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2:00 PM
woah, never seen any one take so long to say 'scaling shit up'
 
@CatPlusPlus so, the usual? :p
 
Builder can be any expression, but it is put in an unamed variable first thing, so it gets evaluated only once.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Flexible and sensible.
 
Xeo
Hm... so, basically boo lets you play around with implementing a compiler / compiler features without having to do the parsing / lexing stuff?
 
@Xeo If you want to do the parsing, you can :P
 
Xeo
2:02 PM
lol
 
What do you call the time when a deadline looms and everyone is working like mad?
 
Xeo
crunch time
 
Thanks.
 
@Xeo Manipulating the AST has a lot more support than the rest, but basically every step in the compiler pipeline is replaceable.
 
@CatPlusPlus I too was wondering how you were doing and if you were still in crunch time.
Any respite on the horizon?
 
2:05 PM
so chrome tabs die a lot, and open new tabs with "http://--original-process-start-time%3D13013186620107078/" in the address bar...wtf
 
@Xeo This is the default pipeline boo.codehaus.org/Compiler+Steps. You can replace any step, or remove it, or add new ones.
 
The compiler itself comes with various alternative pipelines built-in (think of stuff like -fsyntax-only for example)
 
hey that bug was reported 10 hours ago
heheh
 
@Rapptz interesting. happens with nearly EVERYTHING though, and I'm not even using skype
maybe I shouldn't auto update chromium every day :D
 
2:07 PM
You could try adding your 2 cents.
 
I'm irritated
I have to debug something, but I have no idea what to really look at.
 
again? :)
 
@LucDanton No
 
I thought by now I'd have some idea in my mind how things work, and I have some notion, but not enough to put things together
it's so fucking annoying
what am I missing?
 
Take care of yourself some time :v
 
2:11 PM
lolwat
@jalf eh yea
:(
 
@TonyTheLion Trace trace trace
 
@melak47 lol wat
@EtiennedeMartel oh, official Android IDE, huh?
I want to make an android app in Terra <3
 
Apparently, the bug is that the code was never written to do this feature
and it was I who forgot to write the code :/
 
@TonyTheLion well, that should help you figure out what to do, at least :)
 
2:19 PM
@TonyTheLion w/e
 
@jalf yea :)
 
Xeo
alright, time to head off to some lasertag
See ya likely tomorrow o/
 
Viel Spaß.
 
Hi Bartosz,

Apologies for the direct approach.

I am working with a number of companies across Europe UK and the US who are looking for senior/Principal engineers with a solid background in graphics (OpenGL, Webkit, GLSL, etc.).

I have a wide variety of opportunities that could be interesting for you. When would be a good time to call to discuss in more detail and what is the best number to reach you on?
Apparently I am a senior/Principal engineer. Nice.
 
@CatPlusPlus Your reaction to that says everything. You really should consider the receiving end of your rants every so often, and what effect what you say will have on that person/those people, which is something you apparently haven't done very much. Yes, I know this is the Internet, still, a lot of people in this room have been around for quite a while. Just saying.
 
2:24 PM
@BartekBanachewicz sounds like a "do all the work" job title :D
 
@melak47 he's a headhunter, so that's not really surprising
 
I am so proud I finally got around to responding to that google recruiter who's emailed me like 4 times
 
what did you write to him?
 
even if the answer was just "nah, not interested at the moment, I'll let you know if my situation changes"
 
"Fuck off."
 
2:26 PM
Feels a bit better than just not responding
 
yeah
I responded with "not interested" immediately and got a follow up with "please recommend your friends that might be interested"
 
@BartekBanachewicz heh
 
@BartekBanachewicz Recommend your worst enemies. :D
 
I would like to move to Switzerland, though
 
ugh, I think I might need to go home. No energy to do anything constructive
someone may have abducted my brain
 
2:29 PM
ITT jalf is turning into a penguin IRL
 
@melak47 this means nothing!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ugh, they speak weird there.
@BartekBanachewicz Now all he needs is a banjo.
 
@thecoshman actually it does. it means we started on a code base of 7500 lines of crappy java guy shit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but chocolate! and cheese!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They speak three different brands of weird, no less.
 
2:32 PM
and write in Unicode, huh?
 
@melak47 but who is what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Belgians do better chocolate and the French do better cheese.
 
thus, \x412\x832-Mart is a place where you can buy M\x123ilch
 
@thecoshman pardon?
who is what..what? which what? what do you mean
 
@melak47 it's just lines :S
 
2:33 PM
@JerryCoffin But I can't live in Belgium and France at the same time, huh? Also I prefer Italian wine over French
 
@TonyTheLion Eh?
 
@JerryCoffin (four) Can only vouch for the French and German. Never heard a Swiss speaking Italian, but I could probably not tell the difference anyway.
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe Italy does better Italian wine than Switzerland. (Disclaimer: geography expert, not wine expert)
 
If I'm ranting, I'm ranting about crappy tools, what effect on who would exactly that have
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Switzerland is too cold to make good wine
 
So your point is that you can get crappy wine?
 
2:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Italians are amazing at Italian wine, just a shame Italian wine is not that good.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You might not live in both at once, but the train from Brussels to Paris is only about an hour.
 
@thecoshman so? :p
 
@JerryCoffin And EU barrierless trade.
 
@JerryCoffin oh yeah, I forgot trains actually work in that part of Europe
 
@CatPlusPlus well, it's fine to hear it once or twice or even 10 times, but for weeks on end, and just about everything that comes out of your mouth is how crappy things are, then it gets to be rather annoying, and doesn't make for a very happy atmosphere. (forgive my bluntness, I don't know how to put this to you subtly)
 
2:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Polish trains suck?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they sure do, sugarcube.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Swiss French isn't weird, is it?
 
@LucDanton Not as bad as Swiss German, no.
 
Or perhaps the assumption is that French is weird, in which case disregard :v
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ya, case in point.
 
2:37 PM
@TonyTheLion just tell him he is being shit :P
 
@thecoshman Is that readable?
 
@thecoshman haha
 
IOW do I need an Augenartz?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I read it...
 
@TonyTheLion Well, that's facts so
 
2:38 PM
@thecoshman I can't read that without opening in another window
 
ಠ_ಠ people, browsers have tabs you know
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yup -- though (giving them credit where due) Swiss trains as at least as dependable as their legendary watches.
 
@TonyTheLion I have trouble reading it in another window.
@JerryCoffin German trains are timed perfectly so that you will always miss the next one when you're switching trains.
3
 
@CatPlusPlus You could just try share a level of more happy facts too. Telling us constantly how shitty things (tools) are, and failing to give a solution, aren't very happy facts, and after a while gives me the feeling as to why the fuck I should bother using any tools, seeing they've just all be demoted to the "shit" status. Anyways, I've said my part, do with it what you want. :)
 
2:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can just read it, but have to focus, and I'm wearing my glasses
 
@TonyTheLion Cheating!
 
There is no happy
Everything's terrible
 
Find something happy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, the scheduling could be better, but they do keep to the schedule the set.
 
2:41 PM
surely, you can find something, if you made an effort
 
icecream is happy!
 
this ^
 
problem solved. tell me when he stops being a nihilistic twat not worth paying attention to.
 
@EtiennedeMartel boo packs an attribute that does all that ([AutoNotifyPropertyChanged] class Foo: ... done) :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but who uses Boo, hmm?
(I'm channeling the Puppy right now)
 
2:42 PM
// magic goes here... <--- I wrote this in my code
 
@EtiennedeMartel Lots of people, especially women.
 
@TonyTheLion I once wrote that in an exam.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Really now.
 
It's been a while since I burted out that particular piece of nonsense.
 
@TonyTheLion is that enough space for magic?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't worry, one day you'll find your special somepony, and she'll like Boo.
(There's a subtle reference in there)
 
2:44 PM
@thecoshman donno
 
@EtiennedeMartel You need to work on your subtlety.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes See the link right below it.
 
Hey dotnetters, anyone used StructureMap
 
Tried it once.
Don't remember.
 
2:46 PM
I have a disposable object that doesn't dispose correctly
 
@TonyTheLion hint: there is always room for magic :)
 
@CatPlusPlus The only thing I use for DI is MEF.
 
Though I guess I could make a wrapper
 
@EtiennedeMartel Meh, boo is kinda crappy (organic design, undocumented features, buggy stuff, mediocre tooling). But it has super nice features. Reminds me of C++.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ಠ_ಠ
 
2:47 PM
@thecoshman That frowny face? It's the first thing you see when you boot up my crash reporter.
@R.MartinhoFernandes At least C++ is getting better.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I see...
 
@EtiennedeMartel ಠ_ಠ
 
user1182183
time to redistribute my app... but one thing needs to be done, or just a simple readme.txt
 
@EtiennedeMartel The original goes like "And who can say they never had a scrotum mycosis? Many people, especially women."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Incidentally, I did not watch Blade Runner yesterday. Played LoL instead with meatspace friends. That means you get to cheat death for one more day.
 
2:50 PM
hahah
Robots don't die, they get unplugged
 
> Proud of yourself, little man?
 
user142019
Boo.
 
Blade Runner... by the time I finally got around to watching it, it had been built up so much it was a big disappointment for me.
 
it was a good film, but it couldn't live up to the expectations.
same story with 2001
was expecting this awesome film... and then... wtf is this?
 
2:54 PM
Meh, 2001 kinda sucks.
(I'm a big fan of the book, though)
 
I don't think I've seen Blade Runner
:/
 
I don't remember
I think I saw it/
 
Nope, haven't seen it.
 
@thecoshman You're a big disappointment.
 
I am dissapoint
 
2:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz One way or another, you suck!
 
@EtiennedeMartel :O
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I watched is as a kid
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2001 takes forever to happen
 
Surely there's a relevant XKCD?
 
2:59 PM
Shirley.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Blade Runner is only loosely based on the story. For good.
 
@TonyTheLion Only this one
 
hahaha
 
@EtiennedeMartel wait, I thought it's the androids dreaming about sheeps... I am confus.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2001 (the movie, I mean) is Sci-Fi for people who aren't smart or informed enough to understand real science fiction.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's the joke.
 
@EtiennedeMartel okay.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do sheep dream about electric androids?
 
@JerryCoffin I don't have this experience, but I always wonder if people that saw the movie without having read the book actually understand anything about what is going on.
 
I don't count sheep, because they all look the same and I lose count.
 
3:02 PM
I also knew this only in Polish ("Androidy śnią o elektrycznych owcach"), so that might be why I didn't get it at once.
 
(IME, they tend to agree they don't)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I saw the movie first...and I'd have to say no
 
I have used many demo libraries for image processing like halcon matrox tesseract etc. I want to build my own library for the sake of understanding wat goes on under the hood. I need a good ebook to start building my own library from very primitive stage like the very basics of pixel manipulation. do u feel me??? i need all that is inside the ready made libraries. i dont want to just add references to ready made libraries.that is for script kiddies. I wanna do some serious coding.
please help
 
Ahoy
 
@JerryCoffin oh, are you a firm believer in hard sci-fi
@user1797079 read the rules ಠ_ಠ
 
3:03 PM
@Collin It's more "Do electric sheep dream about androids?" (the sheep depicted are actually an electric sheep Pokémon)
 
If only there was one fuck to give :)
 
@TonyTheLion photoshopped (FYI people, this is subtle reference to an XKCD)
 
shoped?
lol
 
Missed the pokemon reference
 
oh pokemon
I thought that was long out of date
 
3:05 PM
¬_¬ stupid words with their stupid rules!
 
@thecoshman Not necessarily hard science fiction (e.g., a fair amount of Heinlein is somewhat soft-ish), but it seemed to me that 2001 was way too far into "mood" with darned little else there.
 
@TonyTheLion isn't there a new one?
 
I don't know, I'm not really a Pokemon fan
 
@JerryCoffin oh for sure, it's all fluffy bullshit imo :P
@TonyTheLion Pokémon, come on now
 
@thecoshman Erm, 2001 is meant as hard sci-fi.
@TonyTheLion Me neither, but random trivia, man!
 
3:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's a piece of trivia I choose not to know
 
> Hard science fiction is a category of science fiction characterized by an emphasis on scientific or technical detail, or on scientific accuracy, or on both.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't say it was. Just asking if Jerry was restricted to hard sci-fi, on account of 2001 being rather fluffy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh I thought it was sci-fi that gives you a hard-on :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also known as "not Star Wars".
 
@thecoshman How can you possibly accuse that of being 'shopped. Of course kangaroos spend most of their time lying around on the beach.
 
3:07 PM
@TonyTheLion well, rule 34 :P
 
s/rules/rule
SCNR
 
> reference to an XKCD
 
@EtiennedeMartel Star Wars is fantasy in space :P
 
a fantasy space - sounds mathematical
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed. That's not even a joke.
 
3:08 PM
Star Wars, you mean the old ones or the real ones ?
 
> Kangaroos are seriously the master species of not giving any fucks. There's large numbers on golf courses in Australia, and they've grown so accustomed to it, they won't even move if you hit the ball within a foot of them.
 
haha, nice try.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Star Wars is plain old westerns -- in space.
 
It worked perfectly well when "the Force" was simply magic with a different name. It's when they tried to give a pseudo-scientific explanation to the bullshit (midichlorians, anyone?) that it all broke down.
 
3:08 PM
Damn, too obvious once again :/
 
@JerryCoffin There's this Good vs. Evil theme all over it, which is why I put it under Fantasy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ಠ_ಠ
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also magic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good vs evil dose not make it a fantasy
 
@JerryCoffin Westerns do not usually depict sword fights.
 
3:10 PM
@EtiennedeMartel eastern then :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Westerns were all good vs. evil (origin of the phrases "white hat" and "black hat").
@EtiennedeMartel Zorro sure did.
 
@JerryCoffin Hmm, ok. Maybe I'm not too versed in westerns. I thought it was all good vs. bad vs. ugly. ;)
 
@JerryCoffin Are you sure you can therefore extend the elements of a single franchise to a whole genre?
 
No it's generally, who can shoot faster
 
@thecoshman It's definitely the most common theme in the genre.
 
3:11 PM
@JerryCoffin I was about to say that it was set in Spain you fool... then I used the squishy grey stuff
@R.MartinhoFernandes on most genres I would say, it's a dead horse of a plot
it's been flogged so much, there is just a hole in the ground where the horse moosh once used to be
 
@thecoshman No. When I write Good vs. Evil with capital G and capital E, I mean it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o_0
 
I am not talking about good guys vs. bad guys.
 
I am talking about Good vs. Evil.
 
3:12 PM
for your entertainment
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ooh, I see what you mean
to which I will say, that dead horse has been flogged so much if we do it any more we risk breaching the crust of the earth
 
Let v be a vector:
v.begin() + v.size() =?= v.end()
is that so?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Again, somewhat relevant to the discussion at hand.
 
3:14 PM
@Nils I would say: "yes"
 
(Hey, we are discussing fiction tropes, so that site was never more relevant)
 
I also would.
But not 100% sure, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was talking about the video I just linked, but you inserted yourself in between.
 
@Nils out of curiosity, what do you need that information for?
 
@Nils What else could it be ? And why does it matter, if I may ask ?
 
3:16 PM
@Nils Yes.
@ereOn It matters for sanity, I'd say.
 
@EtiennedeMartel nice :)
 
I mean v.begin() + v.size() is a silly thing to write, but v.begin() + v.size() == v.end() is a very important axiom.
 
Well sure
By the way, speaking about iterators : am I the only that thinks Java-style iterators are horrible ?
 
No.
They are only horrible for implementers, though.
@thecoshman Kinda why I have been reading less and less fantasy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would have said "for the user". Care to explain your opinion ?
 
3:20 PM
I was under the impression that C++ iterators are not Java-style iterators
 
@thecoshman Though absolute moralities are a lot less common in low fantasy than in high fantasy.
 
user142019
I have hunger.
 
@Rapptz Hence the name :)
 
@ereOn Would "they are a pain in the ass to implement" be a good explanation?
I implemented a bunch and the hasNext()/next() model requires annoying gymnastics to get things done.
 
right so, time to head home... and hopefully sort out linking... leaving me free to spend the weekend working out how I want to manage dependencies during compilation...
 
3:23 PM
@ereOn Why do you think they are horrible for users?
 
I predict maps... and time stamps :P
 
user142019
Später.
 
> works, but fails
I couldn't imagine I will ever write that
 
> I want those funky horns, gimme those funky horns, gimme gimme, yieeeeeehe~J. Brown
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm pretty sure at least a few more did as well. And Star Wars isn't purely about sword fighting either -- it has plenty of "blasters" that are distinguishable from a "six shooter" only in giving a visible trace of the shot fired (including the fact that both are good for a lot more than six rounds without reloading).
@Rapptz Yes, quite a bit different. Java's follow the GoF description/definition of iterators much more closely (to their detriment, IMO, but that's a different question).
 
3:33 PM
random fact of the day
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The big difference (and this pervades Java, IMO) is that it draws a much "harder" line between "users" and "implementors". With C++ it's a fairly small step from using iterators to writing your own. In Java, it's more like walking up a cliff in one step.
 
@TonyTheLion deceptive, it implies that jellyfish have some sort of digestive track
 
tract
hmm I have hunger, too
 
me hungery too
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Alimentary canal, if you want to sound impressive.
 
> Some small bilaterians have no anus and dispose of solid wastes by other means, for example through the mouth.
 
@TonyTheLion I thought we'd gotten past the fiction tropes, but we still have a hungry lion...
 
yea how do fiction tropes and hungry lions have any relation?
I need zebra
I suppose this was @jalf's thinking at some stage?? :)
 
3:59 PM
Are egyptian braces better?
 

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