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12:01
@StackedCrooked link or it doesn't exist
Lack of link enhances the existential nature of the title.
Also, I'm lazy.
holy fuck! I just noticed there was coords.x =+ ofs; in my code. What a silly typo =\
Hi
@Abyx Took me a while to see it.
12:10
oh, permit to be grown up for a moment, but I am very excited to see that the € is becoming stronger against the £ :D
the more the stronger it becomes, the smaller debts become, I love it!
@Abyx nice. Could be intentional, of course :)
@thecoshman The less cheap books I can buy from England :(
@sbi Indeed:
Operator overloading in C++ http://stackoverflow.com/q/4421706/1288?stw=2
@kbok ¬_¬ no more... you get more £ for your € thus things become cheaper
@kbok Buy them from US. More carbon oxide emissions too!
12:13
@sehe ¬_¬ that grates on me more then it should
@thecoshman Oh yeah, right, I was seeing the other way around
Is anyone familiar with Visual Studio's autoexpand files ?
@kbok What are they for? debug visualizers? (That's a very faint association I have there)
@sehe yes
They are used, for example, to tell visual studio how to display containers in the debugger.
12:18
@kbok mmm I remember seeing a 'definite site' for that mentioned on Stack Overflow. Search for the filename extension + tag on Stack Overflow perhaps. Or maybe it was a tweet by James McNellis. You might plink him. Or search his answers explicitely
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A: Tutorial/Manual how to create Visualizer in autoexp.dat

UserAppears this is already commented above but someone coming to this question would not necessarily read the comments and so might miss the great tutorial available on the boost site: https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/wiki/DebuggerVisualizers Also http://mariusbancila.ro/blog/2007/04/06/tweaking-...

@sehe Thanks !
@kbok I picked that answer for a broad link collection, not because it was highest rated. Use stackoverflow.com/… e.g. instead
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@sehe See, I knew!
@kbok Also, it was Jared Par who twote about natvis instead:
> jaredpar For those unfamiliar #natvis is a file which tells the C++ debugger how to display your types. Very simple + powerful XML format
12:30
so much rage!
@sehe Hmm, that would be a nice alternative indeed
@thecoshman My RAAAAEEGE was better. Also better founded. :)
@sehe I am a professional shit pedler
My great issue right now is the "expression evaluator context operator" which gives shit like this : expr: (mxOUTPUT*) ({,,vwrtools}(VWR_LIST_INDEX*){*}({,,adlltools}(mxOUTPUT_LIST*){*}$e.m_ptr)->pxRepository)->ppvIndex[$i]
With that CV you'll win some jobs
@kbok I have seen links to expression evaluator addins too, while searching for this. This is not in autoexp.dat itself
12:34
> They were wiping out $SOMEVAR/bin and $SOMEVAR was empty
Fail.
@sehe Yeah, you can write plugins for that too. By my coworkers already tried it and told me that the API was terrible and the overall result was very unstable.
> [EEAddIn Sample: Debugging Expression Evaluator Add-In ](msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/8fwk67y3(v=VS.80).aspx) /cc @kbok
natvis looks cool but it's 2012 only :(
@kbok Good match for VS :)
I normally consider my self calm and 'unstresable' but my god does this shit fuck me off something special
can any one recommend some music that is rather long. Ideally some sort playlist where the transition between songs is very smooth
12:43
Microsoft-style error reporting, helpful as always
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fuck it, prodigy will do
@kbok Hey, you haven't seen IBM error reporting yet. On the preboot serial console of an AIX machine on PowerPC 64 bit
> Error:Error encountered - Error Code=Error_code : Error Message=Error_Message
(Not that the latter matters, the error reporting is just as cryptic everywhere else)
12:45
fuck you markdown
> <Document Storage System> is being such that I best not describe it in an email at work
I just overheard a coworker whom I introduced to haskell a while ago explaining foldl/foldr to someone at the coffee machine.
It's surprising because they hang out at the coffee machine even though the coffee it produces is truly the worst I ever tasted.
@kbok now imagine every source of coffee in the building being like that
@kbok You have obviously not tasted enough bad coffee.
12:58
coffee is for scrubs
@DeadMG try it with a shot of rum, and leave out the milk, hot water... and best not but any coffee or sugar in either
lol
@kbok while(!memory_blocked()) { dropdown.add("(error)", 0); }
fuckin hiccups
#define ERROR_SUCCESS 0L // The operation completed successfully.
13:06
(paraphrasing design document) "it's so fucked up atm, that we just need to get it working, then we can shoe horn in some sort of security" ¬_¬ great, so let's stub it all out and say job done!
@DeadMG hickin fuckups
@thecoshman "Not even in the future does anything work!"
@Neil what fuels candles?
Don't know why spaceballs seemed to pop into my mind just now
13:10
@thecoshman That's paraphrasing the archetypical design document. Unless it is Java Enterprise Design(TM) in which case it sounds more like "It is so future-proof, we just need to scale up and out and we can make it support the coffee machine service too. It is all generic and auto-versioning. The naming service will make hotplugging of more bean-grinder devices a breeze. All network traffic can be transparently routed through an automated Q/A testing proxy. Of course, ...
... it will log full audit trails to comply with ISO9002, ISO9009 and FFSEQ776138a,b,f,j
@thecoshman ¬_¬
@thecoshman parafine
@sehe I had to teach @Neil that the other day, and strictly speaking, not all candles are parafine
@thecoshman I did one deliver an app with a 'return;' at the top of a critical job validation function, (left over from debugging). It took three months for the customer to notice that any old job number was allowed. Shame really, given the effort they'd put in to ensure that the 'validJobs' table was kept up-to-date.
@thecoshman meh. I'm sorry to hear you had to teach someone once. That must have been exhausting
13:13
@sehe it was rather hard to teach him this detail... not so sure if he believed it though
I still don't think wax produces smoke
If anything, it produces vapor
the wick makes the smoke
fuckdiddlies, the sickness
the trail of floaty stuff when you blow out a candle is wax vapour, it is that which you can light shortly after you have blown out a candle. Smoke is also not a very good word, what does it really mean (rhetoric)?
@DeadMG the most awesome death metal song ever!
@thecoshman in fact it will be like, oxygen, parafine (or comparable) and enough heat to get the chain reaction started
@Neil the wick may cause the burning to produce smoke - if the burning isn't optimal
@sehe indeed
13:17
Parrafin wax is a complex mix of heavy hydrocarbons and poor/incomplete combustion is just about inevitable when the combustor is as complex as a 'wick'.
What counts as smoke?
Well why don't you two just have a "Neil is stupid" tea party then like two little girls. Stupidheads!
oh god! my eyes! so much use of the factory!!!
@Neil sounds like a good plan :D the important thing is, have you learnt anythnig from all this?
@thecoshman I've learned that no matter how much you think you're right, you'll never win an argument against two others who think the opposite
Apparently using underscores in XCode project names lead to strange bugs where the build fails and everything is reported as successful
> HOW COULD I BE SUCH A FOOL TO USE AN UNDERSCORE IN PROJECT NAME?!?
13:20
@Neil It depends.
If you have two bullets, you can.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ..or you can get them to line up.
@Neil cite something the proves me wrong, and I will accept it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's he going to do with two bullets? throw them at us?
Starts with an "S" and ends with "hoot them at you".
@R.MartinhoFernandes pedantic point that you need more then a lump of shaped metal to shoot someone
He can shoot them from his fist with his thumb.
13:27
@StackedCrooked You probably could, but wouldn't that blow your fingers off?
Who knows?
@StackedCrooked I'm sure McGuyver built a gun at least once
further pedantic point. Bullet is a lump of metal, a round is a bullet in a shell with some form of explosive charge
it's akin to putting a splash of gravy on a plate and calling it stew
@thecoshman Metaphor police called...
@Neil well, I would say akin to putting some beef on the plate and calling it dinner, but to many that is just fine
13:31
>.<
and not really sure if it is a metaphor... if anything it's a simile
@thecoshman I think it's like putting socks in a toaster. You never like the odor but the fish always get to it first.
@thecoshman Whatever. Aperture Turrets fire 60% more bullet per bullet.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but Aperture do some mad shit... probably some sort of coating system that adds mass to the bullet as it traverses the barrel
Yes, they of course do made shit, like most manufacturers.
@thecoshman No, they simply fire the whole bullet. youtube.com/watch?v=6i-nMWgBUp0
13:40
'a[j][k] = a[j][k]-a[i][k]*a[j][i]/a[i][i];' ... ignore question.. next..
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, but Mr Johnson is also an idiot who doesn't know shit from shite
@kbok huh?
@Neil hmmm...
@thecoshman speaking of beef - the beef I bought saturday was already stale... Not a nice scent in the fridge. We got a replacement today. Mmm. About fair, I suppose
13:47
@sehe huh, should have left it another year or two and then sell it to some raw food nut job
@sehe i wonder where the limit is. we are evolved to eat rotten meat. it has to be cured before we like the taste (in general).
that's not true
not like lions
we evolved to eat raw meat, not rotten, and secondly, we've been cooking meat for like, two million years, and have some specific adaptations in that regard
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I would think we have evolved to eat raw fresh meat
13:53
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Feel free to investigate. Do not ask for collaboration.
@DeadMG course it's true. read up on it. or buy some fresh meat
firefox is again lagging so badly that i'm writing this blind
fresh != rotten
@Cheersandhth.-Alf we about lions?
except for calve's meat and chicken, you simply do not get fresh meat in the stores. it's all cured. necessarily, or they wouldn't be able to sell it.
the non-belief tells me of a city boi :-)
2 mins ago, by DeadMG
fresh != rotten
13:56
@TonyTheLion lions eat fresh kill
@Cheersandhth.-Alf due you mean aged? the fact that beef is allowed to hang for about a month before it get's sent to shops (if it is good meat that is)
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Just throwing this in here.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf There is something sadly bad re. your FF environment. I don't get that problem now and have not with any earlier versions.
@thecoshman yeah, it's called "conditioned" i found now, not "cured"
"cured" refers to adding preservatives like salt and stuff
@Cheersandhth.-Alf yeah, that's no where near 'rotten'
13:59
Meat is animal flesh that is eaten as food. Generally, this means the skeletal muscle and associated fat and other tissues, but it may also describe other edible tissues such as offal. Often, meat is used in a more restrictive sense – the flesh of mammalian species (pigs, cattle, lambs, etc.) raised and prepared for human consumption, to the exclusion of fish and other seafood, poultry, and other animals. Usage varies worldwide, depending on cultural or religious preferences. Etymology The word meat comes from the Old English word mete, which referred to food in general. The term is re...
@Cheersandhth.-Alf or simply dried
@thecoshman it is, for animals not evolved to think rotten meat is yummy yum yum
@Cheersandhth.-Alf the chilling of the meat reduces the amount it rots, prevents contamination with flys.
that said, i've never eaten norwegian "rakfisk" (artificially rotted fish), and i'm not going to...
Rakfisk () Norwegian fish dish made from trout or sometimes char, salted and fermented for two to three months, or even up to a year, then eaten without cooking. Origin The first record of the term rakfisk dates back to 1348, but the history of this food is probably even older. No sources are available as to the exact invention year of the rakfisk dish or the fermentation process that produces the raw material for it. The rakfisk dish is related to the Swedish dish surströmming and probably shares its origin in the ancient Scandinavian culture after the hunting-gathering way of life evo...
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I would totally give it a go
14:03
he he :)
@Cheersandhth.-Alf What about Lutefisk?
Lutefisk (Norwegian) or Lutfisk (Swedish) or Ludfisk (Danish) (pronounced in Northern Norway, in Central and Southern Norway, in Sweden and in Finland ()) is a traditional dish of the Nordic countries. It is made from aged stockfish (air-dried whitefish) or dried/salted whitefish (klippfisk) and lye (lut). It is gelatinous in texture, and has an extremely strong, pungent odor. Its name literally means "lye fish." Preparation Lutefisk is made from dried whitefish (normally cod in Norway, but ling is also used) prepared with lye in a sequence of particular treatments. The watering...
but generally, few mammals have evolved to eat rotten meat
depends, very much. it's OK when consistency is right, otherwise not
but mostly it's everything that goes with lutefisk (including BACON) that makes it OK
wait... lye as in the highly base chemical that if you get in your eyes can cause blindness?
14:05
Fish and chips is a popular take-away food in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa. It consists of fish which is battered and then deep-fried served with chips. It is sometimes accompanied by other items such as mushy peas or tartare sauce. History Fish and chips became a stock meal among the working classes in Great Britain as a consequence of the rapid development of trawl fishing in the North Sea, and the development of railways which connected the ports to major industrial cities during the second half of the 19th century, which meant tha...
@Neil om nom nom
@LuchianGrigore Food -- the topic of the hour. Especially food that some (many?) find un-appetizing.
@JerryCoffin well, rotten food :P
bah - plain rice
14:11
bin
enough
Well well. Now we have food porn under the guise of wikipedia references oneboxed
hay!
there was no need for that
@thecoshman Define 'need'. Mine was desperate enough
really? cause there were like, 2 whole screens worth of nothing but links to Wikipedia descriptions of food.
@sehe I wanted it to happen
14:12
and I've got a large screen
@DeadMG then get a bigger screen
ok yeah, that does go far back ... whistle
@thecoshman Or get the fuck out :)
@sehe (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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Finished your discussion of rotten fish?
Good, because here's something fresh to chew on:
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Q: What is protection of questions really used for?

sbiSo I have just run across the fact that this question got protected, and I was wondering why that was done. After carefully looking at this, I meant to ask Daniel what was his intention — just to discover that I already did so 1.5 years ago... I have often wondered what questions are protected f...

electrons aren't chewy
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14:16
Uh, dead room. No wonder, this rotten fish subject really, really stinks.
@sbi it was going just fine when fish was the topic
why can't you just skate out of here
@DeadMG Ask the robot. Oh wait.
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sbi
@DeadMG Ah, but those are protected electrons!
so... definitely not chewy?
my food is chewy
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14:18
@thecoshman You puny little pirate, I think you just overstepped where you should not overstep, lest you invoke an angry gorilla step-dancing on your head.
but I eat mainly raw fresh meat
as a lion
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@TonyTheLion Fresh, huh? So your foot's out then.
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Where the smell of rotten fish gets mistaken for healthy rotting meat [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [nonsense]
@sbi wut?
<foot-in-mouth/>
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14:19
@sehe ITYM healthily, no?
@sbi nope
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@sehe Then you mean wrong, me thinks.
28 mins ago, by Cheers and hth. - Alf
@sehe i wonder where the limit is. we are evolved to eat rotten meat. it has to be cured before we like the taste (in general).
And the 'evidence' entailed countless examples of (semi)rotting fish. Go figure
Human beings eat eggs that have been buried for 10 years under the dirt.. it hardly surprises me anymore what we're capable of
@sehe The conclusion is obvious: Norwegians did not evolve.
14:25
they devolved?
Dunno. Left as an exercise for the reader.
:)
ohhh excercises
exercise: you suck!
I have work to do, that's an exercise already
14:26
The puppy sucks at exercises.
he's a puppy, he doesn't understand them yet
he thinks everything is play
There does seem to be an affinity for err.. 'less-than'fresh' fish dishes in those Scandinavian countries. I will add them to the list of places I wish to avoid working in.
@TonyTheLion Don't think so. Devo was American.
har ahar
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@MartinJames Let's just say they have an affinity for fish. Yes, that does include fermented fish, but those folks who are not as affine to milk as we are will usually also detest us liking rotten milk (cheese, curd, yogurt) in any form.
14:33
@sbi Fair point. Probably why I never seem to meet any Scndinavian engineers here:)
Hey, cheese is not rotten milk.
It's... transformed.
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@MartinJames And what about black tea? That's undergone some fermentation, too. To wit, this is more common than you think, and we only detest what we aren't used to.
@sbi stop carping on will ya
@R.MartinhoFernandes Milk: the immature form of cheese.
Exactly. Just like eggs transform into chickens.
14:34
Generally speaking, the poorer a nation is (historically), the more their kitchen tends to reflect a tendency to eat anything that's edible
@sbi Yeah, OK. then there's beer...
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Or into 100 year old eggs. :)
Though Indians will ignore meat mostly for religious reasons or because they feel it will lead one to anger
@sbi While accustomization certainly has something to do with it, I don't think it's accurate to say we only detest what we aren't used to. My mom started trying get me to eat peas before I can remember. I hated them then, and I still do.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not sure if the average Lactobacillus would agree with you.
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14:37
@MartinJames Right. Some folks around the world used to make beer where the fermentation was started by the women chewing stuff and spitting it into some bowl. Sounds icky to us, doesn't it? But then, wine fermentation was started by the young men stomping on the grapes in a cask, and I don't know if I would like wine would I know they are still doing that...
@JerryCoffin Well, I was referring to fermented/rotten food in my statement. Peas are not usually rotten when eaten in our parts of the world.
Anyway, back to work.
@sbi Sounds South-American to me, for some reason. Or maybe Polynesia.
This is a rotten discussion
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@MartinJames I know it from African people. I think they chewed on betels. ICBWT, it's 25 years ago that I read this.
@sehe Hey, you gave it your blessing by topicizing it.
@sbi Likewise - read about it, but don't know where/when.
14:40
@sbi A few wineries still do a cask or two of hand (well, foot) stomped grapes, but mostly as kind of a fall celebration. I've had some. It was pretty good, though not a lot different from other wine. In this case it was pretty good wine, but I'm pretty sure that was mostly because they were using some of their best grapes.
@sbi are (properly) clean feet any worse then clean hands being used to prepare your food?
James Tytler was the first man to fly a hot air balloon in Britain; he died in 1804 after falling into a pond while drunk.
how British!
@R.MartinhoFernandes Really. I do regret that.
@sbi Peas simply rot faster than most other foods -- if you do anything except pick, open the pod, and eat immediately, they're rotten.
Wait, properly clean feet are a thing?
@thecoshman I guess he was full of hot air.
14:42
@thecoshman Statistically, that's more a Russion/Polish thing, AFAICT
Good Ideas, Through the Looking Glass <- nice read (maybe not for the dinosaurs among us, but interesting for the fresher meat)
@sbi I remembered, Cassava: While the woman stirs the mash, she chews handfuls [sic] of and spits them back into the pot, a process that may take half an hour or longer. After the mash has been prepared, it is transferred to a beer storage jar and left to ferment. … The resultant liquid tastes somewhat like a pleasingly alcoholic buttermilk and is most refreshing. The Jivaros consider it to be far superior to plain water, which they drink only in emergencies.''
@sehe I don't have any stat's to hand concerning the 'death by traversing the air with excessive speeds coming to a dramatic stop upon the ground'
@R.MartinhoFernandes That looks like an interesting paper
@MartinJames well, don't forget that for the most part, alcoholic drinks where more for the sake of having something safe to drink then for the desire to have alachol
14:45
Huh. Those didn't have anything to with it. That's the point in the tweet.
TheCoshSimpgleton::getInstance()->enableModule(std::comprehensions::reading);
O hey. (more) Germans! Don't mention the war!
@thecoshman Indeed, but 'Jivaros consider it to be far superior to plain water, which they drink only in emergencies' - how civilized it that!
@sehe what? you sad the 'statistically' it sound more like a Russian thing to do, so I proclaimed I did not have such stat's to argue with
Why the bleep is this boring answer getting so many upvotes?
@thecoshman But I do have them!
14:47
@MartinJames I certainly would consider safe beer far superior to cholera infested water
@thecoshman It's easy: Russians are drunkards. They guy died while drunk. Therefore it's more of a Russian thing to do.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, and what do they say?
@thecoshman air, (excessive) speed, dramatic stops, ground: these all share the property that the had nothing to do with it
@sehe minor details
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just started reading, will this be as entertaining as reading the list of obsolete scientific theories?
14:48
@sehe dunno. why do people use *nix editors? i understand that you do, but i've never understood why use an editor that must be configured to understand del key and arrow keys and such
@LucDanton I'll have to say no.
Look, FUD.
And now for something complete different: instead rotten food, a rotten politician reminding us why "merkins" are despised around the world.
no, every time i tried them on, i've had to configure all kinds of keyboard things
@thecoshman Yes - Broad Street cholera outbreak here in UK.
and even then they've been primitive beyond belief
PBB
14:50
0
Q: Reliably determine the number of elements in an array

FredOverflowEvery C programmer can determine the number of elements in an array with this well-known macro: #define NUM_ELEMS(a) (sizeof(a)/sizeof 0[a]) Here is a typical use case: int numbers[] = {2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19}; printf("%lu\n", NUM_ELEMS(numbers)); // 8, as expected However, not...

^ beware, not a C++ question!
true, apart from the silly gnome editor i haven't used a *nix editor since 1995 or thereabouts
@JerryCoffin ffs
14:50
@Cheersandhth.-Alf and that's a big but
can't have happened that much in just 17 years
that is a perfectly timed but.
inserted right in the middle
@Cheersandhth.-Alf what does that even mean? All kinds of keyboard things? You mean, you have to connect a keyboard cable, since you can't enter characters easily using the onscreen virtual one?
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Dream on
14:52
yeah
Ubuntu 11 didn't even work with Norwegian keyboard, and that's last year
Ubuntu 12 didn't even work with korean screen, and that was this year
@JerryCoffin blank stare
@Cheersandhth.-Alf huh. don't blame unix editors. But amazing, still
when i researched it it turned out it was a bug going back many years. it has apparently been so embarassing that they don't dare fix it but just set the status to fixed.
anyway, dinner!
:-)
launchpad bugs: you gotta love them
@Cheersandhth.-Alf wait: hand in the photo camera first
14:54
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Enjoy eating your rotten...whatever (a little anyway).
@JerryCoffin Oh aha. True dat.
I would like to add that dumb republican politicians are a blessing in disguise to the US government.
@JerryCoffin I see your "blacks should be thankful of slavery" and raise you a "laws are like women: they exist to be violated" (warning: Spanish ahead)
@sehe I do sometimes wonder whether both sides don't take extreme positions and start pointless arguments, primarily to distract voters from the fact that it rarely makes any real difference who wins or loses in any particular election.
@R.MartinhoFernandes :O
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, did he resign?
14:58
@LucDanton A few hours after uttering that... thing.
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Really inspires a lot of confidence in that particular news-source
He was nominated on Monday, and resigned on Tuesday.

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