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user142019
00:00
I was learning Objective-C back in the days. :L
@Zoidberg'-- You still bear the marks. People can easily see your trauma even without asking
user142019
My first programming experience was with Game Maker.
user142019
What a wonderful tool that was.
Somehow on-topic:
What you wanted: keyword arguments. What you got: yet another hash syntax. What everyone says you got: keyword arguments. Welcome to Ruby!
user142019
Ruby has 10000 different ways to do everything.
00:02
@NikiC It's difficult to call it prejudice when it's based on objective fact.
And they're all wrong :v
user142019
Three different kinds of lambdas all with multiple syntaxes. Two different kinds of exceptions. A dozen different syntaxes for hashtables.
user142019
It's terrible.
Nah. It isn't. Prejudice can be based on facts, easy as pie. How else would you think prejudice came about?
cool, we have three different lambdas?
Didn't know that ^^
00:03
@NikiC Ruby
user142019
Proc, lambda and blocks, and they all behave slightly different.
Reminds me of Perl
@sehe I see, missed the context
Well yes, there is no question of Ruby being terrible :P
user142019
Ah well, it isn't as terrible as Java.
@sehe Maybe this doesn't translate properly, but the very definition of prejudice in English is judging prior to the facts.
00:04
@DeadMG Based on other facts. Yes
@sehe No.
So you're using observation A (which may involve facts) to jump to conclusion B
8 hours ago, by DeadMG
at which point I decided that you were not worth talking to for a while
it can only be prejudice if you come to a conclusion without all the relevant facts
user142019
Oh hey look what I found. My old and terrible C++ documentation generator. i.sstatic.net/PsSTc.png
@DeadMG Right. I never disputed that
00:06
@sehe Right.
so in fact, prejudice is not based on the facts.
Github ate my blog :(
Ell
Ell
It's based on some facts though
It's an estimation of fact
Usually it's based on hearsay
@DeadMG Maybe that's just your prejudice about prejudice? :P
yes
I have a horrific prejudice against prejudice
user142019
@DeadMG I knew it
Ell
Ell
hoodies cover people's faces, therefore people who wear hoodies have their faces covered (fact). People who cover their faces might be trying to hide their faces because they are about To stab you (estimation of fact) (imho)
That's not estimation of fact, that's pure speculation
user142019
> People who cover their faces might be trying to hide their faces because they are about to stab you.
user142019
That is a fact.
00:10
@CatPlusPlus I'd rate personal experience and emotion before hearsay
user142019
It is a fact that they might be trying that.
Ell
Ell
Yeah true sorry
@sehe Emotion yes, but I don't think personal experience usually applies
user142019
lol :P
There is no "might" in standard logic :v
Ell
Ell
00:11
Well you naturaly take the worst case
user142019
Ah you might be right.
@CatPlusPlus But there is in statistics. brains aren't wired to execute standard logic
user142019
I always like the worst case, especially when made from pork.
user142019
That's a poo
user142019
00:14
No, that's a rookworst.
user142019
Nope.
user142019
Yummydish.
Ell
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Are women in burkas searched as thoroughly as a white western male in ordinary clothing at an airport?
user142019
I hope so.
user142019
00:16
Also
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What are you even doing on an airport in a burka where the duane need to see your face.
Searches on airports are theatre hth
user142019
In Portugal airport I said there was a laptop in my bag and they didn't mind. In Poland they said: "OPEN!"
user142019
I couldn't surpress my laughter. xD
user142019
Dat overly serious face and the way he said it were so hilarious. XD
Ell
Ell
00:20
The thing is though because of religious stuff I think they are allowed to nit be searched as well
It's positive discrimination :o
user142019
Then you can't fly. It ain't rocket science.
Ell
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I would Much rather be groped by a woman than a man, no fair :o
user142019
If they let people wearing burkas through in all cases every plane in the world would explode.
user142019
It would be terrorist heaven.
user142019
Wear burka -> bomb allowed.
00:22
@Ell That's discriminatory!
user142019
Women grope women and men grope men. At least that's how it's done in The Netherlands.
@Zoidberg'-- We were talking about the airport, not down town
user142019
Or well, I don't know how you call that in English.
pat down routine
user142019
That.
user142019
00:23
When used in a sexual context, groping is touching or fondling another person in a sexual way using the hands; it generally has a negative connotation, and is considered molestation in most societies. The term 'frotteurism' may be applied when a person rubs up against another person, typically using their sexual parts. Touching a consenting person's body during sexual activity, massage, or medical examination is not usually considered groping, though the term is sometimes used to include clumsy, selfish, or inappropriate sexual touching. Areas of the body most frequently groped inclu...
user142019
Heh, whoops.
"fouilleren" - so much more nice of course
user142019
No it's not nice. It's from French.
you couldn't see my tongue
it was pressing my cheek
user142019
Korean is the best language. It's logical, simple and has a decent alphabet.
user142019
00:26
What is Winter Bash? It's next to the Stack Exchange dropdown on Stack Overflow.
Ell
Ell
I need to learn my logical fallacies, I'm meeting up with 2 girls in a while to... Settle a dispute. It will be very interesting, esp. When they use what their gender calls "logic"
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user142019
How does that look on Stack Overflow?
user142019
Am I wearing a hat?
yes, you are
if one can call that a hat
user142019
00:28
Awesome.
rather someone put a candle in your face
@Ell Hint: being sexist won't help
@Zoidberg'-- Is that an airplane?
@Zoidberg'-- of course not. You're wearing a train compartment
00:31
@irrelephant bonus points for the screen name.
Ell
Ell
Chillax, it was a joke
@CatPlusPlus depends on the goal. He wants to learn his logical fallacies. That might be achieved by exercising them
Ooh hats
CAAAAN YOU FEEEEL THE SUNNSHIIINE
Sorry about that.
@Ell Are you single?
user142019
There is no sunshine; it's 1:33 AM.
00:33
I'm going to abuse the hat system by upvoting shitty questions to get a hat
Ell
Ell
Yea
@Ell Well, I really wonder why.
Ah, well, it's for having upvoted questions
Fuck it then
Ell
Ell
Haha I don't, but its not because I make sexist/racist/etc. Jokes
@Ell Actually, it probably has more to do with that than what you might think.
00:37
@Ell It depends if they're actually funny. Which are probably not as funny as you think it is.
All speculation. And I think you're all wrong. Let the guy be. Since when do you pick on one guy for making a crummy joke? It happens all the time here
user142019
I really don't care what kind of jokes people make.
@CatPlusPlus re: steam, my bad - I'd only created the account, not the profile. Created it now, still as je4d
Evening all
@sehe Because I'm a white knight.
user142019
@je4d Hello.
user142019
00:41
If somebody makes a joke and it's funny I appreciate it, whether it's racist or sexist or whatever or not.
I'm funny
@Zoidberg'-- well that makes perfect sense :-)
@je4d night!
user142019
@CatPlusPlus I disagree.
00:43
@Zoidberg'-- I have a feeling sehe is just trying to confuse me :P
user142019
I know the pain. He is always cryptic. :^)
Ell
Ell
@etienne do you think? Do you take notice of people making jokes about stereotypes?
@Ell Not that much.
user142019
If you take jokes serious you're a fool.
@Zoidberg'-- bigassmessage.com/283eb [possibly epilepsy warning]
00:45
When people are serious about it, though, I get angry.
user142019
@CatPlusPlus update your flash player if you want to be able to send and receive BIG-ASS MESSAGES
Ell
Ell
One particular area (e.g. racism) or predjudoce on the whole?
user142019
Opening Safari or installing Flash is too much effort.
@Zoidberg'-- The site needs the Flash Player to display text? Web design fail.
user142019
Well do I know. Maybe music or whatever.
00:46
@Zoidberg'-- There's no music in big-ass messages.
user142019
Ok.
@Zoidberg'-- I have no choice -- they keep getting elected.
user142019
user142019
Nice song.
@Ell Racism, homophobia, sexism...
Ell
Ell
00:49
Why do you get angry about it?
I know Its a bad thing, but people have lots of bad qualities
Or do you get angry about the other stuff too?
@Zoidberg'--: Argh! "The GEMA hates you and you shall not watch any music video."
user142019
Whether it's bad or not is subjective. I'd say "politically incorrect".
user142019
@Zeta fuck them.
user142019
Finntroll are much better live anyway. :P
@Ell Because I feel I have to do something.
user142019
00:52
Man.
user142019
I love this kind of music.
user142019
Also Alestorm, Korpiklaani, Eluveite, Sonata Arctica, Ensiferum and Equilibrium.
Ell
Ell
You mean, to solve the problem?
@Zoidberg'-- Well, thank you. Now I have an earworm of both "Keelhauled" and "Pine woods" and cannot watch those on YT :/
user142019
No problem.
00:56
@Zoidberg'-- I've heard of one of those at least..
user142019
Which one? Korpiklaani?
hums: Keelhaul that filthy phpkiddy send him down to the depths below...
@Zoidberg'-- sonata arctica
but i don't think I've listened to them for about 7 years
user142019
The song I still love the most is Segersång by Finntroll.
user142019
@je4d they're pretty good IMO. :^)
00:57
I used to be well into nightwish, I came accross SA and a couple of others via them
user142019
I have all of Nightwish' albums.
@Zoidberg'-- I have all of them until tarja left.. :(
user142019
I have met the singer of Korpiklaani when he was drunk as hell.
For some of these bands, I have to imagine that being drunk as hell isn't a rarity
user142019
heh :P
user142019
01:03
I cannot wait till tomorrow.
@Zoidberg'-- the nature of time doesn't leave you a whole lot of choice in the matter
user142019
I can use time dilation.
user142019
But in order to have that to have a reasonable effect I'll have to travel at almost the speed of light, far far away from Earth.
user142019
So I'll just sleep instead.
user142019
long long ago; // in a galaxy far far away
01:06
@Zoidberg'-- Wouldn't that make tomorrow come later? :-P
@Zoidberg'-- nah, the speed of light thing sounded far more interesting
go for that
user142019
@Insilico no. I would experience no differences, but time on earth will go faster.
user142019
So when I arrive I'll be many units of time later than you'd expect.
Just go near a black hole
@Zoidberg'-- what's happening tomorrow anyway?
01:07
@Zoidberg'-- Ah, so only you will travel near the speed of light.
user142019
@je4d I'm going to set up a testing environment for my kernel.
user142019
And then compile and boot it.
Good luck finding the energy needed to go at relativistic speeds.
@Zoidberg'-- You can't do that now?
user142019
@Insilico It's 2 AM and I have to go to school tomorrow.
user142019
I want to sleep well, not being horrified by my own C code.
01:09
@Zoidberg'-- Psh. School is inconsequential to real programmers.
(I kid, of course)
user142019
I'm a kid too.
@Zoidberg'-- Hint: "kid" is used as a verb here. :-P
user142019
In all seriousness, what kind of kernel are you trying to make?
user142019
A 32-bit kernel that does segmentation and paging and can spawn processes.
user142019
01:14
Nothing fascinating, really.
@Zoidberg'-- Do you plan to make it a microkernel, or a monolithic kernel, or a hybrid?
user142019
Do I know.
user142019
This isn't going to be a complete OS.
Haha don't make microkernels on your first try
Or hybrids
@Zoidberg'-- Well, what would you consider it to be at this point?
user142019
01:16
I don't know the differences, really.
It sounds like a monolithic kernel from the albeit tiny description you provided.
user142019
Probably monolithic.
Well, I guess with GRUB you could try module approach, but not worth it for the first time really
@Insilico What
In computing, the kernel is the main component of most computer operating systems; it is a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level. The kernel's responsibilities include managing the system's resources (the communication between hardware and software components). Usually, as a basic component of an operating system, a kernel can provide the lowest-level abstraction layer for the resources (especially processors and I/O devices) that application software must control to perform its function. It typically makes these facilities available to a...
3 mins ago, by Zoidberg'--
A 32-bit kernel that does segmentation and paging and can spawn processes.
There's nothing here that says anything about internal architecture
01:18
@CatPlusPlus I know nothing about OS dev, so what is it about microkernels that make them not suitable for a "first try" go?
You need IPC, executable loader and some kind of filesystem to even begin making it "micro"
user142019
Bye.
@CatPlusPlus So it's just that there's more infrastructure needed for microkernels to work?
@CatPlusPlus got the steam invite, ta
Yes
Also it's a specific philosophy of isolating parts of the system into tiny servers
Monolithic kernel is still osdev, but less fluff that's not really related to learning how OSes work
Besides, monolithic doesn't mean bad
(Similarly you shouldn't try to support more than one CPU/bitness with your first kernel)
Kernels are fun in any case, even though debugging is pain in the ass
01:24
Has StackExchange ever done this hat thing before?
@irrelephant Not on Stack Overflow.
Are they only on SO proper? I see no hats in this chatroom
I have a hat. I don't see it here.
Hats?!
01:41
Hats!
@MarkGarcia Did you "equip" it?
@EtiennedeMartel Yes. With pride.
I don't even see it on your profile.
I can see it on the question pages though.
My guess? It's entirely client side.
So other users can't see it.
01:45
Awwwwww!
Which kinda defeats the purpose, since the main reason people get virtual hats is to act as a penis extension.
Where do I get this hat..
@MarkGarcia I can see it on your SO profile
but not your chat profile
@Rapptz see "Winter Bash" in the top bar
Ahhhhh!!! My hair's burned! The candle burned my hair!!!
I don't see it.
Oh I blocked the winterba.sh javascript
01:57
Aaah, now I see it.
02:12
Mwahahaha HatOverflow!!!
lol i wont be able to get 2/3 of these hats
i dont answer questions nor do i write any
gg
yeah me too
I came for the rep (aka e-peen), I stayed for the Lounge.
@Borgleader Haha!
gravatars broke again
02:25
T-15hours until freedom
@Borgleader ?
Last exam tomorrow at 9h30, end at lunch
and then my semester is OVER
02:39
I love how shitty python CLI is..
years of using cd to change directory but not with Python CLI..
has anyone here used zxing for ios?
Noticed an increase in questions in meta.
@MarkGarcia These are not the hat questions you're looking at
Think I'm going to hate hats.
03:03
I earned the C++ badge
#gooddaytodie
i earned a hat. is it on?
hm no
apparently
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Equip it.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Can't see it no
oh, how does one do that?
On your SO profile.
click the number after "hats" below the helpful flags
Then equip your hat! Shingggg
03:07
huh, there's a red border around it?
it goes on and off when i click, that's all!
does the order of GCC compiler flags matter?
oh worked!
he he
@Rapptz not sure, but conceivably the latter flags trump the former?
Oh, we all have candles in our heads.
apparently only for -static
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Q: Does the sequence of the args matters when using gcc?

Kimgcc -o fig fig.c -I./include ./lib/libmylib.a -g gcc -g fig.c -o fig -I./include ./lib/libmylib.a gcc -g -o fig fig.c -I./include ./lib/libmylib.a It seems that the gcc accept different kinds of sequence. However, what is a not acceptable sequence? Does the sequence of arguments matters?

@MarkGarcia Not me.
03:12
@JerryCoffin No, you have a special hat because you're special
Next year: coats!
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Q: Is std::vector memory freed upon a clear?

Andrew S.Suppose I have a std::vector of structs. What happens to the memory if the vector is clear()'d? std::vector<myStruct> vecs; vecs.resize(10000); vecs.clear(); Will the memory be freed, or still attached to the vecs variable as a reusable buffer?

Damnit... probably one of the few questions I could actually have answered
@Borgleader Mother bragging to her neighbor about her toddler: "Look, he's running. He's going to be in the Olympics!" Neighbor who's getting sick of it: "He's drooling too. Maybe that's going to be the special Olympics."
@JerryCoffin Hahahaha xD
What is the windows equivalent of CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH?
03:16
@Rapptz INCLUDE
i think
if you're referring to visual c++
GCC
oh
i always just use CPATH
in Linux you can do CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH = path/here/ then export CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH
Oh
That makes sense
03:28
@Borgleader Well, I just had to change the cap to one more befitting my age and dignity. (In case that wasn't clear: I just changed it to a different one that's even more special).
Who gets the rep for the votes in a community wiki?
Just curious.
no one
@MarkGarcia Early in the history of SO, a user hacked into the system to get all the fractions of pennies community wiki points routed to his account (and the hack remains in place to this day). I have the name around here somewhere. Ah, here it is..Jon Skeet.
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@JerryCoffin Why didn't they get rid of it? For historical purposes?
03:41
@MarkGarcia They've tried, but every time they do, he has it back in before they finish removing it.
@JerryCoffin So it's somewhat a deadlock. Well, I'd better think of it as for historical purposes.
03:57
@MarkGarcia Think of it more as one of Jerry's silly jokes.
04:15
I AM BACK FROM DRAWING
And I still suck at it. :c
@ThePhD "I still suck at it". Hahahaha!!!
I need hats.
Just realized that a mustache is a hat.
@AustinHenley Just do reviews. You'll get a mustache hat.
Anyone know if Window's select() socket function is worthwhile? I heard I shouldn't bother
Linux's verson works well
04:32
@thecoshman, That dog gif brought back my memories of this one.
Happy holidays room btw
Hmm, that's interesting. I somehow got 6 upvotes in 15 views on a question. It's never been quite that concentrated before.
@RolandSams, You too, should be a good one when we realize the world isn't ending and we're all relieved just in time to panic-rush and buy gifts.
Damn:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13945360/illegal-else-without-matching-if-c/13945378#13945378
Yeh, still need a few gifts
He didn't find it funny.
04:38
@chris That is pretty impressive.
@MarkGarcia, I liked it.
@JerryCoffin, I guess every person who uses C::B finds it a good question and the ones who don't feel no need to research something they don't use.
Should I try the select() or should I just unblock my recv() function and loop over my sockets? I am a little perplexed
@chris I'm afraid I'm one of the ones who looked but didn't up-vote. To me, their seems to be one obvious answer: Don't use C::B.
@RolandSams If you're doing windows, WSAAsyncSelect is what Microsoft recommends (or recommended the last time I noticed, anyway). Polling is almost never a good answer though.
Thanks everyone. I want the memory to be freed - guaranteed. So I allocate the vector using new std:vector<myStruct>, then call delete when I'm done. Thus memory guaranteed to be freed. — Andrew S. 1 hour ago
@JerryCoffin After you suggest shrink_to_fit and swapping with temporary vector he comes to that solution!
@JerryCoffin, I know what you mean. I have my uses for it, and GCC has a fair bit more C++11 in it than MSVC, plus it's fully portable, so I can use the same compiler and settings and everything just as easily at school, whereas I can only develop with VS2012 on my laptop, or use VS2008 there.
@Praetorian, I was going to comment. Why not introduce a scope or something?
04:44
@chris Alf said just that
@JerryCoffin thanks for the reply.
@Praetorian, Ah, so he did. The question was a bit misleading. Everyone thought the OP wanted to free memory when shrinking the vector, not destroying it.
@Praetorian Oh well -- such is life sometimes. At least it's not quite as bad as some of what I see on SO. Sometimes I look and wonder how even simple programs work at all...
@JerryCoffin Hmm, I am using the console and don't have a window to notify. Select should work. Should I bother with it or just poll
@RolandSams select -- as I said, polling is almost never a good solution.
@chris I switch between g++ and VC++ fairly regularly myself. FWIW, I've set up an entry in the VS tools menu to compile the current file -- obviously not much use for major projects, but handy for things like testing bits and pieces for/from posts and such.
04:52
@JerryCoffin, I think I set a keyboard shortcut for that, but it didn't play nice if it wasn't in a project. Let me see.
Oh, in case it wasn't clear: that's compiling it with g++ (STL's MinGW).
Yeah, I think mine was one that was part of the project menu. I think I looked into setting GCC up with it once, but didn't come out with much. That's nice when I want the IDE, but the C++11 and familiarity of GCC. Of course, I still can't take it to school. It would be nice if I could take the express edition, but still, no :/
@JerryCoffin maybe for windows, but not in general. e.g., in 1984 or thereabouts we found that polling worked just fine for serial i/o, while interrupts introduced unacceptable overhead. this was however on a simple single-board computer.
@MarkGarcia - Apparently Gaming.SE had a hat event last year - hatdash.com
05:17
@chris And that dog gif reminded me of this panda one.
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Q: The if statement is always executed?

user1914650So when i try to go around the first if statement to continue the rest of the program, it always performs the first if statement, i was just wondering if what im doing with the else works or not. I have already tried including the rest of my code in the else statement but it that does not work ei...

two common mistakes in one.. yikes.
Hmm, select() only works for windows SOCKET objects. I want this to be standard sockets that are semi compatible with Linux :(
Blah, of course I rep capped the two days before hat thingy begins
Maybe I will just loop over my sockets with the recv() function. Select apperently sucks anyway
I want that king hat!
05:28
@Pubby So do it again!
@JerryCoffin thanks anyway
@JerryCoffin Easier said than done!
@Pubby Sometimes. For me, they clearly should have started 10 days ago or so (I rep-capped for 8 days straight). OTOH, it only took 4 answers and ~4 hours tonight.
@JerryCoffin you really are the king!
Err, I guess right now you're a jester
@Pubby I'm guessing @LuchianGrigore will be the first lounger to get it.
@Pubby Always the jester!
05:41
No one looks at my flags anymore :(
30 minutes of terror for me.
So what's this hat thing about?
It's TF2 StackExchange Edition
great...
Can I craft them?
with Upvote yes
05:56
I got a secret hat
wait so how are votes related to the hats?
Not like I'll be able to get any because I'll be disappearing for vacation in a week or so.
lots of them are very easy
post 5 comments or edit something
05:57
That sounds kinda stupid...
@Mysticial You probably already one, and can probably get half a dozen more in an hour or two if you do anything but chat.
Congratulations!

This was only a test, designed to make sure you were paying attention. The post has already been removed, but if it hadn't your response would have helped to ensure that it was. Thanks!
ok.. Is that the audit thing?
I have L'chaim already.
same here

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