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12:43 AM
Hey guys is anyone there?
 
yes
 
 
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5:49 AM
When the land is vast and the clouds are low. Picture taken a few days ago.
 
 
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9:23 AM
It's a nice picture
 
Thank you.
 
It reminds me a bit of that Windows XP default wallpaper now that I think about it
 
9:41 AM
That's flattering because none of the pictures I have taken on the rural land has been photoshopped.
 
 
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11:32 AM
As much as I support equality movement, mass protests when the pandemic is raging does not seem to be a wise thing to do. There is a real chance protesters could catch COVID-19 in a protest and soon they will really "can't breath".
 
nwp
If only there was a peaceful way to force the government to do what it should.
 
And you do expect there will be any real positive changes from the protests. Because the only possible effect my puny brain could see is the speed up spread of COVID-19.
Consider how many people sacrificed so much to stop the spread of this disease.
 
nwp
Sure there will be change. Certain police officers will get looked at more closely and I would not be surprised if there are internal orders to not cause riots by picking the one black guy from the crowd and arresting only them.
In a better world the president or presidential candidate would step up and promise to end police violence by holding them accountable for their action and requiring more body cams and more checks.
In this world, however, we don't have that. Not even from a third party. Or maybe I just missed that.
And so the situation needs to get even worse before it can get better.
 
Riot, weakened police power. Soon this will be a green light for the mob to rob the super rich in the country. Police is like a dog and government the owner. And the government runs the country and redistribute the wealth. Weaken the dog equals to weak the owner and might cause instability.
And this instability might be contagious.
I really don't want to see the world burns. Majority of the people will be worse off if it does.
 
nwp
11:50 AM
Possibly. But this risk will cause some politics to change. Not with the fascist of course, he wants to see the riots brutally suppressed. But maybe it gives rise to others that will actually change something.
Conflict like this always has steep costs to the economy and the people. But it looks like there is no other way.
 
We don't need just any change, we need change for the better. Some people have problem seeing this.
 
nwp
It's too obvious for anyone to point out.
 
If you feel treated like shit then the primary goal is not "better" but "less injustice". It doesn't matter to the subjugated if the base-line is higher, if inequality is large.
Even toddlers and many animals have a keen sense of fairness
 
12:09 PM
@TelKitty hard to say, does there need to be change: Yes... massive massive change
but there is a large and very self-interested group in keeping that change from happening
and keeping minorities from voting
and out of colleges
etc
 
I think there was a couple of reports of increased voter registration already. Seems at the very least the result is more than nothing
 
every voter matters
change happens when ballots are turned in, it doesn't matter if they actually voted in any races. Only if they could have.
the parties get lists of who voted
not how... but who
 
@nwp No, not really. There were a few major changes in the world that people become worse of. Chinese revolution 60-80 years ago, for example.
Yes, we want more equality and fairness. But no, make everyone equally poor is not a ideal solution.
Abundant resources and great freedom for everyone, on the other hand, is a positive change.
Spreading a deadly virus, is definitely not a positive change.
@Mgetz If you really care about positive change & less police brutality, you should really change your gun laws.
When police face less life threats, they will choose less physical force.
 
12:28 PM
@TelKitty Honestly? the gun laws don't help but they aren't the core of it. Not by a long shot. We've intentionally underinvested in underprivileged communities for centuries intentionally. We've then dumped the results of that in police laps as if they can fix it.
@TelKitty No honestly? there is training that we've been giving police that teaches them that it's always 'US vs. Them' and honestly if they were policing nicer places it would affect the rich more too. But we don't do that, we focus police presence in less privileged areas.
 
Then you need to tax your rich more and share it with the underprivileged. But this is exactly why Trump is elected in the first place.
Seriously, if you are the owner of a mega mansion, and you have a guard dog, would you like your dog to be friendly to everyone?
@Mgetz Your police is probably told to protect themselves before anything else. Therefore there will be a behaviour difference whether it's legal for your general public to carry a gun.
May 30 at 11:01, by TelKitty
The problem with US nowadays, IMHO, is that too many 'elites' have taken more than their own share of resources in the country without contribute to the society at least as much.
Trump was elected to be presenting the underprivileged so I was told?
I couldn't but suspect to throw Trump out of the office was the idea of some 'elites'.
Trump isn't a very competent president, but so was George W. Bush. Clinton had an affair while in the office.
 
12:44 PM
@TelKitty lol no
 
The 'elites' want the Trump to be thrown out of the offices because he hindered them from hoard more resources.
Let me refresh your memory.
 
@TelKitty congrats! You've found a map of voter disenfranchisement! the majority actually voted against him
remember we here in the US are so dumb we don't make election day a national holiday! We don't provide protection to workers from being fired for voting!
 
The west coast 'tech elites' and east coast 'finance elites' voted against him but the middle underprivileged voted for him, no?
 
Nor do we have mandatory voting
 
Especially those industrial states?
 
12:48 PM
@TelKitty it's... a lot more complex than that. But Trump was primarily elected by evangelicals that wanted conservative judges and Unions trying to send a message that they wanted less trade deals
everybody else voted for him because he was a republican
US politics is more about labels than values
because trump is not a republican ideologically at all
 
@Mgetz To protect the manufacture industry which American was built on.
 
also the vast majority of states in dark red... did their best to purge minority voters or make them not vote
@TelKitty He's said a lot about that on the campaign trail, but they didn't do much in office. If anything he's weakened protections for workers a lot
 
Also Trump is a primary example of how people wanted the change, got the change and things become worse.
 
except they didn't? The changes he made weren't to help workers
They wanted an end to the slaughter of unions
instead they've been hurt more
 
That's what I said: people wanted the change (Trump because his promise), got the change (Trump was elected) and things become worse.
 
12:54 PM
The only thing they've gotten was the trade deal bits, but that's all temporary
 
He renegotiated NAFTA and left TPP, I might not agree with what he does, but he certainly did something
 
@PeterT except Obama had already done those things, literally everything he 'renegotiated' was already in TPP. And by leaving TPP he gave China carte blanch to take over the trade we were giving up
we'll never recover from the damage he did to certain farm markets
 
Like I said, I don't agree with it. Holding China to task is a neat idea, but doing it bilaterally makes the USs position weaker, not stronger
 
don't get me wrong TPP had some stinkers, but it was literally designed to cut china out.
 
We definitely need smarter leaders who actually think for their people. You give dumb people power, they make the change and everything becomes worse.
 
12:59 PM
@TelKitty I think elliot engel said it best "If I didn't have a primary I wouldn't give a shit"
They only care about getting re-elected, if you want a voice you need to vote even if you don't actually vote in any of the races.
As long as a valid ballot is turned in they get notice you voted and they have to care about you.
 
 
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nwp
2:19 PM
@TelKitty That's like saying "You shouldn't write bugs when programming, some people have problem seeing this." It's not the lack of foresight, it's the lack of ability. And when you have riots in the streets it becomes rather difficult to ensure the resulting change will be positive.
 
@nwp made worse when there is a concerted campaign to turn protests into riots.
 
 
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