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12:00 AM
@CaptainGiraffe how tall is your current wife?
 
@Rick Reasonable first guess would be about average height (for a giraffe, of course).
 
My current wife! Now here we have a lot of assumptions: - My current wife isn't small enough. - I'd replace her for a smaller wife. - I'm actually married!
If we look at this from a statistical view. Quite a few of giraffes are bonafide homosexuals.
 
@CaptainGiraffe what about her hight inconveniences you
 
@Rick simply put, nothing.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I assume those gay or lesbian giraffes also have similar-sized housemates
@CaptainGiraffe So why would you replace her for a smaller wife?
 
12:05 AM
@Rick I never asked, they never told.
@Rick I would never. She is well small enough.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I don't think they would mind if you did ask (not that I would know)
@CaptainGiraffe is Ricky a common girls name?
 
@Rick I'd have you know, when I proposed to my wife I was at the bottom of the Victoria falls.
@Rick Rockette is.
 
@CaptainGiraffe That's probably what it is. Ricky is probably short for Rockette.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Interesting. Were you on the Zambia side or the Zimbabwe side?
@Rick Ricky isn't short for anything. In fact, rather tall...
 
@JerryCoffin I had a relative who is swede, All we ever called her is Ricky. I thought it was a strange name for a girl, but thought it was normal girls name among Giraffees people.
 
12:19 AM
@Rick Congratulations, I think you've just set a new record for number of times editing a single post!
 
There were more mistakes that needed fixing, but the timer ran out
@CaptainGiraffe Oh because she was so tall, ha ha ha
 
@Rick Because he's so tall (he was standing at the bottom of the falls, and she was presumably at the top).
 
@JerryCoffin I guess that makes more sense
I don't think it's physically possible for a Giraffe to have a neck that long.
 
12:38 AM
@JerryCoffin Well yes, but she was very short at the top.
@JerryCoffin It was Rhodesia at the time.
 
@Rick Well, Victoria falls is listed as 355 feet. The tallest giraffe known was only short of that by 335 feet, so I don't see a problem.
 
@CaptainGiraffe what is up with the checkered design pattern.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Ah, that's how you ended up in some much trouble.
 
@JerryCoffin Yes, that, and she was a very good kisser.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Good kissers are definitely trouble...
 
12:42 AM
@JerryCoffin She still reminds me of that kiss at Victoria. But now we are older. Memories are fond.
 
@CaptainGiraffe The older I get, the more often my memories remind me of Roy Batty's monologue: "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."
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[How's that for a dark turn to the conversation?]
 
 
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2:42 AM
@JerryCoffin That's why I take risks - what's the worst that could happen? That I die from it? But I will be died anyways right?
I am feeling optimistic at the moment.
My cousin told me a very helpful saying - live your life as if you have already died, but happen to find a spare life at the side of the road.
 
3:21 AM
Four years after Mains’ unwarranted (welfare) payments ceased, a new crime spree began.

In a period of just three days in the run up to Christmas in 2017, she robbed four bottle shops, one twice.

She had already been banned from many of the bottle-os.
 
Ever had some fun with a program that does normal stuff from threads in other processes?
 
3:53 AM
@StackedCrooked You watching this show this season?
Picked it up yesterday. And caught up through 10 eps just now. lol
 
 
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5:02 AM
Why does it have to be so complicated?
 
 
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6:03 AM
@Mysticial Haven't seen that. What is it?
 
@StackedCrooked Cop Craft
 
Ok. I might check it out.
 
Basically a cross of bad-ass cops/criminals mixed in with your stereotypical "cute character with weapons" and some on-and-off comedy.
 
I have a lot of catching up to do this season. Finally caught up with Dr Stone.
Also planning to watch the Fire Brigade one.
Cop Craft seems good though.
 
6:19 AM
@StackedCrooked The cover art for Cop Craft doesn't do the show much justice.
 
6:51 AM
It's basically Bright with a cute anime girl
 
 
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1:44 PM
I wonder, whether technology has 'quantum levels' too.
Like each major discovering sets off a wave of minor development around it.
But there is a significant amount of differences between the two levels.
 
nwp
Clearly a question of how you define "level", "major", "minor" and "significant". If a discovery doesn't set off a wave of more discoveries it probably wasn't major. See also enabling technology.
 
2:11 PM
Umm ... manufacturing belongs to the same category as steam engine
electric Motor and personal computer.
 
nwp
Yeah, they are all listed under the category "enabling technology".
 
2:25 PM
Yeah, no harm to list chicken farm in the same category as cat and dog, no matter how odd it seems.
 
 
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5:16 PM
@PeterT Bright?
 
@Mysticial the Netflix movie with Will Smith
 
Oh. It's not an Anime.
 
I just meant the "buddy cop in current world setting with mystical creatures" genre
 
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8:51 PM
@Mgetz How do you guys deal with compiler upgrades. For example, I just upgraded from MSVC 2017 -> MSVC 2019. Crazy number of changes. Specifically, whats a good strategy to handle it in source control. I normally prefer to have daily commits, but this refractoring will take a while. How did you guys deal with stuff like this...
 
are you suppose to use thing like "not" over ! or "or" over || in C++?
 
No, because its not one of the transforms recommended by ReSharper. In Python (by some PEP) you are.
 
Does ReSharper give a reason why?
 
ReSharper contains a collection of "grammatical mistakes" given by clang, and the guys at CMU, as well as a few of their own. It functions as a combination of style guides. I haven't seen that style recommended for C++. If anybody tells you to do that, they are probably a filthy python "dev" who is really a data analysist :-)
 
noted, call all python dev's filthy :-)
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9:03 PM
I'm also calling them all data analysts !
Even the ones that do django :-)
 
@Mikhail I have come around to your opinion and now regard all data analyst worthless :-)
 
Their frozen hearts will never know the joys of trying to figure out why CL builds something but CL+NVCC doesn't.
For example, if I have an equality operator in the parent and child class, I'd violate this guidline
 
It also fucks up the static-inheritance idiom.
 
@Mysticial So the guideline is pretty screwed up right?
My conspiracy theory is that these guidelines are written by the snobby template meta-programing upper class (who can rely on compiler de-virtualization) as a way to oppress the common, plebeian multiple compilation unit developer.
Fuck, boost small vector is broken with MSVC2019 (16.2.5) and CUDA (V10.1.168)
This code results in wacky template errors when building with NVCC+CL but not vanilla CL. I just wish somebody would test this stuff, or at least warn me. For example, I expect a carrier pigeon to arrive at my window every time boost::container breaks.
#include <boost/container/small_vector.hpp>
boost::container::small_vector<int, 5> fml;
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Q: Is Boost's Small Vector Compatible with NVCC 8?

MikhailI'm having trouble building this one line program with nvcc: #include <boost/container/small_vector.hpp> The error log I'm getting looks as follows, to me it hints that maybe there is some marco definition conflict, but I'm not good enough with C++ to figure it out: C:\Boost\include\boost-1_6...

It drifts in an out of working
fuck
 
9:41 PM
@Mikhail Create a branch, convert pieces on the branch, commit when needed (I'd normally expect closer to hourly than daily), and merge/rebase when its complete.
 
@Mikhail Fun fact: Visual Studio Intellisense uses the EDG front end, not Microsoft's own.
 
Worse I think they forked from EDG a while ago
Like fuck, how hard is to change the fucking clang logo and ship a working compiler. Its even permissible by the fucking license.
When I become a compiler developer team, I'll do everything my way! Then we'll have no more bugs.
 
I'm not sure the time of the fork matters as much as the fact that I'm pretty sure they use its MSVC compatibility mode. Problem is their compatibility mode is normally a version behind the real compiler.
 
@JerryCoffin Funny how I just saw that movie this Sunday evening. I read the "Do Androids dream of electric sheep" first so I'm still struggling to appreciate the movie as a whole.
 
9:50 PM
@CaptainGiraffe I think it's better to ignore the supposed relationship between the movie and the book. The relationship is extremely loose, even at best. To me, the movie seems more like it's based on something like a 10 minute conversation where somebody gave an extremely general description of the book (a few years after reading it, so they don't remember the details, and part of what they think the remember is really wrong).
 
@CaptainGiraffe do you know a way to extract a min-cost tree out of a graph?
preferably a proof you may have encountered at university.
the assumption is that you are given a starting node to branch out from.
 
10:07 PM
@JerryCoffin So, who would be responsible for merging the changes into the new branch? The guys that work for me that are using the old branch, or me, that is making the new branch? I don't think there is a right answer here, but I'm looking for your opinions, experiences.
 
@Rick Yes. Several.
@JerryCoffin Sounds about right =)
 
@CaptainGiraffe what's the most compelling proof
for speed
 
@Rick A local/greedy one.
 
greedy is going to be slow
 
@Rick Ok, tell us the greedy slow one.
 
10:16 PM
Your're going to take the lowest value neighbor before considering the other nodes
 
@Rick Thing is, a local/ greedy one is going to be intuitive and easy to reason about. And also quite possibly provably optimal for that same reason.
 
what if we did preprocess where we relaxed all the edges beforehand
 
You are familiar with A* and dijkstras alorithms I seem to recall.
 
Can you explain it because I don't really get how it's different from Dijkstra
 
@Rick The problem of a minimum spanning tree is well explored.
 
10:22 PM
@Mikhail As a rule of thumb, I prefer that somebody other than the one doing (most of) the work on a branch be the one who merges it.
 
@Rick Dijkstra has a starting point that messes everything up. I.e. in a minimum spanning tree A-B might be a-d-c-b.
 
@CaptainGiraffe but is the number of isomorphisms that can be extracted based on labeled edges in a graph with cycles, is that something that's been explored
 
Okay, through painful trail and error, I found that the problem with boost small vector ICE-ing NVCC+CL happens only at Boost 1.71, seems to work with Boost 1.70
 
@Rick I'm not sure how that relates to your original question. I'm also quite unsure what you are asking.
 
Or am I just misscategorising the problem
 
10:28 PM
@Rick A* uses some sort of heuristic guess at a cost to try to decide which routes look likely to work out well, and checks them. Dijkstra just tries them all (unless they can be determinstically eliminated, such as "the next node doesn't complete the search, and already imposes a higher cost than the best we've seen so far"), so it's usually slower, but always guarantees finding the optimal path.
 
Well I am just thinking about the traveling salesmen problem where the optimal path is determined by visiting all the nodes following the shortest path one can take.
assuming there are many paths between the nodes that are of varying distances.
so a node can have may edges, each of which has a different cost
 
Noice, although the cost per TB has been stable for far too long. So, its starting to push past 20k to fill up a 24 drive JBOD.
 
How much more space does SMR get? 50%? 30%?
 
10:43 PM
but I'm not trying to find the shortest path, but the optimal path assuming I have to visit all the nodes.
 
With SMR you run the risk of getting literally, 5 MB/s read or write. It could takes weeks to copy the drive.
 
@Rick Sure, nearest neighbor.
 
fuck, all I did for the last 2 hours was work around some compiler bugs, how the heck do I explain that to non technical people :-(
 
@JerryCoffin I'm probably over-complicating this
 
@Mikhail "Technical difficulties"?
 
10:49 PM
@Rick Right. So assuming you've pre-calculated all the distances from each node to every other node, nearest neighbor is a linear traversal--at each step, you just choose the nearest neighbor, and continue from there. Once you've hit all the nodes, you have your traversal.
 
@Mikhail Looks like WD isn't even going to sell SMRs to the public.
Do SMRs have some advanced erase function to just wipe the drive so that new writes don't need to fix adjacent tracks?
 
If the drive stays at the same $ per tb, it would be over $1k
 
@Rick Problem is, NN can produce almost arbitrary bad result. Dijkstra basically does just one step short of a brute-force search of all possible paths, so it gives an optimal result, but it's slow. A* tries to make some meaningful guesses about which nodes are probably reasonable to look at next, so it eliminates some that can't possibly be the best, and some others that maybe could be, but probably aren't.
 
11:04 PM
I guss I could compress the paths as I go along
in a sperate array
also, you are always guaranteed that all nodes up to the highest node exist, so if there is a 5 node there will always be a 1, 2, 3,4 nodes as well.
I've already solved this by the way, just not optimally I feel.
 
11:43 PM
@Rick If you ever swing by my University I'd be happy to show you how to work this!
 
@CaptainGiraffe he he he, I'll put it on todo list. Kruskal's algorithm is the optimal approach to this problem. However, I feel there is a better way.
The sorting required kills this solution in my opinion
 
wtf is this confusticated bullshit bfilipek.com/2017/10/notnull.html
How can we trust MS's style guide if their code has so many bugs?
Also marking as "not null" means that the type is no longer "auto". Fucking pick one.
:<
Also you need to fucking in their headers
 

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