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18:00
@ThePhD I really like his other books. I am however wondering if I should buy that one.
Well, if you can stomach Bascule the Teller... good luck.
Also, Ubuntu why u force me to specify password? ;~;
user142019
Hurray I got a black screen with DirectX how fun.
Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right.
GUI sudos are really bad at no passwords thing
Oh well. I just made my password meow.
18:05
@BrettHale FS?
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Q: I need to fill a textbox or i need to print data into a textbox on selecting any data from drop down list automatically using javascript

user2078949Like if we select any state or country from drop down list, then it must append some data into another textbox which has a label

LOL
Texture coordinates are such jerks. ;~;
YESS
HE'S ALIIIVE
THE FARMER LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVES
Poor bastard
"I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God... the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure." @ThePhD - texture coordinates are one of the few things I like. Dependable, reliable ... like an old friend in a world gone mad with matrix transforms.
18:10
> I run an online community with over 10k members and frequently get spammed by users sending spam messages to other members in the forms of money scams. They are not sent via robots but by real human beings, probably sat in cyber cafes abroad!!
Racist
@BrettHale Not when people change up the coordinate system in a fundamental way.
I, too, get spammed by users sending spam messages
Like making bottom-left 0,0 for some really awkward reason.
Wait, what
That's the standard coordinate space
Not in texturing world and according to every 2D drawing program and 2D picture-making program in existence.
bottom-left should not be 0,0.
top-left is 0,0.
For everything texture-related.
In a game, the regular object space should be bottom-left 0,0 of course.
18:13
Bottom-Left is (0, 0). We are living in a Cartesian world, and I am a Cartesian girl. No, wait, that came out wrong. But seriously, image formats and screens have it wrong.
OpenGL texture space is like that
Nobody reads an image from bottom to top.
That's nonsensical.
Bitmaps are saved from bottom to top
Yeah, but that's like, only bitmaps.
18:13
:lol:
Everybody else is top-down. D:
@ThePhD how one "reads" an image is pretty much irrelevant, really.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's relevant to meeee. Now I have to transform texture coordinates. D:
@ThePhD It's more to do with the fact that we're used to things vertically "starting" at the bottom, due to our lifelong experience with gravity.
@ThePhD Put the boobs on the bottom and people will read it bottom to top.
18:14
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is there Unicode for boobs?
@ThePhD That is, the ground is located at a specific point whereas the sky "goes on for ever"
@CatPlusPlus Flip that vertically and you have DirectX Texture space.
.. which is retarded.
And the image space for every other image ever.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The thing is, images aren't infinite. They're finite. Screens are finite. If you put your mouse at the top of your screen and you got a Y coordinate that wasn't 0, you'd flip out.
@ThePhD No not really, and I just explained why.
My arbitrary coordinate system is less arbitrary than your arbitrary coordinate system!
~Siiigh~
Alright, fine I get it.
What... really?!
Cool
At least with OpenGL I can tell it to change its texture addressing style.
"Read this upside-down"
"Okay."
Don't know if that works with non-fixed-function-pipelines, though.
18:17
#define OPENGL_DO_IT_WRONG 1
@CatPlusPlus - that is the true face of reality. Mathematically consistent in a right-handed universe. @ThePhD, you are pissing in the wind my friend: old scan-line conventions don't make a sound basis for a coordinate system.
You can transform texture coordinates just like you would vertex ones
If you really feel the need to
you are pissing on my friend, the wind
Maybe it stepped on a sea urchin
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The wind does that to me when it rains. "Oh, you have a nice umbrella? BUAHAHA GUST OF WIND I HOPE YOU ENJOY THE RAIN AND THESE LEAVES BITCH."
18:18
@CatPlusPlus Are we doing basic tutorials now?
@BartekBanachewicz Yes
On Error Resume Next
@CatPlusPlus oh well
I think I will render more cubes
@CatPlusPlus Oh gawd, the memories.
I think I forgot OpenGL reads stuff upside-down
Srsly, I have to create a server
18:19
Because very early when working with it I put some setup stuff where it was like
Anyone used ZMQ with C++?
Zoidberg
glTex2D*( 1.0f, -1.0f, .... );
What's ZMQ?
@ThePhD ZeroMQ networking library
18:20
It's not a networking framework
@CatPlusPlus oh, great. The only person I can ask
Well, okay, maybe somewhat you could call it that
Ugh, I need to recenter my vertices when I important models.
It's bit stretching it though
My 3-D designers don't make the bottom-center of the model the middle sometimes. ;~;
18:21
I, too, important models
@CatPlusPlus the "device" concept is pretty high-level framework-ish, don't you think?
@CatPlusPlus call the pirate; we need a translator
Wow it's been like 30 minutes and Ubuntu is still installing.
I thought this wasn't supposed to feel like Windows.
It's Ubuntu
Of course it's supposed to feel like Windows
Oh for crying out loud, edits are throttled too
go and upvote sbi on meta
I probably already did it's an old thread
18:26
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Q: This post does not meet our quality standards

user132651I know what the problem is, but i am Norwegan and the spelcheck does it on Norwegan so ewry word i write in english is wrong according to the spellcheck. Please help it is so anoying it happens on Ubundu.com anyone got an idea on how to fix it?

Demon Kitties
Shine on, you crazy diamonds.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Seriously how bad they can get
18:31
@CatPlusPlus Very :(
@BrettHale marbles innit
What kind of excuse is that anyway
"I can't be bothered to proofread because my browser has only Norwegian dictionary" jesus
Ban on sight
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz what about it.
Well, maybe he just has an extreme case of :Effort:
@Zoidberg you did use it from C++, from what I've heard
user142019
From Haskell and Python, yes.
18:36
@Michael: I am living in a culture where we do not pretend to not to be using the words we are using. TTBOMK, the expression I used is regularly used between developers to refer to failures, so I used it without even thinking about it. Again: Like so many here, I didn't grow up in a culture that denies using their most-used swear word. I try to adjust, but not having it ingrained I keep forgetting. — sbi Sep 12 '11 at 17:22
@sbi: That's ludicrous. In your culture, do you have no semblance of professionalism? Do you go around writing "f***" on business correspondance? On tenders that you hand to customers for their signature? If you find yourself physically incapable of suppressing your use of such words, you may wish to consult a medical practioner. Otherwise, simply abide by the site's policies of which you of all people are well aware! — Lightness Races in Orbit 2 mins ago
Right?
I wouldn't call SO business correspondance, no.
I didn't say that it is
I know, but your argument only makes sense if you did.
However, it has been decided that SO posts shall constitute some level of professionalism. The question is whether the OP is capable of abiding by that policy.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit AHahahahahahahaha no
18:38
@LucDanton No, I completely disagree.
~professionalism~
There's no cure for being a cunt.
Fuck that
> I try to adjust, but not having it ingrained I keep forgetting
It really is a cultural thing.
18:38
That is the point, and my response addresses that. There is no excuse for "keep forgetting" not to swear, because of the precedence set by the business world.
user142019
I'm grumpy.
I'm not forgetting not to swear
I don't intend to not swear
Note that I'm not necessarily agreeing with SO's profanity policy. I'm writing given what it already is.
For fucks sake, this silly argument again?
user142019
Yeah, tabs suck.
18:39
@TonyTheLion I think perhaps you're misinterpreting it :(
ahaha
oh so how am I supposed to interpret it?
@TonyTheLion never mind
It's hilarious to see people get all offended about :words:
now, why am I upvoting sbi on meta?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit strange interpretation...
18:40
@CatPlusPlus Would you write "fuck" on business correspondance, and act in disbelief when someone called it out as inappropriate?
I question the notion that there there is one definitive business world.
Define business correspondence
I'd write "fuck" on anything :P
@CatPlusPlus A letter of intent to a customer for a multi-million pound deal.
Basically: can we agree that there are situations in life when saying "fuck" is not appropriate?
When talking with my mom
18:41
Gee, what do you think the answer will be.
I reject this world of yours
Great. So then we gloss over the "should SO ban profanity?" question because that's not under discussion here (and I'm probably with you on it, but it's not the point today), and move straight on to "it is SO policy; so why do you say you're incapable of following it?"
Because that's what sbi said
:)
So suddenly it's not about those comments you quoted then.
There's a name for it!
Because it's dumb policy
18:43
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
"Woop woop I'm offended at your WORDS"
It's fine. I completely respect SO's policy, even if I find it a little precious on occasions. Chat / Lounge is a different beast. Tongue in cheek stuff. As an Australian, there is nothing on this earth better than hearing an Englishman unleash profanity. It's a thing of understated beauty I'll do anything to encourage.
dinner time :)
@LucDanton Um, yes, it's exactly that. What part of my interpretation do you disagree with, precisely?
18:44
@LucDanton Or perhaps you're just being obtuse
Your bread is bleeding
@melak47 why the blood?
Is that bread with fried shrimps
@Cicada yes
want
18:45
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because I like my bread fresh, I guess?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't care about the meta discussions. I thought you were addressing the quotes in particular.
It's really sad that people care about other people saying "fuck"
tbh
@melak47 The fuck is that?
@LucDanton Well, mostly I was. I was addressing the specific discussion on that meta page, using those two comments to summarise it. I guess.
@R.MartinhoFernandes dinner.jpg
18:45
We should say it more to desensitise them
@CatPlusPlus I don't think they get offended by it. There's just a notion of "there's a time and a place" to which some subscribe and others don't. It's a relatively arbitrary decision to reserve some words for non-ubiquitous use, and I think that's quite nice. It makes them special.
If everyone would be using it in every situation, it would magically turn into ~just a word~
It's not about ubiquity though
And then some other new word would come along to take its place, because there will always be one that you can't use professionally, and you'll moan about that one too
18:46
It's about strong connotation :v
seems a bit like how people say "why can't C++ be more like C#"
Fuck professionalism
Everyone is taking themselves too seriously
what word are you guys even talking about
World would be much better place if they didn't~
That fucking word
the answer is -- there needs to be a language at C++'s layer, and that language... is C++. Changing it to another language doesn't make C++ go away. It creates another language. Like C#
18:47
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because C++ was first?
@FredOverflow actually C# was invented in 1923
C++ would be good if it weren't C++
@LightnessRacesinOrbit someone noted it's existence?
@FredOverflow but it took some years for it to worm its way out of its creator's ass
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, possibly.
So that's why the first version was shitty
18:49
someone shat C# into existence?!
woah
@CatPlusPlus I think that argument is the strongest I've seen to support de-stigmatising swearing
@TonyTheLion C# (contrarily to C++) was actually designed
@CatPlusPlus Still, it seems like the notion of "being on your best behaviour" in certain situations is rightfully not going to go away, and I see no reason for that not to extend to language. We decide that we have a concept of "polite language", so that we get to deploy it when we decide that we want to "be polite". If we make all words just words then that ability goes away, and suddenly there is no distinction between "polite" and "non-polite".
@CatPlusPlus And you lose that classification ability whilst gaining... well, what, exactly? You want so bad to say that word? Is it that important?
18:51
I don't care about distinction between "polite" and "non-polite"
manners?
@CatPlusPlus That's all I've got :)
I say get rid of all formalism
@Cicada If C++ wasn't designed, then WTF did the C++ committee do for the last I don't know how many years?
@CatPlusPlus Oh, you're one of those people. Okay, then I won't be able to reason with you.
18:51
Yes I'm a silly manchild and will never grow up or care about ~grown up~ world
@FredOverflow Hilarious attempts at fixing it
@CatPlusPlus Not like for a bad reason or anything, just that you will always reject my arguments on this topic, by definition, because you don't support the base premise.
@FredOverflow she's trolling, please ignore
But I'll die happy at least
@CatPlusPlus So it's pointless
18:52
Yeah probably
@Cicada Was C# designed?
@TonyTheLion Only the truth hurts
@FredOverflow Most certainly. Also, by an experienced language designer.
Oh, and you're only 20. Heh, ok :D
@FredOverflow TBH pre-standard C++ probably wasn't rigorously designed
C# 1.0 was designed from scratch, C++ "1.0" was compatible with C.
18:53
@CatPlusPlus you think dying is a happy experience?
@TonyTheLion Well I won't have to pay taxes any more
ahahahah
@TonyTheLion I'm dying and quite happy
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how are you dying?
@Cicada Why on earth would a language designer design a language with a universal object base class containing an equals(Object) method?
18:53
@TonyTheLion the same way you are
Everyone is dying
Very slowly
It's incurable
18:54
I was trying to be too logical
@Abyx Version numbers don't mean much.
I got trolled
I honestly didn't mean it as a troll
You had me though
It's like they say to you when you're born "we're sorry but you only have 100 more years to live"
18:54
Define "dying" better
You just don't remember it
I was thinking you had some disease or something
@TonyTheLion well okay I admit I did throw that part in for a moment's fun
it was hilarious, here I was laughing my ass off at the idea of you dying
:P
NOT
18:55
I hate that languages like C# have version numbers. I really, really hate it. Don't even really know why. It's not as if I'm a "continuous evolution of language" zealot or anything.
@FredOverflow I don't know. I'm no language designer. Are you?
@Cicada we have a lot of language designers here
@Cicada I designed lots of little toy languages with absolutely no real world usage.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, because C++ has no version numbers.
18:56
Zoidberg is the ultimate language designer
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit - I actually like the idea of 'polite', as I like the idea of 'manners'. I used to consider it nonsense, but it really is the grease for the wheels of society. Force a smile and manners even when you don't feel like it, and people respond to respect. Why the fuck am I writing this? Oh. I'm on my second bottle. How sad. Got to stay focused. Who did what now? Who are you people? How did you get into my internet?
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I agree.
Every language has a version number
@Zoidberg Good, because I was being ironic.
English 4.0
18:57
Not versioning your spec is silly
English has no spec
@melak47 ALSO OMG
you have the same keyboard as i do!
@CatPlusPlus C++ sort of has them with its :1998, :2003, :2011. But somehow this is different to me than 1.0, 1.1, 2.0
it's awesome right!!
@BartekBanachewicz it's spec is ambigious
user142019
18:57
Do people still use Python 1?
English is also not a formal language so it's irrelevant to this discussion
Again, I can't at all explain why I hate it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Version numbers are always arbitrary
:7759610 yeah fuck englsih
Besides they also version drafts
If only to track changes
18:58
@CatPlusPlus, 'I' before 'E', except after 'C', except for the million exceptions to this rule.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're broken.
I think it might be because it makes a language look like a software program in its packaging, and I hate the way languages like C# are blurred with some single IDE or some single SDK. A language is a language, not a software package with intellisense bundled for free
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah :(
C# is microsoft baby
@CatPlusPlus Not if you follow <major>.<minor>.<patch> like a good boy
and thus is hardly used outside microsoft environment
that's probably why I still don't want to learn it
18:59
should be on one line for starbait wins
@BartekBanachewicz Right, if you discount mobile.
DirectX has the same problem

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