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12:27 AM
@traducerad buddy this is capitalism, you don't get money for being good at things, you get money for owning stuff. All the big money-makers in tech got big by making a platform that is essentially a new/different type of market and owning that market. Google as a market for ads on things people search for, Facebook as a market for ads on peoples social relationships, Amazon as a fulfilment service and easier to use market for books/other goods.
 
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Given the space balls reference, I suspect the guy shit posting is over 40
 
 
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7:36 AM
Fuck. My graduate advisor removed my author contribution statement on a big paper we're doing. I proposed and perform all experiments, and he won't let me write that I proposed the work.
Even though half of it was performed without his knowledge, and nobody else proposed anything (with the small exception of somebody saying to add a skip layer, who we added to the paper).
 
8:34 AM
How come he won't let you put your name? Do you have someone higher you can complain to?
 
I think he genuinely believes he came up with the work.
No, there is nobody I can complain too. Even borderline criminal stuff like using government resources or university resources for private companies didn't raise an eyebrow with administrators in our department. Or buying equipment using university resources from your own company at 2x+ markup...
 
I would say "stand for your work, fight for what's right", but I know it's easier said than done
 
I need to figure out how to give the guy some incentive to agree with me. The only thing I can think of is refusing to do free work for his company.
I have about 6 months until my defense, and I can feel my authorship for completed work being taken away from.
Fucking vultures.
 
@Mikhail too bad, that sounds like perfect legal blackmail material :')
Do a ThePhD and call them out on their bullshit through a blog post that you will massively share on Twitter as well as in programming and academia circles? x)
 
Problem is that everybody with an administrative role has this kind of conflict of interest, so it surprises nobody. Also the people that have the same conflict of interest are the ones that are supposed to police others.
The only real damaging thing I could do is threaten to retract my 35+ papers, but somehow this will hurt me. Also that isn't directly related to my current issue. Also won't be trivial to do.
 
8:44 AM
What a world to live in
 
So, I have the email where I directed my undergrads to do the work, in February. Then I have the presentation where I presented the results in March. Then we got good analysis in April. Then my advisor sent out an email about how great we were.
 
Pre-publish the article on arXiv with your name on it to break even :D
 
That is a copyright violation
 
yes v0v
 
All authors own the copyright to the work, in some weird joint fashion.
 
8:45 AM
This isn't less fair that not having your name appear for your work
 
In some ways its worse because I wanted to showcase this work on my CV as an example of a project that I took from conceptualization to completion. We're also targeting Science Magazine (which is a good journal).
Beyond first, second, third, etc author. Ownership of the work is more important when applying to faculty positions etc.
 
hi
Is there a free version of CLion? It says the evaluation is only 30 days.
 
There's a huge gap between "a project that I took from conceptualization to completion" and "not even my name on the paper"
@northerner I think there are free versions if you're a student?
 
I'm the first author on the paper. The problem is that there is this part of a paper called the "author contribution statement", that is the part that he removed me from.
 
oh
"thanks to XXX who totally didn't originally come up with the idea nor performed the tests thoroughly"
damn I'm glad I didn't pursue a career into academia
 
8:50 AM
At present it appears I didn't contribute too much except take the pictures. I actually proposed the experiment, built the system, wrote 99% of the code, lead a team of like 5 people for misc items, did all the analysis and integrated it into a commercial product. I did this while working on other stuff (which was also successful). Because I'm the fucking greatest I got it done in like 8 months, 2 of which were spent mostly writing (also 1 month break for my prelim).
A majority of the projects in my advisor's lab's are of my proposal, not to mention the actual construction of the system or control software.
 
oof
Just be like me and get your work mentioned despite not being academic and being mostly taken from other people x)
 
Interestingly, the only thing I took from you were sorting networks at least some of which I suspect are originals :-)
I sort my stuff on the GPU :-)
Which goes 5x walltime (on a laptop GPU) compared to fastest CPU implementations.
Fuck, its like I have all these stories of bullshit authorship but it still hurts when it happens to you.
 
Sorting networks are the only reason my library was one mentioned in a paper (without description, just a link in the prior work section)
Which is interesting considering none are original and I mentioned where I took them all from in the README
As far as I know some of the networks I have are smaller than the ones you can find in academic papers, but I didn't find them myself
 
I assumed yours were the best (I think you commented something), so I took them
They are being used for a pixelwise median filtering thing
 
I didn't think anyone would use them and thought they were only a curiosity kind of thing
Oh right, I did propose a better network than those in literature for 29 elements, but I just reapplied an old paper's method on newer networks
That said I only have those that are the most interesting size-wise, but I thought that the depth of the networks mattered most for sorting networks?
 
9:01 AM
I didn't benchmark anything, I just put them in to look cool. Also because I was too lazy to write a sorting code in CUDA.
So, if you want to combine more than like 30 pictures the program just runtime errors
 
oh xD
What kind of things have you researched so far?
 
• Projects: integrated AI into a slide scanning instrument, automated phenotypic screening of adherent cell populations, tomographic assays of neuronal traffic, high sensitivity detection of cellular cytoskeletal elements, real-time connected coordinate analysis, and user interaction, quantitative phase imaging with color and polarization Bayer-like arrays, bovine embryo quality assessment, improving reflected light DIC, tools for studying circadian rhythms using ex vivo tissue
Its mostly computational optics and applications.
So, I contributed to about 35/60 of the papers my advisor has ever published while being a PI. And all the high impact ones in the last 7 years (my tenure). I got like 3 high impact ones out.
 
Fuck, that sounds cool
Many applications in biology it seems
 
I did slave labor to help some asshole get a bunch of money. There was no useful science done.
 
That sounds less cool :/
 
9:12 AM
Yeah :-(
Also in the US, where you can be replaced by an immigrant at whim, my salary was about $30k
 
I'm working on small projects to use cheap depth camera in medical applications and we've got nice results so far - apparently there are publications in the making but I can't say I'm concerned since I'm only a contractual engineer in the project and not a researcher
Oof, that's like lower than my own salary, which already isn't super high and even less so for the US
 
Its a popular field :-)
 
The way you described where money goes feels wrong on several levels
 
Probably because is wrong. Whats really surprising, is that if people would apply more effort, or any effort, they could do great things. But its easier just to bullshit, and come home to your family every night. Even easier if you have somebody doing all your work.
We need to save science from scientists.
 
Yeah, but from what I understood even if you call out the bullshit the US will try to find and silence the whistleblower instead of actually trying to fix the overarching issues being mentioned
RIP
 
9:19 AM
No. Nobody is trying to silence whistle-blowers, and certainly nobody is effective. What really happens is that Americans understand they can't do science, and choose something else. Then the US imports easily exploitable foreigners.
 
Yeah, that does sound like systematically misaligned incentives more than individual failure
 
The only real way to solve the problems of bullshit science is to prevent scientists from judging their own work, and really prevent them from working on the same thing ad infinitum.
The exploitation in science is very much an American thing and somewhat due to ability of PIs to have easy access to vulnerable labor. The PhD students I collaborate with in Europe (France, Noreweigh) are still doing bullshit but are lot happier.
 
10:05 AM
Oh, when talking about whistleblowers I was thinking of politics more than science
It's good to know that at least everyone is doing bullshit :')
 
 
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12:33 PM
@Mikhail well it's academia, it doesn't matter if he did or didn't. Since he's the advisor he expects to take credit anyway. The small community around your specific subject might know better, but it won't matter because social norms require that they treat you like crap until you're published.
 
1:07 PM
also it's not blackmail material when there is no-one to reveal it to which would get him in trouble over it
 
1:35 PM
Mik: accepting pecking order, it's real.
 
I just tried to use cookiecutter for a project template
It looks simple enough, I like it
 
2:24 PM
@Mysticial do you use large pages for y-cruncher?
 
2:53 PM
cookiecutter was good enough for our use case and it will apparently be useful
for just a few hours of discovering the thing it's quite worth it
 
nwp
/**
 * \brief          Set a pair of delays to watch
 * \param data     Pointer to timing data
 *                 Must point to a valid \c mbedtls_timing_delay_context struct.
 */
void mbedtls_timing_set_delay( void *data, uint32_t int_ms, uint32_t fin_ms );
Then why the fuck do you take a void* and not a struct mbedtls_timing_delay_context*?
 
 
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4:29 PM
@nwp can you peek at the code? I've got a hunch they are doing some less than savory things
 
@nwp hmm they could be doing what I'm suspecting with compatible types still
it's not an uncommon thing in C
pointer to member wouldn't matter though... but yeah it shouldn't be void*
ah it's because they are using it as a callback function
 
4:56 PM
@Mgetz Yes, automatically if possible.
 
@Mysticial via malloc? or VirtualAlloc?
 
VirtualAlloc
 
5:12 PM
also woo getting rid of sscanf instances in code!
 
 
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6:32 PM
scanf is useful
 
6:44 PM
not when you're just parsing a number?
 
7:31 PM
 

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