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10:58 AM
Morwenn wants to tell us something?
 
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Love is less than C++ which is greater than nothing
That linked to an ABBA playlist.
The famous Dabcing Queen
 
lol
 
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Now I want to edit the song so they actually sing that. Meme culture is slowly getting to me.
 
 
3 hours later…
1:58 PM
@nwp Don't you Love<C++>? :o
 
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I'm probably one of the few people here who doesn't hate it, but it felt like there was a personal story behind the change.
 
Nothing at all
 
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Rip
 
Why?
Learn to love yourself and every day will be filled with bliss =w=
 
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People call me names when I do that.
 
2:02 PM
pics or it didn't happen
 
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For some reason I thought you had some success in the love world and that inspired it. I guessed wrong.
 
Whether I have success in the love world is up to the observer's morals
Meanwhile I'm waiting for the next Clang update
To finally have std::ranges::lower_bound and std::ranges::upper_bound
It's 2022 dammit ç_ç
 
@Morwenn I find it hilarious that all the world standardized on clang and then clang just straight up IE6'd it and said "no more innovation or features"
because Chandler Carruth didn't get his way on a few things
 
"the world"
 
a bit of hyperbole but still
clang is the more used compiler as late
 
2:12 PM
My issue is having a common usable denominator for the big 3 compilers and their standard libraries
I want to write a C++20 version of cpp-TimSort but I expect at least some support to be present in GCC, Clang and MSVC
And Clang clearly fell behind there
 
Clang didn't fall behind, Chandler Carruth deliberately made the conscious decision to not implement
major difference
 
Regardless of the reason it still fell behind
 
Any conan gurus out there? im having trouble trying import a header-only lib with cmakedeps generator
 
2:27 PM
I used to be one, but CMakeDeps didn't exist back then x)
 
xD
conan is too complicated :(
 
Of course it is, it tries to the the whole underlying C++ ecosystem to play nice together
The choices for a package manager are:
- Overcomplicated beast
- Less complicated, but doesn't work for most existing projects
 
I'm sooo deep in some conan rabbit-hole. It's just a huge tower of build systems with a bunch of custom python scripts, cmake, meson, xcodegen and some docker containers in the mix
I want to dig out, but I don't even know where to start
 
When I used it for work, I routinely had to fix my dependencies build scripts
 
yep, I build a wrapper script to pin recipe revisions only without pinning package revisions
otherwise it broke from one day to the next without us changing anything because the upstream recipe got changed
 
2:36 PM
Fortunately it is becoming a bit more stable than it used to
 
the only solution conan offers on-bord is to pin binary package revisions only, which only works if every single developer has the exact same environment, which seemed like an unreasonable imposition to me
 
Back then I setup a small conan_server with the just library versions I knew worked
Any change in the Qt recipe generally ended up in blood
 
how long have you ppl been coding cpp?
 
~2003
That said I completely relearned it in about 2008
 
~2010
 
2:44 PM
1999-2011 (intermittently & including uni days). I have not used C++ seriously for at least 5 years. I sit here to make the lounge look bigger @_@
 
like 2007 or 2008, don't really know
 
nice, lots of experienced ppl
i've been coding cpp for some years too but im a really slow learner
 
Who is not a slow learner in regards to C++? :p
 
ahahah
the problem is that i usually lose motivation to code/learn... i find it hard to study by myself
my workplace inst that great either
 
I don't think "learning C++" as a goal in itself is very motivating. Just have some more motivating goals of using C++ for something specific you're exited to work on.
 
2:56 PM
yeah thats true
 
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Variable templates are still fascinating, especially when you are looking into an entity component system.
 
My main motivations with new versions of C++ are publishing new versions of my libraries that take advantage of the new features
 
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I actually lost my motivation with new C++ after C++17. I still haven't looked into modules or concepts which I believe are the big new ones. Also the fact that std::filesystem always segfaults is disheartening.
 
Concepts are nice but not 100% necessary. modules have potential but are currently messy to retrofit
 
Imagine using std::filesystem
 
3:04 PM
Honestly my biggest annoyance with concepts it that compilers still don't give good errors, it just says "constraint not met"
 
I'm writing algorithm libraries, so I want to concepts to make all the function interfaces nicer
 
 
5 hours later…
8:33 PM
Urgh women are so complicated. Often considering to break up after having had a 10year relationship. It s quite a thing to throw away 10 years and trying to build something new with a new partner. After so many years a complicity grows between the two of you, which you may never be able to have with anybody else. All of that would then just be a memory. But throughout the years I have the feeling people can significantly grow apart nevertheless.
And on top of that my C++ code still segfaults. Urgh...
I think it is quite difficult to find the equilibrium between on the one hand flaws which you should just accept because at the end of the day we all are humans and the perfect person does not exist and on the other hand flaws which make you think "are we really made for each other". At the end of the day all flaws could be categorized as the latter, but is that really what you want and the good choice
On top of that the grass always looks greener on the other side, which definitely does not help.
 

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