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OMG, the creator of JavaScript!
Kill him while the time travel is on!
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Personally, I think he is a genius. Can you create a language like JavaScript in 10 days?
I mean, he managed to do something real (that admittedly kind of sucks) in 10 days, while we have been hanging out in the lounge for years, doing nothing but template masturbation.
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@FredOverflow Depends. Is the time travel still on?
@FredOverflow Hey.
Robots don't have feelings, so I can't hurt yours ;)
For starters, I have been here for one year and some months, so it's still not year*s* :P
15:04
@FredOverflow I've been to toilet befor
You guys are all haters.
@EtiennedeMartel Zut alors!
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Ok, so I am still fighting with making a stream that uses a static buffer. Can anyone tell me why this doesn't do what I expect it to. (Before you ask: I expect it to output just what outputting to std::cout would output.)
@Neil they have have started to layout the balloon :D
15:09
@FredOverflow Years ago, I wrote a Lisp interpreter in around that long. I'm going from memory here, but it seems like it was about a week to write the interpreter itself, and another four days or so for a GC. On one hand, it was definitely slow and I implemented (roughly) an existing language, not a brand new one. On the other hand, it wasn't Javascript. I'd say that points me ahead on points.
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Unfortunately, I still don't have a locale compiler/debugger here to dig into this.
@sbi would questioning it's sexuality be a suitable answer?
@sbi wtf?
I wrote a BASIC dialect interpreter for embedded devices some years ago
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@thecoshman While the admins now will have to grant me installation powers, they don't have to do it today, do they?
I wrote a new C-without-pointers-like language in three days for a school project.
(That included a compiler to some bytecode and an interpreter for said bytecode)
'Twas in Haskell, btw.
15:12
@sbi I thought you where just wanting better tools, I didn't realise you where being held up by no tools!
@thecoshman I admit I haven't been watching with 100% attention
@thecoshman He's being held up by a couple of tools if you ask me ;)
Yeah, writing a language is easy these days, what with all those parser generators and shit. It's making it actually usable in real world scenarios that's hard.
@jornak witty indeed
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@thecoshman I have an editor and compiler to write, compile programs for the devices I am supposed to write software for.
15:13
@EtiennedeMartel this
@EtiennedeMartel I used no parser generators.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but you're a robot. You are a parser generator. Us humans, OTOH...
No, Haskell is just awesome for parsing.
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Well, anyone willing to tell me what's wrong with ideone.com/mamth?
> What I can't understand, is why anyone looking for Search Engine Optimization wouldn't just Google "Search Engine Optimization"!? Clearly if you can get to the top results for that, you're good at what you do and have no need to send spam to drum up business. Anyone else is just crappy in comparison. So next time someone tries to sell you SEO, ask them where they rank when you search Google for "Search Engine Optimization". If its not on the first page, they obviously suck at what they do!"
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@sbi basic_streambuf.
15:14
@sbi Sorry, I'm still reading up (again) on what the xputn and friends things are.
@sbi it's beyond me, at least with out having to look up IO Rivers
Those names are the worstest.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, I did this while going to work today.
@EtiennedeMartel Uh?
@EtiennedeMartel Where's that from? It's epic.
@sbi Nice corrupt picture you have there.
@sbi I don't have that one. (not sure if I should put a happy or sad smiley here)
15:16
@EtiennedeMartel Some how reminds me of the old line about: "Psychic needed. Qualified person knows where to apply."
@sbi ¬_¬ did you edit that photo, or have dodgy phone?
@sbi Obviously TDWTF
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@jornak I suppose uploading it from a running train wrecked it. /cc @thecoshman
print 'hello' Why the FUCK does Python 3.3 claim invalid syntax on this line????
honestly? I can see nothing wrong with it???
@sbi ¬_¬ likely story
15:17
@sbi It's a comment on today's TDWTF.
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@TonyTheLion That you can see nothing wrong is one of the problems in a language that considers whitespace important. BTDT.
@TonyTheLion Need parens around it in 3.3, no?
@TonyTheLion print is now a function.
print('hello')
@sbi are you basically just providing overflow protection?
15:18
@TonyTheLion You need parens now I think
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@thecoshman Yes. We're talking log messages here. If they get truncated, then that's Ok.
why dafuq did they change that?
@TonyTheLion What made you pick up Python?
I need to write some scripts
to do some stuff
@sbi so do you not need to overload operator<<?
because homogeneity
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@thecoshman That's a buffer. Formatting is done by std::ostream.
oh, you are making your own buffer object to pass into a stream object
any way
heading home!
take care ya'll
15:23
@TonyTheLion These are the same guys that got rid of being able to differ between long and short ints, as well
How lovely "I finally understood what you want to do. So I'm going home and let the other guys help you"
;)
"If a short can't handle it, instead of showing you wtf is wrong with your code with an overflow, we'll just make it a long all the time
Coddle their users instead of teaching them how to program properly.
how PHP of them
@R.MartinhoFernandes Python only has an "Integer" type that doesn't overflow, and just switches to a long if needed. Yet in the C API they still need to define the difference.
15:26
And I don't see a problem with that.
FTR, C has many integer types and none of them overflows.
what would you call the number after the decimal point?
how would I take any number and get just the bit thats after the decimal?
I'm sure there's an easy way I'm overlooking.
no, there isn't
Actually, I only know one language with actual integer overflows: C#. And it doesn't happen everywhere, it's enabled on a case-by-case basis.
you're thinking "decimal" as in base 10, but the number is stored in floating-point
or bigdecimal or some other encoding
it's not that simple
@TonyTheLion x - floor(x)?
15:28
robot
to put adverts on my website?
I wouldn't, but don't let me stop you.
@DeadMG ow, it seems you expect some visitors there
@Abyx ow indeed
@jornak So, basically, I am still missing your point about overflows.
uhm... one per week?
I think I get more than one per week
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bad practice to not define between long/short
but don't actually know
@jornak Bad because?
@DeadMG Google Analytics?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because I grew up in an era where it mattered :P
15:31
Right.
The important part is that you trade one set of bugs for another, so there's no strict advantage.
@R.MartinhoFernandes So's your face.
Guys
poll
who knows about MESI cache coherence ?
What does MESI stand for?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Not that anyone else has been helpful either.
The MESI protocol (known also as Illinois protocol due to its development at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign) is a widely used cache coherency and memory coherence protocol. It is the most common protocol which supports write-back cache. Its use in personal computers became widespread with the introduction of Intel's Pentium processor to "support the more efficient write-back cache in addition to the write-through cache previously used by the Intel 486 processor". States Every cache line is marked with one of the four following states (coded in two additional bits): ;M...
15:36
Oh look, Jimmy's begging for money again
@jornak not on my end
MEh, I don't care about the ugly. I want the code review stuffs.
> There's a chance of one in five that you experienced some time travel in the past half hour. This should be fixed now, but a few messages may have been lost (but most people wouldn't have seen your message anyway). Sorry about that. See Meta Stack Overflow for details.
^ Woot
15:37
Btw, @Etienne, you know this site? cpp.developpez.com/actu/48367/… They linked to my blog.
@FredOverflow Some FreeBSD guy posted a trivia about that, stating that anyone not knowing this stuff was basically a piece of shit. So I wondered.
@kbok I have never heard of it in my life. But then, I don't find caches particularly interesting, so...
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a source of good quality (for a French site).
That's where I learned to program.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's one of the largest French developer sites. Probably the largest.
However, it's mostly a bunch of blogs, which means the quality varies greatly. There are a few good C++ programmers though.
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15:41
Um. Which VS 2012 Express version do I need for C++? This doesn't seem promising.
The Desktop one, I think.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, just saw that. Thanks.
@kbok Actually, I like the new "Overview" page on repos.
It puts the readme on screen first instead of the latest commits.
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Ugh. An ISO file. God knows whether I can deal with that on this machine...
At least they have a decent connection here. 5MB/sec doesn't seem bad. :)
Well, you can install any of the usual ISO handling stuffs now, right?
15:46
> Why are there two different rules? [...] It turns out that, when you're older, and can handle the truth [...] you will find out that there is actually only one set of rules for all of these things. [...] It turns out that's the truth. And it also turns out, in my experience, the truth is not useful.
^ Scott Meyer about universal references :)
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, that might explain the slight spike in visitors yesterday.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. And it seems I have to. I might just burn it.
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@FredOverflow I liked his talking about "T is T-ref" and "T is just T"
Reason why I use "T is U-ref" and "T is just U" now. :)
I'm only 20 minutes in so far.
@sbi Win7 can burn ISOs out-of-the-box. But I have a feeling you're not running Win7.
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15:48
@FredOverflow At one seminar, he said "What I said this morning was the truth, and nothing but the truth — but it wasn't all the truth. This you will get now. Or so I say..."
@R.MartinhoFernandes XP here. :(
@sbi You do realize that XP has had three successors by now, right? :)
@sbi You probably want this one.
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Also, I'd much rather mount it virtually. But whether I have the right to install such a tool...
@JerryCoffin Yeah, already downloaded. Thanks
@FredOverflow I do. But this IT department...
right
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left
15:50
Dammit. I was going to say that.
@sbi Oops -- sorry, didn't quite catch up to where the robot already told you that.
so in theory the next update I make to my website will be tracked by Google Analytics
@sbi Well, at my current teaching job, they use Visual Studio 2005 on Windows XP, so I should probably shut up now :)
@FredOverflow Turbo C on DOS 3.3 is really the only way to go!
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@JerryCoffin You laugh. I remember teaching C++ using BCC5.5 at the command line. Back then, this was a decent compiler. Also, it was free.
15:52
@DeadMG then you can post flatline graphs so we can laugh at you!
;)
lol
(It's not like I'm much better, but I'll laugh anyway)
Flatline - reddit - flatline :)
hmm
I have a public folder called "Reqirumenets"
That name doesn't meet the requirements, I'd say.
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because I'm just godlike
15:54
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, blogs will usually look like that :) Always flat, with a few big spikes
so
you wanted me to upload more of my tutorials?
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@DeadMG That would be the god of misspeelings, then?
nideeynd
Ok, that's way past my mental auto-correct.
indeedy
15:57
@NikiC Hmm, yeah, makes sense.
@sbi I remember buying a Watcom C++ compiler for 100 Deutsche Mark :)
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@R.MartinhoFernandes And it's not just you, humans also failed.
@sbi I laugh at doing it today, yes. But I can laugh because I remember it so clearly...
@FredOverflow suppresses joke
Please, go ahead!
15:58
suppresses reason for supressing joke for the same reason the joke was supressed
My mind is a pretzel now.
oh by the way
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would eat your mind. Like this guy.
I looked into embedding liveworkspace or ideone, but apparently neither of them currently support such
16:01
:5696355 Btw, where's your follow-up post about patents?
@EtiennedeMartel Mind flayers are the awesomest. The players in my games tremble at the mere suggestion of them.
@DeadMG For code snippets?
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, you're a DM? Can you try not looking like the archetypal nerd?
Well, there's gists, there's that common syntaxhighlighter JS thingy.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I probably need to write that soon. Thanks for the reminder.
@EtiennedeMartel Erm. Well.
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16:03
Well, it seems VS2012 doesn't install on WinXP. :( Let me see if I can dig out VS2010...
@sbi Indeed, it's Win7 only.
You could have asked and I would have told you "what, you're still on XP?"
@EtiennedeMartel Basically, a few years back we wanted to try some tabletop RPGing, and for no reason whatsoever everyone look at me when the question about who would GM arose.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I can get syntax highlighting from somewhere.
but not interactive live
So I got stuck with that job for some time.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, you're obviously a very cruel person.
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16:04
14 mins ago, by sbi
@FredOverflow I do. But this IT department...
Buying books on amazon. Is "paperback" the term for "book that doesn't look like shit" ?
@EtiennedeMartel :( I'm not! Sometimes they complain I'm too lenient and should be less forgiving.
@kbok What does it mean "look like shit"?
Hardbacks are bigger and have thick covers.
Paperbacks are smaller and have thin frail covers.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You mean hardcover ?
Same thing, yeah.
Ok, thanks. So by "look like shit" I mean "paperback".
16:07
A paperback (also known as softback or softcover) is a type of book characterized by a thick paper or paperboard cover, and often held together with glue rather than stitches or staples. In contrast, hardcover or hardback books are bound with cardboard covered with cloth; although more expensive, hardbacks are more durable. Inexpensive books bound in paper have existed since at least the 19th century in such forms as pamphlets, yellowbacks, dime novels and airport novels. Most modern paperbacks are either "mass-market paperbacks" or "trade paperbacks". Paperback editions of books are is...
Paperjack.
I mean they are like, disposable
They're also much cheaper.
I usually go with paperbacks for anything that's not a reference book, because I'm going to be done with it quite quickly.
@RichardJ.RossIII precisely. I presume the C refers to the code you can witness in add_object (and nb_elements in general). This is not typical C code. The fact that you can ssee a class keyword doesn't make it 'C++' to me — sehe 10 secs ago
@EtiennedeMartel It's for a novel, so I want it to be nice and last long.
16:09
@kbok I don't know about you, but if a novel is good, I usually go through it in a week.
by the way
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Damn, that installer needs to restart...
If this continues, I'll end up tonight as miffed as I was last night.
isn't there that dude with the free copy of the Standard he shares to everyone?
Just treat them well. I have very well preserved paperbacks. whistles
@DeadMG Me?
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, but if it's good, I'm going to read it again and maybe a third or a fourth time.
16:10
yes
what's the link?
It's on my profile.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me too. They're all packed in boxes that I didn't unpack since I moved in my new appartment 3 months ago.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That links to a github thingy, not a "Click here to view Standard" thing
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@sbi, shouldn't it be std::min(epptr() - pptr(), num_chars)?
oh well
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16:12
Because otherwise you put 512 chars into your buffer on the first write..
Just google the filename
I downloaded N3376
@DeadMG dl.dropbox.com/u/13779444/c%2B%2B-std.pdf (the link text is "relatively up-to-date build")
cheers
What's the benefit over N3376?
16:12
Less typos.
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@FredOverflow Editorial fixes
@DeadMG Of course the link following "the sources at ..." links to the sources.
:P
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@sbi yep, std::min it is: ideone.com/SXmTb
The ape is going to be mad happy.
Oh hey bitbucket has new UI
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16:18
Oh, and it seems std::streamsize is a different type than what epptr() - pptr() yields, since I get an ambiguity error in VS2010 :)
@CatPlusPlus And inline commenting on diffs.
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@Xeo Isn't this what I have?
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You have std::max
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@Xeo Oh damn! I was looking at the arguments...
Thanks! It's always something that seemingly is so simple...
16:25
Statistically speaking, I have more chance of talking to a Moose than socializing with a human being around here.
ie where I live
@EtiennedeMartel Are you old enough to understand a massive amount of nerdy 80s references?
@TonyTheLion Really? Where the fuck are you?
If so:
Ready Player One is a science fiction novel by Ernest Cline. The book was published by Random House on August 16, 2011. The audiobook is narrated by Wil Wheaton. In 2012, the book received an Alex Award from the Young Adult Library Services Association division of the American Library Association and won the 2012 Prometheus Award . Warner Bros. bought the rights to the film in June 2010. Plot summary The year is 2044 and the world is in near-ruins. The Great Recession has taken its toll on the world's economy, and resources are scarce. The Internet and gaming culture have evolved into...
"The audiobook is narrated by Wil Wheaton." Now you know it HAS to be good.
@R.MartinhoFernandes in the middle of nowhere
16:30
heheh
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@jornak [no onebox for you] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
NICE!
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Sounds like a good book. Why did I not come across that one before?
oh anime
anybody heard of this: www1.webplatform.org ?
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@Xeo, you're a star! Should we meet again before you head westward, your next Coke is on me.
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16:36
lol
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If you want, I can turn this into an SO question and accept your answer, @Xeo. (IIRC, you're still fond of gaining rep.)
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I am indeed, but that would just be cheap, since it's a "debug my code" question. :P
robot
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puppy
I uploaded the rest of the preparation tutorials
this is taking way longer than I wanted it to
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16:40
@Xeo The thing is, up to 15mins ago, that was all I could do, because I could not debug!
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Heh
@DeadMG my profile links to the draft (as of yesterday)
@MooingDuck I think that N3376 is latest enough for me
my profile links to nothing
@DeadMG lol, why?
16:41
@TonyTheLion Meh.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mostly, I'm just adding links, reformatting the content, figuring out what went where and such things.
gonna start deleting the original source now
@DeadMG But it has typos! ;P
Oh, right, you have that crap in HTML.
Which reminds me, I need to install pandoc on this disk.
@TonyTheLion It's the rage all over HN
wtf happend to bitbucket
@kbok what's it about anyways?
16:44
@TonyTheLion Reference for web developers.
@TonyTheLion It's like MDC
ah right
sounds boring
Maybe Google will fake its PageRank so it always ranks above w3schools.
woot, it's even faster now
@bamboon It's much nicer overall, I think.
16:45
@R.MartinhoFernandes definitely very much
all I need now is a better avatar
wonder how liveworkspace pays their server costs
When you all you have is Multi-Directional Impact Generator (ie hammer) everything looks like a nail.
With money.
cough
lol
I mean, I wonder how they earn said money
16:47
Yeah, really.
Server hosting is not that expensive.
It's not like they are Google or something.
"infantry handheld energy-powered illumination device"?
Meh, it would be funnier if they didn't just drop random nonsense into it.
Everything that needs power is energy-powered.
well, I'd alter that to "Everything is energy-powered."
unless you're walking on an 0K floor
16:51
But the heating is not part of its function (assuming its function is to prevent you from falling).
really? I wouldn't want to walk across a zero kelvin floor.
500 Mb download in 20 mins?
slow
meh
@R.MartinhoFernandes But it couldn't realistically perform that function if it was not heated.
we trapped the dog in my room so she doesn't mess with the builders
but she's really not happy in closed spaces
keeps whining at the door :(
is it closed spaces, or spaces without you in them?
16:54
closed spaces
she really needs room to run around
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@DeadMG I don't know of any dog that's happy with that.
@Xeo Old dogs.
I ate ur spam
nom nom
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hi all
points @hey to the rules link to the right
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16:57
oh come on
hey
hey
can somebody, please, help
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in artificial neuron networks, how do you arrange the hidden layer?
@hey can't answer your question, because you haven't shown us the file or file path?
Line 3: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '(' token
hey
hey
16:58
i am going insane
does the file exist?
deeeerp.
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which nodes connect to which and why?
Wait, you asked that on the C# room?
hey
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what file?
they told me to go there
16:58
Good evening!
hey
hey
and does it really matter?
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@hey Nah, try the PHP room
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yes
the file you're trying to open
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They know better about this stuff than we.
16:59
Yes, it matters.
this is the Lounge, for lounging, not the helpdesk for helping
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@TonyTheLion What file?
It is a sign of help vampirism.
Boy, long time since I've been in the lounge :/
@hey why it gives me that i cant open the file?
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Oh hey Drise
dat file ^
And we don't like help vampires.
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Tony, just let him burn
16:59
They suck.
hey
hey
It is just one sentence
I got so caught up in everything. Forgot about you guys for a bit.

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