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19:00
What is metro and what is WinRT?
@DeadMG Why and how is Wide going to render all languages useless?
@IDWMaster It happens like every other week when we get one of those "Critical Security Updates".
AFAIK Metro is the new Windows 8 interface (the tiles), WinRT is Windows 8 on ARM
Is auto update working for anyone
@Borgleader They just call it Windows 8 now; because they got sued by some Nazi grocery store over the word Metro.
19:01
@LewsTherin LOL, I was joking around... It might be better than anything before it...
Ha ha gotcha :)
Metro is called Modern UI now, not Windows 8. Unless they changed it recently, I wouldn't know.
@Rapptz Only for new answers posted.
@Chimera That'd be terrifying though.
But not for anything else.
19:02
So metro apps won't be native apps?
I'm not sure if the rep-updates are working. I wasn't paying attention when I got my last upvote.
@Chimera They're not really native, but MS calls them native
Let's test..... upvote one of mine, and I will tell you if it works.. :-)
@IDWMaster are they running on top of the .NET runtime thingy?
@Chimera Not technically; they're still running on Win32, but they're sandboxed, and you have some weird automated memory management thing with C++/CLI-like syntax.
It's not .NET, but it certainly reminds me of .NET.
ah ok
19:05
@Chimera Upvoting you in:
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Did it update?
@Mysticial yep
hmm...
Hello, all. Anyone in shaders here? Couldn't find a specific chatroom..
The new question updates seem to be working on meta now.
@Mysticial Gonna upvote you.
k done.
19:07
@Rapptz yeah, it updated
@Mysticial My rep went up, but nothing being noted on the reputation information tab
seems like they fixed that
I still can't believe they don't allow JIT though
They even allowed JIT on Windows Phone
Anyways; enough of my rant about Win8
@Chimera If it's the first change in rep for the day, it takes a while to show up.
@Mysticial oh ok
19:09
Anyone used Kinect with C++?
@Chimera I imagine that it's an optimization in the database. Only generate a data-structure if there is a change in rep. Since the majority of users don't get rep-changes every day.
I've used it for robotic vision.
@Mysticial yeah makes sense.
I would like a final year project with Kinect. But I can't think of anything that will be useful. Maybe used along with a 3D printer. Any ideas?
I don't have to use Kinect, but it will be fun.
@Rapptz Interesting. I have 6 tabs open. The update only worked on 2 of them.
19:10
6 tabs of SO? Why?
@Rapptz Oh wait... 8 actually. I had two more on my other window.
I forget to close a lot of questions that I open.
Sometimes someone responds to my answer and it shows up in my codereview tab instead of stackoverflow
@Lews: Lots of ideas. Use exisitng libraries for some sort of human-computer interface, such as a computer that knows when the user has left, & goes to sleep. May be redundant, but interesting as a start for a more aware desktop system...
4 of 8 tabs auto-updated my rep.
Kinda like me and reddit tabs.
I like pressing "Close all tabs to the right"
19:14
@Jackalope Noted, but doesn't seem practical. Anymore, please? :P
Has anybody run Win8 preview under a VM?
@Jackalope It would take me five months plus to write this project, and I need something engaging. Unfortunately my well of ideas is dry.
@Chimera They are native.
The fact that they use a library for stuffs, doesn't make them any less native.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course. I just wonder if they ran under a Virtual Machine.
No, not at all.
You'll hear a lot of FUD thrown around because C++/CX uses a syntax similar to C++/CLI (seriouly, why make up even more new syntax?), but as always, syntax is irrelevant.
19:20
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok
@R.MartinhoFernandes Part of the problem is that there's apparently lots of conflicting information about the nature of C++/CX (and Windows development in general, I think)
@IDWMaster Right, because they won't be in big trouble when someone finds a way around the non-automated, non-existing, non-validations that are (missing) in most native apps.
Some stiff competition for answers today
took the time to open an ascii table webpage and bam, 5 answers posted -.-;
@Borgleader Yep, that's why it's called FGITW. You hesitate even for one second, and you're done.
Had to look up that acronym, but I see why it applies.
19:32
@Borgleader LOL me too
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Q: What is FGITW and SCITE on MSO?

Alex AngasI only read MSO every so often. I'm reading lots of talk about SCITE and FGITW but have no idea what these are. Can someone please define and explain these abbreviations?

If you're wondering how people get so much rep... ^
usually...
@Mysticial IS it really cheating if you take a couple answers, and create a better more detailed answer ( because you got to the game late )?
@Chimera No. But it is if you use downvotes strategically for that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes How was McDonalds?
That second acronym isn't used anymore.
19:35
@ManofOneWay Same old crap.
But at least my stomach isn't roaring any more.
@Mysticial Yeah, I don't down-vote an obviously correct answer.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh MacDonalds sounds good.
Be back later... time to get some MacD's.
I just thought people who got lots of rep simply answered a boat load of questions
I only target the easy ones
I like maintain a high upvote/answer ratio, so I don't answer many questions.
@Borgleader a "boat load" of easy FGITW questions.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's nice sometimes though
19:38
Since I read Meta I knew what FGITW is.
Fastest Gun in the West right?
I used to have a fairly low upvote/answer ratio. Then things got a bit skewed when I started getting those +500s.
@Mysticial hehe.
To date, I have almost 11k upvotes.
~5200 of that is from my top 4 answers...
How do you get your number of upvotes?
@Borgleader A large portion of it is luck.
19:41
He meant how do you check for it, I think.
It's next to your tags.
Or you could check "top users" in a tag and you'll be in the bottom.
Go to your rep-audit page: stackoverflow.com/reputation
obtw Rapptz
Take your total votes, subtract out the number of +15's and -2's.
since you're so interested in my stomach pains, I figured I'd let you in on another little secret
I woke up this morning in quite some agony, but took a piss and it went away almost immediately
19:42
@DeadMG It's going to end up being Stephano vs Vortix.
@Mysticial I like my way better. You have 7.2k for C++ tag.
Go go Stephano <3<3<3
@EtiennedeMartel I know. Already made preparations to observe the finals.
it's a pity because Lucifron gave Stephano the bigger challenge of the night, IMO
@Rapptz Except that I'm active in more than just 1 tag.
@DeadMG Oh. Got your Doritos and Mountain Dew?
19:43
@Mysticial 3k for C.
@Rapptz And there's a lot of overlap.
@EtiennedeMartel Nope. Too far from a place that sells such things.
@DeadMG I could think of a couple reasons why that happened but I'm not too sure.
well, primarily, I find it curious because you're not even talking about a large volume of piss, so taking one would reduce pressure or something
it was a few piddly drops
@DeadMG Is that good or bad?
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19:44
Stomach Overflow.
SCNR.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a pattern. AFAIK, he hadn't seen one before.
@Dead?
I don't think one event makes a pattern.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, it's kinda good and kinda bad. Good in that that particular bout of agony was trivial to resolve. Bad in that I have no idea why.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes What the hell, then call it one-time pad or whatever.
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, but this is hardly the first time I've had exactly that happen to me.
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@DeadMG But the good is new, and what you consider bad has been with you for a very long time.
19:46
@DeadMG Ah, ok.
evening fellas
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@TonyTheLion Evening fell on us?
@DeadMG It could be just regular "morning sickness" that went away with a bit of moving around. Doesn't have to be the piss.
@DeadMG Then I guess it's good. You've got some new information you can give to doctors.
@sbi maybe it did
19:47
Here it did.
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@Rapptz Isn't morning sickness a sign you're pregnant? @Dead??
@Rapptz The piss was trial and error- with a whole bunch of "error" the first time. I happened to take a piss after crying my guts out for about fifteen minutes.
after that, piss was the first thing I tried and it works every time
@R.MartinhoFernandes Already did.
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@DeadMG What are they saying?
@sbi Nothing new- I told them about this fifteen months ago.
@sbi Yes. Hence why it's in quotes.
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19:49
@DeadMG Oh. So it wasn't that new. Damn.
after I worry about my very-long-term future and find a job, I'll worry about my medium-long-term future and find a new doctor
I would consider your health very-long-term future.
@sbi No. I just didn't bring it up before. But since rapptz seemed so curious last night I figured I'd mention it.
Gawd, that was bad.
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@Rapptz Yeah, I just wondered whether there isn't something completely else that's supposed to happen to young men in the morning.
19:50
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought it was funny.
lol
@DeadMG so you have planned what to worry about first? :P
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed. Bad robot! Go back into your recharging corner and do some math.
Only reason I'm interested is because I'm a biomedical scientist and it's a part of my job.
Consider it a weird reflex.
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@TonyTheLion I do think you're onto something there.
19:51
lol
well
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No, nothing to laugh about. I am dead serious. (Pun not intended, but noted.)
Yesterday on the train, there was a girl with Tourette's or something sitting one chair ahead of me. It was a bit unsettling.
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Stomach aches are often said to be psycho-somatic. (Think ulcer.)
if I don't find a coding job then I'll be spending the rest of my life flipping burgers at McDonalds, which is not really a life I'm interested in living, so arguably, the length of burger-flipping isn't really important
19:53
misread. I would say flipping burgers is a good temporary job but it doesn't look too good.
the real question is
dafuq do I write as a skills matrix on my CV
@DeadMG C++ and lot of it.
When writing for employers I try to brag about things and put myself in third person and ask if I'd hire myself.
"Skills: C++- shitload. C- a lot. Lua- shitload."
user406009
19:55
@DeadMG Multithreading, GUI skills, stuff like that?
Specifically, "real" C++. Not the C-subset bullshit that the majority of people who call themselves "C++ programmers" (like me) know.
user406009
Like 2 matrices, one for languages, another for language agnostic programming skills.
@EthanSteinberg Concurrency. I'm pretty handy with that stuff.
I think
What about .NET
you know some C#?
19:56
Hey
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@Mysticial The problem is that most employers wouldn't know "real C++" if it hit them in the nuts.
I know something about .NET
it's called .NET
19:57
did my university team project in C#
put it in your matrix
@sbi Something like "expert on template meta programming" would be a strong indicator of that.
@Mysticial Wait, you call yourself a C++ programmer.
Where does one learn "real C++ "?
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@Mysticial Indicator of what? Really, most guys who interviewed me had barely heard the term.
@Borgleader By reading real good books.
19:59
I've seen most C++ programmers even being afraid of template meta programming
I read the 3 books by Scott Meyers, does that count?
@sbi Oh ic... what you mean. I read it as employers not knowing the term "real C++" in that context. You meant that most employers don't know or use TMP?
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@TonyTheLion And rightly so!
20:00
Most of you lot aren't afraid of it?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hi, Jon Doe.
Programming: Principles and Practice Using C++ I also have this one, but I haven't gotten to reading it yet.
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@Mysticial They don't even know there's "real C++" and why it would be good to employ programmers who can do that.
@EtiennedeMartel WTF. Why the heck didn't that get my screen name from SO?
@Borgleader Good book :)
20:00
@R.MartinhoFernandes Same thing happened to me.
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@Borgleader It's a very good start. Keep going that road!
I guess both databases are not linked.
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@TonyTheLion They are too young to know what to be afraid of.
@sbi ah I see.
@R.MartinhoFernandes There needs to be a minimum # of answers on that second query.
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20:02
@TonyTheLion I started doing TMP in the late 90s, but I am still afraid of that shit.
@sbi oh. I guess that says a lot about TMP.
@Mysticial Yeah, I went to look at the profiles of those guys with 1k+ and... well.
I have 6.278221208665906 as my vote/answer ratio. And the last data dump is pretty old.
I have 4.6073546856465.
20:03
@Mysticial Btw, it's score/answer, not upvotes (i.e. if you have +1 and -1 it counts 0, not 1).
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right. It probably won't matter much since downvotes are so rare anyways.
To count votes I'd need some inner joins.
I have 1.132132132132132
And my SQL is rusty.
I suck :(
20:04
I don't exist in that data dump. So I'm zero.
hey guys!
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Got starred! How unsurprising! You guys are too predictable! :P
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20:06
@sbi Woot, I'm half a point better :P
That data dump is in real need of an update.
@Mysticial I know. I don't even exist :(
and I'm at least 4 months old.
@Rapptz a 4 month old shouldn't be on this website, you have to at least be 13 to be a member!
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but since you are still answering questions, whereas I have mostly stopped doing so about, uh, two years ago? — you are actually much better than I am.
20:08
@TonyTheLion Well 4 months is about 122 days so I'm well over 13.
@sbi Wait, was that a compliment? I was expecting you to use "I stopped answering questions a long time ago" as an excuse.
I'd be amused to see average upvote/answer normalized by the average score of answers in that tag.
@Rapptz 4 months != 13 years
@TonyTheLion Reminds me of the guy who "quickly leveled-up" from 12 to 13 so that he wouldn't get suspended for being underaged.
@Mysticial Runs rather slow, it seems.
20:09
@TonyTheLion Not in my world.
"How Unsung am I?" sounds kind of dirty.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your git-question would probably be near the top of your list.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, since I am mostly amassing rep on old answers, but don't write many new ones, my numbers ought to be better, no?
If you mean if I have the "unsung hero" badge, then I'm not in that league
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20:12
@Mysticial Interesting, indeed. That one tells me that my operator overloading FAQ question earns me 1.3 rep/day, while the most-upvoted answer (twice the rep per upvote) only earns 0.97. I didn't know that.
@Mysticial Yes, it's second.
Interesting.
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Q: Can I use Boost::Asio and not worry about network programming problems?

user1676145I have to make a server in my current project but I don't have any or little experience in this area. My question is, can I just use Asio in my project and it will simply handle any problems a normal server has to face (partial reads, multithreading problems, ...)? (My server will have to handle...

lol @ title
@Mysticial It's second but the results are skewed towards the first one: only 152 days counted, versus 1000+ days counted on the git one.
I want the gold badge. Maybe one day.
20:14
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's averaged out though.
I want a lot of things.
but I don't have them
so fuck it
only half day work tomo
Hi Cat\
That query is somewhat mislabeled. It fails to account for the repcap. But that's not really relevant much anyways.
not much
Sup with you?
still writing Java?
@TonyTheLion No work tomorrow for me!
20:19
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh you lucky :)
what you doing instead?
answering questions on SO? :P
Dunno yet. I really need to rest.
I spent 12 hours travelling yesterday. Was really tiring.
woah
where from?
From Algarve.
20:20
ohh
There was some train-car collision and that wrecked all the train schedules. So I spent many hours sitting waiting for the damn train.
oh that sucks :(
I assume you were on holiday?
And I was supposed to switch trains upon reaching Porto, but since we arrived there two hours late, that train was lost. So I had to wait one more hour.
@TonyTheLion Nope.
@Mysticial auto updates are working for SO now.
urgh, I hate when that happens
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh noes
20:24
@Rapptz not really... I just got an upvote a few minutes ago and it didn't update... It's pretty intermittant right now.
They randomly work and not work.
@Mysticial Sounds normal.
Well they're working for questions.
@TonyTheLion Oh noes, why?
@R.MartinhoFernandes cause holidays is fun.
20:26
and if it wasn't holidays, then maybe it wasn't as fun. (don't mind my strange reasonings)
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every time I get an upvote ^
Haha you too? xD
@TonyTheLion Well, I certainly wasn't as fun, but some good came out of it (we've got one investor!), so I'm happy.
Same here. I get a lot more excited about upvotes on old answers than I do on new things.
@R.MartinhoFernandes well that's a good result :)
20:27
I'm 12 points from 1k
Cant wait
@Borgleader liar
2 pts now
double upvote
20:28
liar liar, pants on fire
LOL
@Cat came to mind :P
@TonyTheLion I don't think @CatPlusPlus hates @DeadMG.
What kind of laptop is that.. That's a brick.
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think so either. I was just lolling :P
@Rapptz one for cats obviously
one on which they can walk with their paws
@TonyTheLion xD
20:35
A downvoting spree. Is there a "serial downvote checker"?
I know there is one for upvotes
I don't know
I'm not really downvoting anyone, hell I'm not even in a bad mood.
I just had 28 answers down-voted in the space of two minutes. Not one comment to any one of the down votes. WTF?
for once :)
@DavidHammen Seriously?
@DavidHammen :(
20:37
Seriously.
@LewsTherin Srsly FTFY
If it's serial downvoting, it'll be reversed.
@TonyTheLion xD It needs no fixing!
How to report?
@DavidHammen Damn that sucks, I had someone do that to me to and I don't know why :(
@CatPlusPlus Good to know.
20:39
@DavidHammen Don't need to. That's way more than enough to trigger the automatic fraud script.
Rollbacks on those are automated. Or you can whine on meta.
@DavidHammen You should take it to meta, I've got the popcorn ready.
I've never been thrilled with those random drive-by down voters. Being hit with 28 in short order kinda sucks.
Everytime someone goes to meta:
Rep is useless.
You should be happy someone hates you enough to serial downvote you.
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20:43
@DavidHammen No need to. See here.
@DavidHammen But damn... that's a lot of downvotes. Any idea what might have ticked it off? I don't see any arguments in your recent comments.
It's the internet, everything is useless
It means you ruin their day without doing anything!
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@CatPlusPlus Nihilist @Cat!
So now I finished a cool project at work where I got to learn new stuff, do something I've not done before. Now tomorrow it's back to the same old bug fix and functionality changes in a large code base. Bleh!
I would almost rather slit my wrists.
20:48
@TonyTheLion Damn it.. You're not Your ;( Why do people mess that up.
cause people suck at English
@Rapptz Your wrong! :-)
Don't provoke grammar Nazis
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> If you're going to call me a grammar nazi, can you at least capitalise Nazi please? — Adam Kay
20:51
@Chimera Hmm, I can see some of Cat's personality got into you.
@R.MartinhoFernandes LOL, really?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Cat would never talk about slitting his wrists. He'd be slitting his paws.
@TonyTheLion He got some of Cat's personality, not Cat's body.
I'm usually more upbeat. I just don't look forward to going back to the old routine.
20:54
lol
I thoroughly enjoyed writing some completely new software. Now it's back to some fucking maintenance programming for a while.
I only double slit.
yea we all get to do maintenance, don't we
lol
@CatPlusPlus Remember, lengthwise.
@TonyTheLion Yes, it's part of the gig I guess.
20:59
If you never maintain any code, you can't possibly know how to write good code.
Hy everyone :)

Is there any example(code) which describes loose and tight coupling(on same example), i know what is loose and tight coupling, but i found very hard to apply loose coupling in projects or to see where things go bad with tight coupling.


(i saw this example: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/226977/what-is-loose-coupling-please-provide-examples
but i dont learn enough from that)

Thanks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's very true.

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