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09:00
oh fucking crap
microsim :/
This blue theme is a travesty. =/
@BartekBanachewicz Well done! Posting your address on the Internet!
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meh, y u remove before I read =\
@BartekBanachewicz Start doing what?
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, to be honest, I forgot about that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes the thing in comic
09:02
I don't get it.
it's making fun of paper books
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's for the new generation
I hope that doesn't mean the new generation will turn into a bunch of jerks.
.... Whoa.
09:09
@LightnessRacesinOrbit - But, through casting, I can have both const and non-const references to it, and I can even modify it... It always matters through which variable you are accessing that same object. — Jirka Hanika 3 mins ago
oh deaer
Assimpd.lib, the debug static library for Asssimp,
is 314 MB. o.0
YEEEAH
Dynamic Linking, sounds like a plan.
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lol
Where does one keep dependencies on Windows? Just %Programfiles% ?
My Documents
Or just %USER%
09:11
Or w/e it's called
I just cut my sim card and it workd
@ЯрославРахматуллин "C:/DEV/" :)
I don't know how assimp manages 211 MB debug x86 and 314 MB debug x64 for it's static libraries...
Maybe release will be smaller?
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debug symbols be big, yo
@Lightness btw, const_cast is fine (for some value of "fine"); only modification through that result is UB.
09:12
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know
@Xeo 78 MB for Release
> I can even modify it
The guy doesn't believe that objects may have constness; he thinks that only variable names [I suppose] do, and that he's free to add and remove it to anything he pleases, on a whim.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh sorry, I misread your comment (missed the = 4 part). Carry on.
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
^ took me a while
09:14
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Needs a dereference operator though.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oops
The assimp DLL is only 18 MB...
... But again, these things are MB upon MB. I know it imports a lot of shit nicely, but.. .. damn. o.0
@kbok I don't get it..
@BartekBanachewicz Erm, no.
@R.MartinhoFernandes then I don't get it too
09:15
"Hansel and Gretel" ( or , and ; , diminutives of Johannes and Margarete) is a well-known fairy tale of German origin, recorded by the Brothers Grimm and published in 1812. Hansel and Gretel are a young brother and sister threatened by a cannibalistic witch living deep in the forest in a house constructed of cake and confectionery. The two children save their lives by outwitting her. The tale has been adapted to various media, most notably the opera Hänsel und Gretel (1893) by Engelbert Humperdinck and a stop-motion animated feature film made in the 1950s based on the opera. Under the Aar...
oh crap
gingerbread house
I thought it's a snow white reference
> ( or , and ; , diminutives of Johannes and Margarete)
That's shorter indeed
my nexus up and running, and google has my credit card
user1357851
09:16
brothers grimm ...
user1357851
aha!
great movie
@R.MartinhoFernandes RAM isn't the problem. It's that my debug exec - with static linking - will increase 300 MB in size (78 MB when I ship release). That's a holy hell of a lot to include inside my executable when I've barely scraped 25 MB with all of my stuff combined.
so hot evil
@kbok For some reason chat always clips the IPA bits when oneboxing...
09:18
Oneboxing wikipedia is nearly always borken anyways
well, it's pretty awesum that Nexus phones have clean android
without vendor shit
@BartekBanachewicz SquareNode() { for (auto & n : nodes){ n = nullptr;} } gives me som crap about missing an initializer. Any clue?
@ЯрославРахматуллин it's because it's C++11 feature not supported in v100. for (auto n = nodes.begin(); n != nodes.end; ++n) { *n = nullptr; } }
forgot () on end.
also be careful of rvalues
I got past that point. seems freeglut isn't enough. It wants GL/glew.h now :)
09:28
=[
boost +assimp = 4.31 GB
This is going to take so long to transfer q_q
Well, Lord Malak is dead.
@ЯрославРахматуллин feed it then. GLEW is available
@DeadMG hm?
bitches about ambiguously overloaded functions now...
auto n : nodes extends the lifetime of nodes if it is an rvalue expression (in this case it's obviously not).
09:33
Meow.
Sleep well.
if you had auto n : f(), then when I do auto begin = f().begin(); begin != f().end(); ++begin this obviously isn't really the same
oh
righty right
nodes is a regular pointer container tho
but yes you are right
some exchange in London has a problem, and a bunch of ISPs route through it, including the one of the venue here
> you're not helpful the 10 others is just to take the old ones and merge
so the Internet has been really unreliable and slow lately
09:37
treedraw.cpp(22): error C2668: 'pow' : ambiguous call to overloaded function -- apparently it has several to pick from in \microsoft visual studio 10.0\vc\include\math.h(583): long double pow(long double,int), float pow(float,int), double pow(double,int) --- none of them return int, which is what void DrawSquare (int x, int y, int size, bool solid) wants
@DomagojPandža ?
user1357851
Some people 1 year older, no year wiser :p
Wisdom is not measured in years.
user1357851
unless you are under 12
@ЯрославРахматуллин If you want a int pow you have to make it yourself -- but it's not very useful IMO
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09:38
never heard of a wise 3 yo
@ЯрославРахматуллин damn, still C++03 math. Well, cast it or something
@R.MartinhoFernandes "I have been wise for x years." Seems reasonable
user1357851
x can be negative?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is wisdom a vector or scalar quantity?
@BartekBanachewicz "Still" Your obsession with the fantasy that everybody can now magically switch to pure C++11 is amusing.
09:39
@LightnessRacesinOrbit dude, it's opensource project
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imaginary wisedom - it is there just on another dimension :x
@BartekBanachewicz dude, so?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How was defiance BTW?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so it compiles under free MSVS 2012 Express
09:40
I'll have a look then
I haven't really tested that, because I worked on it for like 2 days
so expect shitstorm, huh.
Also all my projects should be compiled as C++11 by default
I have an interview for a C++11 job next week
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cool
@BartekBanachewicz free OMG MUST USE IT NOW THEN
Can you believe that, in France, lol
09:42
@kbok they probably just misspelt C++
is there a suffix to denote a double such as 0L (for long)?
C with classes 11
@kbok sounds cool
"come le work for us!! it's job with C++11!!1"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, the girl clearly said "The last version of C++, C++11"
09:43
ergh, why does my Google drive always descend into a vomit of files
@ЯрославРахматуллин Erm, no? Why would you need one?
@kbok if only it were the last
@thecoshman I find it hard to organise too. Not sure why. Something about the UI I think
@LightnessRacesinOrbit omg latest
@R.MartinhoFernandes to fool the compiler, obviously.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't get you really.
09:44
@ЯрославРахматуллин The lack of a suffix combined with the presence of a decimal point, denotes a double.
@ЯрославРахматуллин e.g. 0.0
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm suspicious, too, so the interview will tell hopefully
@BartekBanachewicz I am aware.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah, yes.
@ЯрославРахматуллин Please use the reply feature.
09:45
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is the requirement of using C++11 compiler for my opensource project too much?
decimals are double by default
(it's amazing how much I rely on that now)
you only suffix if you want float
@BartekBanachewicz No
@LightnessRacesinOrbit s/wise/any other property/
09:45
@BartekBanachewicz However you consistently act as if it would be reasonably mandated that nobody in the world ever use C++03 as of right now
@LightnessRacesinOrbit my book marks are only just a bit better
@R.MartinhoFernandes see, that's wise!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Hm, like this?
@BartekBanachewicz It is too much! You've gone too far this time! ;)
09:46
@ЯрославРахматуллин There you go :)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ... perhaps it is a problem with people in telecoms?
How do I do that without the mouse?
@thecoshman Perhaps :(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My "still" comment was merely due to the fact that VS2010, having many C++11 features, lacks pow
@thecoshman I'm really good at it in other things, though.
09:46
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Q: SE Chat Modifications -- Keyboard navigation and commands for chat

Tim Stone Screenshot Use /command shortcuts to perform common chat tasks: See message history inline: Easily preview replied-to messages: And much, much more... About Legends tell of a prolific Meta Stack Overflow chatter who despised using their mouse above all things. In an effort to keep t...

@BartekBanachewicz ............. oh.
@ЯрославРахматуллин You can write ":8943533 " (replace with the real message ID) at the start of your message
LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'freeglut.lib' -- Did I install the wrong version or something?
people allergic to mice
09:48
OpenGL on windows?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ugh.
nothing wrong with OpenGL on windows
@ЯрославРахматуллин you haven't supplied the freeglut path
@kbok and?
It has always been a pain for me to set up.
@kbok kbok I was wondering bout the error message. This is still MSVC 2010
09:49
right
gonna stick my nose into LEWG and see if they are doing anything more interesting
wish me all the lucks
No.
I cannot spare that much luck.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit for the most part I am yeah. Though I do have a nasty habit keeping things tidy with a Neo remainder. A small portion of every tidy thing is an utter mess
everything has a place... but sometimes that place is the junk draw... we do not go in there
hmph
@R.MartinhoFernandes you don't have to spare him a worthwhile ammount
your lack of e-goodwill is no doubt why I found LEWG full to the brim
09:54
@DeadMG we don't lack goodwill, we just keep it to ourselves
@thecoshman "all the lucks", he said.
apparently, Herb dropped out and won't be presenting his talk
fucker
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, but he did not define what proper upper limit, and as such I take that too mean 'all the luck you wish to spare', his lack of certainty is his undoing
@DeadMG he probably is
@thecoshman I prefer the reverse Humpty Dumpty approach: "'When [he uses] a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'"
10:00
@R.MartinhoFernandes I prefer the 'I'll interpret it in the most annoyingly obtuse way I can, despite knowing exactly what you meant' approach
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@DeadMG Had a chance to talk to him about isocpp yet?
@DeadMG Get your puppy-tail to EWG or CWG :P
@Xeo I think he's already gone
@BartekBanachewicz Is the program supposed to do something?
@Xeo EWG?
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Evolution Working Group
10:05
oh right
Disgusting Working Group.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Atleast they got poly lambdas and return type deduction (with decltype(auto)) in :<
actually
I have astonishingly little knowledge as to what the other groups have or have not done
except that constexpr member functions no longer implies const.
the status of most of the other papers eludes me
the other WGs don't keep notes as well as L and LE
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well, time for you to investigate, obviously!
we get live reporting from cpp meeting
10:10
and have been getting live reporting from me for the last four days
@DeadMG yea, I haven't been paying much attention to the lounge lately.
@TonyTheLion I've noticed
but the other Loungers seem to appreciate having someone actually there to ask questions of and such
10:11
So none of your proposals made it?
yeah
some of the Unicode proposal could have made it if there had been enough time
but there wasn't
but I am bringing all four (five, since Unicode is now two) back to Chicago and hopefully some more besides
@DeadMG indeed. I don't really have any questions.
if I'm lucky and Google hire me then I might actually go to Chicago
@DomagojPandža Tom?
It's a local variable. If you don't know what that is yet, you should not be messing with concurrent code. — R. Martinho Fernandes 4 secs ago
Sigh.
10:19
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, you have to break the tests to make sure the reporting works
@kbok girl? Come on, you're being trolled. I'd make sure a friend knows where you are, in case you never return
@sehe from HR.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't worry, it's only passing :)
@kbok Irrelevant
You are probably being confused about the meaning of the term rvalue. this being an rvalue simply means that you cannot take the address of this. That is, you cannot write &this. Being an rvalue has nothing to do with the right-hand side of an assignment (that's what you're probably thinking; 99% of C++ texts get this completely wrong). — FredOverflow 3 mins ago
Fuck C++ and its confusing terminology. rvalue, seriously? What were they thinking.
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10:21
@FredOverflow Blame C
@FredOverflow I can write '&this', no problem :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's... good customer support?!?!
@FredOverflow The only other choice would have been to completely rename the category. C also has this problem.
@sehe Yes, but it won't compile :)
I think this merits reopening stackoverflow.com/q/16098898/85371 (I know, I was the one to attach the first 'dupe vote', but I jumped the gun - it's related, so much is clear.
I need to go home
repair my computer
10:25
Anyone care for reopen votes ^ (/cc @BartekBanachewicz ?)
I might just go play Plants vs Zombies for the next six hours
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Really?
10:44
Choosing C++ today is merely a case of premature optimization, and thus, the root of all evil
what a pity, I was becoming a real fan
(of Miguel, not C++)
I still think he's cool.
hahahaha
C++ is beautiful.
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As beautiful as a cheetah to a deer (C++ to a newb)
Yes, deers really take the time to admire their food chain overlords.
10:56
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah of course. But can’t you just shut up about something if you’re not using it and have no clue about it?
(He actually qualified his statement later and I’d agree with that … but why troll?)
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@DomagojPandža Precisely my point, newbs seldom appreciate C++
@migueldeicaza You try to use Qt with C# and then we can talk.
hahahahaha
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@BrandonLive @migueldeicaza That's what I mean. If you care about ref-counting/GC, use something better than C++. Speed? Use C.
...
@migueldeicaza : "I sell a competing product, and thus C++ is the root of all evil".
haha, nice
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Idiots all around
11:03
If you do not get the question, you should not be messing with answer — Pulsating Ambience 8 mins ago
user1357851
C is the root of all evil because unix/linux is written in C
Ooops, I ticked off someone's self-preservation instinct.
user1357851
Why are you picking on a newb? I was expecting a more experienced user to be offended
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3 mins ago, by Xeo
Idiots all around
@Telkitty Do you seriously think he's offended
Robots don't get offended.
11:17
o rly
user1357851
I wasn't saying robot was offended, I was questioning why he post a message by a newb, since newbs tend to get offended very fast very often .. kind of nothing new
@DeadMG: Understand my question better than me? I think you have a big problems with subjective perception — Pulsating Ambience 6 mins ago
lol
That sounds like a very angry person
damn, I can't wait to leave Bristol
"Woooahhh so many replies" checks "Oh arguing under my answer" :(
11:29
@Xeo what a noob
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@DeadMG Didn't expect you to conclude Bristol with that opinion
well
there's a lot of dead time right now
@DeadMG: Below answers are comments. Surprise. Try to read them. — Pulsating Ambience 1 min ago
simple fact is, after I presented my papers, and reviewed the other papers, there's not much more reason for me to be here
lol
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11:33
:<
@DeadMG Oh, has the free food/beer run out?
no
I can't eat or drink that shit anyway
@DeadMG Oh, that bad, OK, fair enough :(
I'm glad I decided not to go!
ah
the previous four days were pretty good
very exciting and interesting, I would say
but the end is a bunch of other people voting on things
Well, glad you got something good out of it, to compensate for the food poisoning.
11:37
@DeadMG so out of curiosity, did you spend most time sitting down or walking around/standing up?
@DeadMG Heh - I read that as ' the end is a bunch of other people vomiting on things'.
sitting in LEWG
just to see if I ever attended one of these, how feasible it would be
ah ok
the venue here is very swanky and lots of wheelchair access and stuff
didn't know you were disabled
11:38
ah cool
swanky, word for Friday
I'm not, but Tony prefers not to walk
due to his feet
@sehe I had to look that up
but frankly, Tony, I don't think it would be your kind of event
do you not have feet Tony
11:39
I knew you had /bad/ legs, but I didn't realize you'd be using aids
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wheelchair access is not just for disabled attendees - very useful for ratted visitors too. Stairs are just asking for trouble.
I have feet, but they hurt when used
ratted visitors?
Sounds like it's not exactly Puppy Purpose either
@sehe I have crutches...
11:39
@DeadMG think emergencies
@DeadMG Not you personally, of course :)
oh ok
@sehe Every delegate who is not a voting member will be having an identical experience.
@PulsatingAmbience: The way you are treating site regulars who are (a) experienced, (b) well-respected, (c) spending their own time helping you for free, (d) correct, is utterly abhorrent. You should be ashamed of yourself. Consequently, I strongly suggest shutting up now. Return in a few years when you have reached some level of maturity appropriate for conversing in a professional environment. — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago
doubt it'll last long
What means you "get false result"? — Daniel Hilgarth 36 secs ago
More like, false formatting
@DeadMG identical :>
@Griwes: Your telepathic abilities amaze me. You can continue, it's funny — Pulsating Ambience 3 mins ago
ahahhahaaa
11:43
i try readin ur quetion but i get false result.why? — Lightness Races in Orbit 7 secs ago
@sehe Well, not exactly, but about 75% of the people here are not voting.
Aha. I flagged one of the messages as rude/offensive and poof - it went.
I wasn't the first :)
@DeadMG: Understand my question better than me? I think you have a big problems with subjective perception — Pulsating Ambience 31 mins ago
^ wow
@sehe aww
it was a good one :(
@jalf: Their assistance lowers my self-esteem. I think time is over. I have the answer. Thank you all, and you, too, brave internet warriors — Pulsating Ambience 4 mins ago
^ So tempted to say: it lowers your self esteem only if you let it.
But something tells me he'll just dismiss it as being 'smart' instead of hearing the truth in that
He's yet to learn that internet isn't a place for crying girls :(
11:49
What's more amazing is that the guy hasn't yet been thoroughly punished for his attitude. FTR, I think that is correct.
I flagged the whole exchange as too chatty.
@Griwes As per my comment, I have the definite feeling that's not his problem. He doesn't come across as a cry baby. He comes across as stuck up, stubborn know-it-all. I bet he's used to ruling the forums, where he's king of the blind.
@sehe "Their assistance lowers my self-esteem." doesn't smell like being stubborn, like Denning-Kruger. It smells like crying "I feel I am fucking lame compared to you, gonna close myself in my room and cry".
user1357851
Sad, you guys are obssessed with a newb :p
Well, noobs take up a lot of our time and energy
11:56
@Griwes he's not crying (aka appealing for pity or for someone else to make the meanies go away", he's attacking the (perceived) meanies head-on. Not crying, just immature and stubborn
@Griwes I took the whole conversation into account. He's entitled, thinks he knows everything and people can't be teaching him stuff. His last comment superficially seemed to contradict that. But you know, that's just the words. It's the attitude that counts for me (he's probably to lame to word it correctly. After all, he doesn't break down: he states "I'm not having it because X". Not a victim)
Hmmm, I haven't been able to figure out yet what exactly @EtiennedeMartel changed to the newbie hints
is there like a log of the changes to view?
@jalf Ah. You had the same reading
@sehe casted reopen. 1 more.
@TonyTheLion It's a wiki, right. It's supposed to
@BartekBanachewicz tx
11:58
@Ярослав draw something, I guess.
@sehe hmmm, I may need an account to see
At the bottom, there's a link labeled "History"
@sehe in exchange, tell me one liner for storing a path in the txt file, and then cd-ing to the path. cd 'cat path.txt'?
yea I found it

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