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19:00
@EtiennedeMartel 5K for me.
I'm not a very good criminal.
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Criminals are hardly ever good.
Robin Hood? :D
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Those who kill other criminals are somewhat good.
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Robin Hood is bad and he should feel bad.
@CatPlusPlus I have 15 years experience lecturing in Computer Science. I have my favourite lectures. That is the only time of my life when I know. Dude stand back, I know this shit.
19:02
it's impossible to get a stack trace in mingw-w64 right? With -O0
@doug65536 hmm?
@Collin lol
@doug65536 Why would it be impossible
I'm struggling with getting some kind of source level debugger to work with mingw-w64. I gave up on codeblocks and I'm near giving up on netbeans
... Wouldn't that be the time when it's most possible?
@doug65536 gdb
19:04
With -no- optomizations messing up your calls?
@CatPlusPlus because win64 code doesn't use a frame pointer, and mingw-w64 uses a cheesy setjump/longjmp stack unwind mechanism
GCC used sljl exceptions forever
have you stepped through sjlj code? the overhead is ridiculous
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The Lounge needs more crème brûlée.
19:06
I really don't care about that overhead
@Zoidberg That looks fucking delicious
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It is.
DWARF exceptions might be zero-cost but they can't pass through foreign stack frames
GCC 4.8 has new SEH-based mechanism
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DWARF Fortress
But that's not stable yet
19:08
@Zoidberg +1
@CatPlusPlus I'm looking forward to it. Every 2 seconds I have to "step out" of a setup and then a teardown of the context save for unwind
I don't think I've ever seen that, but then again I mostly debug segfaults not exceptions
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I don’t like exceptions.
it's about 2 whole screens of assembly code (1 screenful on function entry, one screenful on function exit.
-7
Q: slider dont work in jquery

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19:10
GDB should be capable of skipping through support code though
@CatPlusPlus agreed
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I prefer pattern matching and ADTs.
Are you sure it's loading symbols and source files properly?
yes, it can evaluate variables somehow and I can step at source level (somehow meaning it's mysterious that the debugger can find the local variables and not a stack trace)
Anyway you can use a build with DW2 exceptions, if you're sure you never throw across foreign frames
19:12
@CatPlusPlus thanks, I'll try. one of the -m options probably?
No, the exception model is hardwired into the compiler
@BartekBanachewicz That's hilarious. He includes jquery.js, but doesn't use a single $.-notation call anywhere.
You need a compiler built with DW2 exceptions
ah, a gcc "configured" with that type of EH?
@ShotgunNinja Presumably the slider uses it internally
Or whatever
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19:14
I crave crème brûlée.
Oh nevermind DW2 is not available for 64-bit code at all
@Zoidberg i'll give you $2 for it
My gcc gives compiler errors at jquery.js
@CatPlusPlus Well then the author can "presume" to add the backend of the slider into the question posting. Or, you know, actually write a question.
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@EindacorDS well where is my money.
19:14
You're stuck with SLJL
@CatPlusPlus ok, thought so. thanks for looking
@CaptainGiraffe I'm surprised it got that far, lol
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I still didn’t receive it and it’s been almost half a minute ago.
@Zoidberg in the normal drop-off spot
qt-project.org/wiki/MinGW-64-bit is a good summary of the GCC mess
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19:15
@EindacorDS My hand is empty.
@Zoidberg other hand
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Same thing.
@Zoidberg somebody stole it from you, not my problem. brûlée please.....
LOL @ RubenVB personal builds
Oh hey Qt 5.0.1
Maybe it actually compiles now
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19:16
@EindacorDS no, it doesn’t work that way.
@ShotgunNinja Yes they're very hilarious
I made a git project for a super-low overhead coroutine implementation.
2
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You give me $2 so I can eat crème brûlée.
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That was the contract.
@Zoidberg not the deal i originally intended, but i like your attitude
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19:17
Me too.
@CatPlusPlus I just find it funny that he's being mentioned by name on the official Qt project site.
@Zoidberg the money was fake anyway, that was monopoly money
.......that i printed myself!
It's one of the few available MinGW64 toolchain builds so why not
@CatPlusPlus We should care because?
19:19
@doug65536 So, your Task can be copied?
Is he gonna have a Wikipedia page when the maintainers of MinGW just decide to take his branch and give him full credit?
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Eww PascalCase in C++ libraries.
Actually, no, that's not even that impressive.
It's not a branch
@Zoidberg You Mean WindowsCase?
19:20
@EtiennedeMartel no, not sure what you mean exactly though. all the code is free for all uses yes
It's Pascal case
Find five faults! ideone.com/QwupV9 First to five gets a blender copy. (insertion sort implementation)
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C++ libraries use snake_case otherwise they look terrible and inconsistent.
@CatPlusPlus I know, I just see it a lot in Microsoft-oriented C++ code.
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Like I/O streams which have Init. inb4 :puke:.
19:21
@doug65536 I started skimming through your code and I found that Task does not disallow copy.
@EtiennedeMartel aha! good catch.
@CaptainGiraffe Out of bounds access
@CatPlusPlus Where?
Ell
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"rubenvb: different packages (host x target etc) can be confusing. no additional configuration needed when not cross-compiling." was that our rubenv?
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@CaptainGiraffe non-const reference parameter.
19:22
data[i + 1]
It's OOB on last element
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Return a new vector. Much better.
@Zoidberg has to be non-const
Oh or maybe not
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@CaptainGiraffe Inconsistent spacing around parentheses.
Anyway it's a sorting function, it should be std::sort(data.begin(), data.end())
19:24
@CatPlusPlus Unless I know N <= 20
@doug65536 Windows only <gasp/>?
So?
It should be std::sort anyway
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@CaptainGiraffe undescriptive function name.
@CatPlusPlus I have code, you say std:: I agree. I still have code with faults.
@sehe so far, yes. The only truely win32 part is how it gets and sets the stack range. The rest is just amd64 abi
19:25
@Zoidberg +1
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@CaptainGiraffe way too specialized.
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vector<int> wat.
@Ell Yeah, afaict
@Zoidberg no, that is the declaration, deal with it.
@CaptainGiraffe Blender is opensource, no?
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19:26
'@sehe it's ZERO system calls. the overhead is about 36 mov instructions plus a few other instructions
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@sehe he means Bender, of course.
@sehe Yes, but that should not be held against ME in any way
Gives the idiom "Free gifts" new, deeper, meaning
man
type systems are hard work
19:27
keyboards?
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@DeadMG design them well.
@ScottW "sign up NOW and get a free copy of git!" With full revision history! Authentic signed commits!
@Zoidberg Trying.
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Do or do not. There is no try.
@CaptainGiraffe I would require additional payment to take a copy of that shit blender from you
19:28
that's such a worthless thing to say
@sehe Full revision history -- or what's left after rebase did its evil deeds, anyway.
@ScottW Erm. "Authentic signed commits" - there's virtually no room for tampering there
@JerryCoffin ""Authentic signed commits""
Can anyone recommend me sane image loading library?
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Tomorrow is Valentine’s day. How wonderful. A day full of death and sorrow.
I just wanted to get some eyes on the code, please, nobody here did actually expect to get any monetary worthwhile did you?
19:29
@BartekBanachewicz @ThePhD wrote one, IIRC
@Zoidberg s/wonderful/pathetic
@CaptainGiraffe Of course not
@sehe thanks, I'd rather opt for code that works ;)
@BartekBanachewicz I think it does. I'm not vouching for 'sane' though
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Oh and my aunt and her daughter are celebrating their birthdays tomorrow. How fun.
19:30
Uh.
My image loading code is very specific to my engine.
@ThePhD Wokay. I said "don't vouch for sane" :)
@ThePhD which translated to simple english means Bad
But I have working, fast code for PNG, JPG, DDS, PCX, TGA, and... yeah I think that's it.
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Y u no TIFF and SVG and PDF.
@BartekBanachewicz Fantastic, actually. :D
TIFF is a piece of shit.
And no reasonable game uses it.
19:31
TIFF is meant for photography
not for textures
@ThePhD We are accustomed to your face =)
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I always use TIFF for everything.
@Zoidberg ? PDF is not an image format. I could imagine PS, but PDF?!
@ThePhD if the code is working only with some other code, it's bad
@Zoidberg Because you're a freak
19:31
@Zoidberg oh wow so hipster... NOT.
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@sehe most toolbar icons in OS X are in PDF format. :P
@sehe Yes, BEGIN IF that is an image format
@BartekBanachewicz Well, the loader itself - if I extract the middle of it - will do what you want it to.
Ell
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@ThePhD why is it specific to your engine? o.O
But there's no LoadPNG ( bigbytebuffer ).
19:32
@Zoidberg WUT
EPS, I can count
To be fair, most a lot of PDFs that get produced simply contain tons of image data encoded for printing.
@ThePhD that's lame then
@Ell Because I want it to load a Texture2D, not a byte* .
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, yes it is. :D
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@sehe vector graphics > they foresaw Retina Display I think. :P
19:32
@ThePhD it should have intermediate stage
It does have an intermediate stage.
@CaptainGiraffe Well, I omitted "E" because postscript is quickly way overblown to be considered 'image format'. That'd be 'scripting language'
But it's not in it's own function.
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The guidelines say PDF so everyone uses PDF.
@Zoidberg (e)ps and svg are vector graphics.
19:33
I have the Dijkstra paper "GOTO considered harmful"
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And Quartz is based on PDF model, so it maps well.
It looks like crap, but I can select text in it.
@Zoidberg "foresaw": you need to be clairvoyant to see the quality difference, then ?
@Zoidberg That's just a ... reason
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@sehe bitmaps look terrible and fuzzy on Retina Displays if they’re not the correct resolution.
@CaptainGiraffe ridiculous use of setjmp/longjmp <- makes 'goto' look great
19:34
I once tried to support TIFF and write the loader.
OH THAT's WHAT I FORGOT
I also have BMP support.
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That’s why you never ever want to browse the web on Retina Displays.
Yay BMP. ^-^
Oh, and PPM/PNM support too...
... Wow, I really did a lot of work on this thing.
... I can do Cur/Ico/Ani images too.
No GIF though. Because Fuck GIF.
@doug65536 Yes =) And the "considered harmful" made its way as the worst possible insult because of that original comment.
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@doug65536 lol
19:36
@TonyTheLion ROFLOLOLOL
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@TonyTheLion lol
@TonyTheLion ... Cooklevel?
I can't read a drop fo German but that code looks strange.
@ThePhD Well, gif is arguably one of the big web formats
19:37
@sehe It is, but there's no native perception of animation in GPUs.
So I'd have to unpack GIF into its raw, large, uncompressed format, for every frame.
@TonyTheLion I'm gonna make a VB GUI to retrace...
5.99 PetaByte? ._.
And then make one Texture2D in GPU memory for every frame.
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@TonyTheLion looks like a combination of CoffeeScript, Haskell and BASIC.
19:38
@doug65536 the goggles! they do nothink!
@Zoidberg it's utter fail.
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@TonyTheLion xD
@ThePhD bullshit. just call texSubImage2D
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Who the fuck is going to copy six petabytes of data.
Do you know about any blind guys coding?
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19:39
That’s 1000000000000000 bytes.
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@CaptainGiraffe I know a blind computer user but he is not a coder.
I have a blind student, he is doing extremely well.
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There is a question about it on Stack Overflow or Programmers, though, which is answered by a blind programmer.
@ThePhD GIFs don't need to be animated
19:40
@Zoidberg mind where?
@TonyTheLion lol:
@BartekBanachewicz That doesn't change that I'd need to A) allocate a giant GPU buffer to fit every single frame of the GIF, or B) allocate a chunk of system RAM to store the raw GIF frames, and then have to run-time update the texture every time the frame changes with a sub-image call.
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Fortunately there are very few heterosexual/bisexual women and homosexual/bisexual men in my class so nobody will bother me tomorrow on Valentine’s day.
> 1 of 1 people found this review helpful
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Oh how I hate February.
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19:41
It’s the worst month and it occurs each damn year.
@Zoidberg And it's only just underway
@ThePhD ohnoes omg gif is taking so much of my memory...
dude.
@sehe it's over in 2 weeks
@Zoidberg HEY! Be glad at least it isn't always as long drawn!
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@sehe lol
19:42
GPU memory is precious.
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Another reason why February sucks.
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It’s inconsistent like PHP.
Ell
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gifs are small :3
@ThePhD that's why 300$ laptops have 2GB of it
@Ell no, if uncompressed to R8G8B8A8
@Ell uncompressed animated gifs are not.
Ell
Ell
19:42
@BartekBanachewicz 2gb of gpu memory?
@Zoidberg Surely, you don't mean PHP has a correct implementation of Februari in it's calendar model?
@Ell well, yes? that's standard right now
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@sehe of course not.
Ell
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@BartekBanachewicz can I see an example of that?
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19:43
PHP is inconsistent with reality.
@BartekBanachewicz Show me a 300$ laptop with 2GB GPU mem
reality is inconsistent with PHP
@TonyTheLion "Al-Gebra" lol
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My gtx 560 ti only has 1GB of memory
Q: Advice for how to deal w/ php haters? @rasmus' A: When the graph looks like this people are going to take shots... http://t.co/G3UEbfCE
19:44
I found a new reason to prefer UTF16 in my code. Idiot coworkers don't treat it like ASCII.
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@sehe I don’t get it.
aw, I wanted to see what % of web apps are pure assembly language :(
@Zoidberg They mean "reality agrees with PHP". Sorta, kinda.
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@sehe PHP IS SO MUCH USED IT MUST BE GOOD
19:46
@BartekBanachewicz Never gonna be in that 300$ laptop
@sehe okay, $300 was a bit too low. Still, 1GB is everywhere, 2GBs are coming. RAM is cheap
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Teacher explained the basics of SQL today, and asked to the class if everybody understood it.
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I answered with “yes” and everybody LOL’d. xD
@Zoidberg You answered "yes" to "Did everybody understand it"? Lies! Perjury!
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You know what was meant. :v
19:49
nope.
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It’s well-known in my class and among teachers that I already know about everything.
I think #StackExchange wants me... I've ben seeing nothing but ads like http://static.adzerk.net/Advertisers/77fd157d529449e882c527eaadf49b94.png lately
LOL ^
@Zoidberg I think they think you're an idiot :P
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I think I’m an idiot.
Cool, I think I'm an idiot too :) Let's make a club
Ell
Ell
19:51
@Zoidberg I feel for you :P
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School uses SQL Server because MySQL has a crappy interface.
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School y u no PostgreSQL.
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I mean, it also has a crappy interface but much less crappy than MySQL.
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inb4 Microsoft pays them.
Does MySQL still have severely limited subquery capability? That might explain the use of postgresql
Ell
Ell
19:53
@Zoidberg interface? o.O
if I do [this, identifier] is identifier captured by value?
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@Ell yes you know, you need to interface with it.
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MySQL is very bad.
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Like all Oracle software.
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But even worse.
19:53
@DeadMG should be... why not?
Ell
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What interface does a database have? aren't they all SQL? I thought it was a standard?
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@Ell MySQL is a server. You need to communicate with it in some way (e.g. sockets).
@DeadMG You took some flak from the RAII statement on programmers. I suppose that is why they named it programmers, not coders.
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And yes, SQL, but that’s crappy everywhere.
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19:55
The only good part of LAMP is the L part. :P
used to it
I'm hungry but I don't have anything in my fridge that I want to eat.
First world problems
Ell
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@Zoidberg I just didn't know how interfaces differ if they are all SQL databases
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@TonyTheLion Put something in your fridge that you want to eat. Problem solved.
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Different SQL databases have different SQL support and syntax and semantics and whatnot.
19:56
@Zoidberg meh, that's hard.
@DeadMG Still it is paradigm:wisdom:sanity and they still question you. That makes me uneasy.
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@TonyTheLion NP-hard?
@Zoidberg Yes. NP hard problem.
Finding something to fap over is easier :P
@CaptainGiraffe As far as I can tell, Programmers is infested with Java-loving inheritance whores.
the vast majority of answers that involve not being an architecture astronaut or getting down to reality are leapt on
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(I don’t even know what the fuck P and NP mean.) XD
19:58
@Zoidberg polynomial and non-polynomial.
@DeadMG That is what I have gathered too.
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Yes what do those mean. :P
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I suck at mathematics.
I don't see any :(
19:59
I remember the monkey in the coat
@DeadMG To actually design anything meaningful in an inheritance hierarchy is way way beyond; but opinions.
way way beyond what?

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