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@Non-StopTimeTravel Far from every future proposal goes through there. Anyway, I just wanted to suggest it.
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Q: 4 Bytes Hex To Datetime

Anthor 38627834 - 28/1/2013 14hrs or 06hrs, min and sec 2d587834 - 28/1/2013 14hrs or 06hrs, min and sec eb577834 - 28/1/2013 14hrs or 06hrs, min and sec i have tried Unix Date http://dan.drydog.com/unixdatetime.html but also can't work,and i also tried reserve byte to convert everything

programmers learned to use shortcuts due to limitations of old computers
@DeadMG I far from care ;)
I did all that with C++11 and after the fact I feel like I basically just wasted my time
I really dislike people who tag things with
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@Non-StopTimeTravel oic, fair nuff then
07:00
So I'm taking a more hands-off approach to my involvement in C++ now
if I submit a proposal and it goes through, can I claim to be a co-author of the language?
@DeadMG No. No one can "author" the language. It is an international standard. A collaborative standard.
like any document, it is authored by the people who wrote it.
Indeed
@MarkGarcia Everybody who collaborates on it by definition co-authors it
Your favourite questions!
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Q: Kelvin to Fahrenheit C++ converter

JustinI'm having trouble writing a program that will convert Kelvin to Fahrenheit. When I'm trying to convert Kelvin to Fahrenheit, I get a random output every time. Would someone please help me correct the issue? Thank you! My first attempt: #include <iostream> //using std::cout; using names...

Debug my code please.
07:06
Homework?
I like how he commented out the sane using std::cout for using namespace std
well, at least we know what he tried?
wow that answer got -2 quick
was thinking that myself
07:09
Should be lower by now
SO is weak
It got deleted.
@DeadMG Yes. Unfortunately, that only demonstrates how the whole "what have you tried?" bluff (we don't care what you tried -- we want you to do your own debugging and that's the most passive aggressive mod-immune way to suggest it) fails when called out.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Hmm, I think I disagree. "What have you tried?" is definitely a required step, even if it's provably not enough on it's own.
Well, the issue with his code is that his formula is incorrect
@DeadMG Well, yeah.
@DeadMG But only insomuch as it's a required step in a much larger concept
07:11
indeed
In other words, there's something wrong with something.
Mine works fine -- with the proper formula of course.
float kelvinToF(float kelvin) {
    return ((kelvin*9)/5) - 459.67;
}

int main() {
    std::cout << kelvinToF(460);
}
My biggest issue is not really with "debug my code for me" questions existing. It's the knowledge that there are people out there who think that this is an okay way to go through life. :(
I want to heal them all
Sometimes I have to remind myself that just not everybody is interested in learning to forensically solve their problems themselves, and likely not everybody is capable.
Tools.
:)
Can I answer or will I be looked down upon?
07:15
@Rapptz Traditionally I shall look down upon you for propogating the notion that posting these questions is a useful thing to do.
some do, most don't I think
@Rapptz Just give some words of encouragement in your answer.
ah well, just to help.
@Rapptz Practically speaking, though, someone is going to and even if they didn't then nobody ever gets the fucking hint. So you might as well, before someone else does it.
I sometimes cross that line myself, with the caveat that some encouraging-and-disparaging final remark about doing some fucking debugging of your own will always be part of my answer
in Android People, 29 secs ago, by Non-Stop Time Travel
What the hell's going on in here? Stop flagging everything. It shows up across all of SO chat. Thanks.
^ FYI
when I think that our government can't possibly get any more stupid
07:17
oh god that room is horrible
it's like they took all the low-quality answerers and put them in one place
just look at that starboard! arghhhh!
@Rapptz Don't bother. It already has 3 close votes and will almost certainly get deleted after a while.
> A new version of the test taken by foreign nationals who wish to become UK citizens "focuses on values and principles at the heart of being British", the Home Office has said.
@DeadMG I'm honestly not sure what our values and principles are. Low-flying trousers? Greggs? Nigh-incomprehensible streams of vulgarity? Drinking. Museums. What else? I guess they wouldn't let me in.
yeah
(from my FB)
@Mysticial Well I did already -- not so much for the rep though.
07:19
so instead of useful things, like "how to get a job", they replaced it with irrelevant shit, like, "Random parts of history".
So if my answer gets deleted I wouldn't care.
even I couldn't answer the two questions the BBC quoted
@DeadMG It should absolutely be this way they're proposing.
I used this forumula: (K - 273.15) * 9/5 + 32 — Justin 35 secs ago
lol
Well, I guess I lost all hope now.
@DeadMG By comparison, learning Latin teaches you how to think and how to learn. Even though you'll never use it. The citizenship test isn't a test of how to queue up at the JobCentre and it should never be that
@DeadMG It's a test of being potentially a useful, interested and involved human being
07:20
random parts of history are not that.
they are a test of whether or not your brain can successfully imitate a database.
that has nothing to do with being British or not
Is it different than the US citizenship test?
Where the people who take the test know more about American history than actual Americans?
@DeadMG knowing Britain's history is.
@Non-StopTimeTravel No, it isn't.
@Rapptz Likely. Except if you grew up in the UK you're supposed to have done UK history at school. In theory.
British history prior to at least the Industrial Revolution is entirely irrelevant.
07:21
Yeah, same in the US. In theory.
and even between, say, 1750 and 1900, I'd put as immaterial.
@Rapptz Frankly it says more about the locals :P
and most certainly, if you wished to learn about British history, it should be about the most significant events.
@DeadMG Perhaps. Can't hurt. If you (you=not you) don't care about how the country came into being then you probably don't care much about why it is what it is now, and what it can be in future.
not "What is the name of Random Admiral who died in Random Battle X?"
or "What county is Stonehenge in?"
07:22
well I'll give you that, but that's a sample!
@Non-StopTimeTravel Uh, I'm doing the other eight sample questions now, and they're all like that.
you can't test all of knowledge ever, so you try to get someone to learn and whatnot, and test whether they've done that by extracting random samples from within that knowledge
I'm not saying it's the most effective approach. I'm just glad they have it rather than not.
@DeadMG I meant a sample (as in statistical) of the candidate's knowledge, not of the questions
eh
you're sampling irrelevance.
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Q: Tokenizing a string into a vector of strings

Will NasbyI can't use boost (as I've seen as a solution for a lot of tokenizing questions). First I place a typed command into a string. Command example: add (name, phone-number) int main() { string line; cin >> line; cout << "Reservations>>"; if(line[0] == 'a'){ } }...

07:24
VTC?
may as well grant citizenship to all those who can successfully identify their gender.
Some people can't.
That would be gender discrimination.
CS job interviews. What is the time complexity of this arbitrary messy recursive algorithm I just invented? "Who the fuck cares - this is useless code." "But I want to see how you think, and I want to prove that you understand it all fundamentally enough -- including all the facts/knowledge that you will use, in order to answer this question."
It's just the same thing.
it's not the same thing, because that would require some actual understanding and analysis of the algorithm in question.
lol CS interviews are pretty much the worst though
;_;
07:25
not just "Did you memorize the complexity from Wikipedia".
If /r/learnprogramming taught me anything is how awful interview questions are for CS.
@DeadMG Can't disagree with that
whereas this stuff
@DeadMG There must be a way somewhere to do this without it being too easy to just memorise facts
> What is the title given to the person who chairs the debates in the House of Commons?
07:26
@DeadMG Just saying the general notion I do agree with.
seriously
well, look
the notion of the test is completely and fundamentally flawed.
@DeadMG Well, if you never heard of the Commons and never looked at a page of information about it, then you'll fail that question and rightly so. That is the point.
@Non-StopTimeTravel My point is that failing it or not is irrelevant as to whether or not you would make a functional citizen.
I expect that most of the friends I grew up with could not pass this test.
ultimately
@DeadMG Fuck that. If you want to be a citizen in a country and you can't be bothered to research its basic governance, you can go right away. Obviously showing no interest in how things work.
nobody can even remotely define what it means to be British.
07:27
Why is "HOLY SHIT IT HURTS SO MUCH" pinned?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was wondering that :/
@Non-StopTimeTravel What about the 60% of the electorate who don't vote?
@Non-StopTimeTravel I hate governments, but I would be a good citizen :)
are they not good enough to be British citizens now?
@DeadMG And to me that is the problem!!
@DeadMG Frankly? No. They're not.
07:28
@Non-StopTimeTravel Oh i also dont vote :D
Apathy is shockingly rife here. Let's not make it worse.
the problem is, you're testing for a quality you can't define and don't enforce on prospective citizens born here.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Knowing basic governance is not at all the same as memorizing titles.
@DeadMG School is obligatory.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Random history is not.
07:29
@DeadMG The problem is that our schools don't teach what they should. The solution is not to take that mandate away from non-locals, but to fix it for locals.
you're right
instead of teaching this bullshit history, they should teach good financial management, for example.
instead of wasting their time on geography, they should focus more on computer skills and computer science.
to immigrants? lol
@DeadMG schools should be private , so they wouldnt suck :D
07:30
@NoSenseEtAl Are you being sarcastic?
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Schools should teach geography and history
@rapptz nope just libertarian
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They are both valuable subjects
about as valuable as the stuff that came out of my arse this morning
07:30
Where do you live?
I'm sure if you lived in the US you'd see how awful private sectors are for everyone.
Ell
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How will people learn about world war 2 and stuff like that otherwise?
history is valuable.
WW2 can be summarised as "Hitler was bad, don't be Hitler"
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I don't know what makes computer science automztiaclly more valuable than history
@Ell If it becomes relevant, then some history professor who actually likes that shit will bring it up.
Ell
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07:31
Obviously for a programmer, but not everyone is
@Ell Probably because our entire society and it's successful future depends on computer science.
@eli real history is not thought in schools... ppl get education from crappy biased sources and also Lincoln the Movie :P
I think spelling should be more emphasized.
whereas the subjects taught in school history are irrelevant and if everybody forgot it, nothing bad would happen at all.
The amount of spelling mistakes in the past few sentences alone are making me sad.
07:32
@CatPlusPlus Or "You can't beat US".
@DeadMG That's a different test. Not citizenship. That's going to school for learning about life, not about the UK.
"Teaching history" in public education equals "remember tonne of dates"
@Non-StopTimeTravel Living in the UK is about 99.99999% life, and 0.000001% UK, if that.
And names.
@DeadMG Which is a huge problem!
07:33
@DeadMG dont be like that - we need math also, physics, medicine chemistry... we can do without fag*y useless stuff though :D
@Non-StopTimeTravel You're right. If I was PM, I'd eliminate that 0.00001% right away.
@DeadMG We have no fucking identity left. I see no reason to go out of our way to make that worse.
lol fag*y
Which is especially ridiculous for ancient history
impressive censoring, I have to admit
07:33
fa**y used here in south park way
@Non-StopTimeTravel We don't need a national identity.
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I don't give a fuck about wars that happened 1000 years ago
that's nationalistic bullshit and the only thing it ever got us was two world wars.
@Rapptz *is, not are (and should really be "number", not "amount", since it's countable, not measured).
07:34
... right ...
yeah it's hard to learn things you can't care about
Dear Earthicans
the simple fact is that the 60 million people who live in the UK probably have jack shit in common.
that plus owning the whole world
@DeadMG war is in the human nature.... ignorin that can be dangerous :D
07:34
industry, development
and any concept of "national identity" we might have is fundamentally flawed.
our exports are pitiful because nobody has any damn pride
@JerryCoffin I said spelling, not grammar.
our exports are pitiful because our government is horrifically ineffective.
Also I argue upon your is vs are.
07:34
pride is irrelevant.
@DeadMG humans naturally bond in groups. why ignore it?
@Non-StopTimeTravel Because it's ineffective.
@Rapptz Closely enough related that it still makes you look foolish.
@DeadMG oh here we go. let's just blame the government for everything. that magical body of people who are not bound to us whatsoever
try bonding in a larger group than just the patch of land you were born on.
07:35
@DeadMG evolution says otherwise :D
@Rapptz The subject is "the number", which is singular.
@DeadMG the EU.
@Rapptz Then you're wrong: "amount" is singular.
Yes, we can elect new goverments, who are equally useless
They are so bound to us
@Non-StopTimeTravel That would be fine, but I prefer to identify myself as a part of my species, personally.
07:35
@JerryCoffin Fair enough.
I saw a sign at a service station once. "You're not stuck in traffic; you are traffic." The same goes for people blaming government. Everybody moans, everybody complains. But nobody ever does anything about it...
@DeadMG Canis lupus?
heh
It's easier to just blame this faceless body for everything we're not doing right.
I blame Java
07:36
well
@Non-StopTimeTravel I blame idiots :D
it's not faceless, it has a face, David Cameron
aka voters
and I enjoy throwing darts at it
@NoSenseEtAl Yeah, as DeadMG said, the 99.99999%
07:36
and secondly
I don't blame the government for inheriting a bad situation from Labour.
@DeadMG Yeh, because 4-8 years one man can shape the identity of an entire nation.
@Non-StopTimeTravel As I previously said, fuck national identity.
@Non-StopTimeTravel that is why republic >> democracy - it protects you from stupidity of the others :D
@DeadMG Makes me laugh when people elect presidents in the US thinking it can make more than a tiny difference. And when football managers get sacked after two games for losing both of them.
Few things are more annoying than getting an answer on your question that only shows the poster has no idea what the question is about.
07:37
People have bizarre expectations of such things
there will always be some amount of corruption. you can't stop it entirely
but I do blame them for making a whole bunch of bad decisions since then.
like the GCSE and A-level reforms, tuition fees
@R.MartinhoFernandes :stackoverflow:
this citizenship test
and FYI
@DeadMG At which level would you prefer to define groupness, then? Because you have to have it somewhere. Continents are too big, countries are also IMO too big, cities are largely ineffective, villages are pointless
07:38
I am a member of the Liberal Democrats, not that it's doing much good, and when they fix their fucking online system, I will be making some suggestions as to what they could do better.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Our species is one group.
@DeadMG join UKIP, trust me :D
heh
UKIP, man, they bother me.
Im serious :)
as non UK citizen
@DeadMG Excellent. Then you can take a politics degree and find out why said decisions were made and then use your brilliance to make difference ones whilst faced with the same options and problems.
I'm never sure whether to lump them in with the nutters like the BNP and EDL.
07:39
Join me and we will rule the Galaxy.
I can't believe how many times I put a template specialization in class scope :(
Nothing wrong with UKIP at all
People love to accuse them all of being racists
Then again, just mentioning that skin colour exists is racist nowadays, let alone acknowleding the existence of different communities and different cultures with different values
There's a politics degree?
I can't believe I went to English Language and Usage to see if my sentence was grammatically incorrect. :|
@Rapptz whether*
07:39
hmm
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm in
I never thought of UKIP as racists
merely not the sharpest tools in the shed.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Both are correct
@CatPlusPlus Nope.
@DeadMG Farage has a brain, just listen to him you might like him. I found it nice that there is a person with a brain talking in EU parl
07:40
Yup
@CatPlusPlus Only on the internet, where people accept diluted forms of the language.
@Non-StopTimeTravel source?
@CatPlusPlus And in some dictionaries, which have sold out to the same trend.
@Rapptz Me.
Right, you're using ~true language~
07:40
@NoSenseEtAl Well, he sure doesn't deal with that PCness, which I like.
Not valid.
@Rapptz It is.
@Rapptz I am your authority on English.
hey
Ahahahaha
Anyway.
07:41
no
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Q: With "amount" will you use singular or plural?

Aslan986I have a doubt about this grammatical question: "..large amount of data and the fact that IT will exponentially grow..." "..large amount of data and the fact that THEY will exponentially grow..." (the semantic is that the number of data will increase). Which of the two form is the correct o...

you're not the only native English speaker in this chat, y'know
> I can't believe I went to English Language and Usage to see if my sentence was grammatically incorrect
@DeadMG it is more than that ... for example ATM EU is in the business of kicking the can down the road when it comes to sovering debt :D , and he explains it nicely I mean Italy gave money to bail out Spain, and Italy is broke also... :D
"On the other hand, if my sentence wasn't, then I didn't go to ELU to see anything at all! Now guess which one happened!"
07:41
> might might collide collide collide collide collide collide collide with, or with, or with, or with, or with, or with,
Speaking of correct English...
@NoSenseEtAl It's true that the EU is, IMO, particularly beaurocratic and inefficient.
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
but, well, I think that UKIP is just blind to the truth.
The ~true~ English
@DeadMG Possibly. Which truth?
07:42
well
@DeadMG it is disconnected from the voters so they can be... imho state should be as local as possible except defense etc
we are irreversibly dependent on the outside world for trade.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Fuck you for making me google it.
the UK will never, ever be independent, ever again.
God damn it I'm still right.
07:43
pretending that we'll be independent if we throw a hissy fit and walk out is just deluding themselves.
simple fact is, if we leave the EU, we will still have to do a massive amount of business with Germany.
@DeadMG Yeah, probably.
@DeadMG UKIP is not against free trade, i remember farage even grilling somebody about being a flip on that
But a voice anywhere in that general direction is a useful thing to have
@DeadMG And Germans don't speak English. Fuckers.
@NoSenseEtAl Right, but you're not independent at all, because if the German politicians dislike you, you're still fucked.
07:44
That evil EU
Trying to get rid of borders and stuff
you don't save yourself from dependency on those evil other Europeans by exiting the EU.
People attribute extremes to political parties because the parties have to announce extremes to gain an identity and platform. But ultimately I doubt anyone in UKIP actually believes that they can do anything more than steer the debate, something which is quite worthwhile.
That's all conjecture, of course
hmm
well, I'm not saying that it's not a debate worth having
there you go then :P
EU in or out is certainly a complex topic with complex consequences.
07:45
@DeadMG oh please with the germans... you know why is the problem with greece now? Not because of the merkel but beause banksters loaned money to greece... and they get upset when their money is in danger :)
do you think Labour believes it can get everybody on identical salaries? no..
I just think that the necessary outcome is already determined.
@DeadMG so let's all just go home?
It doesn't work that way :)
yeah
@Non-StopTimeTravel yes, we all go home ... and join UKIP
07:45
we still have to give away way more powers to Brussels and become the United States of Europe.
individual lives are in flux and the same applies at the national level to an extent greater by orders of magnitude
societies are ridiculously, ridiculously, ridiculously, ridiculously, ridiculously, ridiculously, ridiculously, ridiculously complicated
would be nice if I could laugh at the Irish for being independent from the English, only for them to become the same nation as us right back again.
and double laugh at the Scottish :P
As a perfect analogy, if the economy was all strong and fierce, do you think we could just sit back and go "right, mission accomplished! Nothing more to do here!" No. Markets don't work that way. Opinion doesn't work that way. No human interaction works that way.
@DeadMG btw fun fact is that US was the richest country in the world when Federal government was minimal :D
@NoSenseEtAl The US is still the richest country in the world, and it's because they have the largest natural resources.
07:47
@DeadMG you may laugh at the Irish for any reason you like
@DeadMG it requires a definition of "richest"
@Non-StopTimeTravel True, there would still be 1billion things to do, but I think that's gotta be first.
@DeadMG not percapita
and IYAM, it's all about education
@DeadMG It's not a stable state. It's just a transient state on an ever-moving wave.
@DeadMG but you know also better example is Sweden, they were capitalist and richest in the world... now with a bit of socialism... and they are still good but growth is pathetic
07:48
(It = a healthy economy, high levels of trade)
This is why I don't like removing the accept rate:
@NoSenseEtAl But they have way higher standards for the average, and enjoy many social benefits that the US does not have.
@Mysticial This is why I don't like users <500 rep being able to ask questions.
they are simply far more efficient with their money.
@DeadMG Such as not being Americans.
07:49
@Mysticial is it really getting removed?
whereas the US
@DeadMG US is not capitalist country anymore - Dont trust M Moore :P
"Growth" is over-used as a metric; it applies usefully only in situations where growth recently became necessary. But that never works forever.
@bamboon yes
waste 10% of it's GDP right off for pathetic healthcare.
07:50
@bamboon It already got removed
oh, didn't notice.
@DeadMG also US is militaristic empire, and also like i said they arent capitalist, now in california rich pay >50% in taxes
@Rapptz Somehow, the accept "button"'s isn't that intuitive.
@Non-StopTimeTravel I can't say I agree with a 500 rep requirement for questions. 3 of my top 5 answers were on a question from a new user with no or little rep.
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Q: Let's stop displaying a user's accept rate

BartMy feature request (or anti-feature-request perhaps) is the following: Let's stop displaying a user's accept rate. For those of you who know "Fawlty Towers", the whole issue of a visible accept rate and our behavior towards it starts to feel like "Don't mention the war!". We generally seem to ...

07:50
@NoSenseEtAl Good, as they should do.
the US is, frankly, pathetically immature, in general.
@Mysticial I can't say I do either. But I agree with not doing it even less!
as soon as you want to do what might be necessary to achieve what's best for everyone, "WAAAAAH FREEDOM!!!".
@DeadMG the US is a typical teenager. always knows best!
Meh, I don't want users accepting crap answers just to get some stat higher.
best exemplified by gun control
07:51
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Q: Replace accept rate with citizenship level

Jeff AtwoodI see that accept rate has now been removed from display on questions. I think this not a great solution for reasons that waffles explained well. Take it away waffles! On one hand accept rate bothers me a lot, it is a one-dimensional metric that does not really give me enough information about...

Granted, I'm much less likely to answer a question from someone who is new or has 0% accept rate. But I will if I feel that the question is really good.
^ LOL. Speaking of!
@DeadMG I disagree, they earned the money they should pay a flat rate like everybody
@NoSenseEtAl No.
you have the wrong idea.
@DeadMG yes LO
07:52
they pay what has to be paid.
@DeadMG that is factually not correct or i misunderstand you
no more, like everyone else, but also no less.
@DeadMG Yeah they're kind of blinded by hyper-ideals that they don't even practically follow! A nice idea for a few villages in the 1600s, but not quite appropriate for a superpower in the 2000s.
@Mysticial One of your answers was from someone like that.
But the US has always been slow to adapt.
I mean, all their roadsigns and advertisements look like they were printed in the 20s.
07:52
@Rapptz Two were from completely new users. One was from someone with 1 prior question - no answers.
@Mysticial IME users that accept answers and users that post crap questions are almost disjoint groups.
And the treatment of women colleagues in some US firms we deal with is shocking. Just the level of casual sexism is atrocious
Don't get me wrong, I'm no equal opportunities stalwart and no feminist, and I'll banter along like anyone
I see this room is already bustling with activity.
I'm barely awake yet
07:53
hmm
But the way they talk to and about those women -- experts in their field -- is mind-boggling
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't answer crap questions anyway.
I'm a fair equal opportunities stalwart, not a feminist though.
At least not anymore.
07:54
@TonyTheLion You'll fall right back asleep, because they're talking politics
also
@CatPlusPlus oh man.
@Mysticial My point is that I don't need the accept rate to gauge whether a question is worth answering.
we should remove religious exemptions from discrimination laws.
@DeadMG me and pat condell agree :P
07:54
it's disgusting that the Church of England can still refuse gay bishops.
I disagree
if you have a job in the UK then you don't discriminate when you offer it, and that's that.
and in addition
I discriminate every day
it is called choice
if you offer a public service, such as marriage, then you offer it to the public, and if you don't like the gay public, then tough tomatoes.
if Tesco refused to serve gay customers, I'd be throwing their arses in jail.
I wouldnt
07:55
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do. The only time I'm willing to completely ignore the accept rate is if the question is good enough where it has the potential to go stellar.
their choice
you can stop buying there
no
gay people have the right to be treated equally.
by the state
not by me
anyone who would choose not to do that is a person who doesn't belong in modern society.
@DeadMG There is no god-given right to be a bishop.
07:56
because it forces me to do things
I've seen a blogpost from someone in my wonderful country, who argued that you shouldn't use word "marriage" for gay marriage, because it comes from Latin and some shit and means something else. ~TRUE LANGUAGE~
@Non-StopTimeTravel There is a state-given right to be treated equally.
@DeadMG I prefer to think of this rule as a victory for gays. They are now free to, instead of being ordained bishops, go and do something useful with their lives.
and I see no reason why religious groups should be given exemptions.
@DeadMG all ppl should have right to discriminate
07:57
Because their feelings~
aka make choice
@DeadMG You have to draw a line somewhere (I'm not saying right now that the line is there).
The myth that it is possible to treat everyone equally is oft amusing
@CatPlusPlus There was a similar discussion in Portugal around the time we passed laws to legalise it.
I'm not going to pretend that you can legislate 100% equality.
i mean it is stupid, if i dont want to date a liberal girl, or all liberal girls hate me for my libertarian views and my rants about C++ should state intervene and make them date me :P
07:58
but you should legislate what you can.
Non-unisex toilets are gender discrimination. What, I'm not allowed in the ladies', just because I have a dick?
Laws should be minimal
Otherwise they get ridiculous fast
@CatPlusPlus ++ :)
@CatPlusPlus I agree, but they also have to achieve the goals we want.
@DeadMG I think we could do with legislating less. To borrow from your earlier arguments, we have a shitton of law causing a convoluted mess and we should just stick with what we can actually enforce.
07:59
it's like code- there's no point being so minimal, it doesn't achieve the requirements.
Have a little constitution saying "don't kill people and stuff" and be done with it
ah, that's not going to happen
@Non-StopTimeTravel Like the 10 commandments without the worship bits?
@DeadMG And there's no point specifying that doubles must be 64 bits wide
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, more or less :)

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