different from the zero-symbol of the alphabet used. It is thus equivalent to the Hamming distance from the all-zero string of the same length. For the most typical case, a string of bits, this is the number of 1's in the string. In this binary case, it is also called the population count, popcount or sideways sum Draft of [http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/fasc1b.ps.gz Fascicle 1b] available for download. . It is the digit sum of the binary representation of a given number. Examples {|class="wikitable" |string |H...
 
1:03 AM
hrm, nothing obvious
hrm, I have an idea
 
1:21 AM
I think that should do it. It's recursive, but since it uses a binary search algorithm to count the bits, it should be an average of O(log n) if memory serves correct (but I never took a formal algorithms class)
 
Divide and conquer algorithm, it looks like?
 
basically, it does a binary search until it finds either all 0's in the part, or all 1's, at which point it short circuits...
basically, 01010101010101010101 is the worst case for the algorithm. It likes clustered values (either 0's or 1's)
 
Grr, the apache server I just setup is having me download php files instead of serving them. Module php5 is enabled. I hate these erratic types of errors :/
 
it's best-case O(1), worst case O(n), and average case O(log n) if my math is correct, which it very well may not be
best case is 1 operation, worst case is 2n-1 operations...
2^(n+1)-1 to be exact...
 
The purpose of the question is to get people to use bit-hacks, methinks.
 
1:37 AM
post it to code golf
ok, going to reboot to get some memory back. later
 
2:04 AM
hi, all. i have problem with multidimensional-arrays in php. please, help.
 
user557846
ok, i suggest, spinning around clockwise while singing.
 
how can we help if we don't know what the problem is?
 
@John Why don't you tell us what problem you're having?
 
0
Q: How to get the values of the all objects of a large array and set them to the variables?

JohnI'm newbie in PHP. I have to code the system like RSS Reader in this language. So I parsed XML files (which are RSS Feeds) and got a large array which has many sub-arrays. Since it is hard to explain what I need, I decided to add the example code. As you see, there is an items in my large array...

sorry i forgot post the link :)
please, look here
have u got any idea about my problem ?
 
user557846
to much to read, i only answer simple short questions.
 
2:14 AM
i think, it is very easy for u. just im beginner. please look.
 
user557846
does this return the titles :
 
user557846
foreach ($array['items'] as $k){
echo 'title = '.$k['title'];
}
 
2:30 AM
yes, it returns
 
user557846
well i started for you then, fill in the rest.
 
ok, thanks.
 
Hey guys
PHP 5.3.9 release
I'm using IIS. How can I upgrade my php version?
 
user557846
2:54 AM
uninstall old, install new
 
3:58 AM
.
 
4:42 AM
ANyone ever worked with livestreet CMS?
 
5:19 AM
@TuralTeyyuboglu Just to make sure, you shouldn't use that for production.
 
6:11 AM
0
A: PHP Div not allowed Validation Error

makbeen working with php for about 15-18 years. the dual semicolons at the end won't work... the one outside the double quotes is right. typically, and I cannot see what you are doing with the rest of your php coding, a line of php code would end like this ...' "; looks like you are trying to use...

wow, I mean WOW!
Do you think 15 - 18 years is a typo?
Can't be 18 years. Even assuming he started work with PHP 1.0
He just clarified, it's not a typo O.o But from the type of answers he's giving, it's hard to believe him :/
 
6:57 AM
@JohnP Well, "Appeared in: 1995; 17 years ago", so he's in the ballpark -- maybe he made Lerdorf grilled cheese sandwiches while 1.0 compiled in his basement.
(Even still 1993 is somewhat more accurate for "1.0")
 
@Bracketworks Yeah, I actually looked up the first release date and since it's 2012 now, he's in the 16 - 17 year range. But it just doesn't figure with the replies he gives
Although, I admit my first comment came off a bit jerky. I thought he was trolling
 
Jerky or not, he's plain silly :P
 
yeah, his answer doesn't really make much sense
 
I know this may seem trivial, but I see it as a point of notice: he refers to JavaScript as Java
Typo, perhaps; but in my experience, savvy, multi-platform, multi-lingual developers don't make that mistake.
 
Yeah, I saw that too.I just put it down to a typo since it seems to be night for him (he mentions night in the comment). But even then, that's a big distinction.
 
7:03 AM
Very much so
Not to be so bold nor broad, however; when discussing preliminaries, say at school for a group project; when that mistake is made, surely down the line anything produced by that person is less than useless. Merely an observation.
The other one is:
Them: "So we'll use jQuery to _____."
Me: "Oh, ok; well vanilla JavaScript would probably be fine and faster for part of _____."
Them: "I'm sorry, I only know jQuery."
Me: *leaves*
 
lol ^^
 
Speaking of leaving; class in T-4 and yet to sleep; off I must
Night @JohnP
 
okie dokes, gnight!
 
 
2 hours later…
8:50 AM
posted on January 11, 2012 by Stuart Herbert

ContractLib is a simple-to-use PHP component for easily enforcing programming contracts throughout your PHP components. These programming contracts can go a long way to helping you, and the users of your components, develop more robust code. ContractLib is loosely inspired by Microsoft Research’s work on the Code Contracts Library for .NET. What Are Programming Contracts? Programming contrac

 
9:13 AM
-5
Q: is_callable in PHP

Henry I debug in the Auth.php, I fund the function "is_callable( custom_login )",it's return false, can somebody tell my why? my php version is 5.0.

I think I'll just troll anyone who puts code in a screenshot by saying the image doesn't load for me next time
 
moin
 
morning
@BoltClock Bonus points for charset=utf80
It's 10 times better than utf 8 !
 
10:11 AM
Is it possible to tell my windows PHP that PHP_EOL should be \n per default?
 
@hakre no. its platform dependent
 
posted on January 11, 2012 by Lukas Smith

Ed's recent blog post labeled the The MicroPHP Manifesto got a lot of attention. Personally I feel like Ed's way of expressing himself feels mostly like the rants of an angry person and not really a way of expressing a clear message. That is why I appreciate a much saner formulated follow up by Kris Jordan. In general I totally agree with Ed on the point that we need more decoupled components i

 
@hakre runkit :)
The next bug/issue I found thanks to Stackoverflow:
5
Q: Reaching 100% Code Coverage with PHPUnit

nikc.orgI've been in the process of creating a test suite for a project, and while I realize getting 100% coverage isn't the metric one should strive to, there is a strange bit in the code coverage report to which I would like some clarification. See screenshot: Because the last line of the method b...

 
portable apps 10 is quite comfortable. its has in builtin appstore
and if i had known they offer preinstalled usb3 sticks with my name engraved i had ordered theirs
 
10:25 AM
@Gordon ??
 
happy with the transcend stick so far. it didnt come in an unbreakable blister, so +1 for that but it has a protective cap, which i will probably lose quickly. it says it includes free image recovery software but the stick was empty, which is a -1 for the promise but a +1 for not putting crapware on it. didnt measure speed yet.
oh, and it has blue light
what for do we need yet another one of these: stackoverflow.com/questions/8817588/…
 
Good time everyone !
 
Nice stuff, and some one is jelly. I have to order a few books too.
 
I see you're moving to management :p
 
10:38 AM
@Artefacto that's what I fancy to do indeed in the long term.
 

 Server Fault: Improve or Close

Links to questions that may be improved or closed . Please not...
just saying :)
 
@edorian Hahaha, hemmm, what? I mean you just got to a room to issue close votes.
 
10:54 AM
They just took the next step I guess :P But we're set up pretty nice here
@Gordon Tell me if Organizational Patterns of Agile Software Development is worth it when you're done
 
@edorian will do if you speed my town hall ;P
 
I have a long way to help you guys but I still flag some really bad questions every now and then.
 
@OmeidHerat only 2k to go :)
 
yup :)
 
@edorian yay 4h saved! thanks.
 
11:12 AM
> 2011-09-25: vulnerability report received, reporters set embargo date to December 27th
> 2011-11-01: contacted maintainers of Ruby on Rails, Ruby, Python, PHP
> 2011-12-21: assigned CVE for PHP
> 2011-12-28: advisory release
10-Jan-2012 - PHP 5.3.9 Released!
 
11:28 AM
@hakre Yep it is suggested to update to 5.3.9 since there's are fixes to prevent hash collisions.
 
!! Why does this not work?:
$url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=opensearch&search=carrot&format=xml";
$outx= simplexml_load_file($out);
var_dump($outx);
it returns null...what am I doing wrong?
I tried $outx= simplexml_load_file($out,'false'); still returns null...
 
@David19801 Are you able to use object?
 
yes
I mean, I know how to use objects
 
@David19801 $xml = new SimpleXMLElement( $url, 0, true );
 
still nothing...
could my ip be blocked? could you please check if the code runs on your server maybe?
 
11:35 AM
@David19801 One second.
 
@David19801 'false' Boolean is true.
use false or False or perhaps FALSE
 
like:?
$url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=opensearch&search=carrot&format=xml";
$xml = new SimpleXMLElement( $url, 0, FALSE );
var_dump($xml);
Nope, still nothing returned...
 
Tryed even such ugly way simplexml_load_string( file_get_contents( $url ) ), but still nothing.
 
11:39 AM
it works in browser though right?
what could be happening?
do they need a header info or something?
 
@David19801 Warning: simplexml_load_file(en.wikipedia.org/w/…) [function.simplexml-load-file]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden in /code/oaPZm4 on line 3
you have error reporting enabled, do you?
 
I do not
 
@David19801 then enable it. everything else is blind coding
 
I don't know how...
but wait...does this mean the http request is blocked by wikipedia?
 
2
Q: PHP: How do I enable error reporting?

LinkskuI recently moved my site from a shared server to my own server. Now, when I have a PHP error, I get a 500 Internal Server Error. At my old host, I'd get something like "Fatal error: Expecting ;". How do I enable that?

 
11:43 AM
so I was right?!
is enabling error reporting a security risk?
 
@David19801 no offense, but i wouldnt worry whether you was right or not. when you dont know how to enable error reporting you got bigger problems ;)
@David19801 yes, on a production server. because you do not want to give out information to malicious users. but its mandatory to code with error reporting enabled on your development machine because without it you dont know what you are doing
 
oh...
I don't have a development machine only my live...
so can you tell me how to fix it please?
 
the reason why wikipedia blocks your request is because you did not specify a user agent
<?php
libxml_set_streams_context(
    stream_context_create(
        array(
            'http' => array(
                'user_agent' => 'php'
            )
        )
    )
);
$url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=opensearch&search=carrot&format=xml";
$outx= simplexml_load_file($url);
var_dump($outx->asXml());
works
 
how did you know it was because of the user agent?
 
@David19801 experience
 
11:47 AM
I see...
now I have wasted on of my questions on the main site :( Hope I don't get banned again for deleting.
 
@David19801 not at all
 
if you delete it, you will be fine, you only lose reputation for bad questions/answers.
as long as you understand captcha and don't offend people you wouldn't be band from stack-exchange websites ;)
 
haha :)
 
Yep. I forgot about context completely too.
 
ah! still doesn't work...and I've deleted the question too haha
libxml_set_streams_context(stream_context_create(array('http' => array('user_agent' => 'php'))));

$url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=opensearch&search=carrot&format=xml";
echo $url;
$outx= simplexml_load_file($out,TRUE);
var_dump($outx);
 
11:51 AM
@David19801 $url not $out
 
I just corrected that but still nothing
I now have: libxml_set_streams_context(stream_context_create(array('http' => array('user_agent' => 'php'))));
$url="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=opensearch&search=carrot&format=xml";
$outx= simplexml_load_file(file_get_contents($url));
var_dump($outx);
 
CONFIRMED WORKING!
Thanks Gordon, now to learn more about libxml :) thanks
 
on a sidenote, if you use simplexml, a good practice is naming the result of the simplexml_load_file call after the root node, e.g. SearchSuggestion in your case
because thats what the variable will contain
 
I see...
these things gained from experience are something that only comes with time
Like I realized last week how important names of variables are
 
11:54 AM
@David19801 yes
 
now I don't need comments because my variable names are all useful!
Thanks again and bye!
 
@David19801 your welcome. bye.
 
12:18 PM
quick poll: does anyone here know someone who has bought something advertised in a spam mail or knows someone who did so? And if not, wtf is that a billion dollar business when no one buys anything from the spammers?
 
@Gordon I know a few people hit by scam emails, no spam though.
 
@CharlesSprayberry same thing. did they respond to their lost uncle from nigeria waiting with a fortune for them?
i know no one who isnt annoyed by spam, yet we keep getting spam. someone must fall for those otherwise it wouldnt be so damn lucrative, right?
 
@Gordon I believe it was the "Hey, I'm one of your friends put in a foreign jail send me some money"
@Gordon You would think, yea
 
to quote john j. rambo on this issue: God must love crazy people because he makes so many of them.
 
The internet (spam) is for http://www.yale.edu/its/email/spam/whyspam.html#why porn porn!
 
12:29 PM
@edorian ok, so 5.6% of internet users are perverts, 0.02% need medicals to be perverts and 0.0075% need to keep a constant eye on their watch to know when their wifes come home so they stop being perverts
 
what about casino addicts?
 
They get poker adds while looking at porn? :P
I guess casino spam really picked up recently when they outlawed online poker in the us
 
@edorian casino spam is another reason why i dont use Ruby. I always get message from Ruby Support to come to their gambling site.
 
12:48 PM
@Gordon While php is what powers porn? :)
 
@edorian yeah, that what php means, right? pr0n hypertext producer?
 
Shall I overhear you on that one?
 
if you like :)
hmm, what should be the throughput of a usb3 stick?
 
between 50 and 80mb/s ?
 
reading or writing?
 
12:54 PM
writing maybe 1/3 lower .. something
 
ok, here is the benchmark of the transcend stick (made with crystal disk from the stick)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
                           Crystal Dew World : crystalmark.info
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :    52.684 MB/s
          Sequential Write :    17.855 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :    49.655 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :     1.480 MB/s
does that look okay?
 
And you are sure that that is not your hard disk?
 
if that was my hdd i would be annoyed because i have an ssd
and if it was my ssd, it would be a pretty small one with a odd drive number: Test : 1000 MB [G: 7.6% (1.1/14.7 GB)] (x5) ;)
 
SCIENCE!
 
Point taken
 
12:59 PM
dammit, how do I get tags?
 
@JohnP flamy
 
[tag:name]
 
yes! thanks :)
 
Inflammatory gif
 
heh, I wonder what's burning in there. Is it a gas or something?
 
1:01 PM
@Gordon I don't see why random writes are sooo slow.. I mean.. it's flash memory and everything. But it seems be normal
 
@edorian will add my ssd for comparison in a minute
 
But 14 minutes to fill up the stick is .. quite a lot
 
Maybe the port isn't a USB 2.0 port
 
@JohnP its usb3
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
                           Crystal Dew World : crystalmark.info
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :   242.389 MB/s
          Sequential Write :   148.545 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :   176.334 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :    71.558 MB/s
and my ssd stats
 
Having an SSD must make a pretty decent difference in bootup speed
 
1:04 PM
that looks about right :)
@JohnP I'm never going back. VM boot and save times improved by over 400% which was quite important for me
 
@JohnP i cant compare since i only had win7 on ssd but it feels pretty fast. like 5 seconds or something
 
Apart from the fact that i can now run netbeans in two vms without it being slow .. which never happened before ssd (not even on the main machine)
Then again I'm not using netbeans any more... :)
 
Yeah, I've read really good things about them. Still too expensive here. The market for it needs to develop
 
Hi guys, I need some help with my xml...
I have:object(SimpleXMLElement)#1 (2) {
  ["query"]=>
  object(SimpleXMLElement)#2 (2) {
    ["searchinfo"]=>
    object(SimpleXMLElement)#4 (1) {
      ["@attributes"]=>
      array(1) {
        ["totalhits"]=>
        string(5) "13421"
      }
    }
    ["search"]=>
    object(SimpleXMLElement)#5 (1) {
      ["p"]=>
      array(10) {
        [0]=>
        object(SimpleXMLElement)#6 (1) {
          ["@attributes"]=>
          array(6) {
            ["ns"]=>
            string(1) "0"
            ["title"]=>
and I am using: $url=$xmlvariable->query->search->p->0->@attributes->title;
but its not working...any ideas?
 
Hello again Gordon...
 
@Gordon I tried to find your answers on that but there are +200 results always stating the same thing over and over again...
 
Can you just tell me the answer then I can figure out why myself guys?
 
3
A: PHP - Simple XML attributes problem

GordonYour are trying to iterate a string, not an array $item->Image->attributes()->source To iterate all the attributes of the Image element, use foreach ($item->Image->attributes() as $attributeName => $attributeValue) { If you just want to output the value of the source attri...

 
I know its the syntax I am using is wrong...
Its not a string, it's in xml format (object?)
it works with print_r...
 
1:12 PM
@David19801 note that simplexmlelement is not an array but an object.
 
so that is correct, I am just "traversing" wrong...
 
@David19801 yes. you cannot access a simplexmlelement by doing ->@attrbutes
 
I just want to get the first title out...
 
@David19801 Did you look at some of the questions?
 
and how would I correct this? what is the correct way? also is the p->0 correct for the first elemeent?
 
1:14 PM
the print_r will not help you because it doesnt translate to how you would use a regular object or array
 
yes, some. But I just want first not a foreach loop...
and its an object not a string...so the answer would not help?
 
@David19801 the answer does help because it shows you how to access attributes which is what you want
 
and it links to executable code and even more examples.. and the other 699 questions asking exactly that on SO also have some more examples
 
@edorian user:208809 ;)
 
okay so now I have: ->query->search->p[0]->attributes['title'];
I think the p[0] part is a problem...is it right?
 
1:18 PM
@David19801 think again ;)
 
so its right?
 
no its not
 
oh...
 
have you looked at php.net/manual/en/simplexml.examples-basic.php before trying to use simplexml? you should
 
It is complicated to understand
I want to learn by doing...
but its difficult to get help when I keep being banned from asking questions
so I have to ask here
 
1:19 PM
That's because you're going about the wrong way
 
p->[0]?
 
Take your sample code, put it in a single page, play around with it till you understand what you're trying to do
 
but you are not trying to learn by doing but you are asking us to tell you the solution
 
Question banned at 1k rep? :/
 
yes. the solutino to the syntaax problem
it is a syntax issue
 
1:20 PM
If you don't really understand what you're doing, but you solve the problem it won't help you. It's like voodoo programming
 
@David19801 yeah, and the solution is given in the answer i linked you to and also on the examples page i linked you to
 
but I can work backwords
@Gordon I read that and added the attibuted['title'] part from that
 
wow.. the throughput of my sata raid5 is abyssmal
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.1 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
                           Crystal Dew World : crystalmark.info
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :    55.442 MB/s
          Sequential Write :    12.654 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :    27.892 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :     8.215 MB/s
 
I would suggest you break down the problem to each object. Each step of the way, try dumping the object to see what type it is. Read the docs to figure out what the type does and move on
 
@Gordon remember, @David19801 asked today about loading wikipedia XML? Now I would like to ask you to about it, how do they check, that context on other side?
 
1:22 PM
Eugene - use error checking?
 
@David19801 Nope. I'm asking about other thing.
 
@Eugene what do you mean? how do they check whether there is a user agent?
 
@BoltClock 250 questions are bound to produce some rep, especially very trivial ones :)
 
@edorian True
 
@Gordon Ou, so they just check in server array is this allowed user agent and this is it?
 
1:25 PM
okay so I did what you said:  I'm on the last part:SimpleXMLElement Object
(
    [@attributes] => Array
        (
            [ns] => 0
            [title] => Tomato
 
@Eugene there is many ways to do that. looking in the server array assumes they are checking it with php
annoyed because my usb stick is faster than my raid
 
@Gordon Planning to get SSD :)
 
@speedbird1 Hi
 
@David19801 call ->attributes() on it to get the attributes
 
1:27 PM
@Eugene i have an ssd. the raid is the external storage
 
@Gordon So much data? :)
 
@Eugene about 13 years of data
 
also Gordon works on pr0n hypertext producer :P pr0n takes a lot of space!
 
@Gordon I see, well I don't use GC :D
 
@BoltClock is @Eugenes avatar acceptable for SO? It shows naked body parts.
 
1:30 PM
@Gordon ಠ_ಠ
I see a whale
 
I think SimpleXML has XPATH type query
 
@Gordon I guess we are all adults here :)
 
Two mermaids kissing, weird
 
@BoltClock a naked whale
@vinayrajan yes, it does. via the xpath() method. have a look at the manual.
 
Argh
So many Notepad++ regex questions today
 
1:32 PM
oO isn't notepad++ just PCRE?
Apparently not
 
It's not
It's a half-assed mess of a regex slimeball
 
But the questions are pretty much "I don't get regular expressions I just happend to use notepad++"
 
2
A: Notepad++:Searching an regex-expression n times

BoltClockSorry, Notepad++ regex doesn't support number quantifiers. You'll have to make do with aa (repeating the input n times).

 
As in "I don't get programming I just happen to use PHP"
Oh..
 
@edorian Yes, and then there are the questions asked by people who know regex but don't know how bad Notepad++ is with it
I'm surprised I haven't gotten my bronze badge yet: stackoverflow.com/tags/notepad%2b%2b/topusers
 
1:35 PM
Maybe I never noticed because I don't trust editors to work with regular expressions at all
(Except vim i guess)
 
I have to learn a whole new regex syntax just for Visual Studio's find-and-replace
Captures are {} and not (), for one
 
As I recall (not having used KDE in years), Kate has astonishingly powerful regex support for a simple text editor.
 
I've worked some with Visual Studio back when we tried out lots of php ides. It's quite nice but I never go so far :). It's just different for the sake of being different?
 
@edorian I bet. It's Microsoft, remember?
Find-and-replace quirks and subpar performance aside, I love VS
 
Hate it.
To complex without the necessity.
 
1:42 PM
:2337815 *removed*
 
Was just stupid. Nvm
 
I think, that it is better to use native IDE. For example PhpStorm. I don't argue, that this isn't perfect, but if I would compare main PHP IDEs, then between Aptana, ZendStudio, Eclipse, PhpDesigner and PhpStorm, I would chose the last one.
 
"native IDE" ?
 
I didn't say I use VS for PHP development
My PHP IDE is Aptana
 
PhpStorm is as much a native PHP IDE as Visual Studio. All in all phpstorm is just IntelliJ minus J + PHP . It's just a very solid basis product
 
1:45 PM
@edorian Well the one that is made specifically for that language more, that for any other.
 
They just named it differently
 
Aptana 3 has really buggy syntax highlighting, though, but I'll probably work on that with the Appcelerator team later on
 
Its just intelliJ with the PHP module
 
@edorian But if you take Eclipse and it's PDT, well I don't think it requires explanation.
 
PDT is just a collection of eclipse plugins iirc? :) Just as visual studio had a very solid PHP module 2 years ago. It's still ok but well.. they don't really care it seems :)
(Not saying one should look into VS for php of course... but it's the same with every ide)
 
1:47 PM
Yeah, you can either download the PDT plugin or just download it pre packaged
It's pretty good, but the workingsets sometimes just refuse to work. Don't know whether it's Eclipse' or PDT's fault.
 
@BoltClock I'll be working with aptana a lot next month.. from that I've seen the phpunit support is quite... bad. Right?
 
@edorian No idea.
 
Talking of IDEs. Netbeans FTW.
 

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