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21:00
I mean there is eastl, but that's gpl and there is boost but well lol
@NolwennLeGuen No, but it's normal to cry on your bed because Prolog
@EtiennedeMartel have you tasted fries in Bruxelles, and their beers... mmmh
krieg they call it, with cherry and berry aroms
unique
@StephaneRolland I did taste some Belgian beer. But no fries.
@StephaneRolland The English-speaking statisticians will thank you for reminding us all of their biggest enemy.
If your enemies are belgian beers, then I can do nothing for you
21:01
@Nils Did you read that comment from Carmack?
kotaku doesn't load up (for me)
std::map<Identifier, std::shared_ptr<MyThing>>::const_iterator lol
@StephaneRolland I was referring to his sample size of 1 (though I don't care for beer either).
@JerryCoffin and you are from us ? or uk ?
@Nolwenn I was talking about trolling. nvm
21:03
@NolwennLeGuen Internet suce en Bretagne.
@StephaneRolland US.
@BartekBanachewicz what
@JerryCoffin You're weird.
@EtiennedeMartel mon université à jugé bon de dropper 50% des paquets
@NolwennLeGuen say what again -.-
21:04
Does anyone happen to know enough Java to know which things don't compare addresses when you use == and which do? Is it just primitive types that you can use == for?
@BartekBanachewicz what again
@NolwennLeGuen ... I dare you, I double dare you... Oh wait.
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know what "trolling" you are referring to, since it's my normal behavior, so link pls kthx
@NolwennLeGuen Ça me semble standard pour une université.
@EtiennedeMartel yes "The debate on STL is still ongoing here at Id, and gets a little spirited"
21:04
@EtiennedeMartel Yes...and?
Gonna fail the stupid AP Computer Science exam because they switched it to Java, I swear.
@JerryCoffin That's it.
@chris You understand that object variables are references right?
So is there an alternative to stl unless you want to write your own?
@Nils Why do you need an alternative?
21:05
@NolwennLeGuen I said "C# sucks" and tried to get the folks to speak reason. Nevermind.
@AndreiTita, Yes, it was just that you can compare some with == and others you can't.
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't even see your retarded post, where is it?
zch
zch
@chris == is reference equality for objects (and arrays) and equality for primitives
@BartekBanachewicz Oh you mean in the C# room? I'll show you how it's done
@BartekBanachewicz I like C#, but I'm glad to go on c++ programming
21:06
G
@EtiennedeMartel I guess the same (strings, containers, IO) could be done with less complications and faster
@zch, Just primitives? Ok, thanks.
Gosh, I hate c++
its for kidd0s
the LINQ syntax is fine
Maybe at the expense of flexibility, but most of the time you don't need this anyways.
21:06
@NolwennLeGuen That too. But I tried it here too. The point is, somebody took it seriously. I plinked you in it but you didn't even read it apparently
@Nils Define "complications".
And are you sure you can make it faster?
Template crap
At least C# has operator overloading over top of the comparing references semantics.
@EtiennedeMartel I thought that would be followed up with something equally non-obvious like "water is wet".
Why is that crap?
21:07
@BartekBanachewicz You don't receive notifications in rooms where you're not
water can be solid and gas too
@NolwennLeGuen you responded "What?" to that post.
@JerryCoffin Or "Eric Cantor looks like a rapist".
Very funny, @Patryk.
@BartekBanachewicz I responded "what" to "I was talking about trolling. nvm". I'm confus now
21:08
@Patryk Care to explain before we get the counter-troll out?
@EtiennedeMartel just look at any stl source code
@EtiennedeMartel am already in
@NolwennLeGuen nevermind.
warming things up
@BartekBanachewicz you really confused me now
well ok it also come with flexibility such as adding a custom allocator
21:09
Who let the trolls out? Who who who who?
which does not work in the case of boost::ipc lol
anyways I guess I need sleep
@Nils Why do you want to look at the code?
It just works.
@Nils You could certainly make iostreams faster -- but mostly by eliminating a lot of virtual functions that come from locales. I doubt that eliminating the obvious templating (char vs. wchar_t) would do much good.
@NolwennLeGuen It's something.
@JerryCoffin Then again, I don't really see why you would need iostreams in a game.
21:10
@EtiennedeMartel Other than (possibly) when debugging, I don't either.
@zch, Oh geez, why didn't I realize that == and a required new to make one are the same category?
I don't believe the guy fell for that. They will start suspecting something soon.
Just be careful not to write too long post, or your rep will show up
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, pretty much debugging. You'd never even use io-stream-like syntax to do text drawing either...
@JerryCoffin If it's for debug, then you don't really need performance.
Which reminds me.
I still have not drawn my text yet. =[
21:12
@Nils Most of the ugliness of STL source code comes from other things (compatibility with ancient compilers, immunity to nasty macros, etc.)
Btw, C# room chick is uglier than ours. Hell yea.
@BartekBanachewicz Who?
(And did you just hit on @Nolwenn?)
@BartekBanachewicz Why is this a feature of the room?
@EtiennedeMartel She's named Ellie, apparently
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, does it show? blushes
@ThePhD Why it isn't??!!
... All the trolls.
All the time.
21:13
@EtiennedeMartel Right -- I wasn' t saying games would really benefit a lot (or at all) from optimizing iostreams.
@JerryCoffin Except when it comes to file input / output.
@chris You can also use == for enums because they are guaranteed to be unique.
My streams are so boss for input / output.
I still have to run a few tests, though.
I have one RawFileStream that is implemented using C API functions.
Bartek and Nolwen sitting in a tree...
The other is implemented using filebuf.
21:14
DOING PROLOG
user142019
SOUNDS FUN
@Borgleader in a tree?
"I'll pro your logs."
21:14
@ThePhD Which most games almost never do, at least in ways that impact performance to any degree.
@EtiennedeMartel Is it balanced?
I think I'm gonna dye my hair pink
@JerryCoffin Loading times, mang. Loading times.
@NolwennLeGuen I support that.
21:15
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Q: Why is the code in most STL implementations so convoluted?

Matthieu N.The STL is a critical piece of the C++ world, most implementations derive from the initial efforts by Stepanov and Musser. My question is given the criticality of the code, and it being one of the primary sources for people to view examples of well written C++ for both awe and learning purposes:...

@NolwennLeGuen I’ve always wanted to try green but I’m too chicken to do it
@FredOverflow, Thanks. I don't want to get badly caught in these traps when I have to do Java soon. I'm trying to clear any uncertainties I have now so I can just do it as I would C++.
@KonradRudolph Ah yes, I remember you wanted to dye your chest hair too, right?
@NolwennLeGuen uh … the nonexistent one?
21:16
The very same.
It was hard to write. It should be hard to read. — JUST MY correct OPINION Nov 14 '10 at 23:00
@chris Do yourself a favor and buy "Effective Java". It contains everything you need to know.
> First comes love, / then comes marriage, / then comes baby / in a baby carriage!
This is so backwards.
@FredOverflow, Will do. It sucks not knowing any of the less-obvious niches. It takes time to learn them.
@KonradRudolph I had green hair once.
21:17
@EtiennedeMartel not exactly. let me rearrange: "first comes baby" "then comes marriage" "then comes divorce"
@BartekBanachewicz How did that work out for you?
@KonradRudolph "I could successfully hide in my lawn"
@KonradRudolph It was for a concert. I mean, I was playing, not listening. The dye was a bit... strong, I'd say. Took me looong to get it all off.
@NolwennLeGuen Assuming his lawn has any green in it.
Also, hi.
@FredOverflow, That book should also come in pretty handy if I have to use Java for something other than a course as well. The book seems to be very popular with people.
21:18
@R.MartinhoFernandes Assuming I have a lawn.
Boy, I'm tired.
Entertain me.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You don't say. Work is nothing compared to taking your GF shopping.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm entertaining the C# room with my dumbness
Your dumbness is boring.
I did let myself get talked into purple hair for Halloween once. Odd fact: apparently the standard dye to get hair bright colors is Kool-Aid mix, with just a little bit of water.
21:19
@chris I own it, and it is excellent. It really is the "Effective C++" of the Java world :)
@NolwennLeGuen prompting questions of “does the carpet match the drapes?”
@BartekBanachewicz I left work about five hours ago.
@NolwennLeGuen I still don't believe they still didn't get the joke.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well you're a giant hairy portuguese cocky robot (too far?)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was in mine for a good hour after you left.
21:20
@BartekBanachewicz Except when she’s awesome and as bored of shopping as you are ;)
(and yes, that’s me being smug)
@NolwennLeGuen Who was it who said marriage was the main cause of divorce?
@KonradRudolph She kind of is. Samsung had a booth with a bunch of new Notes 10.1 tho. She's an artist, so it was like "BUY ME ONE. NOW."
"Buy it yourself, bitch."?
@BartekBanachewicz Haha. Okay, that is nice
@BartekBanachewicz Good. Had she gone over the Apple booth, I'm afraid your GF would have been in fact, a faggot.
21:21
@NolwennLeGuen You mean, made of wood?
@NolwennLeGuen Nah, I'm doing the Apple part in our gayrriage.
@EtiennedeMartel The pope
@BartekBanachewicz "sucks to be you"
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds like George Carlin, except that it doesn’t for lack of expletives
@NolwennLeGuen I dunno, I can call all the people using samsung faggots. And since there's plenty of them...
@KonradRudolph Mr. Carlin was cool.
(I say "was" because he's dead now)
21:23
@EtiennedeMartel again??
@EtiennedeMartel I'd have guessed Ambrose Bierce.
@BartekBanachewicz shhhh
@JerryCoffin It probably is
@NolwennLeGuen I'll save it for your birthday or something.
"The ball and chain of marriage is so heavy, it takes two to carry it -- sometimes three."
21:24
I'll be long dead by then
@JerryCoffin Google tells me it's Oscar Wilde. But I doubt it.
Oh, that's nice. Java's form of substr takes a beginning and ending position. I'm looking forward to forgetting that.
I prefer Olivia Wilde ;)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tron’s son’s girlfriend
21:25
Oh. Of course.
WOO! Clang compiles my tree (including instantiation of most member functions) without warning or error! (Two compilers to go)
@chris Are there any other ways of taking the substring?
@chris what would you rather have? start position and length?
Sounds important.
@KonradRudolph That's a hell of a lot of apostrophes.
21:26
@MooingDuck Go clang!
user142019
OOP is a faggot.
Her real name is Olivia Jane Cockburn, though.
@KonradRudolph Wikipedia says she is the daughter of Leslie Cockburn.
@NolwennLeGuen "It's really hot in there, trust me."
@NolwennLeGuen Cockburn?
2
That must be quite the fun in the bedroom.
@NolwennLeGuen her birth name
@Borgleader he posted her photo without boobies. Stone him!
6
SFW environment also im at school
@MooingDuck yes, her real and only name because fuck male supremacy or something
21:27
It has been proved that boobies enhance productivity
I have the feeling @sbi is online. He's retweeting a bunch of stuff right now.
@Borgleader so you're at school - but that isn't the SWF environment you mean? huh?
@NolwennLeGuen It's a pity to have cocksucker cockburn as the one and only name.
@melak47 i'm saying i wouldn't google boobie pics at school
@NolwennLeGuen I can't speak about France, but in America, the woman has to fill out a TON of paperwork to change her last name to her husband's. It's a lot of work.
21:28
@NolwennLeGuen You feminist you.
@Borgleader that's a lame school then
@BartekBanachewicz It could be worse, you know. Olivia Jane Dicksmash.
I should have done those dishes in the weekend.
@MooingDuck huh? I thought that was kind of the default?
@MooingDuck I think here it's the default impl. Or it used to be.
21:29
@melak47 not in America. Almost everyone does it, but the legal default is that the woman's name does not change.
@Borgleader ETS or Poly?
@EtiennedeMartel Poly
That explains it.
oh sweet, and GCC compiles with only [-Weffc++] warnings!
@MooingDuck did not know that.
21:30
@melak47 Kind of, yeah. At least it would be easy to remember.
...and MSVC doesn't have is_copy_constructable?
@chris it could be worse. it could take the starting position as an offset from the end of the string, and the end position as offset from the beginning :p
@EtiennedeMartel You?
@Borgleader Used to be at Sherbrooke.
MSVC has __has_copy(type) but not is_copy_constructable >.<
21:32
@EtiennedeMartel Always remind me of Sherwood, lol
@EtiennedeMartel The only guy from there I met was all like "Best university ever, we fucking rock"
@MooingDuck But MSVC implements the entire standard library!
Or so they say.
@NolwennLeGuen That made not only me, but my 2 flatmates LOL.
@R.MartinhoFernandes so I thought too, but it's not there even in 2012.
@Borgleader Science faculty does. Engineering, not so much.
They can't even form a coherent line, damn it.
And they always feel the need to puke on our floor.
21:34
Ouch
Day 39: The people in C# room still didn't notice Cicada is a troll.
@EtiennedeMartel What you think they should have puked on your roof?
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah this is getting boring
@NolwennLeGuen They should have puked on their floor, not ours.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm pretty stunned, I was able to do it with the MSVC intrinsic in 4 very simple lines :(
@BartekBanachewicz haven't seen her around. she only trolling C# now? :p
21:36
@melak47 notsureifsrs.jpg
butprobablyis.avi.exe.bz2
@NolwennLeGuen That makes 2 of us
Oh FFS I responded to you accidentally in the other room.
@BartekBanachewicz C#icatroll
@BartekBanachewicz And wow, he still thinks I'm being serious. man either i'm that good either he's that dumb or both
in C#, 1 min ago, by Pheonixblade9
@NolwennLeGuen it generally means "the joke went over your head". Like you didn't understand it.
Meanwhile in the C# room.
in C#, 57 secs ago, by Oleg Orlov
Happy birthday me :)
21:38
@NolwennLeGuen wait, is that you? o.O
that room is sad
yea, we should go to PHP instead.
user142019
PHP is a nice language.
Said no one ever.
user142019
For extremely small values of "nice".
21:39
@Zoidberg You mean, negative?
@Borgleader Said no one with half a brain ever. FTFY
user142019
:D
Oh god, non transparent gif
@NolwennLeGuen how am I supposed to know, you changed both your avatar and your name :p
You can't trust the internet anymore nowadays
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21:40
… what the fuck am I even doing in the C# room?
@melak47 She went undercover under her real name
@KonradRudolph Losing braincells at an alarming rate?
.ZTL...
What kind fo file is that...
@Borgleader I do that here already, no need to head over there
@ThePhD apparently....a ZBrush file.
Somebody made a brush from slowpoke?
21:42
or something completely different :)
@melak47 like python. (unobvious joke)
@BartekBanachewicz not that unobvious :p
Cicada outed herself as a pokefag
i can't believe i had to mispell "peekachu" and "balbasar". sorry little guys ;_;
@NolwennLeGuen Was someone taking a peek a chu?
21:44
@NolwennLeGuen Pikachu and Bulbasaur?
To be fair, the French Pokémon names are absolutely horrendous.
Carapuce instead of Squirtle? CARAPUCE?
To be fair, it does require a lot of imagination to come up with these
@EtiennedeMartel it's a new toolbar.
Eh, someone flagged "PENIS" in the JS room.
What a bunch of prudes.
21:47
Oh. Ohhhhh.
so is Oleg like Nolwenn’s alter ego or a troll in his own right or plain weird?
@Borgleader, Typical IE.
@KonradRudolph he probably understood.
could be plain weird though. he's russian after all
Delicious toolbars.
21:49
@Mysticial I actually laid off SO for bit so it might be a while... \
@LuchianGrigore but you're still doing the "read ALL the transcripts" thing? :D
I don’t know how Cicada fools them, she gives herself away with her fancy vocabulary which doesn’t match the poor speling
@melak47 well, I get a notification when I'm pinged, so it doesn't count
@KonradRudolph Tits
@KonradRudolph this is only because you know me
otherwise you'd be as mesmerized as they are
> fancy vocabulary
you make me blush
21:51
@NolwennLeGuen “mesmerised” yeah
@KonradRudolph americunt spelling!
@KonradRudolph mesmerized, actually.
I know, because Google told me.
@NolwennLeGuen I read that as "you make me plush".
"i'm all stuffed"
wait no!
21:52
@EtiennedeMartel Go away Americafag
@Borgleader fuck yes homophobia
@NolwennLeGuen that's what she said
@Borgleader gay-hating faggots
@LuchianGrigore :facepalm:
21:54
@KonradRudolph He's canadian >.>
@AndreiTita I hate how memegenerator has these forced layouts now which often have placement/size of text that produce a different emphasis than what you want :/
@Borgleader America's a continent....
@Borgleader That’s American in my book
user142019
Damn I'm in the mood to play Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Or you know, Metroid Prime.
@melak47 This is literally the first time I've used it.
21:54
@NolwennLeGuen Since when is "marriage in an mmo" a frequently requested feature...
@Borgleader because humans
@KonradRudolph Soy Canadiense.
@EtiennedeMartel That’s still American
user142019
Time to download some NES emulator for Linux.
@EtiennedeMartel I'd like to take this opportunity to brag about the fact that I can speak spanish, too. Thank you.
21:57
@Zoidberg why not download a linux for NES, then download a NES emulator for linux on it :D
user142019
Oh cool Nestopia is in Arch Linux package repo.
user142019
Now I need a MP ROM. :L
@KonradRudolph That's racist! That's like saying all asians are chinese
@NolwennLeGuen "Speak" is a big word.
@Borgleader statistically speaking, they are
@EtiennedeMartel len = 5, how is that big? compared to your penis? yes in that case
21:58
@KonradRudolph Almost was. But not really.
@EtiennedeMartel I shall save this one for the next time you claim to not be Canadian.
(See how I dodged that trolling attempt?)
@Borgleader No, it’s the other way round
@EtiennedeMartel I don’t get it
@R.MartinhoFernandes Technically, I pay taxes to the Canadian government. And some of the public services I benefit from, such as post, are funded by the Canadian government.
And, juridically, I'm Canadian.
Culturally, I'm Québécois.
Nobody's perfect

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