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7:52 AM
So for Android (not sure if it's samsung specific) the keyboard can no longer be hidden using the default keyboard setting?
 
8:04 AM
My recent coliru links appear broken. Someone here was managing that server, if I recall. Was that @StackedCrooked?
 
8:37 AM
@MooingDuck How recent are those links? Last time I had some data loss was over a year ago I think.
 
 
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12:50 PM
@MooingDuck who else, the website it literally coliru.stacked-crooked.com xD
 
 
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3:12 PM
I swear I feel like I'm the only one who writes:
for (size iterator = 0u; iterator ^ length; ++iterator) ...
instead of for (size i = 0; i <= n; i++) ...
 
nwp
There may be another 2 or 3 crazies out there.
 
user7659542
3:37 PM
Liechtenschtein is one of the countries with the highest GDP per capita in the world.
 
user7659542
Apparently it got there by being highly specialized in electronics and some other fields. It does high quality manyfacturing in niche fields, where a very high degree of expertise is needed.
 
user7659542
eg material for dentistry is smth they manufacture
 
user7659542
Besides rockets and satellites what is something where you need a very high level of expertise as a software engineer?
 
nwp
3:49 PM
Basically everything. Cryptography, the whole security scene, the performance scene, UI stuff, .... It doesn't really matter what the field is, it just matters how dedicated you are to being the best.
Add in all the platforms, from embedded to super computers.
 
user7659542
4:13 PM
@nwp I write embedded software for a living. Any suggestions? As long as it s not AI/ML.
 
nwp
Fucking garbage tools unable to cope with a space in a path. Can't even escape it. The root directory should be "⌂ " with a unicode symbol and a trailing space. Everything that can't deal with it should just die.
@traducerad Suggestions for what? You're bored and not challenged enough? Not enough pay?
 
user7659542
I am a bit worried that the entry barrier and competition in cryptography is very high because it s all just mathematics. Meaning a guy who studied construction engineering may be able to enter that field if he is good with numbers and can write a bit of code
 
user7659542
@nwp Hmm. No it s just been a while I have been wondering in what I should try to specialize. How to orient my career and business.
 
user7659542
Nowadays I do firmware and everything which is related to Unix (kernel space dev, Yocto, buildroot, etc...)
 
nwp
Do whatever seems fun to you. You don't need the market to dictate what to do. You can choose.
 
user7659542
4:16 PM
I have considered going into digital electronics (VHDL/verilog) or do PCB design
 
user7659542
@nwp I like money. #noShame
 
user7659542
and am interested in many very different thing when it comes to software
 
nwp
If you want to maximize your income go into high frequency trading or something.
You can also make 120k€ a year making Power Point plugins.
 
user7659542
the only thing I don't like is AI/ML, purely for practical reasons. You have to find data or images, make sure you indicate your things on those images, .... all that processing before actually being able to write software is what I hate
 
user7659542
@nwp let's not go over that boundary
 
user7659542
4:19 PM
@nwp turns out I also have a master's degree in economics
 
user7659542
graduated 6 months ago
 
nwp
Seems like a perfect fit then.
 
user7659542
@nwp what about aerospace? Thos are industries with a lot of money. I have specialized in that field when I was studying at uni. Did an extra year "electronics and software in aerospace applications"
 
user7659542
currently working in a different field though
 
user7659542
downside with aerospace and finance is I think it is very difficult to sell a product which you have built yourself in those industries. Because they are very regulated. If you manage to enter those markets however: $$$
 
user7659542
4:22 PM
SImilar if you work in the defence industry
 
nwp
I have no actual data about which industry pays how much.
It shouldn't be that difficult to get in. Apply at a bank and that's it.
If you want to give up software development and go into business management instead that's a different story.
 
user7659542
@nwp FAA will not let your aircraft fly willy nilly. Same goes with your satellite. And it s even harder if you made a nex gen weapon
 
user7659542
@nwp argh no... Dealing with people...
 
user7659542
50% people 50% numbers
 
nwp
@traducerad That's only partially your problem. You will not be making an aircraft, you'll be writing code and certify it.
Certifying software sucks by the way.
Almost as bad as people.
 
user7659542
4:26 PM
why? I imagine you just have to follow processes like DO178
 
user7659542
meaning you ll document everything you do, peer review by different team, every if shall have an else statement
 
user7659542
and a couple of more things
 
nwp
In practice you write the software (which is fun) and then someone notices that you need documentation which you can't write because you don't have specifications. It's essentially the same as dealing with people.
 
user7659542
lol "no specification" I thought I was the only one facing that problem regularly
 
nwp
Nope, same problem here. And we're making medical software.
With an ISO thingy that says you must have a spec before starting. Fun.
 
user7659542
4:31 PM
what are the must know ISO standards for a sw engineer in the medical field?
 
nwp
I think it was this one. I don't know. We have a single physical copy that must not be duplicated and someone took it.
 
user7659542
looks like the V cycle
 
user7659542
with a fancy name
 
nwp
It's not a bad norm. They just want you to do things like
Step 1: Think about what you want to make
Step 2: Make it
Step 3: Check if you did it right
Of course it's a little more complicated than that, but if you skip step 1 and are stuck at step 3 it's no fun.
 
user7659542
V cycle
 
user7659542
4:36 PM
ISO12207
 
user7659542
same shit
 
nwp
And then there is what I'll call "the homework strategy". You don't do your homework, you just do enough that the teacher can't give you a bad grade for not doing your homework. So you do the minimal amount that counts as "Well, technically it was done".
 
user7659542
lol
 
nwp
There is no specification. You just guess how much to do and if they tell you you need to do more then you do so. I really don't like that part.
 
user7659542
Yhea but then they ll say" but we told you to develop that one feature as well!!"
 
user7659542
4:38 PM
not written anywhere, just oral transmission
 
user7659542
yet, if you don't develop it you ll be blamed
 
nwp
I didn't really have that problem. Developing the features is the fun part that I'll gladly do instead of the rest.
The rest includes figuring out if patient data needs to be stored in encrypted form. If you need a print function. How the software will even be used. In hindsight I should just have said "I don't know, not my problem, I just do as I'm told", but past me thought being a dumb code monkey was bad.
 
@StackedCrooked four days ago? "No such file or directory @ rb_sysopen - /root/Dropbox/Coliru/Archive/IwAR1vqDMgBhlT6iCDHqMGym-HlEmPvLm41N8nb0VHMW3OI6ZKqsy6W5d99j4/main.cpp"
@Lapys doesn't work for arbitrary iterators.
 
 
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7:27 PM
Anyone else find it annoying that the standard containers/iterators only offer apis for zero/value construction, but not default construction? The only C++ apis I can find that do default construction are std::uninitialized_default_construct and std::uninitialized_default_construct_n.
 
8:09 PM
I'm wondering if my new container should offer an api for default constructing elements during resize.
@Lapys it's also less readable, for no reason
 
 
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