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5:00 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why would I do that?
I saw a problem, I cancelled a bunch of stars until it was solved, job done.
 
user142019
 
@DeadMG The notification says "You have already voted, but the voting has been cleared by a moderator" so, in this instance, according to the SO UI, you are taking the role of a chatroom moderator.
@DeadMG In doing so, you created a new problem.
 
what problem?
 
@DeadMG The problem I just used three messages to spell out to you.
 
that's not a problem, that's just a thing that happened.
 
Hello, peeps.
 
Thank fuck someone sane
 
woohoo! I just wrote a singleton!
3
 
user142019
CSS should be Lisp.
 
^ THAT IS A VALID STAR DO NOT REMOVE IT
 
5:02 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why would I remove it?
 
@DeadMG Plonked
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit - I never seen you in any heavy C# discussion so I doubt you have anyithing to say. So you just purely downvote cos you are pissed off personally. And you call yourself senior developer... — Boppity Bop 28 secs ago
ahahahaha
 
user142019
Windows 8 y u so beautiful.
 
user784668
@Zoidberg lol what
 
user142019
5:03 PM
Metro looks good.
 
user784668
@Cicada upvoted for stupidity
 
user142019
And the animations look good.
 
user142019
And the text looks good enough.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I haven't really followed the story, but know that the puppy here is the kind of person who's always right.
 
@Zoidberg Now take a screen capture of it and save as JPEG. Crapped.
 
user142019
5:04 PM
Everything but photos is crapped when saved as a JPEG.
 
I'm not even sure .NET Monitor actually uses a kernel object for synchronisation...
 
user142019
Use actor model and ØMQ for concurrency.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't you fucking start
 
@Zoidberg Well, true that. Metro looks worse than usual, though, and it's especially saddening to see official Windows posts on Facebook compressed like that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel In order to be right, I'd have to be right about an important thing that happened, instead of cancelling one star too many that was issued in the middle of starspam.
 
5:05 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I meant it like you can't argue with him.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit All hail to the puppy
 
user142019
I don't understand why people hate on Metro.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh. Yes. Then you may continue :D
 
user784668
Woohoo, I can set Comic Sans as the default font in Emacs!
 
@DeadMG So, you did a mistake?
 
user142019
5:05 PM
Or maybe I like it because I'm a trackpad user and the buttons are ginormous. :P
 
@Fanael More exciting is that you can choose not to do that.
@Zoidberg You're a .. trackpad user? Seriously?
Actually why am I surprised
 
@EtiennedeMartel That would imply that, whilst in the middle of cancelling a whole bunch of stars, I should also be precognitive and know that five minutes from now someone will mention that one of them deserved to stay.
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I use nothing else.
 
@DeadMG I already told you this: it had been stated before you cancelled any stars.
 
user142019
I should buy a trackpad for my desktop.
 
5:06 PM
And, yes, I didn't plonk you. Sue me
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That doesn't matter if I already moved my attention over to the starboard to start cancelling.
besides
 
TIL the puppy can't multitask.
 
it's one star, I don't know what the problem is.
 
@DeadMG Next time I'll be sure to incorporate a 2 minute grace period for you to align your conscious mind to what is going on around you
@DeadMG It's totally the principle of it, and that's quite obvious I should think.
 
@DeadMG Well, you could apologize.
Just saying.
 
5:08 PM
^ ANOTHER VALID STAR PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE
 
@KonradRudolph needs WAY more!
 
> // FIXME Wait for less.js to suck less.
ehehehehe
 
There was a brilliant example of C commenting somewhere in opensourcedom.. lemme see whether I can find it
 
@KonradRudolph You're too kind.
 
5:09 PM
@EtiennedeMartel All I'm saying is that if we're in the middle of being star spammed, then wait for it to be over before issuing actual stars, as collateral damage in such scenarios is to be expected.
 
user784668
@KonradRudolph you forgot fuck
 
Oooh fighting over stars. I want to miss this. Later.
 
Who the fuck cares about stars
 
user142019
Stargazers.
 
Tomalak does.
But he's a bit crazy in the head.
 
5:10 PM
Tomalak is silly
/thread
 
anyways, to change the subject
 
y u still talking about stars?
 
another worthless government minister being worthless.
 
user142019
@Abyx we aren't. That was before DeadMG said "anyways, time to change the subject".
 
I already changed the subject
Jesus - read! LOL!
It was a small Linux tool. something that uses sockets. Something that exists in a much-limited form in Busybox
 
Ell
5:11 PM
@deadmg why is he being worthless?
 
who gives a fuck about UK?
 
@Ell Because he's putting forward a really dumb argument.
 
Blazed!
 
@Abyx Most of the European Economic Union.
 
he's saying, "Benefits counts as a wage, so we should make people on benefits do work in exchange for said benefits".
 
Ell
5:12 PM
Why should people receive benefits when they can't get the job they want, even if they could be working as a shelf stacker, for example
 
@DeadMG He doesn't say that at all.
 
except the benefits in question are far below the minimum wage.
@Ell Because it's illegal (the scheme in question).
 
@Abyx Most people who care about what's going on outside of their basement
 
@DeadMG He's merely pointing out that the girl was hardly "working for nothing". In the original court case she claimed that it amounted to "slavery". You need the context and BBC is bad at providing it
 
Ell
let me read the scheme proper first haha
 
5:13 PM
So hey, how about that C++? Good stuff, huh?
 
@Cicada I CAN HAS LAZOR CANNON (raycasts more or less work)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The difference between "Working for nothing" and "Working for less than the legal minimum wage" is basically nothing.
 
"Let them eat cake" is the traditional translation of the French phrase "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche", supposedly spoken by "a great princess" upon learning that the peasants had no bread. Since brioche was enriched with butter and eggs, as opposed to ordinary bread, the quote supposedly would reflect the princess's obliviousness to the condition of the people. While it is commonly attributed to Queen Marie Antoinette, there is no record of this phrase ever having been uttered by her. It appears in Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions, his autobiography (whose first six books were writ...
 
user142019
@JimHurley No, C++ is bad stuff.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Alright.
 
5:14 PM
I've got a lot to learn.
 
oh goddamn show more enthusiasm
 
@JimHurley don't.
 
especially when you say that it's not even "less", it's like, 25% of the legal minimum at most.
I find it difficult to define slavery if not "Being forced to work for massively less than the legal minimum wage".
 
@EtiennedeMartel Are you telling me they translated brioche as cake!?!
 
@Cicada How would you translate it?
 
5:14 PM
Brioche.
Brioche and cake are orthogonal concepts.
They have nothing in common, really.
Except the base ingredients.
 
@Cicada ...
 
Meh
 
@Cicada Sweet pastry.
 
It's not always sweet
It's the texture that matters
Hence brioche and not cake :<
 
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Q: sstream , Char toupper , using uppercase manipulator

SilwestI dont know why my code doeasnt work , what am I doing wrong ? I know that i can do it by toupper function but i need to make it via manipulator so heres my code: #include <string> #include <algorithm> #include <iterator> #include <iostream> #include <sstream> usin...

 
5:17 PM
ok :) Whatever, I had brioche for breakfast. It was good.
 
That doesn't change the fact that you guys have way fucking too many kinds of pastry.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fucktard is from Poland
 
@BartekBanachewicz haha
 
@KonradRudolph The only good part of your day it seems!
@EtiennedeMartel I can't hear you over my awesome French food.
 
Ell
Boulangerie
I need some bread
 
5:18 PM
@Cicada Why do you have food in your ears?
4
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because she's silly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes every hole's a g wait no
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the comment is a good one.
 
Ell
Heh
 
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A: sstream , Char toupper , using uppercase manipulator

Bartek BanachewiczIf you are forbidden to use toupper, you have to write it yourself, like this, for example (I'm not sure it works): char my_toupper (char c) { if (c >= 'a' && c <= 'z') return c + 'A' - 'a'; else return c; }

 
5:19 PM
please don't encourage this shite by answering it, Bart.
 
@Cicada <3
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He needs the rep.
 
Ell
Speaking of French food, I could really do with some onion soup
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :( I thought you would like my method. Also yes, I need the rep badly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I do
 
user784668
5:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz There's no guarantee the 'a'..'z' range is contiguous.
 
I don't know what to do. I've been staring for hours at my freshly installed VS2012 with no idea where to start.
 
@Fanael excuse me?
 
I'd like to make some kind of VFS or something. But idk.
 
Ell
Vfs?
 
Virtual File System.
 
5:22 PM
@Cicada Too bad you don't like cubes.
 
user784668
@BartekBanachewicz The standard doesn't mandate ASCII. If you're really unlucky, you can still find working EBCDIC systems.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I could do that too
 
@Cicada that's pretty easy to do, and funky.
 
Ell
Make a GUI modding tool for minicrsft
 
@Cicada What kind of VFS are you thinking about? I mean, for what purpose?
 
5:22 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No, something robust, with layering & concurrent access
 
@Fanael waaaaaat. Anyway, the answer has a disclaimer :)
@Cicada the "funky" still holds
 
@n2liquid Generic all-in-one-file storage.
 
> If anyone out there calls me homophobic, I will suck their dick!
3
 
lol
 
it would be great if boost.filesystem had callbacks for VFS support
 
5:23 PM
Wut.
 
user784668
@Cicada That's an archive, not a VFS.
 
@Lightness that dude. I don't even have to read his code to know he's polish stackoverflow.com/questions/14923731/…
 
Ell
Doesn't boost.filesystem support tar?
 
You hear interesting stuff listening to Yahtzee and Gabriel's lets plays.
 
@Ell tar sucks.
 
Ell
5:24 PM
Yea Vfs is kernel module I though o.O
 
@Fanael An archive is a subset of a VFS.
@Abyx You suck
 
@Cicada I wanted to write a VFS to store video-game resources and allow some mount points to the save games directory, user configuration directory, and also some files embedded into the executable
 
user784668
@Cicada The linux kernel VFS has nothing to do with archives and is still a full-blown VFS.
 
@Fanael That's not the kind of VFS i'm talking about (think MPQ)
 
I never really started implementing it (some ideas are here: github.com/n2liquid/grifs/wiki)
 
5:26 PM
@n2liquid I wanted to do that too, and when I looked for existing stuff, there wasn't really anything.
 
user784668
@Cicada Or tar or zip or 7z or whatever. Yeah, I know what an archive is.
 
Yeah, closest thing was PhysicsFS, but looked clunky
 
@Fanael These archives are also VFSs :)
 
@Ell gui will be in lua, too. I have to rewrite OpenGLUI for shader code
 
user784668
lol
 
user784668
5:27 PM
I just realized I'm using vim to edit my init.el.
 
They are "virtual" only in the sense that they aren't designed to be placed in a partition per se
I guess
 
tar doesn't use utf-8 on Windows, zip supports only deflate, 7z is too hard to parse.
 
@n2liquid I found this but it hasn't been updated since late 2011
 
archives suck.
 
5:28 PM
Stop complaining and make something better
 
Ell
@abyx 7z is open source isn't it?
Or it uses lmza or something
 
All of my resources can be loaded from memory now, so one can use VFS with my engine
 
@Ell It's public domain
 
@Ell did you see its source code?
 
Who cares
It works
And it works well
 
5:29 PM
@Cicada I would really enjoy working on such a thing; do you think about including threadpools for decompressing and stuff too?
 
Ell
Well you don't need the source if you have the library
 
I spent few weeks trying to rewrite 7z in pure C++ and then dropped that crap.
 
I'm going to buy food.
cee you
 
user784668
Food is overrated.
 
5:30 PM
@n2liquid I wanted to do something really generic for any-purpose storage, that includes layering (like compression & encryption), file versioning, transactions, and concurrent access
 
@Fanael So is sleeping.
 
Quite complex when you think about it
But that'd make a neat "solid" FS
 
@Cicada how about you start simple? :P
 
Yeah, make a singleton first.
 
I had done something simple with an SQLite backend
 
Ell
5:31 PM
Let the files have arbitrary metadata pl0x
 
ah, it's netcat
 
user784668
@Cicada So you want to write a fucking file system.
 
@Fanael GENIUS
 
/* I really want to strangle the twit who dreamed up all these sockaddr and
   hostent abstractions, and then forced them all to be incompatible with
   each other so you *HAVE* to do all this ridiculous casting back and forth.
   If that wasn't bad enough, all the doc insists on referring to local ports
   and addresses as "names", which makes NO sense down at the bare metal.

   What an absolutely horrid paradigm, and to think of all the people who
   have been wasting significant amounts of time fighting with this stupid
hehe
 
user784668
@Ell What for?
 
user784668
5:31 PM
@Cicada I KNOW
 
@Fanael VFS is a file system.
 
@Ell I want some kind of arbitrary n° of "channels" per file yes. That would include metadata
 
/* Obligatory netdb.h-inspired rant: servent.s_port is supposed to be an int.
   Despite this, we still have to treat it as a short when copying it around.
   Not only that, but we have to convert it *back* into net order for
   getservbyport to work.  Manpages generally aren't clear on all this, but
   there are plenty of examples in which it is just quietly done.  More BSD
   lossage... since everything getserv* ever deals with is local to our own
   host, why bother with all this network-order/host-order crap at all?!
I also enjoy the #ifdef GAPING_SECURITY_HOLE
 
/some/path/to/a/file:english
/some/path/to/a/file:french

whatever
 
@Cicada Eh, versioning would be going too far for me ): I guess concurrent access, too, would be too much, it's not really needed in a game
 
5:32 PM
I haven't specified anything yet
 
I like the metadata thing
 
user784668
@Cicada Streams. The name is "streams". Or "forks".
 
@Fanael Whatever the name is
 
why is everybody in this lounge obsessed with re-inventing things?
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not.
 
5:33 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because things suck
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not everyone is /cc @Konrad
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Also, if something does what I'm saying, I'll gladly use it. Linky?
 
Ell
@lightness because we're better than everyone else
 
@Cicada ^ This.
 
/* some systems, notably linux, crap into their select timers on return, so
   we create a expendable copy and give *that* to select.  *Fuck* me ... */
 
Ell
Nah but srsly, if you are happy with what you have you never move forward
 
5:34 PM
@Cicada Give me your specification.
@Ell No need to move forward.
 
Ell
Yes there is
Else.you'll be left behind
 
Not just for the sake of it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit VFS that supports standard operations. Must be stored in a single file. Cross-platform. Let's start with that :)
 
user784668
@Ell std::move(std::forward<T>)?
 
@Ell If you never build upon what you have you only move backward.
 
5:35 PM
/* if we're in "slowly" mode there's probably still stuff in the stdin
   buffer, so don't read unless we really need MORE INPUT!  MORE INPUT! */
@R.MartinhoFernandes that
 
user784668
@Cicada $FS on loopback device
 
Ell
also, What @cicada said
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what are you, a RSS feed?
 
@Cicada Okay I'll start my research and get back to you on which tool already serves this purpose. Simultaneously I'll generate your invoice and mail it to you.
 
@Fanael No loopback device on windows.
 
5:35 PM
@Abyx I can confirm that I am not an RSS feed.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Please do. I have researched this a lot already.
 
what is with every message that has "singleton" being starred?
 
/* If your shitbox doesn't have getopt, step into the nineties already. */
@Doorknob nice try
 
?
 
      case 'h':
	errno = 0;
#ifdef HAVE_HELP
	helpme();			/* exits by itself */
#else
	bail ("no help available, dork -- RTFS");
#endif
haha
I love this guy
 
5:37 PM
@Doorknob The lounge star pattern matches on anything that contains "singleton" or "I suck at programming"
 
and more such comments
 
I suck at programming singletons :P
 
@Cicada s/ at programming//
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: wat is dat?
 
user784668
5:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The code snippets.
 
Tomalak please point us to the source you're entirely copy pasting instead of, well, copy pasting
 
8 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
ah, it's netcat
 
Ell
Is tomalak lightness?
 
I can assure you that I am not "entirely" copy pasting anything
@Ell No.
 
I'll be back in 30, <3 u guys
 
5:40 PM
@Ell I am a sexy female alien from an alternative universe. Tomalak is so beauty.
 
@Ell Yes.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit tits or gtfo.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit thanks.
 
@Abyx you're welcome.
 
5:42 PM
how would you even find a picture of tits? If you google "tits", all you'll get is tits.
8
 
@DeadMG Your Google fu sucks, man
 
Ell
Blue tit bird
 
blue tits is the easiest way, though it's cheating
(and surprisingly effective, considering the wealth of alternative possible results)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Cortana porn?
 
@EtiennedeMartel for example
 
okay don't google "cortant porn", guys
 
@DeadMG: your ArenaAllocator doesn't appear to be copiable.
 
@MooingDuck course it's copyable.
it only has one data member that's a pointer, and it has a copy constructor.
 
@DeadMG it doesn't technically have a copy constructor
the copy constructor was implicitly deleted by the template constructors
 
5:47 PM
        template<typename Other> ArenaAllocator(const ArenaAllocator<Other>& other) {
            m = other.m;
        }
where Other = T.
voila, copy constructor.
 
@n2liquid I looked at your specs. I was thinking about something more complex actually, based on B-trees.
 
@DeadMG Do you have a forwarding ctor too?
 
That's probably the only sensible way to do a FS by the way.
 
user142019
Heh Jeff Atwood is verified on Twitter.
 
@DeadMG (A) I must have a bug in my code then, because you're right that that should work. (B) technically the spec says that's not a "copy constructor", but that's not really relevant.
 
5:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No?
 
Ok, thought that was what the duck was referring to.
 
also would help if I read the errors
Error 4 error C2512: 'Wide::Memory::ArenaAllocator<T>' : no appropriate default constructor available mpd\track\track.h 526
 
@Cicada I guess... I don't really understand about file systems, but wanted to give it a try on the high-level features
 
lol
indeed, it is not default constructible.
because what the fuck arena would it allocate from? And a global arena does not make sense.
 
yeah, that's clearly a bug in my code
 
5:49 PM
also I should really re-code that shit so that it expands each successive allocation.
 
And kind of just do it however "just worked" on the file format
 
@MooingDuck There is always a copy constructor declared, and it gets deleted in only a handful of situations, none of which involves a function template.
 
This is for a read-only file system, btw, not sure if that has any bearing on the necessity of B-trees or not
 
(Whether a type is copyable or not is another matter however.)
 
@LucDanton it was implicitly deleted by other constructors
 
5:50 PM
Which aren't templates! is the point.
 
@LucDanton and template constructors are by definition not copy constructors, ever.
 
@LucDanton Does the Standard explicitly state that they have to be non-template?
 
@DeadMG yes
 
oic
 
@DeadMG I don't see what difference it makes though, still copiable >.>
 
5:51 PM
none in this case.
 
@MooingDuck That's a different matter altogether.
 
The parts where files could actually be modified would be after mount points that actually referred to system directories (such as the home directory)
 
the error bitched about default-constructibility, and it sure ain't default-constructible.
 
as always
 
@DeadMG
../..\DeadMG\Arena\Arena.h(159,84) : warning: unused parameter 'hint' [-Wunused-parameter]
template<typename Other> pointer allocate(size_type count, const Other* hint = 0) {
^
../..\DeadMG\Arena\Arena.h(182,0) : warning: C++98 requires newline at end of file [-Wc++98-compat-pedantic]
 
eh
hint usage is quite optional
 
5:55 PM
@DeadMG well sure, but delete the name of the parameter and the warning goes away. , const Other* = 0)
 
@Lig
 
inb4 "moved to bin"
 
@MooingDuck Sure, but I don't give a shit about that warning, VS doesn't even raise it.
 
clang is giving me far more warnings at home than at work. interesting.
main.cpp(28,22) :  warning: declaration requires a global constructor [-Wglobal-constructors]
mpd::track<move_ctor> test;
                      ^~~~
I don't even know what that means
 
@Cicada I understand this is not what you wanted, but in any case can you enlighten me as to whether would a complex data structure such as a B-tree actually be a good thing on a read-only file system? If it is, then I'll want to know so I can consider that for GRiFS when I get back to it, but I'm guessing that simply keeping the files index in memory and hashing the paths would be good enough given there aren't too many files
 
5:57 PM
@Abyx (removed)
@MooingDuck there are more dangers at home than at work
 
@n2liquid Nah if you only need read-only, B-tree is overkill.
 
What would you suggest?
 
For a read only FS, your spec is enough. Hash filenames and a lookup table with file offset.
 
@Cicada google made free b-trees
 
Yay! I was right \o/
 
5:59 PM
@Lightness Not to be rude but you insist on being obtuse today, don’t you?
 

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