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10:00
@TonyTheLion Of course I'd gain little from yelling across the floor now. OTOH, I there's now a ticket logged against IT to grant me installation rights on my box.
@sbi oh good. Hope you get your installation rights soon
cause I wouldn't want to meet a grumpy ape IRL.
:P
@sbi Of couse they're bullies: they have to justify their ridiculous salaries somehow. If they stop developers doing stuff, it can be seen that they're doing something apart from sitting around all day watching server/router statistics.
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@sbi You're accidentally words a lot when you're mad, huh?
they probably keep a statistic of how many people they bullied on a given day.
10:03
@Xeo I'm missing the point. I'd say it should work, as it appears to do on gcc. The only thing I can think of (this always gives me doubts) is how 'empty packs' are overloading. In fact, I had the following overloads earlier:
template <typename T> static std::vector<T> vec_matrix(T v, size_t n) {
    return { n, std::move(v) };
}
template <typename T, typename... Dim> static auto vec_matrix(T v, size_t n, size_t m, Dim... other)
    -> std::vector<decltype(vec_matrix(v, m, other...))> {
    return { n, vec_matrix(v, m, other...) };
}
^ But I edited and saw that it worked exactly the same (again, at least with gcc)
@Xeo care to share your thoughts? (/cc @LucDanton) ^^
the acronym XML makes me angry
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@sehe According to standard, an overload with Head and Head, Tail... is actually ambiguous (no matter how many elements Head is actually made of). The same is true for partial specializations
I hate that word
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However, the intent was that the overload / specialization without the pack should be more specialized
which is what all compilers implement
@TonyTheLion You can bet on it. Literally bet on it, like on horses/dogs - they run a book:)
10:05
@Xeo The intent of what ? the standard formulation, I suppose
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Else std::common_type as required by the standard wouldn't work. :) It's specified as template<class A, class B, class... Tail> struct common_type; and template<class A, class B> struct common_type<A,B>;
@sehe Of the committee
However, that is not the actual problem here.
@Xeo So, okay, my 'existential' doubts about that empty pack are correct then? Does the version shown above have the same problem, or does the extra explicit 'capturing' of the first element of the tail make it unambiguous?
@Xeo The actual problem... is c++? (SCNR)
@TonyTheLion sbi pissed off evens, sbi asks for transfer 3/1, sbi resigns 9/2, sbi fired 10/1.
@TonyTheLion what word?
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The problem lies with the fact that at the decltype point of the second overload, the compiler only knows that the first one exist (the second one is actually not declared yet). Can be fixed by putting both as statics in a class.
10:09
@Xeo Hehe. That's funny. I had that before. Would declaring them before defining them work?
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How do you declare the second overload without referring to itself? :)
(I moved the functions out of the class, since I reckoned it had a more general applicability than this person's MyClass type :))
@Xeo Good point. How does making them static members solve anything, then?
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All members of a class are declared at any point.
something like that
Gonna cross-check your code with Clang though, just to be sure.
@Xeo So that is the difference in standardese, but in practice most compilers will happily eat my namespace-scoped functions just the same?
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GCC will, not sure about Clang (I remember having this problem before)
10:12
-- by the way, this is thrilling; I'm learning stuff here that will never be found in books. Even if it is in books it will be too implicit too pick it up (I remember seeing a phrase or two in C++TTCG that warns about visible overloads at template definition time) --
@Xeo Cool. I will turn it around. The extra 'sensing' size_t m param doesn't make a difference then, but it helps to move into class scope. Right?
aw fuckcackes I'm flying to Linz tomorrow
you're not excited?
nervous
@DeadMG the nerves. I can feel them jittering from across the channel
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@sehe Yes.
10:15
@DeadMG about the travel or the work?
well, you may have observed that I'm hardly what you would call, organized
hell, I frequently miss trains
@Xeo Sweet. Thanks a bunch for taking the time to explain all this to me. /cc @LucDanton too
so flying is definitely nerve-wracking
leave early
@DeadMG That's usually a good thing. Trains tend to win, regardless of the size of your weight problem
@TonyTheLion Duh
10:16
It's not hard, just don't be a lazy ass... or, your screwed
make sure you have at least an hour or more at airport
you rather wait a bit at the airport than have to run for your plane
@Xeo Yeah that was the problem of the declaration not being visible -- was that covered?
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@LucDanton Yes, although my out-dated build of Clang 3.1 SVN compiles it just fine.
Do you have a newer version available?
@TonyTheLion My parents advised 2.5 hours
for a long haul flight (cross continent) you'd take that much time, but for just an EU flight, I think 1hr or 1.5hrs is more than enough time at the airport
check in online
beforehand
saves you time
10:20
@DeadMG ..depends. Do you still have checked luggage? If not, you just bypass check-in queues/bag-drop and go straight to security check.
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@TonyTheLion There's never enough time.
@Xeo Not right now.
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At the crucial moment, everything breakes down. :P
@MartinJames You still have to check in, afaik.
@Xeo for a newbie traveller I guess the more time the better, but I'm talking from my perspective here, and I've done quite a bit of travelling
10:21
oh, yeah, I checked in online
@TonyTheLion He hasn't any choice - Ryanair. You have to check-in online and print your boarding pass, else £££ and possibilty refused boarding if too late.
does that mean that I just go straight through security without finding the check-in desk?
I never used Ryan, cause shitty
@DeadMG yes. If you don't have luggage to give them.
10:23
@DeadMG If no bags to check, yes. Ryanair simple - never take checked bags, always check in online, ALWAYS print out boarding pass and make sure it's legible, (esp barcode). Then go to Stansted, walk straight past check-in/bag-drop and head straight for the security check.
@DeadMG I think some might still want you to go to the ceck in desk so they know you are there...
and if you print out your boarding pass for the return flight, do it on a separate page. The rip up the pass as you go through, so if your return is on the back of it, they will rip it up
PS. I have slightly edited the code to be more standards-compliant. There is a subtle issue with templates and trailing-return-type that refers to an overload of the same name. For a nice breakdown of the issue here, see this discussion bookmark in chatsehe 2 mins ago
:)
@DeadMG based on how shit you sound at getting places, best camp out the night befor
@thecoshman There is often a checkpoint with a barcode-scanner - much quicker than a 'real' check-in desk. Also, of course, a check at the gate. Ryanair don't care if some items of self-loading cargo do not arrive on time at the gate - they'll go anyway.
irritating
I wanted to spend today uploading more tutorials to my new website
10:29
@DeadMG Never go for a Ryanair flight without the printed boarding-pass. Even if you can get them to print one out for you at check-in, the charges are horrendous, often more than the cost of the flight.
travelnoia
I know the feeling.
But I love travelling, and I'd travel just about anywhere, alone. I don't mind, and it's fun.
You learn so much when you travel.
@DeadMG link
@MartinJames everything on Rynair is horrendously expensive
@TonyTheLion mostly how little know
you a word?
@thecoshman ..except the fares. I've never had any problems because, (so far:), I've not made any screwups that give them a chance to levy any extras.
@TonyTheLion almost :P
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10:35
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Q: why do functions have Integer,float,char in C++? why can't they just be 'function name'

Wareseeker Wareseekerwhy do functions have Integer,float,char in C++? why can't they just be 'function name'. almost all the programming languages are same except for Python .

@MartinJames indeed
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So much misinformation here...
only the tutorials -> preparation -> compiler actually works right now
One day I fled to London for an interview, and I had no place to sleep so I just hung out all night long in pubs :p my plane was at 8am.
the others are all down
10:37
@DeadMG oooh, that old chestnut
@kbok sounds like a giggle :P
I'm sure in London there's always a place that's open to go and have a drink.
@thecoshman It's a little less old now.
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@DeadMG lol, almost no content, but of course you got a "Donate" button. :P
@Xeo Hey, most of it is just waiting to be transferred.
the old site had quite a bit on it
@thecoshman Actually, I did sorta make one. Due to a confusing email from customer, I booked a flight for the wrong day. Just wrote it off - no point in even considering to try & get any refund etc.
10:38
You can donate to the puppy foundation for C++ programmers
Can we donate puppies too?
lol
I don't think PayPal accepts puppy as a currency
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@TonyTheLion Only female puppies, I guess.
@TonyTheLion Yeah that was quite fun :) Also you can imagine how tired I was after a 34-hour day containing two flights, an interview and some beers.
@Xeo Life's a bitch..
@kbok OMG. you probably slept well on that plane
@DeadMG we shall invent it and demand it be added :P
10:40
so
better than bitcoins
clothes: check
phone charger and charger converter from UK to European: check
toothbrush?
@TonyTheLion Not really, those charters are not a good fit for sleeping.
10:41
:(
hand luggage
passport: check
boarding passes: check
phone and headphones: check
xxx movies?
lol, nope
phone charged: check
how boring.
phone paid for: check
10:42
@DeadMG E111 NHS card?
@MartinJames They've been EHICs since 2006, and yes, I have one.
travel insurance
I never travel with travel insurance.
@DeadMG where did you say you where going?
A BOOK
(to read or to write, your pick)
@thecoshman Linz in Austria
10:43
@DeadMG So you're considering moving to Austria ?
funny how you have to verify your travel plans with a bunch of online people from all over the world
@TonyTheLion he's a simple child :P
if it's not a computer, he can't do it.
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@TonyTheLion Double-checking is good, variadic checking is better :D
10:45
Hmm
@kbok Working
@TonyTheLion what do computers have with it? :P
@TonyTheLion I don't have anyone here with me to check them
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Q: Generating a random DAG

utsI am solving a problem on directed acyclic graph. But I am now suffering from a problem that I want to test my code on some directed acyclic graphs(the graphs can be large also and should be acyclic ). I tried a lot to make code for generating acyclic directed graphs. But I failed every time. Can...

@DeadMG cash?
10:47
Anyone else think this question is worth reopening? 3 reopens have already been cast: ^^
30 euos
@thecoshman what do people on this chat mostly do in their lives?? Just think for a minute...
@DeadMG euh, are they providing your food and all that?
@Xeo mark everything volatile though. and use proper barriers. Basically: don't double check. Just lock, the rest is probably premature and error-prone
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@sehe Why was it even closed, it's definitly a real question
@Xeo No code show, I guess. Also "I'm suffereing" - bit unpopular style, highlighted by the commented.
10:49
@TonyTheLion I think so.
@DeadMG You may need more than that. The airport shuttles usually cost around 10€ even in "cheaper" countries.
@TonyTheLion I meant with his competence :P
@DeadMG how long you staying for? A hand shake?
@kbok My parents have about another 50 euros which I'mma pick up before leaving.
@thecoshman Three days. Thur/Fri/Sat, leave on Sun.
@kbok And in even cheaper countries, for 10 euros, you can have someone killed and your shoes shined.
Oh ok.
10:50
@DeadMG you are going to need more the €30 :P
@thecoshman Except I can still perfectly well use my card in Austria, as far as I'm aware, to withdraw some euros.
put it this way, using a €100 note does not result in stupid looks
@Neil Never managed that. It's always been one or the other.
@MartinJames I know how to strike a bargain then.
@DeadMG true, but I would rather have the cash on me, I find it hard enough to get to an ATM when I know where they are
10:51
lol
@Xeo Thanks for the extra vote, I've cleaned up the post a little: stackoverflow.com/posts/12790337/revisions
I always travel with more than enough money on me, in case something were to happen.
@thecoshman me too. I never use cash these days. Have real trouble finding a place where I can still 'get some' (hehe)
I think 80 euros to be enough
And 640kB ought to be enough
10:53
@DeadMG I would still take more, you can always convert it back
@TonyTheLion Ooh! That's another one. DeadMG - Do you have a moneybelt, or similar? Airport pickpockets are amazingly skillful, as I have found out.
or if it goes well, just keep it as €
Well there's good reason not to bring too much
if you have a card you can use to pay with, that's also helpful, so you don't have to carry cash
@MartinJames No.
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10:55
@Xeo Actually, all I see there is one superfluous word. But, yeah, when I'm mad, I type worse. I also speak worse. Does that surprise you?
@MartinJames So, you're hiring them now :)
@TonyTheLion depends on the card, most debit cards will only let you take money out at ATM, you need a proper credit card to pay at tills
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@sbi Yeah, either an "I" too much or a "think" that was forgotten.
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Anyway, lunch was nice, now back to work.
@sbi That was random.
10:56
@thecoshman yes. But some debit cards (Visa debit) are accepted in other countries.
@DeadMG ..then please be careful. It was at Stansted where my wallet got boosted and I had to cancel my trip at the boarding gate. My luggage had to be offloaded and I was not at all popular.
Sweet, @DeadMG is going to Austria? Job thing?
also hi
@jalf Meeting with Oracle.
@TonyTheLion AFAIK a (visa) debit card can only be used at ATMs in other countries, my UK and Irish banks can only be used at ATMs in the othe rcountries
@DeadMG that's in Delphi, isn't it?
10:57
fucking train company will only refund me for half my ticket
@jalf Linz.
so I'mma end up paying over a hundred quid for these fucking trains
@DeadMG your lucky to get that :O
@thecoshman not from my experience.
@TonyTheLion maybe you have a credit card?
@DeadMG Pretty sure all those old stories talked about the oracle being in Delphi, not Linz....
I guess it depends very much on the bank in question
10:59
what old stories? I never heard any old stories about Oracle
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Wtf.
the guy said "Go to Linz" so I'm going to Linz
@thecoshman Well, yes that too. Some of my debit cards don't work in other countries, and some do.
Do colleagues at your work place argue a lot?
nope, not here
11:00
Mine do. And when you have a headache, this only makes it worse. :(
lunch time :D
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I just got a call from Gameforge about my application (I had to decline their offer for an interview) and not even 5 minutes later I get a mail response from Noumena Studios in Berlin.
Delphi ( or ; , ) is both an archaeological site and a modern town in Greece on the south-western spur of Mount Parnassus in the valley of Phocis. In Greek mythology, Delphi was the site of the Delphic oracle, the most important oracle in the classical Greek world, and a major site for the worship of the god Apollo after he slew the Python, a dragon who lived there and protected the navel of the Earth. Python (derived from the verb pythein, "to rot") is claimed by some to be the original name of the site in recognition of the Python that Apollo defeated. The Homeric Hymn to Delphic Ap...
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@jalf I think those might be too old for the puppy. :P
Ah, onebox fail
11:01
@jalf 'Python (derived from the verb pythein, "to rot") - hehe!
Also @DeadMG it was a joke, which your ignorance of history and culture sadly butchered ;)
heh
even if I was the kind of person to care much for such things, I'm much too nervous right now
@DeadMG So what happens if it goes well? You're moving to Austria to work?
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@jalf He mentioned another interview scheduled right after.
@jalf Well, I'm still interviewing with another place here right after I get back
11:03
Cool, hope it goes well. :)
when are you leaving?
moving to another country where I don't speak the language is a big deal
tomorrow
@DeadMG that it is
plus
the other position is permanent and I would be receiving only an internship at Oracle
then they would want me to finish my degree, I think
plus, it's Oracle...
I would indeed be working in Java
whereas the other one has me working in C#
11:04
@DeadMG oh joy
what I'm more concerned about is the money
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@DeadMG You could happily learn German together with the robot. :P
the moneys the government is giving me would take months to pay back the cost of this trip
even after Oracle refund me for the air travel and hotel
yeah, that's not ideal
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Wait, how does that work? What else do you need to pay back except the travel expenses?
11:07
uh, you can add a good hundred pounds of train tickets on top of that
@Xeo the booze and women aint cheap, you know
plus the couple hundred I expended obtaining my passport in a reasonable amount of time
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@DeadMG That should be covered by Oracle aswell, if they're already covering the flight and hotel.
@DeadMG Okay, that one sucked, yeah.
@DeadMG have you checked if the train ride isn't covered by the airline ticket? In some places, your flight ticket also counts for local public transit
hi guys would you know whether clock_t is measured in seconds??

        clock_t start, stop;
	double t = 0.0;
//code
stop = clock();
	t = ((double) (stop - start)) / CLOCKS_PER_SEC;
	printf("Run time: %f\n", t);
11:09
@BicB er, it's measured in CLOCKS_PER_SEC....
@jalf Don't think the budget airlines do- and I doubt that Ryanair would charge me £135 to fly where £100 goes on the trains.
so t is in clocks per seconds?
oh yeah, did I mention that this is excluding the cost of transport on the Linz end/
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@DeadMG Wat?
That seems kinda half-assed of Oracle
well
maybe he actually meant that Oracle would cover all my costs
but he definitely only wrote that they would cover flight and hotel
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11:11
Time for a call? :P
@DeadMG afaik, it's typically part of whatever deal the airport has, rather than the specific airlines. So might be worth checking up on at least. But yeah, probably ask Oracle for clarification first
I need to email him for some stuff anyway
argh gmail y ur links no open new tabs with middle click, you suck
my parents insist that the money is nothing compared to the size of the opportunity there, but all I can see is the dwindling amount of opportunities I could afford to look for
@DeadMG Indeed. Ryanair are only interested in disgorging you on the tarmac.
@DeadMG I'm sure they will cover all travel expenses you've incurred over the entire trip.
for the company, that's just an expense anyway
just keep every damn receipt
and hand it all to them
every penny you spend should be covered by a receipt
so you can justify it to them
@TonyTheLion yes, that. Keep tickets and receipts and any other bit of paperwork. They should refund it without any problems
11:23
why the feck do I need my password to download a free app?
I hate you Apple
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@DeadMG I especially love it when they changed the ToS again and you have to read through that (aka scroll down and hit OK). After that, you need to try to load the app again.
it's even more annoying because the Internet here is slow as fuck
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If you're new here, read The Rules™ or expect to get treated badly.
oh rules :P
woah we have 13k messages that have been starred
that's a lot
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Damn, I should've written "appropriately". Oh well.
11:32
@DeadMG Why don't you just send them your expenses. I mean, send them the bills they explicitely requested/mentioned (flight+hotel), they can take the train ticket 'for information' if they don't want to cover those. That usually works with the larger administrations.
oh lunch was awesome
@DeadMG Small businesses: chat to the administration personnel/HRM person.
Big business: not so much, I think it usually has the adverse effect: as soon as you 'question' the legitimacy of expenses, someone ***will*** notice it is not in the rule book and start doubting. When in doubt...
@Xeo Contextual synonyms
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@sehe :)
In the end, both may be the same, but "appropriately" doesn't sound as bad as "bad"
I mean, we can atleast appear to be friendly, right?
Apple, what the fuck with the security questions, I don't give a shit, can I please just download my goddamn free app
@Xeo Then unpin, edit, and have another owner re-pin.
You can just edit a pinned message, no problem IIRC
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11:35
@DeadMG Too late to edit. I can always delete, though. Yeah, let's just do that.
I've unstarred/unpinned the old
@TonyTheLion Jerk!
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Alright, now it's perfect.
There's no censorship here. Move along. No slouching, citizen.
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lol
11:42
@sehe wut?
Hehe. What you did there.

I see it :)
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the largest of it's kind ^
118 volumes.
Absorb ALL THE KNOWLEDGE!
so basically it's Wikipedia but extremely small and inconvenient
@DeadMG har har
I just gave my encyclopedia away. It was the GNLE:
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I kept the Atlas, though, because it has the initials of my (late) grandpa inscribed
11:59
@sehe ..don't ask. So, yes, DeadMG, bung in all the receipts, say nothing, look confident and some muppet in the HR offce will just check them for €€€ bar bills, €€€ 'entertainment' bills from the Blue Lagoon, and pay the lot.
12:19
fucking hell
not only am I gonna have to stay overnight in London, but I'll leave London at some godawful time in the morning to get to worthless government place to see the worthless government people again
and then the day after that, I'm trucking up to Andover to see the people there
@DeadMG if they're soooo worthless, stop seeing them
@DeadMG why the heck do you have to go see them so often?
because they're worthless
They're about to do "rocket man" live
Attempt to get a man to free fall faster than the speed of sound
I don't read Italian very well.
12:26
@TonyTheLion translate.google.com/manager/?hl=en There you are you lazy bastard.
@dead what's the fuss?
@Neil honestly I have better things to do than translate a random article from Italian
no offense
@thecoshman Mostly, the trains there are extremely inconvenient in both directions, so to attend a 5 minute interview where I sign to say I really am looking for work I have to wait around for hours
@DeadMG how can you live that far away from doll office?
@thecoshman I don't. It's only a few miles.
but I don't drive and, as mentioned, the train links there are terrible.
12:31
@DeadMG ¬_¬ then walk
@TonyTheLion Just figured you would have wanted to see a live attempt to surpass the sound barrier in free fall
The video was the point, not the article
The video is in english anyway
no can't watch it here
@Neil not every ones cup of tea
Well sorry for offering tea, my god
@Neil try offering coffee
12:37
lol
@Neil sorry, didn't want to come across as a douche.
:(
@TonyTheLion I can't stay mad at you for long :)
@Neil surprised you got mad in the first place
one does not simply get mad in the Lounge.
@TonyTheLion your gif of Sbi riding his bike should be pinned really
@thecoshman Just vote it +40, that will last longer, I guess
12:44
You should be watching this though
There's little dots moving strangely on the live video
I don't want to use the term ufo, but what the hell are they?
@Neil are they objects? are they flying? have you identified them? sounds pretty much like a UFO to me!
but probably birds
@thecoshman Have you seen them?
yeah... thinking it might just be some balloons... advertisement maybe?
how long should it take for it to happen?
Advertisement blimps at 8 o'clock in the morning so far away to read anything on it?
Besides, i'd think they'd move slowly being so far away
never know
12:52
goddamnit
trying to text my contact at Oracle but it won't send :(
@DeadMG Let me guess, database error?
@Neil it's surprising how little people care about this
@thecoshman I was just going for the most ironic angle here
@Neil huh?
@thecoshman huh?

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