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08:00
@vlad 1st year guys can barely even get it to compile correctly. you're trying to make sure it's perfect
@Doug thanks, I appreciate it. Yea I go overboard to make sure I really understand it.
I think the problem is, the range of abilities is huge. Amongst professionals, it's been said to be on the order of 20x - I wonder if the variations could be even larger amongst 1st yrs...
Ok, who is being such a complete moron
Please jump under a bus
user142019
What idiot is flagging everything.
user142019
Kill yourself, please.
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08:02
Also hi.
@Zoidberg I was wondering the same thing.
Well thanks everyone for your help, I'll see ya around.
Ah well, presumably a mod, like @BoltClock will see and ban the asshole. No big deal I suppose
user142019
Okay why is my message flagged thrice. T_T
08:02
Whoever does that, you realize you are annoying a lot of people and that there will be consequences, right ?
What the hell is going on?
@Zoidberg It's starred thrice (and flagged once)
user142019
Oh I see. xD
I don't feel so good, dammit.
Hey flagger, STAHP! Damnit!
user142019
08:03
lol
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Flags y u anonymous.
@TonyTheLion "Anybody can be cynical, dare to be an optimist!" - Hank fuckin' Moody.
Thanks, whoever got rid of them
08:05
What's up with the damn stars.
now a star fest
control yourselves, humans
@Someguy is that you doing that?
Insolent fuck.
Anonymous, 42 rep, only questions. This guy wants to watch the Lounge burn.
John Smith, is that you?
@BartekBanachewicz i thought the original typo was hilarious :)
@DomagojPandža They're We're all John Smith
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Ugh, morning...
08:10
@Zoidberg You have no idea?
@Xeo Good morning
gawd mawning
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4h of sleep. x_x
5hrs here
6h here
+ a gratis nigthmare
I win.
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lol, "gratis".
Wait, that's an actual English word?!
TIL
08:13
Seriously? :D
The English term gratis has its origins in late Middle English; from Latin. A contraction of gratiis, meaning 'as a kindness', which in turn stems from the root gratia meaning 'grace' or 'kindness'.[1] It is widely used in the Afrikaans, Catalan, Czech, Hungarian, Polish, French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian, Indonesian, Scandinavian and German languages, with the same meaning.
English adopts everything
@Telkitty I can relate to that. It's nice to rely on that
Whoa. this goes to show that shining your crystal ball once in a while does make a difference ! — sehe 1 min ago
@Xeo that is fucked up
@DomagojPandža We, as Germanic linguists, do have a stronger feel of "germanism" than "anglicism". I used to think the same for 'gratis' once
@TonyTheLion You know, it's really not. It's just a word, in many ways
English is the Perl of spoken languages: a pile of stuff mostly stolen from other languages
@sehe I don't understand what you mean.
@doug65536 or it would be if the same wasn't true for most languages
Whoa. this goes to show that shining your crystal ball once in a while does make a difference ! Well. blimey. It turns out -q was from the post. I must have been very tired. — sehe 5 mins ago
Ah, the Aventador. Beautiful vehicle.
08:18
time to get out of bed
Dutch is a mix of English, German and some other language
@LucDanton paraphrased: it doesn't surprise me that people with a background in germanic languages would expect 'gratis' to not fit in english
@TonyTheLion The third would be dutch, prolly
@TonyTheLion With the accent strongly reversed
08:19
lol
@BartekBanachewicz Nederduitsch/Nederdiets ("Nether-german" if you will, crudely)
@sehe If you wanted to make fun of Flemish, what would you say?
@LucDanton Nothing. They can do that for themselves
Not the Flemish, necessarily :p
08:20
@LucDanton Oh that. Why would I make fun of Flemish?
because you're Dutch :P
The only kind of mocking that goes on is basically your generic blonde jokes rebranded as "Belgen moppen"
@TonyTheLion I don't follow.
Ik heb nog nooit grappen gemaakt over Vlaams
isn't that what Dutch do? Just like us Flemish mock the Dutch.
Friendly ribbing among neighbours. Also, the 'if' could be understood as rhetorical.
@sehe Weet ik :)
08:22
Or maybe, when I try to mimick the accent, that can be funny. Still not intended as a joke, though
no offense
@TonyTheLion You do!?
@sehe Yea, it happens.
I thought the Flemish picked on the Waloniërs
we do that too
08:23
God. So many options. You must have great egos
lol
I didn't mean to offend, and I'm sorry if I did.
OFFENSIVE
:D
@sehe I'd be surprised if there was a culture or nationality who didn't mock all their neighbours
I'd like to use this post to offend C programming language
"When a bailee undertakes to perform some act or work gratis, he is answerable for his gross negligence, if any loss should be sustained in consequence of it; but a distinction exists between non-feasance and misfeasance; between a total omission to do an act which one gratuitously promises to do, and a culpable negligence in the execution of it; in the latter case he is responsible, while in the former he would not, in general, be bound to perform his contract.
^ legalese is annoying to read
08:28
I just found out why that C++ compiler question got that weird answer, it was posted on reddit
@BartekBanachewicz man, you blew that one.... Ended up using that post to say what you'd like to do instead...
@Rapptz oh yeah, someone actually emailed me to say that my answer was on reddit or something
I wonder how many upboats I got
Why is there Stackoverflow all over r/programming today?
5 of them on the first page?
Also, I wonder if I'll ever really understand reddit
Easy Karma™
@jalf You're not the only one, I've never understood its purpose, let alone popularity.
But then again, I think Twitter is useless, too. But people like it for some reason, so...
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08:33
People read tweets, I am amazed. No, they really do.
@DomagojPandža That fact that you don't understand either hints that you're not really into the social stuff.
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room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Nihilistics Anonymous [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
I only visit reddit as far as social media goes.
@Mysticial Maybe, but I do understand the notion behind Facebook, people like to be connected. Twitter, on the other hand, with its small messages seems like a Facebook status feed with a character limit.
And reddit reminds me of those old boards with very weird layouts. What exactly is reddit about?
08:41
133
Q: Why does this code print "hello world"?

abcXYZI came across this piece of code, and found it rather interesting. The following print statement would print "Hello, World". Could anyone explain this? System.out.println(randomString(-229985452) + " " + randomString(-147909649)); And randomString() looks like this public static String random...

social media helps people maintain the delusion that other people care what they think
@DomagojPandža link aggregation
@Rapptz Holy shit, it's up to 130 now?
@Telkitty ummm? why shouldn't they?
Hahah, people still don't understand how pseudorandom current RNGs are.
08:44
Mornin'
evening
@DomagojPandža Think of twitter like a party or convention or something. Lots of people standing in the same big room, having smaller conversations, where anyone can jump in on any conversation they overhear and find interesting
I actually tested MSVC's rand(). I allocated a 4GB array of chars and looped around rand() 2^32 times. it actually does return every possible number once. Of course it does, but it was interesting to try it
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@BartekBanachewicz don't know ... I am following too many people, I got tons of tweets to read everyday, that's why I do not read them at all ... or not often. If someone is following me and want me to follow back, all they have to do is ask.
@jalf Ah, the hashtag mechanism. Interesting, but as Mysticial said, I'm probably not that social. :D
08:47
@Telkitty following more than a few dozen of people makes it unusable. Why don't you remove the ones you don't read or don't interest you anymore?
Twitter should have rating buttons to simplify that
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PR thing for my apps
uh, make another account then?
...sometimes, pseudorandom is useful (like during testing...)
@kfmfe04 and in games (replays)!
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it is like I don't use fb for personal purpose. But I have to keep a facebook account for my apps
08:48
s/4GB/2GB/ s/32/31/
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I do, however read forums and chats
of course, if the test can pass a real RNG, it's even more robust...
@BartekBanachewicz lol - recently, I've been finding that SC2's RNG seems to be anything but random...
@kfmfe04 what is random in SC2 besides the visual effects?
@BartekBanachewicz a random pick of race ends up in Z Z Z Z Z Z P P P P P P P P T T T T T T T T
ahhh
Well, I read random race as "I don't care", so... I didn't care :)
08:50
lol, true - if you interpret it that way, they can implement it as { return Z; }
uhhh
hashArray = new Movie[hashSize];
while(!iS.eof()) {
    hashArray[myHash(Movie(s).getTitle())] = Movie(s);
@kfmfe04 exactly. I play mostly Z anyway
if that's C++, then shoot me
@TonyTheLion Looks like a ECMAScript derivative.
Such a pretty day outside.
why not use mersenne twister PRNG. period is 2^19937-1. the sun probably won't last long enough to start returning the same number sequence, right?
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@BartekBanachewicz I don't know, twitter is very open, chats and forums are more 'community' oriented. Personally I only spend time on what I am 'attached' to? Twitter and Facebook just won't do
08:53
I'd say that algorithms only need to continue working until the sun explodes anyway
2^19937-1 == forty three millia-nongen-novem-nonagin-tillion,
one hundred fifty four millia-nongen-octo-nonagin-tillion,
two hundred forty seven millia-nongen-septen-nonagin-tillion,
nine hundred seventy three millia-nongen-sex-nonagin-tillion,
eight hundred eighty one millia-nongen-quin-nonagin-tillion,
six hundred twenty six millia-nongen-quattuor-nonagin-tillion,
four hundred eighty millia-nongen-tre-nonagin-tillion,
five hundred fifty two millia-nongen-do-nonagin-tillion,... it goes on and on
@rileyberton (since someone upvoted your comment) let me spell it out: no it doesn't speed compilation up. In fact, it makes sure that any compile takes the maximum amount of time by not isolating translation units. The great thing about them is, that you don't need to recompile all .cpp-s if they didn't change. (That's disregarding stylistic arguments). Proper dependency management and perhaps precompiled headers are much much better. — sehe 1 min ago
@Telkitty I get loads of nice stuff from Twitter. And I use Fb to contact mostly IRL friends
@sehe Looks like another @ThePhD
ThePhD isn't that bad.
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08:57
@BartekBanachewicz I use email/messages to contact RL friends
user1357851
too busy nowadays. better waste less time on social media
@Telkitty I use twitter as a 'news' feed preferrable over RSS because it nicely "TL;DR" -s everything ahead of time. This is my 'first tier' of information gathering channels I guess
@BartekBanachewicz Wut? You mean, that poster?
@Rapptz Certainly not that bad.
@Rapptz I know. He has some weird habits though. Like this .cpp merge thing. Or reinventing the wheels. Or dunno, really, loads of stuff
@sehe the answerer? look here --------------------------------- ^
Someone keeps upvoting the answer.
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I use new website for news feed, I also commentate on my favourte news provider
08:59
@BartekBanachewicz In case you're saying that to talk down on ThePhD, in his defense I'd say he's learning in the best tradition: he's getting his hands dirty, actually getting stuff done (i.e. re-invented) and not ashamed to show his work. Especially the latter is key to getting sound advice early on.
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It's a nice day to start again.
It's a nice day for a white wedding.
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my view can be seen throughout the nation for those who bother to read the comments section of online news sites
I wish I had known to use knowledge from experienced programmers back in the day. But then, I did. There was just no internet, so it was 4x a year, max.
@DomagojPandža Wut. You have a wedding today?
Come on, sehe. :D
09:01
@sehe I know, he isn't bad. I am just pointing out that the reinventions might keep him from making something really nice and complete
Anyone playing TF2 here will love that : store.valvesoftware.com/product.php?i=S0225
@ereOn lol
Doesn't explode, don't want. :$
@Mysticial: Birthday coming soon : I need to make this link available to my gf
$14 that can get you at least 8 keys.
09:02
@DomagojPandža lol:
> I'm driving my monster truck with cops in my ass listening to this nice song ! DoctorFranklinson 2 weeks ago
> (Sphere measure 4 1/2" in diameter, spikes are 1" long, product contains no glass or razor blades)
You can buy keys for as cheap as like $1.50 from other people. But it's risky.
@Mysticial: Are keys really worth it ?
Hahah, "cops in his ass". :D
@ereOn Depends on what you use them for.
09:03
Keys to the kingdom?
Worth it
I have hundreds of boxes, never opened a single one.
Just drunk :)
Obviously if you're just gonna uncrate with them, expect to spend hundreds of them before you get anything good.
@sehe I wish I discovered SO Lounge earlier :3
But if you're gonna sell them to buy hats, it's a pretty good deal.
09:04
@Mysticial: What else can you use them for ?
That's it. Uncrate, or trade away.
It's literally money.
worth about 3.66 refined metal right now
So you can get 2-3 hats out of a single key.
Never thought of it that way.
So instead of buying hats directly for like $5+.
@BartekBanachewicz I wish it existed in 1986. And I had a computer. I taught myself programming literally with pen and paper. I might still have the school notebooks ("cahier"?) somewhere
Buy a key for 2.50, and trade it away for metal. Use the metal to buy hats.
You can get it even cheaper if you guy the backpack extenders and trade them for keys.
09:05
@Mysticial Why is everybody talking in code?
More effort, but more for your money.
@sehe I still have a notebook with hex dumps of Polish characters I had to add by hand to my codepage on my 486
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Yay, work time~
@BartekBanachewicz Cool. Yeah.
yea, I think I should go to work too
09:06
@sehe: We are talking about a new C++ header : #include <hats> std::trade(hats, std::for<key>(3))
Dec 27 '12 at 13:59, by sehe
@sbi Oh maybe it was Z80. Oh, and I reckon I still have a completely handwritten copy of the complete EPSON Printer Command Language, as well as ANSI escapes. In pencil.
@sehe Team Fortress II. Move on.
@sehe Learn TF2 economics. :)
@ereOn Oh. Thanks, I get it now
@sehe bad ass.
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09:07
this question is marked quantlib, because it is quantlib related, I am not sure if you explained deprecation to assure yourself or for other reasons but this question is rather for users of quantlib, not for those who "think" how it works — cf16 22 mins ago
wat
player.addItem F 299792458
so apparently in the Southpark Movie
@ereOn I assume you're familiar with the metal numbers right? 1.00 means: 1 refined metal = 18 weapons?
So, it appears I wasted 3 hours of my sunday free-time because I mistyped a htonl instead of a htons. I almost want to kill myself now... :/
@Mysticial Yep, that I know of.
@BartekBanachewicz Actually, I found those notebooks some years ago. I don't think I've thrown them. But the rest might have been gone. But I did still find the source code to fdformat.exe in hardcopy. It was in my sheetmusic drawers
09:08
On the trading posts, most hats sell for 1.11 - 1.66.
Which is actually pretty cheap - compared to a key.
I actually often have my backpack full and spend a lot of time combining everything so I don't waste time in match.
Here's my backpack. Most of the hats/misc. I have are entry-level. I'm not high-roller.
Most of it is from selling keys.
I LOVE THAT BEAR.
09:11
Love your spy stuff.
@ereOn I don't even play spy. I got those from the Halloween drop.
@Mysticial: The only thing I could get from that was the exploding sacred book
(and the joy of killing two people that were trying to get it too)
@ereOn lol
09:13
@Mysticial: They deserved it : they went the easy way and were scouts.
Quick Haskell question: there are no equivalents of copyable or moveable, right? (I'm trying to understand the extent of immutability) Even <- is a bind and technically, not a copy, right?
@ereOn haha, I remember trying to do it with Heavy and Soldier the first few times.
Always got my ass kicked.
Then I gave up and went Scout with bonk.
@Telkitty no
@Mysticial Did it as Pyro.
Well, I was equiped so I had the 10% speed boost
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@Mysticial Apparently they (heart attack grill) have claimed another victim, literally.
That grill scares me...
09:20
6 mins ago, by Telkitty
am I the only one think this is disturbing?
^ certainly not:
yesterday, by sehe
@Telkitty next time will be flagged.
@kfmfe04 Right. <- desugars to a function parameter though, bind is the name for (>>). Also in let a = foo; b = bar in expr the a = foo and b = bar parts are often called the 'bindings'.
Err, bind is (>>=) sorry.
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Well, (>>) is also bind, although it throws the result of the first action away, right?
Yay, I can remote-desktop into my home PC.
@Xeo If you were living at your work, you wouldn't have to.
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lol
I washed all the dishes
09:29
@Xeo That's crazy imperative talk!
@BartekBanachewicz I have some left over if you are willing to come to France.
It's stunning what tasks a human can accomplish when facing the outside
@Xeo I remote into my work PC from home.
@BartekBanachewicz Like... putting on a pair of pants ?
@ereOn If you will go to work for me, sure
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09:30
@Mysticial If I set stuff up correctly, I could do that too.
@ereOn yea. And a hat
user142019
Ohai.
user142019
Boring lecture about R. :<
a >> b == a >>= (\_ -> b) == a >>= const b
@LucDanton Why ?!
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09:32
(>>==)?!
Accept equational reasoning into your heart.
@Xeo I haven't had my tea yet.
>>== shifts a value to the right, then compare it to another value then calls std::terminate().
Haskell, yo.
Almost.
user142019
Haskell is great.
Play Nethack for couple weeks instead. — Jan Hlavacek 8 hours ago
lol
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09:34
in Functional Programming, Feb 24 at 13:58, by Xeo
getLine >>=
    \a -> getLine >>=
        \b -> putStrLn "hi" >>=
            \_ -> putStrLn $ a ++ b
user142019
Haha Unicode fail on teacher's screen.
@ereOn What. You think he's fucking Chopin?!
user142019
REPLACEMENT CHARACTER
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@Xeo do-notation FTW.
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@Zoidberg Go click the link and read the context, sucker.
09:36
@sehe Not sure to get the reference :o
user142019
I know the context. :P I participated in that conversation.
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I thought you've gone senile, my bad. I mean, you forget that you're already working on projects all the time, and start new ones.
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@ereOn en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frédéric_Chopin was a Pole who lived in Paris for quite some time
@sehe That has to be the best definition of Chopin ever
Well, you make me insecure. Wasn't he?
09:38
no, he was, of course
I was just amused by your choice of words
Oh, you mean, I failed to mention he had some mean chops?
PUN_TOO_PAINFUL
I don't like his music, anyway
@sehe Arf... living in Paris... what an awful situation.
Could only be worse if she turned out to be Hilton, too
"Living in Paris must be the dream !" If you like crowds of angry people, pickpockets, huge levels of stress and transport employees strikes, then yeah.
(And the smell of urine in top of that)
09:41
@Xeo That's actually a worst disease a programmer can contract. Jumping from project to project, never finishing nothing. Finish it. Do your best. Then move on.
@DomagojPandža You must be new here.
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@BartekBanachewicz s/\./\.jpg/
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lol
high five ./ \.
09:45
python -c "print map(lambda x: '(%s)' % x, '.')[0] * 2"
Started watching Star Trek Deep Space 9 again.
s/Deep/Derp/
@sehe just made me retweed Zoidberg hides face
@BartekBanachewicz :) Well, the member accesses are getting better encapsulation, in a way :)
@BartekBanachewicz You read weed?
@LucDanton thx for that explanation - it helps a lot to have sanity checks when shifting paradigms
@sehe oh gawd.
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09:51
@kfmfe04 roll - you lose 4 San.
What a twote.
chat should have /roll command
or, even better, Lua interpreter built-in
it's hard to keep one's sanity these days - w/so many languages, and so many mutating languages - eg C++11 looks v.different from pre-C++11
@DomagojPandža Is that the one with the crazy bartender?
09:54
@MartinJames Yup :D
So, they managed to install the Federation computer AI on a Cardassian mainframe. Talk about cross-platforming.
@sehe ahahahahahahah
Feb 28 at 16:00, by Bartek Banachewicz
http://everyfuckingwebsite.com/
@DomagojPandža Java - probably responsible for the war in the first place.
@BartekBanachewicz oh. sorry. See what I still need twitter for ...
09:57
Yea I should tweet more of this stuff.
> (Just kidding. This is a dead link that one of our interns has been trying to figure out how to remove since his boss asked him to last June. It says he knows Dreamweaver on his resume, which he copied word for word from some website. But his uncle owns an NFL team, so odds are he'll be okay. He'll be taking care of this just as soon as he finishes "Post-It Mountain" and figures out whether the receptionist is single and/or interested.)
My interwebs all screwed up this morning. Delayed posts/duplicates/errors. Time for a reboot all.

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