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12:00
oh, ideone supports prolog
awesome
@NolwennLeGuen I was about to say something, but then markdown kicked in :p
We need to do drunk Mumble
markdowns
saddowns
@CatPlusPlus Would you actually speak when drunk?
12:02
nie
@CatPlusPlus is that like chinese whispers?
@NolwennLeGuen Go get me a shrubbery.
@melak47 lol! in france we call that arab phone XD
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well I want to :<
sbi
sbi
12:02
@thecoshman There's nothing general about that. I have yet to meet someone else as trollish as the insect.
Anyway, back to work now.
And I sent that message and chat gave me "unknown error occurred" back
SO chat is not webscale
@KonradRudolph most certainly:
Hear, hear is an expression used as a short, repeated form of hear him, hear him. It represents a listener's agreement with the point being made by a speaker. In recent usage it has often been re-analysed as here, here, although this is incorrect. It was originally an imperative for directing attention to speakers, and has since been used, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, as "the regular form of cheering in the House of Commons", with many purposes, depending on the intonation of its user. Its use in Parliament is linked to the fact that applause is normally (though not always)...
"here, here", lol, English speakers are so stupid.
I wonder if my initial estimate of "10 seconds per every slide" will hold :v
12:04
that's quite short
I've done 15 secs per slide once
it's tight
I hope it'll get longer, because I'm short of 30 seconds
but depends on what you have there
The video has to be ~3:00 and it's 2:27
Of course I have to record this fucking thing or fail the course
Is it a video, or slides?
12:05
@sbi women are twisted.
It's a video with slides
Slideo
I'm sure you can manage it.
i actually laughed
(It's slidecast with tiny screencasts inside)
@CatPlusPlus rolls eyes
12:06
@R.MartinhoFernandes I knew you'd like it
@CatPlusPlus so space out the slides to make it exactly 180 seconds :p
I just need a voicecast and it's complete
And it's utterly terrible
at my uni, we have to do presentations ourselves. no digital recording. and they're never just 3 minutes :p
at my uni we're busy sucking cock and learning prolog
12:08
@CatPlusPlus post it online after you've done it?
I will even make subtitles so you can laugh properly
Hi everybody!
@NolwennLeGuen Erm.
@NolwennLeGuen oh you've taken the puppies role :)
@Innuendo hi
@NolwennLeGuen We do it too, except for the cocksucking part.
12:09
@TonyTheLion I'm on the verge of following his path, sadly
@NolwennLeGuen :(
I have a question about default constructor in C++.
if I write
A::A(double a, double b): x(a), y(b) { /* .. */ }

Can I then make an instance of A only with second parameter passed?
Something like that: A(, 5) (but it doesn't work)
oops, sorry. Also in header file I've pointed default values
That is the worst innuendo I have seen in years.
.h
A( double a=0; double b=3);
;)
@Innuendo Are you trying to imply something
12:12
Ffff
Cat is hissing.
@Innuendo No
@Innuendo: AFAIK default values only work left to right
use Boost::Parameter
@CatPlusPlus 2bytes, with all bits set?
12:13
Boost.Parameter is scary
Especially for ctors
@Innuendo please note that you won't be able to initialize with passing just b
TIL Boost.Parameter has spiders.
@CatPlusPlus, @melak47 , ok, thnx
@NolwennLeGuen What does that smiley mean?
12:14
@R.MartinhoFernandes è_é
"I'm high"
@NolwennLeGuen ü_ü
@R.Martinho I've created additional subcases clearly showing that there's a bug. Waiting for dev team to respond right now. Pretty stressing, one might say.
@Innuendo You can use boost::parameter but apparently it's scary (never used it)
^_________^
12:15
@R.MartinhoFernandes é_è
@BartekBanachewicz Why the long face?
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's wide
@R.MartinhoFernandes To compensate
Why the Wide face
12:16
m(
Ok. Then, if I have a constructor, and I need to pass about 10 arguments.
But sometimes I need all 10, sometimes first 3, sometimes a few (first, fifth and sixth for example).
What's the best way to organize this?
Make a struct, keeping whole this configuration?
Make a better class
If you need to pass 10 arguments... make it so you don't need that.
@Innuendo Make a parameter class
make it a std::tuple instead :D
12:17
Or a builder
Or something
Actually design it first
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The worst part is that if you have ten parameters and only pass the first, fifth and sixth, you actually make the code less readable than if you passed all ten.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeap, I understand this
srsly do a builder / param class, if you absolutely can't get rid of some params
12:20
My class is object transform. I give to this transform: object position, orientation (3 angles), light angle (2 angles), camera distance, field of view, etc.

So, that's why I have lots of parameters.
I don't want to have different classes for rotation, position, camera handling... Task isn't so big, and one class is enough for it (may be my opinion is wrong).

So, good solution is to make a class witch keeps the configuration
@TonyTheLion Wait, we remove the keyboard so that we can find expensive ways of working around the lack of keyboard?
@Innuendo That's the point of a parameter class ;_;
@Innuendo "I don't want to have different classes for (...)" Why do you want to inflict this problem upon yourself?
@R.MartinhoFernandes hoomins
@TonyTheLion how the hell is that gonna work, unless the touch screen is pressure sensitive. else you won't get to feel the keys, because if you keep your hands on it, you'll be typing garbage?
12:21
@NolwennLeGuen, parameter class is the name of a pattern? I'll google it, thanks
@R.MartinhoFernandes good point.
~patterns~
@melak47 I have no idea.
@Innuendo The pattern is called "parameter object" IIRC
Just a class that holds values, really
@TonyTheLion wat
12:22
watch the video
@TonyTheLion I totally don't get the point of this shit btw
Just stop being silly and make classes for "rotation, position, camera handling..."
@NolwennLeGuen ever heard a phrase "tactile feedback"
@BartekBanachewicz Yes. Ever heard of "gesture typing"? This thing ruins it
@TonyTheLion: also...lame, the buttons are fixed. if you could create dynamic buttons where ever you wanted on the screen, it might be useful
12:24
Gesture typing is poor man's workaround for lack of real keyboard
@NolwennLeGuen ruins != is an alternative to
@Innuendo Btw. Object transforms are just matrices. So why not pass the different transforms as matrices?
@BartekBanachewicz Fortunately we already have that technology.
besides, gesture typing might work for japanese, not our letters
I use it daily
And it works very nicely
12:25
@melak47 Sounds like there's entire layer with that fluid
And I type in le french
@R.MartinhoFernandes i'll listen to your feedback ;) and separate my code
@CatPlusPlus yeah, but look at the video. the shapes of the buttons are still visible when they aren't turned on
Not saying it doesn't for you. But cat has got the point; no one was ever able to input text into computer faster than with a (good, mechanical) keyboard
I hate typing on a screen.
I prefer my keyboard as it is.
12:26
It's fluid not resetting completely
@NolwennLeGuen, I need a little plugin to a 3d-simulator... with existed API. I can't just pass rotation 3x3 or transformation 4x4 matrix to make a shift with rotation
@melak47 I believe they just take a moment to disappear
It's a prototype what do you expect
@Innuendo Use 4x4 matrices everywhere, 3x3 doesn't make sense
@BartekBanachewicz I hear scanners can read an entire page into a computer at a time :o
12:27
Well, I am not gonna use it anyway, because I prefer the glass feeling of iPad. For smaller tablets and phones it might be interesting though
@NolwennLeGuen, then I should write a wrapper under simulator API
And cameras are even faster than scanners, so what
@melak47 add "from the human brain" to my previous statement
> I prefer the glass feeling of iPad
> iPad
goodbye, my friend
@NolwennLeGuen she called me a friend *.*
12:28
How do you even type on that thing without a table?
She's being ironic
hth
With one hand?
With iBrows
eyebrowes
I've found good post about my problem stackoverflow.com/questions/4592352/…
12:29
@R.MartinhoFernandes umm, I think you had to see the photo of me, actually. I wouldn't believe myself that it's comfortable
@TonyTheLion thatsthejoke.jpg
@BartekBanachewicz Sure.
I tried it. It isn't.
@NolwennLeGuen I thought I'd clarify for those that didn't get it.
It's terribly unwieldy and it does feel like your thoughts are being pushed through a straw.
I don't like AMD either
12:30
@R.MartinhoFernandes If I'am in the Lounge after 00:00 CET, I'm usually typing on it. And it isn't much slower than this keyboard
Doesn't compare to my Blackwidow, though
@R.MartinhoFernandes For some people, a straw fits
@NolwennLeGuen I was expecting that reply :)
@BartekBanachewicz I can imagine. With 8 limbs, a spider can probably type fast as hell
bacon grows in the wild :P
i'm hungry
I RAN OUT OF COOKIES WHO LET THIS HAPPEN I DID AAAAAAH
i'll go buy some more
Bacon grows in the wild.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I knew that was coming.
@NolwennLeGuen now you're gonna get fat and sad and noone will like your jokes.
We should make a quest to bacon mountains
@BartekBanachewicz You should do one of those online typing tests and measure wpm on it.
12:35
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll do it in the evening, just remind me.
I'M DOING IT I'M RECORDING
By the way, did I mention that I actually started to like writing tests? I always thought that was boring, but it's really awesome!
Also my voice doesn't sound that bad
@CatPlusPlus please, I can live without info about your pathetic attempt to appear in the porn industry
12:37
lol
meow, meow, lambdas, meow, rvalue, meow meow, ranges and shit
@BartekBanachewicz did you just drown all his hopes and dreams? :P
@TonyTheLion Nah, I'll wait until I have a reason to go to Wrocław and say it in his face.
lol
Dec 17 '12 at 16:11, by Cat Plus Plus
I don't have any hopes and dreams
Actually, to Berlin it's only 23 kilometers more. And I believe it's two times as fast, since from border you can actually ride, not fight for survival on the pathetic piece of junk called road
12:41
I cannot pronounce "VirtualDub"
@BartekBanachewicz 23? Are you sure it's not actually 300?
@CatPlusPlus "virtual-dub". Hth.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't own a plane yet. I looked at fastest routes basing on gmaps
My tongue is making funny things in the middle of it
I found the NSFW part of Boost: boost::parameter::xxx
@CatPlusPlus /ˈvɜːtʃuəldʌb/
12:43
@CatPlusPlus say it as two words, maybe. Virtual. Dub.
Audio quality will suck, +20dB and me speaking too quietly and further volume boosting
But fuck it
Not like I'm getting paid for this
PLEASE don't use windows microphone boost.
Record it at +0 and reamp in Reaper or some other decent DAW (audacity isn't decent)
It's ~realtek hd microphone boost~
I really don't care enough to change things right now
I also can't pronounce FFmpeg
Something like "FFFfuckit" comes out
mpeg can be read as-is, I believe. /em-peg/
12:46
@CatPlusPlus of course you can't. you're a cat
Holy shit my audio length is actually coming close to my video length
mine is longer.
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Q: __int128 additions/substarctions

user1976992is there any other approach of using __int128 numbers but without classes? I implemented also a compressor/decompressor and want to test it with __int128 numbers. The main aim of these source files is to test the possibility to go below the Hutter Prize Limit of 15932968 of enwik8 file. Do you kn...

Substarcting is neat.
Good morning all. And heh, ponies.
Just asking for your input on the following question:
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Q: single expression helper for compile-time enforced constexpr function evaluation possible?

chico@cyberpunk_ is trying to achieve something and made some questions about it but all the chase boils down to this: Is it possible to build a tool to enforce compile-time evaluation of a constexpr function? int f(int i) {return i;} constexpr int g(int i) {return i;} int main() { f(at_compila...

How constructive is it in your guys eyes? I see a lot of words, but frankly, I'm not seeing much that's very constructive. But I'm looking for your guys input.
Seems like the guy is trying from the completely wrong point. Arguing whether compiler will or won't implement something is pointless.
12:54
2m38s
@casperOne Standard allows constexpr compile-time eval, but doesn't require it. And if standard doesn't have it, it's non-standard and should be treated as such: pretty much not constructive in terms of programming in general.
What I'm amazed about is that there is no background noise
Like, at all
@R.MartinhoFernandes SubSTARKting is what Tony Stark uses when he does science.
And that is with that +20dB
@casperOne That's the kind of question that I just steer clear of, because the OP is too misled for me be take the effort of convincing them of that. Whether it warrants closure or not I don't know, but I don't care either.
As the current single answer states, "there's no reason to want this". However, I can see people thinking they really want that, so the question may be useful even if only to tell them they don't need it.
13:07
@R.MartinhoFernandes Much appreciated. Thank you.
@BartekBanachewicz I already am fat and sad and noone likes my jokes
Also, you all just missed the golden opportunity of linking the Newbie Hints to a mod.
I pity you.
Hi guys I was trying to include some files in my project and I guess I did something terribly wrong, because I'm getting this now "error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'windows.h': No such file or directory". Does anyone know how I can re-include it?
@Alec your include directories are fucked up. IDE?
@Alec There exists an ancient technique which consists in dancing naked around your computer while sacrificing a chicken, in the hope that your includes will fix themselves.
@NolwennLeGuen I'll try that out, thanks!
@BartekBanachewicz I'm using VS2012.
13:11
Yw, always glad to help.
@Alec Project Properties -> VC++ Directories -> Include set to $(VCInstallDir)include;$(VCInstallDir)atlmfc\include;$(WindowsSdkDir)include;$(‌​FrameworkSDKDir)\include;
for those of you who use IDEs are there any that are smart enough to turn a class into a class template (ie move implementations into headers) as a part of refactoring? doing it by hand atm in vim left me wondering...
@kfmfe04 Visual Assist might be able to do that
I am still too lazy to install it, tho, so I'm not sure
besides a global rename, this is probably the refactoring that takes the most time for me
@BartekBanachewicz thx for the tip
that being said, there aren't any really good refactoring tools for C++... yet.
I'm going to write one someday.
It will be in Lua, and it will be awesome.
> lua
> awesome
find the redundancy
@NolwennLeGuen Some people here are still heretics.
had a class which uses CRTP that I needed to subclass

this implies that I need to turn the said-class into a template so I can propagate the concrete class up the hierarchy - not fun...
That's what happens when you vote Obama
Apparently I'm still doing something incredibly wrong.
13:17
Yup, there's black ink over your includes
@sbi indeed
@BartekBanachewicz one of the big pluses of clang is its open-architecture/hooks into its parse-tree: perhaps you can build your refactoring tool on top of that
hmm... not sure if this falls under tag four or tag five
@Alec lol, detours
Ohwell I gtg to school, will fix it later I suppose.
@abyx <3
13:22
@LuchianGrigore if i am working on Data Structures probably i know what debuggine mean ! — Asad Irfan 7 mins ago
Ahahahahahahah 3m02s
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@Alec if it's there and it's not working, we have a shitstorm. Get all build logs to verbose and dig into them.
@LuchianGrigore WTF debuggine
From now on, assume that I'm an expert, since I'm working on double-linked list.
Apprently Domagoj was on stackoverflow just yesterday... has recent activity
really want to establish contact with him
@thecoshman who is Domagoj?
What
@Domagoj
13:27
@BartekBanachewicz user who started project with us, he paid for a domain name, started working on a site, then left.
YOU ALIVE
I've tried such things before cat... though not recently
@thecoshman was that "kyrostat" thingy?
@BartekBanachewicz indeed
I thought it's dead.
13:29
It has been reduced down from the 15 or so people who all said they wanted to work on it to more or less just me an @melak47
@BartekBanachewicz It is. Don't tell that to the pirate.
@BartekBanachewicz Though now it finally compiles.
@R.MartinhoFernandes am I not still working on it?
@thecoshman You're trying to resurrect it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes actually, it was compiling a while a go, just my branch was broken... thanks to broken build scripts
13:36
I shouldn't post large images; everyone can see that I'm under 10k rep. What a shame
blah blah was compiling, blah blah except it was not blah blah.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes trying to carry on with it
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ the main branch, the one the matters, was got to a point of build and has been kept that way. Want me to start laying into Ogonek for you having not released it yet?
@thecoshman It compiles!
@BartekBanachewicz are you the graphic designer behind ffffound.com ?
@R.MartinhoFernandes so does kyrostat!!
13:39
@StephaneRolland What on earth made you think I'm a graphic designer?
@thecoshman (Also, you can expect it to progress very slowly this month)
@R.MartinhoFernandes and why's that?
@thecoshman he's lazy. lolololololo
your style :-)
@StephaneRolland Phew.
I'm a human.
13:40
@the style of FFFFound logo is drawn at the mouse
@thecoshman German classes. I leave home around 8 and am only back around 22.
@StephaneRolland aaaaaand?
¬_¬ I would link you to a 'see, look at how once it started to build it was never broken' but there's only been 5 pushes to the main branch...
and that's all
@StephaneRolland the fuck?
13:41
@thecoshman lolol
Also, ogonek is a one-man show.
@StephaneRolland Nah, I have no clue at drawing whatsoever. Tried it a few times, but my side of the brain seems totally dead, at least when converting mental pictures to paper/computer images. My GF is my counterpart in that area.
and, no offence, a damn site smaller in scope
@thecoshman I don't know how comparable (and how true) that is.
@thecoshman you both can hide your peepees now.
using GrandKid_2 = Child<GrandKid_2>; // doesn't compile
I'm sure that isn't meant to compile, right?
13:44
I still have a heck of a lot to implement before I make 1.0; and then... CLDR.
where Child is a template struct
I'll give you that yours is probably more worth while...
@TonyTheLion why what for should it compile?
though right now, I am just concerned with getting window abstraction worked out
@BartekBanachewicz what, using the alias you're defining in the alias? Endless recursion?
13:45
if/when that is resolved, I might think about starting something more games like
@TonyTheLion isn't that broken?
@TonyTheLion I believe you could have endless template recursion in C++03
Kyrostat was a good idea, for the first 5 mins of it's existence
@TonyTheLion Aliases are supposed to be exactly equivalent to their expansion. /cc @kfmfe04 (I think the conclusion is easy to draw)
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Q: How to use using with CRTP?

kfmfe04When creating types with no additional features, I try to use using, rather than subclassing or using typedef. I have a CRTP hierarchy where I am trying to propagate the concrete type up the tree. GrandKid seems to compile fine. Is there a way to get GrandKid_2 to work? CODE template<type...

from this question ^
@TonyTheLion too ambitious me thinks
@R.MartinhoFernandes and strictly speaking, I didn't have compilation issues, it was link issues :P
13:49
@thecoshman Doesn't really make a big difference :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes for the pedantic people, yes, a huge diference
I love how my testcase is called "advanced.invalid.tryEnable"
@sbi that album was ok, not my sort of thing though
Btw, I could use some help in writing an implementation of a vector with small buffer optimization; no Unicode knowledge required. Just saying.
@R.MartinhoFernandes small buffer?
13:52
@R.MartinhoFernandes I might be able to help...
@BartekBanachewicz You know, like the small string optimization?
write up what you need as a detailed task on bitbucket
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Q: small string optimization for vector?

BuschnicKI know several (all?) STL implementations implement a "small string" optimization where instead of storing the usual 3 pointers for begin, end and capacity a string will store the actual character data in the memory used for the pointers if sizeof(characters) <= sizeof(pointers). I am in a sit...

Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shouldn't that be possible with an allocator an the version 2 functions (propagate_on_copy etc)?
^ this? (ef you Xeo)
Xeo
Xeo
13:53
:3
Aaaaaa I recorded a plink
Why was plink recorded
hahaa lol @Cat @Cat @Cat
I'm not recording now scrub
@Xeo I don't think so, because the vector can allocate more than it needs and that may lead you to use large storage when small storage is enough.
huh... so portal 2 had magical portals to link parts of the map together during testing... allowing for impossible geometry... sounds like a fun idea to play with in a real game
13:58
My god, what a class design
That would be nice if Klass didn't depend on 50 other classes to compile. — Aleks G 17 mins ago
@CatPlusPlus yet another reason why that plink noise needs to burn in hell
Anas platyrhynchos
I'd rather have bwoo
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm, true.
sounds like a magic spell
13:58
It needs to be a vector that allocates very precisely.
Xeo
Xeo
Abuse std::string as a vector? :3
TWO MINUTES BEFORE DEADLINE
OWNED
@R.MartinhoFernandes you didn't answer if the Q I posted was what you wanted

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