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12:00 PM
likewise it wouldn't break with markdown should I have to paste code
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes okey
 
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@Rapptz 1) You had to set one setting in your brand new editor, once? To then get complete unadulterated semantic indentation for the rest of its entire lifetime in ALL of your tomalak-compliant code? OH NOES
@Rapptz 2) "multiple lines would break pretty badly" Oh? What did you do wrong?
 
I'll give you a code snippet
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I can hardly wait
 
12:01 PM
as soon as you start to try to line up comments do a little ascii art, changing tab size will mess it all up
 
Sure, tabs work if you keep to certain particular styles. Spaces work all the time.
 
o.O
No, they don't.
Okay I don't want to start this back up again
 
					void this_is_my_function (
					                          int param_a,
					                          int param_b,
					                          int param_c
					                          );
 
I can never understand the counter-argument. It just seems completely baffling to me.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do you type all those spaces manually?
 
12:02 PM
 
					void this_is_my_function (
						int param_a,
						int param_b,
						int param_c
					);
 
;_;
sigh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes usually yes, because my functions aren't that long
 
what the hell.
 
12:03 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I will just laugh, then.
 
that paste is ruined
 
@Rapptz that's badly tabbed code, and WTF word wrap
 
@Rapptz That's a nonsense comparison. When you set your tab spacing to a sensible level, that problem does not exist.
 
my tab width is the same
 
I was under the impression that practically everybody uses spaces in their codebase for indentation
 
12:03 PM
lmao
 
@Rapptz Just the same as if you'd typed a different arbitrary number of spaces
 
@doug65536 not quite
 
meh... if you use VS, just install Productivity Power Tools, they'll fix mixed tabs/spaces.
 
@doug65536 I was hoping that practically everybody uses tabs, but I am loath to discover that morons are still out there :(
@Rapptz Great! Now I can change mine, everything is fine, no problem.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ahem. So using tab as a replacement for "4 spaces at once" is okay then? Cool, I can macro that away.
 
12:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that's what I do
 
@Abyx yeah, if you don't mind it screwing up the IDE all the time. the find functionality goes completely nuts. VS addons all suck, no exceptions
 
I don't.. manually put spaces.
 
@Rapptz There is no reason to forcibly encode rendering information (exact number of spaces) into your semantic programming code.
 
That's barbaric.
 
Look what Tomalak is trying to tell you
 
Ell
12:05 PM
I always used tabs, its quicker to type :P
 
that's barbaric
 
look how little I care
 
Ell
what are those springy tabs?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So what? Do spaces make a difference in HTML?
 
oh those
don't get me started on those
 
12:05 PM
Spaces are not rendering information.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Er yes they are.
 
I won't bother.
 
Oh look I want you to render these words  further apart
 
That's not what spaces are for.
 
People just can't use tabs properly
 
12:06 PM
guise
 
try highlighting a block of code and pressing Tab/Shift+Tab. it indents/unindents. try putting the cursor at the start of a line and pressing Tab/Shift+Tab.
 
and they blame them, when the fault is in bad editors and improper usage
 
you need to get a life and move on
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes CORRECT!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Honestly dude, at least make a decent argument like Tomalak
 
12:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Right, I don't want to spend time typing in spaces.
 
Your argument is shitty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, let's not use them in that manner. They're being used by people to enforce a single indentation block width.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's not what tabs are for either.
 
@doug65536 bullshit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, that's true. It turns out that typewriters were not invented to format programming code. So we have to steal a few features for our goals.
 
Ell
12:07 PM
let's make a new align-character!
 
@Ell we don't need any. There's tab already
 
@Ell Don't need one. Tab does that precisely.
 
we need a code-indent key on the keyboard :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And you arbitrarily steal tabs.
 
@Abyx I tried to like it, I really did. eventually, I'd had it with trying to get it to search and replace selected text.
 
12:08 PM
@Feeds Wow, new FAQ. Do we know this guy?
 
Ell
why don't we just run our code through a prettifier before each commit? :P
 
one tab, one indentation level. two tabs, two indentation levels. three tabs, three indentation levels. and you and your editor can render that however you want! When you use spaces, that semantic information is not inherently present and my editor cannot figure out what the indentation level is supposed to be from your messy shitty code.
it's just basic OCD
duh doy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes use a shortcut for that then
 
@FredOverflow he's been in the room a few times
 
12:09 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I will just laugh now too.
 
@FredOverflow Acquainted somewhat.
 
alright :)
@FredOverflow Yep
 
Spaces are basically less information than tabs
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hahahaha.
 
shut up about tabs and spaces already
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12:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
this is very boring
 
@BartekBanachewicz They are both the same information: a token separator.
 
@BartekBanachewicz O_o
 
@TonyTheLion your mom is very boring
 
Ell
anyyyyyyywayy let's talk about boobs or something
 
12:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how do you know that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no. one encodes information about indentation level. the other does not, without further information on "spaces per indentation level".
@TonyTheLion you really want to know?
 
@Ell boobs have nipples :P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Only because your editor decides to interpret it that way.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it was a rhetorical question.
 
12:11 PM
@TonyTheLion okay
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's the other interpretation? Bananas?
 
user1357851
gosh I think one of my ISPs (where one of my servers is on) got hacked
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if only one person works on the code it seems fine to use tabs. once you have a large group of people all using some different editor, you practically have to use spaces
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, I see. Yes. I guess I am speaking with "at the start of a line in programming code they mean indentation in some form" as a given. I don't think that's unreasonable
@doug65536 The exact opposite of what you just said is true.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit do you use tabs for table-like code? - pastebin.com/5XkeH92r
 
12:12 PM
@doug65536 only if the people can't use tabs for indenting, spaces for aligning
 
@Abyx actually I prefer spaces for it. :) tabs were designed for tabulation, yes, but they fucking suck at it
 
Don't join the argument, damnit!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some programs interpret it as a column separator. Tabs are whatever software makes them to be.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wow you actually know!
 
12:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes so is the ASCII value '69'
 
Ell
A tab space should be defined as the average distance between nipples, converted to EM
 
@Abyx I use spaces, and I know how to make a block selection, so I can simultaneously move ALL those ) either way in seconds
 
@doug65536 This reminds me of company setting tab size to 3, because half of the programmers used 2, other half 4. They set it to 3 to hurt both sides equally.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think we can safely assume that, in this context, it's a letter that forms part of program code.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have no idea what that means.
 
12:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes The ASCII value '69'? Hold on let me find you a chart
 
@Ell lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know it's E.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No it's not. It's just a byte. Whether it's rendered as E is entirely up to your editor, isn't it? It's whatever software makes it to be.
 
ASCII is a standard though
 
you can draw a block selection then press Ctrl+Del, then ALL the close parentheses line up perfectly in one keypress. block selection is Alt+<selection keypresses / mouse moves>
 
12:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, that's just your browser interpretation
 
wut
 
@BartekBanachewicz What? No. ASCII 69 is the letter E. It does not matter what it looks like.
 
@Rapptz Who says I have to interpret this file of bytes as ASCII?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your browser and editor choose to load the file as ASCII.
 
Just like ASCII 9 is the tabulation character.
 
That has nothing to do with the ASCII value of 69.
Are you serious? O_o
 
12:15 PM
But different software as different ideas of what "tabulation" means.
 
Tab key (abbreviation of tabulator key or tabular key) on a keyboard is used to advance the cursor to the next tab stop. The word tab derives from the word tabulate, which means "to arrange data in a tabular, or table, form." When a person wanted to type a table (of numbers or text) on a typewriter, there was a lot of time-consuming and repetitive use of the space bar and backspace key. To simplify this, a horizontal bar was placed in the mechanism with a moveable lever stop for every position across the page. Initially these were set by hand, but later tab set and tab clear keys were ad...
 
I just like the value 69 :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not really.
 
Ell
guise please
 
mehehehehehe
 
Ell
12:15 PM
why don't you just agree to disagree?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I use the Tab key for indentation.
 
@Ell that's a given
 
Anyway I'm going to bed. You guys can argue all you want.
 
Ell
Peace and love, peace and love, that's the answer to everything
 
@Ell we already know that these people won't be corrected. damn facist bigots.
 
12:16 PM
All I know is that I don't ever want to join Tomalak's code review team.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes With et presumably?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's linked to specific paragraph
 
@Rapptz Are you going to "argue" with yourself in bed? :)
@Rapptz I don't have a code review team. It's a software development team.
 
But, don't worry, because there's no way we'd let you into our high-calibre ranks!
 
12:16 PM
okey, I'm done.
 
Ell
Jesus christ my dad went and got the 40gb a month package from bt. Ahhhhhhh we've used 32gb already >.<
 
Please send me all spaces-indented code with additional information about tab size, so I can convert it
Of course I don't have to send you such information, when I send tab-indented code back
 
@Ell In how long?
 
admit it, you guys like tabs because it saves CPU cycles
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@R.MartinhoFernandes good boy :) btw, is there some trick in vim that would make pasting "just work" instead of having to do :set paste beforehand?
 
12:18 PM
@NikiC Hmm, I think you will have to elaborate.
I don't think I am familiar with that issue.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 16 days :P
 
do people really use tabs in 2013
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes When using autoindent and you paste something (a "normal" paste, not a vim paste) then it'll completely fuck up your indentation ^^
 
user1357851
@Cicada of course, why do you think there is a tab key on the keyboard >_<
 
12:20 PM
Hmm. I normally use the clipboard.
"+p
 
@Cicada god please don't (start the discussion again)
 
@Telkitty to move focus?
 
@NikiC if you take your exact selection into consideration, you can put the cursor in the right place to begin with before you paste.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd use that too, though I don't have that thingy compiled in that is required for it. Maybe I should just do that... ^^
 
@Cicada oh not you :(
 
12:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Don't tell me some people use tabs?!?
Unless you mean tab controls
 
@Cicada I use them.
 
@Cicada oh god not you too :(
 
I treat copy/paste as a minigame. see if you can do the copy and paste such that when you paste it's already perfect
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't ofc! Spaces everywhere
 
user142019
12:22 PM
@Telkitty to insert four spaces at once?
 
@Cicada: It is so over.
 
We're getting overwhelmed, @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
Space-indenter master race reporting in
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's like the tag
 
12:23 PM
I see coworkers all the time just slapping the paste in some dumb place then "fixing" it for the next 15 seconds
 
overwhelmed by bullshittery and moronity
 
@doug65536 "overwhelmed by bullshittery and moronity"
 
well it's a matter of taste
a matter of bad taste mostly
 
@Cicada it's not.
 
@NikiC There is also some object that represents the last pasted thing IIRC. You can do =<that object> to fix it up.
 
12:23 PM
...Dumbness Races in Lounge.
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user142019
Tabs must be syntax errors.
 
it's a matter of whether or not you wish to be my friend
@Abyx haha
 
@Abyx said Abyx, lol.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'll have to consider
 
@Cicada too late
 
12:24 PM
Using tabs is a serious offense you know
 
@Cicada you didn't add me to Facebook
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, that sounds cool
 
I'm not sure our friendship can make it through this
 
@BartekBanachewicz And this is where I will invoke my argumentum ad populum to prove tabs suck!
 
@Cicada actually he uses both tabs and spaces.
 
12:25 PM
I didn't realize that the software industry was utterly fragmented into tab and space factions
 
@Abyx Abyx Races in the Special Olympics
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Noooooooo! <change to appropriate Trope>
 
@doug65536 It's not; you can't claim that those people are part of my industry?!
 
Tabs should be syntax errors.
 
12:25 PM
Oh if daknok says it
Okay then!!!!!!
 
Ell
then it must be true
 
user142019
That guy is great.
 
@doug65536 We stage fights to the death in the puppy's "memory arena".
 
Ell
someone ping me
 
12:26 PM
It's amazing how many supposedly intelligent people can wank so hard over such nonsense non-arguments. I am honestly open to my mind being changed but I've never heard a self-consistent argument, let alone a remotely attractive one.
 
@Ell you suck
 
:7755100
@Ell What for?
@Ell Why?
@Ell What's happening?
 
@Ell Do you want more?
 
user142019
12:27 PM
@Ell nah.
 
@Ell Is that enough?
 
Your challenge is to change my mind. But not today.
 
Ell
I'm trying out the desktop notifications:D
 
@Ell potato
 
Now. What shall I have for lunch?
 
user142019
12:27 PM
Dogshit.
 
Ell
pretty coolio
 
I'll stop with these 2 comments: 1) I used tabs for many years, 2) I realized spaces were better
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Simple curiosity, how do you indent assignations?
 
user142019
What moron flagged that. Go do something better with your life.
 
@Cicada Spaces.
 
user1357851
12:28 PM
I guess it depends on the editor as well
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Correct.
 
Ell
Don't bash what you haven't tried
what's the saying?
 
user1357851
Vim for example, works better with tabs as spaces
 
user142019
Watlolno.
 
@Cicada What do you mean?
 
user1357851
12:28 PM
?set tabstop=3
 
@Telkitty Last I checked it works just fine with both.
 
user142019
Eww 3.
 
@Zoidberg ahahaha he says in a C++ chatroom on the internet
 
Also, vim has a lot more to say about tabs/spaces than tabstop.
If you like tabs, it is awesome.
 
user142019
Yes "Dogshit" is really offensive.
 
12:29 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit When you have a cascade of assignations (a = ... b = ... c = ...) on consecutive lines. Do you not align the = ?
 
Ell
flagflagflag
 
Wow. I just understood I don't have to send a matrix per each cube - they won't be rotated anyway. I CAN HAS OPTIMIZE
 
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, but better not to mix the two, use spaces or tabs, but not spaces and tabs
 
@Zoidberg Your response was rude and immature. It's the intent, not the literal word.
 
It lets you configure the heck out of it, so you don't ever have to use a different key for indenting.
 
12:29 PM
@Cicada space is a character used for alignment. Tab is character used for indenting
 
user142019
I'd say fine if I repeatedly call your mother a fucking whore cunt or something, but please God not "dogshit".
 
@Cicada Oh, right. Yeah, spaces.
 
@Telkitty Vim has four or five options that exist for mixing them.
 
There we have. Spaces > Tabs. End.
 
Yes, that makes sense.
 
12:30 PM
hm... actually that's a good idea to make tabs a compiler error - pastebin.com/rbrKPtYG
 
@BartekBanachewicz Space is for separating tokens.
 
*sigh*
@R.MartinhoFernandes You'd best not use it for aligning your code then
 
user142019
Space is used for both indenting and alignment.
 
I think our conclusion here today is that we must flush ALL lines of code to the left margin, because neither spaces nor tabs were invented for writing C++.
 
@Zoidberg ... by dorks
 
user142019
12:30 PM
And tabs are syntax errors.
 
I bet Tomalak uses 8-spaces tabs, and that's why he doesn't want to switch to spaces because it'd require "too much typing".
 
@Cicada dude.
 
user1357851
@R.MartinhoFernandes true, but tabs can be arbituarily set, so layout can look different on different machines.
 
@Cicada: Do you really think I have a problem with "too much typing"?
 
Ell
Wait I forgot why tabs are badfor indentation
 
12:31 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That last bit is true.
 
Is there a "girldude" word in english? I want to use it right now.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No lol, do you really think I care whether you use tabs or spaces
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well it's your only argument so far, so what other conclusion shall we draw?
@Cicada I don't think you care at all. Which is why you didn't add me to Facebook.
 
@BartekBanachewicz "dudette"
 
user142019
@Ell because they're not equally wide everywhere.
 
12:31 PM
@AndreiTita !
 
"tomboy" is a boyish girl
 
@Cicada dudette.
 
@Zoidberg wtf. they do not have pixel wideness. that is a good thing. it is the whole point. stop being a moron
 
user142019
You know what I mean you fool.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg but then all languages have different conventions for indentation anyway? as long as the level of indentation is the same then it doesn't matter, does it?
 
12:32 PM
@doug65536 It's also a little soft for taking notes shipping by default in Ubuntu and written in C#
 
@Zoidberg you don't know yourself.
 
Zoidberg needs plonking for a while I think
yes yes I know, don't announce your plonks, withdrawn
 
@Ell Yes, it does.
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You should plonk me indeed. No more idiotic plinks.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit My point is that he was trying to make an argument out of arbitrarly assigned semantics to the characters.
 
Ell
12:32 PM
like some peeps like 2 spaces, some peeps 4, etc, so if you just let the individual choose the tab level, hen everyone is happy?
 
because when you paste your code on Pastebin and the textbox shows 4 spaces per tab, but it renders at 8.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I musta missed that one but okay
 
then anyone trying to edit your paste and put their own indentation in will epic fail.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If true then I'm with you on that one
 
user142019
12:33 PM
@Ell that's the problem.
 
Ell
@DeadMG so surely pastebin is the problem then?
 
user142019
It must be the same for everyone who reads the code.
 
Pastebin is the problem there. Writing programming code in shitty textboxes on websites.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg why? if people prefer different levels?
 
user142019
Especially when you have things like 80 column limit.
 
12:33 PM
@Ell No. There are many more examples.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's just a shitty tool
 
The solution is to fix Pastebin, not rape all of your programming code
 
Ell
as long as the level of indentation is the same?
 
@Zoidberg 80 column limit is hilarious
 
for example, VS can be set to have a different tab width, so you can't have any idea how your code will lay out on another's machine.
 
user142019
12:34 PM
Indeed, 79 column limit is much better.
 
Zoidberg wasn't alive when there was an 80-column limit in anything
 
@Cicada not quite. On my 24". 2x80 fits perfectly.
 
user142019
I always use 79 column limit except in C# and Objective-C, for which you need an IDE anyway.
 
22 mins ago, by doug65536
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if only one person works on the code it seems fine to use tabs. once you have a large group of people all using some different editor, you practically have to use spaces
 
Repeating it doesn't make it truer, @doug65536
 
Ell
12:34 PM
@DeadMG but you do know? You know the level of indentation will be the same, so that's all that matters? If each individual likes a particuar tab width then it's up to them
 
Vim works just fine with mixed.
 
it was regarding the claim that pastebin is broken
 
@BartekBanachewicz I use 100 as column limit. Sometimes 120.
 
I am sure emacs does too.
 
Use mixed then
 
12:34 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Also not less true
 
Just use one of those.
 
all editors are broken
 
@Ell Except if you use 2-tabs and the other guy uses 8-tabs then you may well go over his screen width, even if it's the same as yours.
 
@Cicada 100 isn't much more, so kewl.
 
12:35 PM
Use MIXED TABS OF VARYING WIDTHS
Who cares
 
WHAT SHALL I HAVE FOR LUNCH
 
Peanuts
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was WONDERING THE SAME
 
Ell
@DeadMG 2-tabs? as in 2 tabs after eachother or tabs which are the same length as 2 chararcters?
 
12:35 PM
tabs discussion still raging on...
 
I haven't eaten since thursday
 
@Ell Tabs which are 2spaces width.
 
@DeadMG sometimes
 
@NikiC I tried to stop
 
@Cicada I'm not talking to you any more
 
12:36 PM
@doug65536 haha
 
Ell
Well if that's how he likes his tabs in the morning, that's up to him
 
I suggest tabs that are one space wide. That way tabs and spaces are the same and we don't have to argue
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user142019
@NikiC have fun with your editor.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Noooooo!! ~ sob sob
 
12:36 PM
@Ell Not really, since you decided how many tabs could fit on one line.
 
user142019
Still, the width of tabs is not stored in the source file and hence is not the same for everyone. Though I think you can instruct Vim and Emacs in a comment, but still not everybody uses Vim or Emacs.
 
@Cicada Cry me a river
 
Right. Vim and emacs are the only sane editors. And emacs isn't one.
 
@DeadMG You mean the problem is people using tabs for spacing, not indentation.
 
Ell
@DeadMG I don't understand? You only need to tab to indent so the tab width wouldn't change how many tabs you write?
 
12:37 PM
Fuck those people.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the 2nd part
 
do people rly use emacs
 
@TonyTheLion turns out, everyone did :)
 
vim i can understand
but emacs??
 
@Ell Right, but after you use X many tabs, you're like "Fuck this, it's too many, and my code won't fit on the screen".
 
12:38 PM
@Cicada inorite
 
@Cicada it's nicest when you're into lisp
 
but if you have tabs which are 2 wide, then that's a lot later than if you have 8 wide tabs.
 
user142019
Sublime Text 2 infers indentation from the contents of the file, which is so fucking geil.
 
@DeadMG Don't nest so much. Give up on that SESE crap.
 
@sehe queue "do people really use lisp"
 
Ell
12:38 PM
so reduce your tab width? it's up to you if you're okay with scrolling or not
 
What is this insanity?
 
@Zoidberg vim guesses it from filetype and or modeline
@Cicada inorite :)
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion TABS
 
Ell
if it bothers you, just reduce tab width, if not, leave it the same
it just means people have choice
 
@Cicada The idiom is with "cue" btw, just in case you were not doing it on purpose.
 
12:38 PM
I like my tabs as zero-width spaces
 
@sehe also vim has a stupid default filetype for .md extension ^^
 
@NikiC .md ? works for me I think. Let me guess, monodevelop something?
 
Everyone knows .md is supposed to be markdown...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How else am I supposed to define Wide::Codegen::FunctionCall::ComputeValue() with a loop in it?
 
bloody republicans
 
user142019
12:39 PM
Use NUL to indent.
 
@NikiC I set mine for mixed YAML/Markdown/C++ for editing my blog posts. It's awesome.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you'll never know
 
@NikiC I only recently figured that out :(
 
Mixed syntax highlighting is the best thing since sliced bread.
 
12:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mmm. Is that a custom syntax file or is it a vim feature I didn't know?
 
@NikiC I'm not one of those tools on "github" or whatever
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how can one do such an awesomeness?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I got a Markdown extension for my Wordpress blog. It's ... good.
 
I don't even know how I can change the filetype for an extension at all :/
 
user142019
I like Windows 8.
 
user142019
12:41 PM
Metro is awesome.
 
Zomg. The whole damn starboard is about \t vs space
 
@Zoidberg Didn't expect that you would think so
 
@Zoidberg Any hints on getting it installed? Trying the driver disk didn't help :)
 
44 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
WHO CARES ABOUT SPACES OR TABS.
 
user142019
BUT TABS ARE ONLY ONE BYTE IT SAVES COMPILATION TIME
 
12:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz no there's Zoidberg being a douche, too
 
user142019
@sehe open Boot Camp and follow the instructions. :L
 
ARgfhgh. Fuck password boxes that don't let me see the password I am typing.
Fuck them.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he's a teenager, we gotta take him easy
 
@Zoidberg FY
 
I can punch whoever is shoulder surfing me, thanks.
 
12:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz he's over 16 :P
 
user142019
@NikiC it looks beautiful.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's still teenager
 
Gimme the ability to see and fix my typos.
 
@Zoidberg It looks boxy
 
@BartekBanachewicz but it's above the age of consent
 
user142019
12:42 PM
Except for one single thing which is the + button in the messaging app which looks absolutely horrific.
 
user142019
@NikiC BOXXY <3
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can show these in all browsers
 
so my name is boxxy
 
user142019
@sehe go yaway?
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you wish so you would be awesome.
 
12:43 PM
Best thing in the world.
 
user142019
@sehe lol
 
I'm actually a Ratatat fan now, and it's all because of Boxxy.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit contended
 
user142019
She posted a new one a few days ago.
 
12:43 PM
@NikiC gist.github.com/rmartinho/4966779 Basically, bring in all syntaxes, and define delimiters for each.
 
@Zoidberg ooooooooooooooooooooooo whut??????????????????
@sehe okay your mom wasn't bad
 
user142019
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'll let her know. I'm not sure it matters to her anymore
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, but pageant does not :(
 
user142019
12:44 PM
@sehe what drivers did you have trouble with?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ssh key with forgotten password?
 
user142019
Maybe install new hardware which has drivers for Windows 8?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes very nice
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I just made a few typos. Password is a large bunch of prose.
 
@Zoidberg None. I have trouble with the installer
 
user142019
12:45 PM
lolwuthow
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yesterday git wasn't able to import my key, saying password is invalid. I had to convert it from Putty to OpenSSH format
 
@sehe Too easy to use?
 
2 hours ago, by sehe
> 'Windows cannot be installed to the selected location: Error 0x80300001. This computer's hardware may not support booting to this disk. Ensure that the disk's controller is enabled in the computer's bios menu'
 
Still, "Password invalid" was terrifying -.-
 
user142019
The installer is literally:
1. Click next.
2. Enter serial number.
3. Click next.
4. Click install now.
5. Format harddrive.
6. Click next.
7. ???
8. PROFIT!!!
 
12:46 PM
@NikiC I didn't pay enough, likely. Only € 100...
 
@sehe Syntax regions. Could be a custom syntax file, but I have it as a function because I only want it triggered on some folders.
 
user142019
@sehe oh. :L
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Great stuff. I forked the gust :)
 
user142019
 
user1357851
 
user142019
12:47 PM
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz But the important bit is that if I did not have a gimped text box for entering the password, I could actually fix it instead of just wondering what went wrong.
 
@Zoidberg Except, it doesn't support my primary SATA which is a brand clean Samsung SSD. I can force it to install, but then it doesn't boot. It's really not that complicated. It's just SADLY BROKEN
 
user142019
Stupid flaggers please get the fuck out if you don't like it here and never come back thank you.
 
user142019
Also Windows 8 finally has built-in support for mounting ISOs and has a PDF reader.
 
And typing that thing all over again from the start is really annoying.
 
user142019
12:48 PM
Y dat took so many years.
 
@sehe windows 8 is broken.
@Zoidberg i doubt they are better than tools for w7.
 
@Zoidberg Once upon a time they tried to have built-in support for web browsing. Look how that worked out for them.
 
user142019
lol
 
he's got the point
 
hahaha this never gets old
 
12:50 PM
OS with many features is like communism
 
always makes me giggle for some reason. watch to the end.
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it does look at the quality.
 
I want my own PDF reader, thank you
 
@Zoidberg Newsflash. A flagging feature exists. If you don't like it, you are welcome to leave.
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz Well install one problem solved.
 
user142019
12:51 PM
You don't have to use it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz buy Adobe.
 
user142019
Fuck Adobe.
 
@Zoidberg And we don't have to not use it, either.
 
user142019
Adobe Reader is terrible.
 
I am using chrome as PDF reader.
 
12:51 PM
@Zoidberg cough
 
@Zoidberg I think he was joking.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes On what grounds, counsellor?
 
I can see sarcasm tags. It's a userscript.
 
how do you read the Holy Standard without a PDF reader?
 
user142019
I'm gonna make a Metro app.
 
12:52 PM
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I am using chrome as PDF reader.
 
Who says I don't have a PDF reader?
 
Ell
@Zoidberg is so metro
 
Also, I don't have standard. I have n3485
 
user142019
@Ell wat
 
@Abyx How dare you defile the Holy Standard by not capitalizing Holy.
 
12:53 PM
I use SumatraPDF, btw.
 
user142019
The best thing about Windows is still that it has Paint.
 
@DeadMG yeah, thanks
 
@Zoidberg new paint is a decent editor, indeed
 
Ell
@Zoidberg metrosexual
 
Are there metrophobes?
 
user142019
12:54 PM
@Ell got any problems with that?
 
I have CS6, but for cropping screenshots paint is just right.
 
People afraid of the subway.
 
user142019
lol
 
Ell
@Zoidberg yes.
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes There are people who are afraid of getting pushed in front of a train there.
 
12:55 PM
Those anterotrainphobes.
 
user142019
Metro is great when using a trackpad because :huge buttons:.
 
user142019
If only scrolling would be as smooth as in OS X.
 
@DeadMG, have you unplonked me yet, by chance? I am implementing instancing (it's pretty much finished), and I'd like to verify my thinking again. Pretty please :)
 
user142019
lol
 
12:57 PM
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@DeadMG, have you unplonked me yet, by chance? I am implementing instancing (it's pretty much finished), and I'd like to verify my thinking again. Pretty please :)
 
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Q: Is there a way to view the built-in documentation in C++?

FiregunI just started to learn C++ this month. In python, I can view the documentation of a built-in function (for example, str.find) by useing help(str.find). However, I've no ideas about how to view the documentation of std::find in algorithm.h, for example. Does anyone have ideas about a quick wa...

 
Do you see quotes of plonked people?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes i think so.
 
Okay, when you have someone plonked, you probably don't want to just see their messages anyway, through a third-party...?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, builtin.
 
12:58 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's a courtesy of someone who forwards the apologies/messages
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes.
 
I admit that I went full retard yesterday.
 
Not as much as the cat.
 
14 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I'm retarded
12 hours ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
I'm retarded.
 
Well, the cat went full retard for an entire year, actually.
 
12:59 PM
heh
 
@BartekBanachewicz not very courteous. he's forcing someone who chose not to read your messages to read your messages
 

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