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12:32 AM
Why is there no "catch a bus" meme or image macro that has someone literally trying to catch a bus?
 
 
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1:36 AM
Bought a concrete mixer and get it delivered from another part of the same city. It has been 8 days and still not arrived. Called Australian Post and hearing 'to ensure high quality of services'. I was thinking to myself 'high' quality of services? Even a turtle could have crawled the same amount of distance in short amount of time.
8 days to travel 40km must be very hard for the post office.
Consider both pickup and delivery point are within the biggest city of Australia, Australia probably has the worst post office performance amongst ALL OEDC countries. If you are slow, fine. But can you at least not lie and telling everyone how you have a high quality of services?
 
2:14 AM
Monitoring the rfs fire near me is so interesting - more exciting than the HK protests and SE protests ... combined.
 
@Mgetz are you saying that they always have a load or that they can't get more than 5% cpu
 
 
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4:29 AM
When the fire around Sydney is of bigger area than Sydney itself.
 
 
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9:06 AM
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@Mikhail lol
 
 
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11:57 AM
What exactly makes assembly code special? It still needs to go through an assembler before it can be executed. Is it just that it has a one-to-one correspondence with machine code which can be directly executed by CPU? Do all C++ compilers compile t o assembly before it becomes machine code?
 
12:14 PM
@northerner no, compilers typically don't do an assembly intermediate step
they do have their own internat intermediate representations though
and most can output to assembly instead of machine code (commonly with the flag -S) if requested
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix because they are coded such crap that they don't scale past one thread if that
 
 
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1:26 PM
This is so annoying, I can't seem to find many map with compass on the internet
I need to know true north of area and there is none to indicate the direction.
Luckily I have a 30 year old Atlas.
 
 
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6:58 PM
If you want the true North then magnetic North won't be enough
 
 
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user7659542
8:11 PM
I beliece as a software architect you have to be the most competent on a technical level and know the product better than anybody else
 
Nah, you just have to fake it until it makes it to prod :')
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user7659542
Who on earth promotes a dev that lacks both of those skills to architect?
 
user7659542
He is average at both
 
Who on Earth? I don't know, there's gotta be a bunch of people
 
user7659542
drives me crazy. I have to correct him all the time when he speaks and when he tries to do something on his own he actually asks to one of our senior engineers how to do it and afterwards acts towards the rest as if the approach in question was his idea
 
user7659542
8:16 PM
@Morwenn Such things can't be true at "respectable" companies, like FAANG
 
lol
 
large company only means that you have more representations from all levels of the bell curve
 
user7659542
@PeterT lol
 
Software architect needs to know how to avoid common pitfall when designing the high-level software architecture
Some aren't the most competent or know the product the best, they just know which parts they need to know about and have good enough communication skills t take feedback into account x)
 
user7659542
@Morwenn He knows that "it would be good to somehow have a modular architecture". But that's it. He doesn't know how to implement it and doesn't know anything concrete
 
8:18 PM
@Morwenn ...or sometimes just has to know where a body or two is buried. Or occasionally just be the son in law (or whatever) of somebody with influence.
 
Now if they actually suck at C++ it can be a non-issue
 
@traducerad everybody they are confident, charismatic and good at communication. Actual technical knowledge is optional
 
@traducerad oh, I'm not saying the specific person you're talking about deserves to be where he his xD
 
user7659542
Name me 1 company who doesn t care about modularity? None. So such idiotic claims will always be correct. And the biggest retards will believe he is a genius, while he is merely stating the obvious
 
user7659542
@Mgetz IMO such traits may lead you to project management roles and such but not to an architect role
 
user7659542
8:20 PM
that s just crazy.
 
@traducerad I can't directly because of client confidentiality. But it's super common for big balls of mud to be a thing
 
Implying people above him make a difference
 
@traducerad what do you think most 'architects' are?
also most architects I know are hamstrung by management anyway
 
user7659542
@Mgetz The ones I met in the past were incredibly talented: technically, on a communication level and regarding product knowledge
 
user7659542
8:21 PM
they were better than everybody
 
user7659542
because they spent their entire days and nights doing those things
 
user7659542
OK, I want to become the architect between now and the 6 upcoming months. What should I do? If such incompetent people manage to get such I role, I must be able to get to that level too.
 
@traducerad I know a lot of architects that haven't coded in years. More that are glorified intermediate devs or dev leads. The final group are those actually trying but completely powerless to actually do anything.
@traducerad start by reading Domain Driven Design, By Eric Evans
if you don't run away you MIGHT be suitable
 
user7659542
@Mgetz I write embedded software in C. Please don't shoot me. Is this book still applicable?
 
not going to lie most people can't make that jump
@traducerad Yes, but because it uses examples in Java you'll probably just dismiss it
if you can get past that it has really really good lessons
 
user7659542
8:25 PM
Alright, I will look at it!
 
just a warning... your head will hurt
 
user7659542
@Mgetz what do you mean by glorified dev leads? That they are, in some sense, overly qualified? What makes them powerless? Internal politics?
 
I'd also read at least a little of The Peter Principle, to help inure yourself to the fact that such shit happens everywhere, and has for decades.
 
Most architects I've seen didn't have time to work of the code they wish they could be working on anymore
 
user7659542
@Mgetz I write object oriented code in C, so I believe I have proper basic knowledge to understand the concepts and so on
 
8:26 PM
It seemed like a sad job mostly
 
@traducerad They are basically given dev tasks instead of being allowed to architect. As for being powerless because they aren't actually given any power or consultation.
 
user7659542
@Mgetz lol...
 
You design shit and watch the dev team not respect the philosophy of the overall design because features that you weren't asked to think about need to be integrated and they don't have time to ask you about them - and neither do you
 
e.g. they work in a waterfall design where the design and solution comes from their boss or the client and that person doesn't know crap
 
user7659542
@Morwenn hits home. Hard.
 
user7659542
8:28 PM
@Mgetz yep, system engineers and customers should just tell what they want without dictating how to do it.
 
See? If you actually care you end up depressed, so of course people who don't actually care about good design could end up in these positions
 
@traducerad no they should explain the problem
they should NEVER give direct requirements
 
user7659542
very common mistake I belive. Because, system engineers (where I work) jhave been around for years and therfor know everything including your job
 
user7659542
@Mgetz depends... System engineer gives system requirements, but not software requirements
 
Now I'm only partially telling the truth: most projects I've worked on lately were mostly designed on the fly and there isn't any software architect x)
 
user7659542
8:30 PM
customers don t give requirements strictly speaking. They tell what they want and what their problem is
 
@traducerad lol
 
user7659542
@Mgetz assuming they know what they want
 
@Morwenn requirements... acceptance criteria... what are those!?
@traducerad lol, more often than not they think they know what they want, and it's what they already have and not what they need
 
user7659542
lol
 
@Mgetz All that matters is that I'm paid for my time :D
 
user7659542
8:32 PM
@Morwenn except the architect, who is a retards, gets paid double of your salary
 
my experience is that customers don't know what they really want, they want something that does X better that looks exactly like Y but Y has nothing to do with X
 
@traducerad there isn't one
Also I'm clearly not paid much compared to what I could ask if I wanted to move away
 
user7659542
@Morwenn who guarantees the homogenity of your product and development accross teams and projects?
 
But eeeeeeh effort and I'd have to stand up for myself
@traducerad It's actually a post-research yet pre-industrial project, so as long as we present a solution another company wants to buy, pick apart and code again from scratch to actually make benefit from it we're good v0v
 
user7659542
Am I the only one who gets frustrated when I spend "hours" configuring a tool and environment to get started than rather coding?
 
user7659542
8:35 PM
I find this so irritating sometimes
 
@traducerad I'm devops this is my job
 
Oh yeah, configuration is annoying af
 
my job is literally making sure devs don't need to do that
 
But I've been some ad-hoc build engineer for months so it's my life now
Same, my job is to suffer to make sure that other devs have to suffer less
 
That's how I got into Devops
 
user7659542
8:37 PM
I fckin hate cygwin
 
use WSL?
 
And I still have to debug the Git, CMake, Conan and otherwise compile issues on the other devs computers
 
user7659542
I think it is horrible, very often I am building large projects and it starts mixing compilation output from previous builds
 
user7659542
@Mgetz WSL?
 
I do call the sysadmin myself when I fuck up my Linux because system isn't really among my skills
 
8:38 PM
why even use cygwin nowadays, I haven't seen anything that either mingw or wsl aren't better suited to
 
user7659542
@Morwenn good way to get a raise
 
user7659542
If only you stood up for yourself
 
@traducerad haha no, I work in consulting: the easiest way to get a raise is to change companies
 
^this
they basically only give COL raises
and sometimes not even that
 
user7659542
8:39 PM
@Mgetz Oooh! Yes, I ve seen one guy use that once. I tried installing it, didn't work for some reason and then never looked at it again. So you are suggesting this?
 
yes, because it sucks less than cygwin
 
user7659542
@Morwenn changing to another company while working for the same consultancy firm is not really changing
 
I negotiated a 4.6% raise with my N+1 last year and the N+2 or N+3 or whoever it is who handles that just went "lol 2.4%" and everything is made so that complaining is too difficult
 
user7659542
@Morwenn I got 30% in 2 years
 
by "changing companies" I'm talking about leaving the consultancy company
And are you more happy now?
 
user7659542
8:41 PM
@Morwenn yes, but I work as a freelancer nowadays
 
user7659542
I refused the 30% at the same company and went freelance instead
 
Oh yeah, I couldn't find the motivation to freelance anyway
 
user7659542
Pay is way better.
 
user7659542
So that is a huge argument/motivation imo
 
yeah but then you're responsible for everything
 
8:43 PM
I'd just end up not starting and not doing shit until I don't have money anymore and wait for another company to hire me and ask what there's a two years gap on my resume x)
If pay was a real motivation I would have moved abroad
 
user7659542
@Mgetz I am a relatively acertive and undertaking person
 
user7659542
not sure "undertaking" is the most suited adjective
 
I am on crap I care about
 
So how come you're still dealing with incompetent software architects? x)
 
but I'm not exactly charismatic, and I'm crap at selling myself
 
user7659542
8:45 PM
sucks
 
I'm also blunt to a fault
 
tbh I just want to not work
 
user7659542
@Mgetz btw that is the type of positive stress I need to improve myself and try to stay at the top of my game
 
but then I'd most likely spend my days crawling in a circle and bored to death
 
user7659542
being an employee doesn't motivate me enough
 
8:48 PM
"positive stress" isn't a thing in my life
 
user7659542
@Morwenn have you deleted your reddit account?
 
user7659542
@Morwenn lol
 
I'm just trying to survive
 
why would I have deleted my Reddit account?
 
user7659542
@Morwenn well you can use your account (with all your pics) to browse Reddit
 
user7659542
8:49 PM
rather than being bored
 
I'm already doing that
 
user7659542
Great
 
still boring
 
user7659542
Btw, they now have those live streams!
 
user7659542
I absolute love those
 
user7659542
8:50 PM
hahah
 
there's only so many things you can do to keep the bore away
 
user7659542
@Morwenn Stoicism. Nice
 
nah, just depression
 
I have the only thing I need to stave off boredom, the "Cats at <employer>" channel in slack
 
@Mgetz Well, what they already have minus one or two specific annoyances (which, more often than not, stem from somebody else's absolute requirement that isn't open to modification at all).
 
8:57 PM
@JerryCoffin pretty much, but they're not allowed to keep what they have because exec X or Y (whom is also the source of the annoyances) says they can't stay on that platform
this is literally oracle's business model btw...
 
@Morwenn I'm (ever so peripherally) in your life, and I'm positive that I cause stress. :-)
 
Why would you? :o
You occasionally keep my mind focused on kinda pleasant things, which is rather good
 
@Morwenn My mere existence seems to cause some people stress.
 
I'm not one of those people apparently :p
 
Let me see if I can change your mind. I recently had the temerity to say that I didn't think the evidence the US House of Representatives has compiled for impeaching Trump was compelling. Particularly, I pointed out that compelling evidence ought to include at least some indication of who put the aid to the Ukraine on hold. That's the whole crux of the accusation, and all the witnesses who talk about it at all just say: it was delayed, but I don't know why or by whom.
 
9:06 PM
I haven't followed the whole thing
tbh the reasons he's officially impeached are the least of my issues with him
 
Now to me, that seems like a pretty serious hole in the evidence. But, for saying that I'm now told that I'm racist, homophobic, "a blind, hypnotized Trump fan", and a few things even I (who don't object to profanity) find unrepeatable. With that given, it's pretty clear that that I must hate you quite thoroughly, and anything I say or do is intended to make you miserable.
@Morwenn More or less likewise. I find it almost incomprehensible that he could win an election to something as important as a local school board, not to mention president of a fairly large country. Nonetheless, I do entertain this (apparently silly) notion that if you're going to impeach him (regardless of how much I may personally despise him) that there should be some actual evidence of something.
 
I mean, you could have thrown lies, hate speech, etc.
 
isn't it basically tradition about now that you impeach over the obstruction/coverup rather then the crime
 
What was the saying? The constitution is made to handle such a president, but not if half of the gov is behind him
 
@Morwenn In fairness, I think at least 80% of the government (including most of the senate, who actually control it) would be happy to toss him out, but for two things. First and foremost, his approval rating hasn't cratered. And second, because although they despise him, they don't think his vice president is noticeably better (and may be worse).
@PeterT I don't know if you can call one instance a tradition. Andrew Johnson was impeached over the actual crime (albeit, breaking a law congress passed specifically to make his job/life as difficult as possible, and might well have been unconstitutional if put to the test). If Nixon had been impeached, it probably would have been for the coverup, not the original crime (but he was never impeached). Clinton was the only one impeached for the coverup, not the crime.
@Morwenn I'd be fine with making use of Twitter a crime, and impeaching him for that. And certainly, just being as much of a jackass as he is should be a crime as well. All sorts of things are entirely possible and provable. But what they've chosen instead is one where they lack even the tiniest shred of evidence in the most crucial place.
 
9:26 PM
I just read the headlines but didn't they put in both the quid pro quo and the obstruction?
Not that I would really matter to me, I'm not even on the same continent as that drama
 
Worse, given the love bureaucrats have of paperwork, memos, etc., it's one where if it actually was true there's no real room for question that there would be a trail of paperwork leading that, even if it didn't lead to him personally, at least went in the general direction of the White House.
 
I should know more about the British election than some weird US drama. But the US stuff always gets blasted all over the net
 
@PeterT To me the interesting part wasn't the actual impeachment, but the fact that even daring to suggest that there should be actual evidence of the crucial points of the crime is enough to get you branded as a pariah.
 
Well it's a very loaded topic for a bunch of people. It's hard to discuss on a factual basis for many people
 
@PeterT Quite apparently. The number of fallacious arguments I've seen (especially appeals to authority) is truly mind-boggling, at least to me.
 
9:35 PM
I saw the same issue when people tried to separate responsibility and the possibility of risk mitigation for victimization. For some people it's an ideological battle and "ceding ground to the enemy" is impossible. Because they see nuance as a case of "give them a finger and they'll take your whole arm"
I can sort of actually see their point especially when it comes to discussion with anonymous people on the internet
it's a whole different story when discussing face to face
 
@PeterT I suppose in a way, I can't blame them. Given a chance, I'd certainly prefer to have a better president. But at the same time, looking at things in the longer term, I really dislike the idea of discarding the basic tenets of the rule of law, and discarding the requirements of our constitution. That's an ugly path, to put it mildly.
 
oh yeah the impeachment in general is horrible politically for the democrats for sure. If the dude is impeached it'll probably end up like always and the next president just pardons him. But maybe 45 will go on enough twitter rampages that he won't actually get the pardon
 
@Mysticial Intel vuln de jur
 
Is that the SGX one?
 
nope, virtualization page fault EOP
 
9:44 PM
@PeterT At this point there's no question he'll be impeached, but chances of actual removal from office are slim, at best (the Republicans hold a majority in the senate, so unless public opinion on him gets drastically worse, they'll vote to acquit).
@Mgetz Damn! I really should have bought some AMD stock...
 
His approval rating is never going to drop below his ~40% base. He's staying in office.
 
Never mind that I'm married, so I'm broke. I should have done it anyway.
 
@JerryCoffin at this point I have no idea what the senate will do. I really think they'll pressure him to resign and take a pardon, but I suspect he'll refuse.
 
Aw fuck, I really need to get my ass moving on making this presentation. I have an interview the day after tomorrow and they want me give them some rando technical presentation of my choosing as part of the interview
 
I do suspect the whip count on convict is above 50 though. But it needs to be 67 to matter
 
9:47 PM
@Mgetz At this point, my opinion is that even if he personally fucks the daughter of every Trump supporter. He will still retain his 40% base. Nothing will change that. The only way he's leaving office is if he loses re-election.
 
@Mysticial I'm not sure he'd leave even then
 
@Mgetz That would make their life a bit easier, but honestly I doubt they'll even try--the only way he would take it would be in a situation like Nixon's, where he knew they were going to toss him out if he didn't resign. Honestly, I'm not sure his grasp on reality is tight enough to realize it even if he was in that situation.
 
@Mgetz Involuntarily at least. I don't think (yet) that he can turn the process inside-out and retain the presidency while losing the election.
 
@JerryCoffin my guess is that if the senate does secret ballot, he's out. If they do open ballot he's fine. They'll probably push hard to avoid even holding the trial.
@Mysticial contest it, arrest the electors it goes to a (presumably) GOP house
or arrest enough of the house to give the GOP majority
 
@Mgetz He can contest it, but I don't think he can arrest anyone. Otherwise, there would be no media left besides Breitbart and Fox. And even Fox is questionable.
IOW, if he hasn't succeeded in eliminating the media right now, I don't think he can eliminate his political opponents by force (yet).
 
9:51 PM
@Mysticial well his biggest issue is going to be the joint chiefs going "Sir we cannot accept orders from you as you are not the lawful president"
and then them immediately going to the speaker of the house for orders
tbf he wants to be impeached because it gives him an excuse to arrest his opponents for a 'coup'
that said I doubt he's thought through who would carry out those orders
 
@Mgetz They'd rather avoid it, but even McConnell has admitted that if he's impeached, they have to hold a trial.
 
@JerryCoffin I suspect right now they're trying to decide if they really want him out
 
@Mgetz Yeah--as I said earlier, their question has to be whether Pence is actually an improvement.
 
@JerryCoffin The real question is what will give them the most likely chance for their on re-election.
If voting for impeachment will hurt those chances, they will vote against it.
For Trump's base, that's an interesting question. If your senator votes to impeach Trump you'll hate your senator. But what are you going to do? Vote democrat? Try to oust your senator in the primary?
 
@Mysticial Yeah, that's probably a more salient point than I raised.
 
10:00 PM
"Normal" conservatives would likely prefer Pence over Trump.
 
@Mysticial When first elected, I'd have agreed quite easily. At this point, I'll admit I'm quite uncertain about what "normal conservatives" are thinking.
 
@JerryCoffin give how infiltrated the GRU has the GOP they may not have a choice in the matter
The "peace divided" of the cold war seems to have been solely to the GRU and FSB
 
@JerryCoffin My sample size is small. The one close friend I have who's conservative voted Hillary because Trump violated too many of his morals. I'm pretty sure he'll switch back for a more "classical" republican candidate.
 
@Mysticial Primary them out would be the obvious choice. If memory serves, we've already had elections where they voted for a corpse and an accused child molester rather than a Democrat.
 
@JerryCoffin they that corpse had good defense policy ;p
 
10:07 PM
@JerryCoffin Alabama does give some hope. A lot of traditional conservatives simply didn't vote - thus letting Doug Jones win.
So there is a line where it becomes too much.
They're still not voting democrat though.
 
@Mysticial They did in Louisiana... but it was a southern democrat
ok time to shut this machine down
 
@Mysticial I think in some cases, there's only so much you can hope for.
 
While I was at a conference in August. I had dinner with a couple of CPU architects from Texas - one of which is staunchly republican. He wrote-in instead of voting for Trump.
Given that I've only lived in blue neighborhoods, the real Trump supporter I know was my former dentist. He voted Trump because the democrats keep raising taxes. IIRC, he ended up flipping after the Trump tax thing passed.
So he was voting purely out of economic self-interest.
 
That's what a whole lot of people do though
 
@Morwenn Right. Thing is that he actually believed that Trump's tax cut thing would benefit him.
He doesn't make enough to be in that <1% tier that would benefit from it.
 
10:20 PM
I don't know the specifics of that tax
Just that it was presented as "rich people get richer, doesn't make a difference to business"
 
The best 1 sentence summary I'm aware of is that it cuts taxes for the poor and the extremely wealthy while increasing them slightly for the middle class. The result is a massive deficit.
I'd have to ask my accountant. But IIRC, I definitely caught the short-end of the bill.
 
lol
 
Most from the elimination of the various deductions.
For example mortgage deductions.
Only the middle class has mortgage deductions. The poor can't afford a house and the rich don't need a mortgage.
 
true
 
@Mysticial The rich sometimes have mortgages anyway. If you can get a rate that's lower than inflation (which happens at times, for people with good enough credit) it can be an investment.
 
10:29 PM
@JerryCoffin Interest rate so low, you would be silly to not have a loan :p
@Morwenn Magnetic North changes from time to time.
 
@JerryCoffin Exactly. But they don't "need" them.
It does let them take on more property at leverage.
 
@TelKitty my point
 
When you think about it, internet/phone location system isn't scientifically speaking, accurate. It works because it's relative and on a small scale that's not a problem :p
 
"models don't have to represent the reality exactly, they only need to be good enough to serve useful purposes"
 
10:45 PM
@Mysticial Undoubtedly true, at least in most cases anyway. Of course, it depends a bit on exactly how you define "rich" too. By the standards of the world as a whole, both you and I undoubtedly qualify as not merely rich, but super-duper ultra-rich.
 
Most people around me who aren't in the same branch consider that I'm rich
 
Secured loan (such as mortgage) has lower interest rate than a business loan here. So it makes sense re-mortgage your family home and has no debt on your business (even though it has land and hardware under it's name) if it solely belongs to you. You might save some where between $3000 - $10000 a year on the interest difference.
 
Most people who work the same kind of job on the internet consider that I'm underpaid
 
@Morwenn I'm both rich and either underpaid or conceited.
 
feels weird
 
10:56 PM
The idea of owning property is actually silly when you think about it - you visit the land that you bought and own occasionally, you go around inspect the land. The birds and other wildlife come around checking out on you, probably thinking 'what is this intruder doing on my land?' >_<
 
there's so many societal constructs we consider normal that are really really silly when you try to look at it from first principles
One that I saw pointed out recently how child care/rearing works in typical western cities compared to some tribal societies.
I mean just one-person apartments are such a weird concept by themselves for a social species
 
@PeterT Yes and no. The degree to which humans are social varies both between individuals and over time for a specific individual, so being able to control your level of interaction with the rest of society at any given time is quite valuable.
 
Right, I agree. I didn't say personal rooms are weird. Just this construct of a living environment with running water, electricity and a seperate shipping address for a single person. You are using a bunch of communally build and maintained infrastructure to completely isolate yourself
and abstract away the transactions of trading the communal resources
 
I wonder how the no migrating tribal village does toiletries ... by that I really mean sewage.
 
@PeterT I guess I'm not seeing the weirdness. It's mostly a question of deciding what you want, and how much you're willing to pay to get that. Not really sure how "communally built" figures into much of anything here.
 
11:06 PM
We're between 1 and 4 in my house
Right now it's 4
I still haven't moved out because I would then be alone or with people I'm not sure I could be able to live with
 
You could live by yourself.
 
@TelKitty Could, but apparently prefers not to.
 
@TelKitty That falls into the "alone" category from my previous message
 
I have had my own apartment since I was 18 for more than 10 years.
I needed a lot of alone time :p
 
@Morwenn Maybe. On the other hand, it could mean allowing others to be present, but having the ability to kick them out if they cause too many problems (though I don't know--you may already have that ability).
 
11:13 PM
I've had pirate for 5 days
It's true that I can't say "fuck all off I'm having someone over"
But I so rarely need that ability that I still haven't found that it's a good enough reason to bear the daily loneliness + added administration
I'm just giving up before trying to be an adult x)
 
In uni & at past work places ... even in public places, I was constantly surrounded by a large group of people.
 
@Morwenn I advise against trying to be an adult. It's something you end up doing when you have no other choice.
 
Yeah, but I fear I might eventually become a bother for my father
Well, I try not to think about those things too much but I won't be able to ignore them forever
 
Living with other people have benefit - like you are not alone. But it also has draw backs, like you have to make some compromises.
 
@Morwenn Fair enough. But I don't view myself as having become adult until I had children. Pretty much as long as I was single, I did a lot of the stuff my wife insists I should tell our children not to (and even now, I'm kind of halfhearted about it).
 
11:23 PM
@JerryCoffin Then I'll most likely won't ever be an adult :p
Anyway, I need to go to sleep, it's getting late
 
@Morwenn Maybe. Then again, one of the few things of which I'm fairly certain is that you're not me. Seems like there's a pretty fair chance you'll live your life at least a tiny bit differently than I have mine.
 
Night for some, later for the rest :p
 
@Morwenn Good night.
 
@JerryCoffin I think I've already lived my life somewhat differently ^^
Thanks :)
 
@Morwenn Perhaps. :-)
 
11:26 PM
 
@Morwenn Surely. Thinking about it, I kind of miss @sehe, and the days when "good night" meant "I'll be talking for the next hour or two." :-)
 
Old children ... by Jerry's standard :p
 
@JerryCoffin oh, I wish I was doing that :D
but I need my sleep
 
@TelKitty 107? How would that qualify as old?
 
Griwes and ThePhD don't sleep x)
 
11:27 PM
If it's more than twice my age, then it's old.
 
@TelKitty Yes, but you said "by Jerry's standard", not yours.
 
'Children' proceeds right before " by Jerry's standard "
So in full is: "Old (by my standard) children ... by Jerry's standard :p"
 
@TelKitty I guess that depends on what the definition of "is" is.
 
I could not but wonder whether humans are over-populated on earth, thus this push in vege based diet (because we could not afford to provide enough meat) and news articles on single, long lived women.
From countries rulers point of view, and as a species, we need people to pro-create. But when we reach a certain limit ... well ...
 
I just love nesting doll - level tunneling. Right now I'm running a VM inside which I run TeamViewer to connect to my work machine, where I run Teamviewer to control some Server in Australia. I need to go deeper
 
11:46 PM
@TelKitty I'm not sure exactly what "overpopulated on earth" means exactly, but I've seen enough thoroughly empty space that it strikes me as doubtful.
 
@JerryCoffin If you mean there is enough spaces to stuff our bodies, then yes.
But unfortunately, to live, we need meat, we need oxygen and those need to be provided by other organisms which might depend on other organisms.
Also we don't want to live like caged chickens. Personally I like to own a large piece of private land on which I can roaming freely.
 

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