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12:00 AM
@JerryCoffin My bad, I have digged a bit deeper, it looks more like a fishing message than a real gmail warning. Also I have stopped 1337 trolling - I have scared too many people off, even though they were physically bigger. I have decided to change my strategy - in the future, I will try to lure them closer before reveal my true self.
 
12:24 AM
@TelKitty "Your account may have been hacked. Please submit the numbers of all your credit cards, so we can check of they're among those that were publicly revealed."
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1:10 AM
Friend of mine: "hello my_own_ISP hotline, I have received that email saying that I subscribed to Google Something for x € per month (on credit card) and that I need to follow a link to cancel. I have never subscribed to anything on Google. The sender IP address in the email is owned by you my_own_ISP."
my_own_ISP's hotline: "It says Google on the email so Google must have sent it; it doesn't come from our network."
 
1:27 AM
@nwp The problem is that the C/C++ memory model is 100% undefined BS! It's a mix of C/C++ step by step semantics and Java style read from/orders. Nothing makes sense here.
 
@cs95 The real answer is I was bord, and I was sick of looking at code and needed a distraction. I was hoping he would pop out of the blue and say something.
preferably something interesting.
I was rolling the dice, but the dice rolled me.
 
1:49 AM
@JerryCoffin Like this:
Except full header looked suspicious.
Links were dodgy.
 
 
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3:55 AM
This is an opinion based question but please bear with me, what is the best way to manage external dependencies in a C++ project so that a new person forking the project can also simply fork, run a few pre-written script and the dependencies get installed
For e.g. I have worked on this with C#, where we will write powershell scripts that will create symbolic links in the project required directory e.g. C:/ProjectName that will point to wherever you store your project
And then there are scripts that will take care of external NuGet packages as well
Is there something similar in C++ as well, preferably something that works cross platform on Windows and Linux
 
4:40 AM
@anand_v.singh For commercial software that relies on a lot of dependencies, I've found having binaries, and everything in the same repo is the best strategy. Obviously keep good notes on how to build it.
But it should be noted I work with a small group of people, and have never had a dedicated deployment person
 
So rather than switching to a third party manager like conan or vcpkg, keep everything in a single repo?
 
@anand_v.singh I've used vcpkg and been fairly happy with it.
 
@JerryCoffin I am fairly new to this so this might seem a bit silly, how do we handle packages then that are not supported by vcpkg or the package manager in question?
 
Those managers lack many of the packages I use. They are also mostly for header only. Further, you typically need to take a little bit of care when deploying compute intensive software to make sure your code didn't swallow some wacky flavor of AVX. Then you gotta figure out which DLLs you need. Eventually you realize that all your packages will need to rebuild to be static so you don't dump 100 dlls on the user...
 
@Mikhail then are you able to manage cross platform compatibility as well?
If so, what do you do for that?
 
4:51 AM
Compatibility between what? I have a lowest denominator instruction set, which can be different from my dev machine. So I built the supporting binary libraries on the lowest denominator machine and store the working binaries in source control because fuck the police.
 
cross compatibility between Windows and linux
@Mikhail This seems like an interesting Idea
 
Its also important to have them all built against the same common runtime, etc. I don't need to maintain compatibility between Windows and Linux. Only Windows.
 
@anand_v.singh If you're willing to put a bit of work into it, you can create a package to use with vcpkg. I guess you can do the same with conan as well, but I've never done it, so I can't really say much about it.
 
Anyways, the biggest issue with C++ is that you need to take care about how its built (unlike JS) and that you need to figure out how to deploy it (unlike pip). This is why package managers are used exceedingly rarely, especially for user facing commercial applications.
 
Okay so the problem is We have a research team of PHD people and they wrote this algorithm, as of now it only builds in release, does not follow any coding standard and to get it running in a machine by a new dev the standard time is 5 days, mostly because the CMAKE requires static directories
for dependecies
 
5:00 AM
get it running in a machine by a new dev the standard time is 5 days,
^Sounds like Indian people being lazy
 
Perhaps
But builds only in release and not in debug
 
Lol, I do a lot of work with Zeiss and I frequently source components second hand because I can't deal with them taking forever. The people I know who work for them in the US were not very good, but got PhDs. You might have a hilarious corporate culture problem. Mostly because fixing the build for debug should take a day (max).
 
Yes that is my plan, the solution is quite large so I will see
@Mikhail Work with Zeiss How?/
 
Buy their stuff, occasionally talk about giving them patents.
 
Nice, small world
So I will look into vcpkg, conan and your idea
 
5:09 AM
That's a Nikon competition
 
Oh you work with camera divison then... I don't work there
 
if its taking people 5 days to build you have an India problem, which is typically solved in some barbaric fashion with some dude shouting at another dude to cut out the malarkey
When I used to work in publishing we did a bunch of outsourcing the India, it was cheap but made me loose a lot of faith in humanity.
 
@Mikhail I think it's an experience problem, I just left college, and this is a bit out of my league to work with a project of 90 some solutions as my first professional C++ project
@Mikhail That bad...
 
Yeah, nobody is blaming you for a lack of experience. But if real devs are taking 5 days to do something, they are probably slacking off.
 
Nah not experienced guys they got it done in their machines in a matter of hours
but they also had majority of the environment setup I guess
 
5:14 AM
Oh I see. I misunderstood your initial comment. Yes, I have a new hire like that. So its fine.
 
I understand why though, I have friends working in companies where all the senior devs do is delegate and that rakes a time issue
 
6:03 AM
 
6:19 AM
Did you charge it though?
 
6:31 AM
When you think about it, Queen of England never had a real job. Like ... is being a queen a real jobs?
Also I don't quite understand this being 'people oriented' point of view. I mean people are very very small part of this world. If you do enough hiking in the wild, sailing in the ocean, you know what I mean. So being people oriented, you are saying that you only care about tiny part of this world and nothing else.
 
7:14 AM
@TelKitty Do you believe "X oriented" means "care solely about X to the exclusion of anything and everything else"?
 
@JerryCoffin If someone says certain business is 'money oriented', do you think the said business care about anything else much?
It's all comparative. The more you care about something, the less attention you would have for everything else.
 
 
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nwp
8:37 AM
@curiousguy You just have no clue what you are talking about.The C++ memory model is the standard sequential consistency in the absence of data races with some bonus semantics for std::atomics.
 
9:15 AM
@nwp Really? Where is that specified? How can you mix both? Why can't I ask questions about that topic that don't get closed?
 
nwp
9:26 AM
@curiousguy intro.memory and intro.multithread for some of the basics and atomics.order for some of the bonus if you are hardcore enough to just read the standard. I would instead recommend the atomic weapons talk.
The C++ memory model used to be 100% undefined BS before C++11 because C++11 is the first version that has a memory model. But that is 8 years ago.
 
10:23 AM
@nwp That doesn't answer anything.
How can you have UB in a language with a "memory model"?
How is UB specified?
 
nwp
I don't see why a memory model would mean you can't have UB.
Part of the definition of the memory model is that when you do certain things, like data races, that that results in UB.
Then again you should look at the documentation instead.
 
How can you know that any program run doesn't have UB, in C++ with a "memory model"?
 
nwp
10:41 AM
You can't know for arbitrary programs because Rice is a dick. You can know for some programs by constructing it carefully. In practice UBsan and Asan help.
 
 
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11:46 AM
@Mysticial gauntlet thrown wccftech.com/…
 
 
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@Mgetz Yeah. No bandwidth though. :)
@StackedCrooked What's the problem with it?
 
@Mysticial dunno yet, it's just speculation at this point I suspect clocks will be crap
 
@Mgetz You can clock that at like 1 GHz and it'll still be bandwidth bound. :)
 
@Mysticial I just forgot the method. I can easily do the reverse though.
 
@StackedCrooked Oh. Yeah, you factorize the constant term and they do trial-and-error.
The other approach is to numerically solve the polynomial.
That'll reveal all the linear terms, but not any irreducible non-linear factors.
 
2:58 PM
I was wondering if anyone around here would know where I could find:
[A fixed-size large integer header-only C++ class](https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/62872/15631)
It seems trivial and I'm sure there's either a popular impl I don't know about, or many people have rolled their own.
 
@Mysticial how many memory channels would it actually require to support that?
 
TBH, at the current speeds (for both Intel and AMD), the ideal is 1 channel per 2 cores.
Actually, 1 channel per 2 cores with AVX512. And maybe 1 channel per 3 cores without AVX512.
 
 
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11:46 PM
I wonder why animals of high intelligence are more likely to be vindictive than ones with lower intelligence.
Christians promote forgiveness while as Buddhism emphasizes on Karma which in a way indicates vindication.
Of all the things that you are not familiar with, opportunities only knock once, spams and trash tend harass you repeatedly.
 

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