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12:00 AM
@Rick Not sure I follow what you're asking, but I'm happy to stipulate that there are undoubtedly at least a few cases where one is substantially easier than the other.
 
No, there is just a problem I've been grappling with recently and I've been trying to do it using BFS.
 
12:49 AM
A robotic automation group wants to merge with our A.I. in robotics group, they have more members at the moment, but less active.
Merge as in they are sending all their members into our group.
 
@TelKitty don't do it
 
@TelKitty Sounds like the group's AI needs a garbage collector.
 
@Rick Why not?
@JerryCoffin Earth's garbage is still on earth. What's more important is that we can share their cream of the crop.
 
AI is a sham in my personal opinion.
 
True.
But if we dedicate time and effort in its research, it might become a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
1:01 AM
true, but you would be taking a long way when there is a direct path.
 
Be ambitious gives life a purpose.
@Rick There are short cuts in the forest and there are highways in the mountain, they do not contradict each other.
 
@TelKitty that's actually a good point, don't put all your eggs in one basket would be a similar analogy.
 
@Rick In the end, much of what's attractive about machines is that they're not intelligent, so we can do things with/to them that would be abusive if they were actually intelligent. If a machine were honestly intelligent, it would be equivalent to a child--we'd be obliged to ensure it had a good quality of life, not use and abuse it essentially any way we see fit.
Oh, and in case it wasn't obvious, although they're a nice plot device, I think only a truly evil person could implement Asimov's laws of robotics in real life. If you're creating robots with actual intelligence, the laws of robotics means you're creating a race of slaves.
 
We are not there yet. I would worry about it when we can get that far. Definitely not in the near future.
 
@JerryCoffin that's a good point, but if we could give machines intelligence and enslave them we would have done it.
@TelKitty we are nowhere near it. In my personal opinion.
 
1:18 AM
We are at the very beginning of it, almost like the first sight of shoot of a budding seed.
But it is not like there is nothing at all.
 
I think genetic engineering along with human-machine neural interface shows promise.
as the next big technology to exhaust.
Also outer space, like asteroid mining and moon colonization.
All of these things seem more possible to me than a thinking machine.
 
I didn't intend to build a thinking machine, I intend to build simple machine that can do re-enforcement learning. Starting small, making some profit through helping out, say the construction industry. So it can support further research into more complicated behaviour.
 
1:33 AM
Human nueral interfaces are surprisingly functional, right now.
Genetic engineering, after birth won't work or will require novel immunosupresent mechanicisms.
 
2:22 AM
I thought immunosuppressants were for transplants
 
2:43 AM
for [combining biology with non-organic material] - same same?
i know nill about biology, perhaps organic was the wrong word.
 
3:33 AM
howdy keyboard corpses
 
 
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5:46 AM
If your body expresses a new protein you will have some kind of immune reaction to it.
 
6:22 AM
@JerryCoffin It might be worth considering Panpsychism. It's an old idea and it appears in a lot of places. It seems absurd but I think there might be some truth to it. I think the obsession with human intelligence ends up making us ignoring everything else staring us in the face.
@Mikhail how do you find this stuff
 
I frequent a few invite only chats where people share content.
Another high impact journal
I'm getting ready to submit a sperm paper to a journal called PNAS, but if you're me you can get a giggle by calling the journal penis.
 
7:00 AM
Uhhh, a paper in Nature, that's pretty good! :)
IF 12 ahahhaha
that's about 6 time as much as journals I send my stuff to; yikes :P
 
I do low impact journals, also. Just got one into an IF 3 journal :-)
Too bad they never let me do science, and due, in part to globalization its not possible to get a faculty job in the US...
 
low impact 3, suuuure... :)
 
That means your work is cited 3 times :-/
 
I know what it means, I think for a journal to have IF 3 is pretty high
 
:-/
 
7:09 AM
it doesn't mean your work personally gets cited 3 times either
it's a journal-wide statistic
in most fields, work gets cited long after its initial release
unless you're Szegedi and have a paper from 2017 cited 15 000 times
2015*
 
Fuck those people for being allowed to do non-bullshit work
 
ufff
so most of mathematics is bullshit according to you then
nice
 
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7:53 PM
@Rick Sounds like somebody in 1900 saying: "If we could build machines that could fly, we already would have done it." Then we couldn't. Now we can. We can't build machines that are honestly intelligent yet, but it remains to be seen whether we ever will.
 
8:12 PM
@JerryCoffin good point, It's funny how people seem to think despite all the insane advances we've made over the thousands of years, we surely have reached our peak now. Very ignorant view really, when you think about it
 
8:31 PM
We were doing pretty advanced stuff in most of our history (Egypt, Rome, ...) Makes me wonder why it took so long to invent the real cool stuff, like combustion engines?
 
8:56 PM
@Mgetz Haha. Another case of someone trying to pull "premature-optimization" on a SIMD question.
 
@Mysticial I thought you'd get a kick out of that
 
Tempted to counter troll with:
> What's the point of having AVX in the first place if you should always do a "change in the algorithm"?
> Likewise, what's the point of buying a faster processor if you should always do a "change in the algorithm"?
> What's the point of using compiler optimizations if you should always do a "change in the algorithm"?
 
@Mysticial well that one's easy... to enable the compiler to to optimize to AVX
 
9:17 PM
How about?
> Obviously, AVX is pointless and stupid because you should always be improving the algorithm instead of micro-optimizing. Intel is insane for making AVX in the first place and now they're paying for it by letting AMD take the lead. The real future is slower and more inefficient processors because everybody should be improving the algorithm anyways as opposed to micro-optimizing.
 
9:54 PM
@StackedCrooked Largely because most inventions depend on so many other things. Forget things as complex as internal combustion engines, and consider something as seemingly trivial as, say, a plastic spoon. Not only is the number of inventions involved huge, but they're in a huge number of completely different areas, so there's almost no chance that a single hyper-genius could get you where you're going--it takes expertise in geology, metal working, organic chemistry, mold making, transportation, etc.
 
@JerryCoffin It's daunting to think about.
But now we have all that I'd expect speed of progress should be growing exponentially.
And it seems to be in some areas.
On the other hand we won't make advances in agriculture like we used to, since we seem to have reached a ceiling.
AI must be the next big thing...
Makes me wonder what life will be when I'm 90.
 
@StackedCrooked Depending on how you measure progress, it is. s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/static.gapminder.org/GapminderMedia/…
 
@JerryCoffin Wow. It used to be 85%?
That's awesome. Because I was thinking of technological progress. But we're progressing in so many areas.
 
@StackedCrooked So they claim, anyway. That leads to the other big thing that's slowed progress for a long time: most people didn't have time to help progress, because they were spending their entire lives just surviving.
 
Most people are plebs either way. They won't contribute to progress. :P
 
10:18 PM
@StackedCrooked Probably true--but especially when you had systems like slavery and serfs, it prevented all members of large groups from contributing. When you start off such a small percentage who can (or at least will) contribute, losing even a few can impair progress substantially.
 
 
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11:32 PM
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that does not seem like a real question, by a real person. Who has the time to troll like tihs
 
user8104581
Does seem plausible that it is legit though
 
user8104581
 
user8104581
Hilarious in any case.
 
Spent a day setting up a gentoo box with a new student. Accidentally did rm -rf /usr . Most of the system survived but its pretty broken. Added an extra space. Really sad.
 
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11:47 PM
@Mikhail Was it the student, or you
 
I typed in the wrong command
 
user8104581
Well, I guess you gotta Install Gentoo again
 
I started a full package rebuild, I need to write papers, and do other work. Fuck.
but really sad
 
@JerryCoffin You are 100% right, large parts of the population need to be upgraded for them to contribute. That means there needs to be security, peace, and stability. Then education, the more people that are participating that harder it will be to participate without having higher levels of education and know-how. If not managed by some competent central authority these things can quickly degenerate, where the brainy work to the determent of everyone else, "tragedy of the commons".
 
@Rick At least from what I've seen, central authority is more likely to lead to mediocrity than excellence.
 

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