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2:07 AM
What if a family is super rich, but instead of paying tax, the family get public fund paid to them? Don't think it's possible? Think again, such family is called royalty.
I have been a low efficiency person lately.
 
2:23 AM
Is there some MSVC intrinsic that does the ceiling operation? I really don't want to dump another header into my code
Okay, so whats the best way to explain this. I have a code from the summer. It used an std::ceil, and everything built. Pull the repo, and upgrade an MSVC minor version. Now it chokes on missing std::ceil. What exactly could have happened?
 
I don't understand why oil tankers move so slowly, aren't they all oiled up?
 
Pretty sure they move quickly at sea. But as soon as they get close to borders they have to reduce their speed because you know... inertia
 
Do you think if they go too fast they'd catch on fire because of friction?
 
nah, steel doesn't catch fire
 
Plus fire needs oxygen to burn, and an oil is tanker is mostly filled with oil, and therefore can't combust.
 
3:10 AM
Oil does not decompose easily so there is no urgency to transporting it quickly from that perspective. Without any other external factors, oil tanker probably will travel at a speed that's most economical.
 
3:30 AM
Finally got a project worth showing off
I wanted to get it on a wiki of a parent project so it can be referenced there... but the project owner rejected the PR as the other project (similar) has been there for more time
thought it's only a proof of concept with memory leaks and absolutely no tests and haven't received any update since 2017
 
 
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4:36 AM
Also why is there no std::wstring to_wstring(const char* string );
I'm too beautiful to use std::mbstowcs_s
 
because wchar type suck
 
its not fault
fuck
 
no idea why wchar_t has different size on different platform
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix - because the encoding strategies are different, and more generally the same reason why things like long, int can have different size
because different platforms made different choices
overall we can say that wchar_t was a failed attempt at solving an important problem
 
Esperanto was a better solution
 
4:47 AM
unicode and specifically utf-8 was a better solution
maybe one day in C++ we'll get it
 
Wait, don't we have utf-8?
 
no
 
Sad, so like I can't std::cout multibyte stuff?
 
@BeeOnRope I think it's a bit different, int as far as I can tell were sized accordingly to registers so on a 8bit machine an int would be 1byte
for wchar_t as I remeber, windows try to store a UTF-16 chars and wchar_t on unix would be UTF-32 I guess
except in both case it's ridiculous to use those types as a ascii code text would take 2 to 4 times more memory space.
on the other hand utf-8 is better but requires more computational power to measure its length
it's just ridiculous that wchar_t could have at least the advantage to be portable if memory usage isn't concerning
 
well no, becuase different platform took different choices even on the same hardware
e.g., long is 4 bytes on windows but 8 bytes on almost all unix-like on x86-64
so basically the primitive sizes are up to the platform and there are not rules
windows actually took a sane appraoch with wchar_t always being UCS2 but they got screwed like Java when it turned out 16 bits wasn't enough
wchar_t on unix-like is a dumpster fire and can basically be ignored
that's why unicode + utf-8 is the win
what char* is already defined another way
 
5:28 AM
ah yeah UCS2
 
5:47 AM
The hail storm that ruined my car 2 days ago. I actually parked under the roof of a petrol station & went into the store to pay for diesel, but the car front wasn't fully covered and was hit. Funny thing is that this place is 50km away from where I live. I only went there to get my new batch of baby chicks. Also ... I got 7 new baby chicks.
 
@Mikhail well you can do that with utf-8. As the interpreting part is left for the receiver, utf-8 is simply a byte stream so if you can read utf-8 from the other side it's okay.
in python it got a bit more clear with python3. str -> unicode bytes -> bytes and to get bytes from string you do str.encode('utf-8') for example
In C++, you'd probably want something like char* -> wstring if possible or to an actual Unicode type
 
6:50 AM
100 Attendees signed up for this month's A.I. in Robotics meetup. Brought to you by the one & only Telkitty (aka. yiz) ... with the help of many others :x
Also I had to check my own old apps to see what features I have implemented, then read the code to see how I implemented those features.
In case there is accidentally anyone reading this chat & would like to promote your A.I. in Robotics related ventures and become a guest speaker in one of this years events, please don't not hesitate to contact me.
 
7:53 AM
 I am using a high resolution display screen, and it is difficult to wire functions on the diagram or read VI labels. Can I zoom in or out on a LabVIEW block diagram?
LabVIEW does not provide zoom functionality. Nevertheless, there are several options for improving the readability of your code
:-(
But also WTF
An ironic listening of this song when dealing with pre-WIMPs interfaces: youtube.com/watch?v=v5I1ultWcDs
 
 
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9:24 AM
There is usually a debate about the volatile keyword, where people claim that we don't know whether we are reading cache or RAM memory
 
user7659542
But who cares?
 
@Borgleader hopefully it also means that there will be fewer ferries needed for that in the future
 
user7659542
I just read the C99 standard and it states:
 
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... at every sequence point the value last stored in the
object shall agree with that prescribed by the abstract machine, except as modified by the unknown factors mentioned previously.
116) What constitutes an access to an object that
has volatile-qualified type is implementation-defined.
 
user7659542
the language guarantees you ll read the correct value.
 
9:25 AM
@Vaillancourt oh yeah, I remember having seen those pictures before, it's impressive in a bad way
 
user7659542
Who cares if it was stored in RAM or somewhere else
 
user7659542
@Mikhail lol no, indeed, you still can't zoom out and that really sucks
 
@Mikhail actually there's a subtle standard way to perform UTF-8 conversions through std::filesystem::path
 
@Morwenn doesn't work on windows
at least not with the msvc implementation
 
damn
 
9:29 AM
oh, I mean it works but it's deprecated in C++20
I remembered that wrong
 
right
Anyway, it's the time for my daily café/croissant
 
 
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user6461957
11:37 AM
@Morwenn aw, you're sooo French! :P
 
user6461957
11:49 AM
(I guess I will do a regular session of consuming pretzels & coffee everyday.
So that I can breath the pretzel, feel the pretzel & become a pretzel: https://youtu.be/utYsQTUae5w)
 
1:15 PM
@d03 Only for a few specific things :p
 
user6461957
I have a question, can you even contribute to the Linux kernel having a pseudonym?
 
why would the linux kernel of all places care about your name?
 
user6461957
True.
 
I understand that question for open source projects where you need to sign a CLA, but the linux kernel? nah
 
user6461957
Also you can find people not using their real names: github.com/torvalds/linux/graphs/contributors
 
1:24 PM
@d03 expect a LOT more scrutiny if you're a new contributor. Particularly if you don't use a real name
 
github accounts are a bit different compared to mailing list names though
 
Linus and BSD are very cautious with new contributors in general (mostly because they don't know the ropes) but also because they don't know the person's motivations.
Governments have tried to sabotage both projects before
 
user6461957
I mean my email is linked to my GitHub, see: github.com/d03
 
user6461957
And I don't have my real name tied to that address...
 
user6461957
(I am doing it like Morwenn)
 
user6461957
 
user6461957
@Mgetz so I have to make it clear that I am not a government agent?
 
@d03 no, because if you tried you'd just make them more suspicious. I didn't mean it that way anyway. You just need to be transparent about what you're doing
There are non-government folks that would love to add all sorts of garbage to Linux/BSD
stuff that fundamentally conflicts with the governance and ideology behind the projects
 
user6461957
I see. So I can get by with a pseudonym? But there's more scrutiny b/c I could be someone who is doing harm...
 
you've probably heard of Linus' rants at people when some of that crap gets through
 
user6461957
Yep. He hates anonymous people as far as I remember.
 
1:30 PM
What does it even matter, you need to get past the subsystem maintainers anyway
 
Which is the real hurdle
if you can get past them Linus doesn't tend to object because he doesn't have time to personally vet anybody
They tend to be brutal however
 
you might get slightly more leeway if you have an @intel.com on your email and a lot more leeway if you have already contributed a bunch, but if you're new, you're new. I don't think a pseudonym changes that much
 
@PeterT Only in intel drivers. They don't give anyone leeway outside of prior contribution areas
and even in intel drivers you'd be responsible to the driver maintainer
 
user6461957
I could also use my real name on my GitHub, but then if I work at some company and I have to sign a stupid contract where I can't write a specific app, and my employer finds me violating the contract, then I guess I am screwed. Mikhail said that it happened to him once.
 
A pseudonym won't save you from the lawyers
 
user6461957
1:33 PM
Do you guys use your real names or pseudonyms on GitHub?
 
trust me
 
user6461957
So using a pseudonym doesn't make much sense?
 
the latter generally, and trust me if you have one of those contracts... it just kills your open source contributions
I use a different work github but it's still not safe to do OSS contributions when my employer can claim them
 
user6461957
Damn, so I have to be careful about the contracts.
 
Yeah knowingly obscuring things is considered bad faith by lawyers
and courts REALLY don't like it
 
user6461957
1:35 PM
My current contract (I am a student employee) tells me that I cannot have stocks of competing companies in my portfolio.
 
user6461957
I don't think Microsoft qualifies as a competing company, since I work in the embedded field (automotive industry).
 
user6461957
We in fact use MS products.
 
user6461957
I hope my contract isn't limiting in future. I guess I have to reread it again.
 
user6461957
If I can't contribute to open source projects it would be really bad for me.
 
@d03 that seems highly illegal in most jurisdictions
 
user6461957
1:44 PM
Okay, so my contract tells me to not make products or work for a competing organization for as long as I work there. There's nothing that tells me that I can't work on open source projects unless that open source project is somewhat tied to a competing organization.
 
@d03 which linux and BSD most likely are because everybody contributes
 
user6461957
:/
 
user6461957
I find such contracts that make lifetime prohibitions stupid, but at least I am limited not for a lifetime.
 
user6461957
Imagine accepting a job where the contract you sign limits you for a lifetime and you only work there for 3 months or so. That's so stupid!
 
@d03 That is almost certainly unenforceable unless they want to pay you for life
 
user6461957
1:50 PM
Oh, then I probably misunderstood something. Are there even such contracts out in the wild?
 
user6461957
I mean contracts that make lifetime prohibitions?
 
user6461957
I once heard that from someone where the person got a contractual prohibition for a lifetime. Maybe I misunderstood the person...
 
people write all sorts of unenforcable stuff into contracts, just because it's written in the contract doesn't mean it's lawful
 
2:10 PM
There's a lot of stars on not-starboard-worthy messages lately
 
I blame the new guy
 
user6461957
Yes
 
user6461957
It was me. :(
 
user6461957
(I can't help, I find them all useful/interesting. I am sorry.)
 
We tend to star messages that are either really interesting or great puns :p
 
user6461957
2:14 PM
I almost stared your comment... Phew!
 
x)
 
@Morwenn fixed
 
nwp
Mgetz the star destroyer.
 
user6461957
@Mgetz Okay, I will try my best to abstain from staring too much. I might have stardinitis.
 
@nwp Queue imperial march
 
user6461957
2:23 PM
Well, I almost stared nwp's comment... It was a great pun actually.
 
user6461957
Anyway, back to studying for my exams. First is on Monday =.=.
 
Good luck with that
 
user6461957
Thank you!
 
nwp
If you fail change your subject to social sciences and write a dissertation on the rise and fall of the lounge.
 
user6461957
xD
 
3:16 PM
Wow, some discussions about how you can implement std::begin and std::data for arrays of unknown bound but not std::end nor std::size
How much code would this break
Apparently it's even funnier with array sof incomplete types
 
 
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6:10 PM
@Morwenn the llfio proposal seems neat
(<http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2020/p2052r0.pdf>)
 
 
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7:17 PM
"Actually, Jupiter already has a very impressive ring system!" --someone who knows Jupiter is within earshot
2
 
 
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8:25 PM
@Borgleader I haven't paid much attention to Niall proposals lately: too much material and IO isn't among the parts of the language that get me excited ^^'
Jaturn x)
 

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