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4:38 AM
@Mikhail Reminds me of NASA's Rules for Developing Safety Critical Code
 
They'd need less asserts if they were using C++ enums and strong bound checking :-)
 
 
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6:46 AM
Not that again
 
 
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9:57 AM
@Mikhail That doesn't sound super convenient for some classes of algorithms
 
 
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2:14 PM
One day C++ will become most popular language again
 
Would that really be for the greater good
 
ofcourse. C++ is the most complete language. I think only 2 things are lacking as of now:
1. Extensive libraries to do stuff in easier way (like python).
2. Smart enough programmers to comprehend the syntax of C++
 
The problem isn't the lack of libraries, it's the lack of a comprehensive package manager
 
I second that
 
Conan is a nice effort though
 
2:22 PM
Checking it out, it looks good.
maybe this is the future.
 
Its big issue is that it has to adapt to the mess that's the underlying ecosystem
 
I've used DDS package manager but found it very prone to mistakes. Or maybe it's because I am a noobie
 
Which is the opposite of a trivial problem
I've used Conan and it helped a whole lot last year to build a project that had around 100 dependencies, but even with it it was still a full job to maintain the dependencies
 
 
2:47 PM
I think a more realistic theory is that this virus is man made but leaked accidentally.
What the origin of Ebola, SARS and AIDS? Did they suddenly emerge? Did they evolve from other streams of viruses? Or have people been dying from them for years, but no body knew.
 
3:04 PM
@Morwenn 100 dependencies. WTF
 
@StackedCrooked Not 100 direct dependencies, but it was the number of packages once you took into account the transitive dependencies
 
Hm, that's still a lot.
 
We had Qt, OpenCV, VTK and PCL, so that was already a lot of transitive dependencies
And tensorflow rolf
 
I'm considering introducing Conan at my workplace.
Do you think it's best to have a company-local conan server (artifactory?)
Or better to use the public repositories?
 
It's definitely better to have your own company's server
Because last I checked it was super easy to break anything, and you still have to write your own recipes sometimes and upload them there
 
3:12 PM
I'm even considering writing our own Conan packages. For example the public Conan package for the boost library requires so many options in our conan file. If I wrote my own Conan package and stored it on our own company server, then I could make it use the defaults settings that most of our projects need (multithreaded, static linking, ...). So our project's conan files wouldn't need to be cluttered with options.
@Morwenn Yeah, I was thinking that.
 
You want to be able to have a mostly reproducible environment across dev machines, so you probably want to look into lockfiles and revisions to avoid package updates or recipe updates breaking things on a daily basis
 
Cool, never heard of lockfiles and recipe updates, but I'll certainly check that out.
 
tbh I just downloaded the Conan Center packages and reuploaded them to our own server
 
@Morwenn That's what I would do as well.
 
I introduced custom recipes when the ones from Conan Center had issues I couldn't trivially solve and contribute directly to CCI
Basically Conan is still evolving fast, and so are library recipes. While such recipe updates are generally good, welcome and non-breaking, the bigger your library stack, the bigger the changes of random breakages
So you can enable revisions to point to specific recipe versions you know work for you
Lockfiles are to fix package versions (maybe not revisions) so that a conan install doesn't try to update the libraries it doesn't need to update, but uses the versions from the lockfile instead
 
3:20 PM
taking notes
 
If you hang out in the #include<C++> server or the Cpplang Slack, there are dedicated Conan channels with people ready to help ^^
And tbh their help has been invaluable when I was learning to use Conan and having a bunch of random issues
 
That's good to know.
Thanks.
 
I just want to take a moment to say cross-compiling sucks, and cross-compiling with conan sucks even more :P
They do a comparatively good job, but the way they chose to handle meson cross compilations is just insane
and not fixing it because "it could break existing recipes that rely on it being broken" is giving me headache
 
I've only played Undertale a little bit a couple of days ago, and now this music keeps sticking in my head.
Probably because a monster appears every 20 seconds and that music starts to play again...
 
3:43 PM
Using Meson was the first mistake x)
 
I'm not using meson a dependency I had did
 
Meson is communism.
 
3:57 PM
Fortunately cross-compiling has never been among my issues so far
 
 
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5:18 PM
Hello World
 
5:44 PM
Yo
 

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