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00:11
Seattle museum of pop culture sucks
 
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03:20
So 6 days ago, we mowed the lawn near the creek so we can survey the land for the bridge building. Today I found 5 piles of animal poops on roughly 6 square metres of mowed lawn.
03:38
I reckon a small patch of mowed lawn next to the creek would be one of the best places to install a wildlife poop camera!
04:15
@Mikhail Seattle ... pop culture. Like ... lol.
I have been to Seattle twice, no one has ever recommended the museum of pop culture to me.
You could try one of the hiking trails if you are in Seattle. Personally I think some of them are great.
Looks like Sydney will be in lockdown for quite sometimes, the thing I have been worrying for the past 15 months is happening - looks like we are stuck on this big island for quite sometime.
 
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14:36
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Cool Never Seen More Than 10 Members Here 15 This Time
are we going to do the "cya tomorroy; last seen online 5 years ago" memes?
I mean the vast majority of people migrated over to discord
which I barely pay any attention to because it's noisy
@Mgetz he he never used that thing
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Discord is fine once you mute most channels 🤡
and then there are people inappropriately using ping replies here... sigh
That's what I did
14:41
@Agent_A do you have sounds in this chat on? 1 2 3 4 5 6
@PeterT yeah
ok, just checking
Volume : 0 🙂
How old's this room?
the tenth ever created for this domain
you can see in the URL
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I made a Discord bot function that puts a :pingangry: reaction under messages that ping people with the Do Not Ping role.
14:43
lol
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> Oct 15 '10 7:55 AM
At least that seems to be the first message.
Have seen many chats of 7-8 Years Old
@nwp cool I'm older than this room
this chat has single handedly been a ton of drama for SO
@Agent_A Please avoid ping replies unless context is not otherwise derivable or there is a lot of chat between the message you're replying to
Okay
15:12
I have seen many competitive programming sites article's saying that at max c++ can perform 10^9 Operation/Second
Is that true
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No
under what parameters?
Lemme search the article
what is "an operation"
because I'm 99% sure NVidia would dispute the hell out of that
also what Peter said
Because if your parameters are a 1GHz CPU with a single core... then that's pretty good honestly ;p
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15:16
The whole question is ill-formed. C++ doesn't perform operations. Even if you interpret it as the number of operations a computer programmed using C++ it doesn't make sense since that just depends on the computer in use. Also C++ supports inline assembly and noops can be executed very fast, so I don't see how to make that a meaningful statement.
as it's literally the golden 1 IPC
I think a pentium 2 had 1GFLOP single precision floats
so I guess if you're running on a pentium 2, they might be right
Pentium2 was definitely not a Gflop
it was MFlop
you can't exceed your clock speed
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You can't? I thought exactly that is the point of having multiple ALUs that can perform operation in parallel.
15:20
Let me rephrase that... "You can't exceed your operations port with times your clock speed"
and the P2 only had one 64bit op per clock at best
but I'm pretty sure 64bit ops on a p2 were two cycles
In computing, floating point operations per second (FLOPS, flops or flop/s) is a measure of computer performance, useful in fields of scientific computations that require floating-point calculations. For such cases it is a more accurate measure than measuring instructions per second. == Floating-point arithmetic == Floating-point arithmetic is needed for very large or very small real numbers, or computations that require a large dynamic range. Floating-point representation is similar to scientific notation, except everything is carried out in base two, rather than base ten. The encoding scheme...
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You can probably fit 8 noops in there that can be executed in a single cycle.
yeah, the wiki page linked to something else, and that page listed the Pentium 3 as 1 GFLOPs (single precision floats)
P3 ran at up to 1GHz
and had SSE
but it was also single threaded
it lists 1GFLOPs for the 500Mhz model though
I guess that's what they used SSE for
FP32?
or FP64?
Because I'm pretty sure the P3 couldn't do 128bit wide vectors in one cycle
P4 'could'
it was one of the major shifts
if any P3 could it would have been Tillamook
15:25
I would assume single precision
derp Tualatin
SP doesn't count for Top500 ;p
so I don't usually consider it
so ADDPS has a latency of 3 and a reciprocal of 2
for single precision
that smells to me like it's still using x87 internally
so it was almost like an "API" update? still using the same "implementation" internally?
you tell me
it does look faster than x87 raw out
buuuut just barely
1.5 maybe?
and no double precision support
that's significantly changed with Pentium M (P7) where it was a 1 cycle and 0.5 reciprocal so you could issue two per cycle
including double precision
oh derp that's integer
FP is the same as P3, but can do double precision too
so we've concluded that the online judge system for those competitive coding sites runs on Pentium III
15:46
or a vsphere implementation that similarly cripples throughput
which would be likely
servers are usually focused on either throughput or latency, not both
but honestly as the question was originally asked is kinda meh? because A) define a loop? B) what's the operation?
if your op is compilable to rep stringop then it's going to be blazing fast
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The original meaning seems to have nothing to do with assembler instructions and instead be a rule of thumb about how many loop iterations per second you can expect in an ideal scenario which is then used in combination with complexity theory to estimate if the given algorithm will be fast enough.
to which the answer is always: It depends?
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It seems like reasonable guidance to decide if you can afford an O(n²) algorithm or if you have to keep looking for the O(n*log(n)) version.
Then again I never wrote code optimized for implementation speed.
16:02
I've run into it once or twice, and on profile realized we were doing something really really stupid
and on fixing went from minutes to nanoseconds
things like always parsing XML from the root etc

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