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7:00 PM
closed as unintelligible?
 
@JimNorton people undestand gibberish. Try to undestand this.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can't look at it? I had to write it, think how I feel.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't get it.
 
It's a "licking my lips" smiley?
 
7:05 PM
:-| )
that's a Hitler smiley
 
@PatrickBassut Oh, you mean the resume part? It's because it's just a bunch of language names and tools strung together.
Like some resumes you see around.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, okay.
 
@refp they want a 1x1 screenshot. My answer: stackoverflow.com/a/11548510/567292
 
@JimNorton /:=(
 
Why people in SO climbe over each other to answer question?
 
7:10 PM
But, why not Zoidberg? (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
 
So @MooingDuck, How can I make operator>> part of my class, so it can see the error handling fucntions?
 
@PatrickBassut MOAR POINTS!!!!
 
I love that his first name is John
 
I mean, considering that most people in the whole world don't do things in order to have a gain. What's the whole point then?
 
@Drise Friend it.
@PatrickBassut What? Most people do things to have a gain.
 
7:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not very familiar with friends; May I ask for a quick example?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's what i meant, sorry
@R.MartinhoFernandes for most people, that's the ONLY thinkg actually
 
@PatrickBassut Ah. In that case, it's because people get a kick out of seeing their numbers increase. That's their gain.
Like an e-peen.
 
So, what's the point of answering questions in SO ?
 
"You Have 0 Friends" is the fourth episode of the fourteenth season of the American animated television series South Park, and the 199th episode of the series overall. It first aired on Comedy Central in the United States on April 7, 2010. In the episode, Kyle, Cartman and Kenny make Stan a Facebook profile against his will and he becomes extremely frustrated with everyone asking him for friend requests. After he gets fed up with Facebook, Stan tries to delete his profile but is sucked into a virtual Facebook world. Meanwhile, Kyle starts trying to find ways to get more friends on Facebook...
 
7:13 PM
@RadekSlupik Oh much better!
 
@Drise friend it, or move the code into a member function which operator>> calls. (assuming you mean the error handling functions are private)
 
@PatrickBassut Also, many people genuinely enjoy helping others.
 
Jon Skeet's e-peen is known as 'Burj al Skeet'
 
So, in that case is popularity?
 
@PatrickBassut Yes, I guess you could say that.
 
7:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not all of them. Nowadays, I could say 10%.
 
class myclass {
    int privateint;
    friend istream& operator>>(istream&, myclass&);
};
istream& operator>>(istream& f, myclass& o) {
   return f >> o.privateint; //can touch friends privates
}
@Drise: there's a sample
 
It is just possible that some people actually enjoy helping others learn, as well
 
@ecatmur yeah, it's a good answer but I got quite annoyed over how OP expressed himself (also changing the question after a lot of answers have been supplied). did you read the comments as well as our quick conversation through chat?
 
@PatrickBassut My experience doesn't match that, but I don't have anything other than that to back it up, so I won't even try to convince you otherwise.
 
@MooingDuck No, they are those function pointers.
@MooingDuck But that works.
 
7:15 PM
@Drise doesn't matter. member's a member in this case
 
@jalf Never said it wasnt possible. Said that it was rare. Though almost making impossible
 
@MooingDuck (assuming you mean the error handling functions are private) <- No, the operator>> needs access to the instance.
 
@PatrickBassut I'm a compulsive helper :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, i guess it's just a matter of time so i can get it, right?
@MooingDuck oh, one of the 10% then.
 
@refp ooh, ouch... that is not a fun experience.
 
7:17 PM
@Drise if the class friends the operator, the operator can touch any and all members of the class, private or not
@PatrickBassut I don't know if I "enjoy" it, but I can't stop myself. Particularly slow people make me angry. But I can't stop helping them :(
 
@PatrickBassut So you can get what?
 
Again, I never said that there weren't any. There is. The guy that thought me anything that is relative to computer. But it's rare
 
@MooingDuck Yep.
 
@MooingDuck A genuine "thank you" from a random stranger feels great.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but that's rare
 
7:19 PM
It's worth it.
 
@MooingDuck I really admire those people. Although you'll get angry most of the time, since you're teaching. And people might not get it at first. Otherwise, they wouldnt go to you at the first place, right?
 
@PatrickBassut technically they come to SO and be irritating, and then I help them
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It does. And I don't think it's rare to appreciate that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that experience you're talking about.
@MooingDuck Oh, so you don't help people outside of SO
 
@PatrickBassut Ah. Well, you need to meet people.
 
7:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I treasure them so much I keep them on my profile. (Along with one random comment from sehe, which I considered a compliment even though it's not obvious why)
 
@MooingDuck ?
 
And you'll meet more people with time, for sure.
 
@MooingDuck Wait. How do I access the instance?
 
@PatrickBassut I help people outside SO, but that's far rarer. Mostly people who know me
 
@MooingDuck Yeah, I noticed that.
 
7:21 PM
@Drise o is the instance. What's the function being executed?
 
std::istream& operator>>(std::istream& file, first& obj);
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do. It's the best way, right? Cause I guess most that i've known are outside of your experience. Or maybe, it's just bad luck.
 
@MooingDuck great. ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it was the first time a regular in the room acknowledged that he remembered who I was. I was proud of myself for some reason
@Drise obj is the instance. obj.mymember
@Drise Y U NO typedef?
 
7:23 PM
@MooingDuck But, have u ever asked yourself why you love helping people?
 
@MooingDuck Hey how are you?
 
@ManofOneWay It was most of a year ago :D
 
Yeah, all this helping others can't be natural. You should get help!
 
@PatrickBassut that's the way I was raised and I was punished if I ever didn't help people :( If too many people ask for help too quickly I get angry and have to go hide and take time for myself.
 
@MooingDuck great childhood you had, then.
 
7:24 PM
@jalf OMG you're now stuck in a loop. You're gonna die.
 
@PatrickBassut first world problems eh?
@Drise what's the problem?
 
@MooingDuck hahahaha. Awesome.
@MooingDuck it is. Scientists could make copies of real human from you culture, whatever it is.
 
@MooingDuck I'm showing you the same damn thing that I showed you before!
Ok, let me get a more complete example.
 
@Drise ideone.com/Ald7k like this?
 
@MooingDuck What? =)
 
7:28 PM
@ManofOneWay you're confusing me
 
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Would anyone mind looking at my scheme code and telling me why it puts no output at all? I just get blanks
 
@MooingDuck ideone.com/FPMCo
 
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@Jordan does anyone here know scheme?
 
@MooingDuck There were this guy that got me into the field of programming. He was a compulsive helper too. Whatever email I sent to him, he answered with this big text in it. And he always made sure that I got it so he could walk away. He already lost a day of work once, only because of this.
 
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7:29 PM
@MooingDuck Yes fortunately
 
@MooingDuck No, you're confusing me!
 
Oh, I don't need to pick an "exotic" language like Turkish next time I need to convince a coworker/whatever, that just throwing ToUpper at things for case-insensitive comparisons isn't such a great idea. German has that Ezsett thing "ß" with "SS" as the uppercase form.
 
Music dump time, because I'm bored. Gimme music.
 
@Jordan I don't need to look at the code to know why, It's because your output is full of blanks.
:-)
 
@CatPlusPlus What? You're all out of music?
 
7:33 PM
Yes.
 
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With the economy what it is, everybody has to make cutbacks.. even music.
 
Namedropping performers is fine, as long as it's on YT.
 
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@JimNorton I think my problem is I am using scheme
 
7:34 PM
depends on your tastes...
 
@Jordan I don't recall anyone besides me helping you with scheme, and I don't know scheme
 
@Jordan That might be a good answer!
 
I could dump a reasonable volume of european power metal, but I don't think anyone wants that
 
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@MooingDuck I am bad with names but there was at least one other
 
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7:35 PM
@CatPlusPlus Lately I've been enjoying Norah Jones.
 
@TomW Would that be Rammstein type music?
 
As long as it's not five minutes of incomprehensible growl-yelling, it's fine.
Melodic must it be.
 
@CatPlusPlus Empire Of The Sun
 
nah, power metal is the absurd solo-heavy with squealy gay lyrics about fighting dragons
 
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7:36 PM
I will stop, I could do this all day
 
@Drise did you see what I did?
 
user1174868
I need to get stuff done
 
@TomW Like DragonForce?
 
@MooingDuck Working on it, hang on. Just finished the typedefs.
 
I think Hammerfall is classified as power metal and it was listenable.
 
7:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yep, basically like that.
 
user1174868
I just wish my compiler would give me an error or something, it just sits there like a cat
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Ha, I brought it up specifically because I had Hammerfall on at the time
 
@Drise see how much easier typedef'd function pointers are to read?
 
Cats don't sit there. Cats go out hunting.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hammerfall is pretty good IIRC
 
7:37 PM
I already know it, I want new stuff.
 
Capital sharp s (ẞ) is the contestable majuscule of eszett. Sharp s is nearly unique among the letters of the Latin alphabet in that it has no traditional upper case form (one of the few other examples is kra, which was used in Greenlandic). This is because it never occurs initially in German text, and traditional German printing (which used blackletter) never used all-caps. When using all-caps, the current spelling rules require the replacement of ß with SS. History There have been repeated attempts to introduce one majuscule ß. Such letterforms can be found in some old German b...
 
Primal Fear
 
"My cat and I are excited it's your birthday! Well, I think he's excited. He might be asleep. Hard to tell" (my favorite birthday card ever)
 
@Jordan It's music dump, dammit.
 
Have you tried Yanni or Zam Fir and his pan flute yet @CatPlusPlus?
 
7:38 PM
+1 for the phrase 'contestable majuscule'
 
I'm late to meet my fiance be back later bye
 
bi
buy
 
7:39 PM
I'm late, I'm late for a very important date!
 
don't have a fiancee so I never have to go meet her and I can never be late doing so
:P
 
I'm late for yesterday.
 
@TonyTheLion You'll be late when you first meet her!
 
But are you late for tomorrow?
 
I'm never late, I always arrive exactly when I mean to
 
7:40 PM
Also if it's a woman it's "financee" with accent on one of those 'e's.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope, I'll be exactly there when I mean to be there
 
So you look funny when using only one e.
 
@CatPlusPlus Like negligee!
 
@CatPlusPlus Exactly!
 
7:41 PM
(Bonus points for getting the reference)
 
I can speak from experience on that one.
 
I don't get it :(
 
@MooingDuck Haha, yea. Still new to them
 
but then again, if I would want to get your references I'd have to read story books, and those are meh
 
user1174868
I got my code working guys, who wants to know what the problem was?
 
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7:41 PM
It was a (
 
cause I'm too lazy to read story books
 
You're as repulsive as a monkey in a negligee!
I look that much like your fiancée?
@TonyTheLion It's not from a story book.
 
@Jordan No! In scheme? GTFO!
 
I don't know about reference, but GISing it yields pwetty results.
 
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@JimNorton Well it could have also been a )
 
7:42 PM
GISing?
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@Jordan and that's the other possibility
"-)
 
@TonyTheLion Google Image Searching.
 
@MooingDuck Also: errorH is not a member of first
 
oh god, we've acronymed that too
jeez
 
7:43 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's this missed reference business?
 
like our business doesn't have enough acronyms already
 
user1174868
 
@SamDeHaan It's normal. I regularly spread out references to stuffs you should know about in what I say. Sometimes I warn about them.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sigh, I missed the whole conversation, have to look back and try to figure out what message contained a reference. So much work, so much lazy.
 
7:45 PM
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@CatPlusPlus Like negligee!
(see the message it refers to, as well)
 
Hmm, looks like I'm a failure like Tony, I don't grok it.
 
/home/rm1/Desktop/WorkDev/Misc programs/NewID/InputDeck.cpp:90: error: 'struct first' has no member named 'errorH'
 
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
http://www.worldofmi.com/gamehelp/insults/mi3.php
You're all a bunch of... something unpleasant.
You fight like a cow!
 
Huh
KoL has a reference to that, apparently. /cc @CatPlusPlus
 
7:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Damn, there's lots of hardcore stuff in there.
 
so Amazon has updated their shipping methods, called Amazon Yesterday
hmmm
 
@CatPlusPlus Yep, that's it.
 
@TonyTheLion How much?
 
@TonyTheLion Is that day-of shipping?
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's from MI3, where the comebacks had to rhyme.
 
7:50 PM
@SamDeHaan something like that. I'm trying to find a better explanation than the video I just saw
 
MI1 has my favourite, which is "You fight like a dairy farmer!" with the comeback as "How appropriate! You fight like a cow!".
 
@TonyTheLion Um what? gamezone.com/news/…
 
Ah, satirical response to day-of shipping. Got it.
 
@Collin lol yes
 
That day of shipping stuff that they're working on means huuuuuge business for the company I work for.
 
7:52 PM
Damn, shipping is so fast when your package doesn't have to cross a border.
 
@SamDeHaan but is that video just some joke or an actual announcement of their new shipping policy?
 
@TonyTheLion Video is a joke, afaik.
 
@SamDeHaan yes, I got that bit.
 
I'm imagining Amazon Warehouse Airships just circling cities ready to drop packages by parachute
 
If it gets airships back into the world, I'm all for it
 
7:55 PM
@Collin Sadly, it's not going to be airships. Just looots of distribution centers.
 
Shipping is fast when you can fold space.
Anybody know the reference?
 
teleportation, that's what we need :P
 
@JimNorton Futurama probably, although I don't remember that specific line
 
@Collin It could be, but I was thinking of Dune.
 
the airship was invented in the wrong century, it needed to be about the same time as the microcomputer to really be safe enough
 
7:56 PM
@JimNorton that was my first guess
 
@JimNorton I should really read that, I got like 1/4 of the way through, but didn't keep at it and returned it to the library
 
@Collin Yes, you should finish it... The series is quite good.
 
Roads? Where we're going we don't need... roads.
 
@AgainstASicilian Back to the Future?
 
@MooingDuck Erm... I don't mean to be pushy... you've helped me enough as it is... but.. Any ideas? I was thinking maybe a singleton would help here?
 
7:58 PM
yeap
 
Maybe not.
 
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@CatPlusPlus Is it still music dump time? youtube.com/watch?v=G_1Zz9ud83I
 
@MooingDuck What about making those pointers global?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh wow. At least they found a novel way to go viral, I think
 
@sehe A pretty douche-y way, imo.
 
8:10 PM
@sehe It doesn't surprise me in the least. It's the same kind of douchey tactics they've always used.
They're helping their opponents more than they're helping themselves.
 
Who's they and who are they helping? I think it's cool. Enough.
And they get attention. As long as the payload message gets people to think about what GP thinks nobody knows enough about, this is the only affordable way to advertise it, I think
 
Creating a false website/twitter/etc impersonating another corporation in order to slander them is cool by you?
 
@SamDeHaan What's false about it? And they use humour in advertising. It works. Yeah it's cool.
 
Corporations don't have souls.
And even if they did, mocking them would still be fun.
 
I have to add, I didn't actually go and look at their feed. Saw just what was posted in this chat room. Looks fair game by a wide margin.
 
8:15 PM
@sehe What's false? The website claims to be Shell's website. Uses corporate branding, identical layout to real website. The Twitter claims to be Shell PR account.
 
The message I posted myself would be the most controversial, in fact, in that people might actually believe it is Shell
 
Poor Shell.
 
@SamDeHaan There is a site?
 
(Who cares, really.)
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah exactly
 
8:16 PM
The pictures are funny.
 
I think it's arcticready.com
 
@CatPlusPlus And that. WIN in my book
 
user1174868
Fallout New Vegas is driving me insane, anytime you alt tab it loops the audio
 
I give you that the pictures are funny, but they're going about it in an incredibly assholish way. They're (doing a pretty good job of) making it look like this stuff is actually coming from Shell, complete with a youtube video pretending to be a Shell PR event, Twitter feed, etc.
It would be funny if they were just ridiculing Shell. It's stupid when they're pretending that they are Shell doing incredibly stupid things.
 
8:18 PM
@SamDeHaan Well on that subject, I think it is very good that more people get worried. The people around that famous bay where the Exxon Valdez ran aground practically sold the nation to Shell, out of necessity: Their national income depends on the oil. However, the elements there make the act of drilling a very real risk.
 
@Jordan Why would you Alt-Tab out of FNV.
 
@sehe Clearly you're in the means-justify-the-end camp, which I tend to avoid. You're entitled to that opinion, but I disagree with you.
 
Assholes on my Internet? Well I never.
 
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@CatPlusPlus The game is great but the constant chain of quests really drags me down, it is just draining to do a really long chain of quests and then be sent to the next
 
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Q: Access function pointers outside of the instance

DriseI have the a class as outlined below: class InputReader { public: typedef void (*handler)(std::string, int); static void errorHandler(std::string error, int severity); //Supplies a default error handler static void warningHandler(std::string error, int severity); //Supplies a default wa...

 
8:20 PM
@SamDeHaan Well, I don't see the difference. They just make fun of Shell in a very polished way. That makes sense because otherwise, no-one would notice. Note they don't have a budget to actually advertise on national television etc.
 
@Jordan Then shoot people
 
@MooingDuck
 
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@CatPlusPlus Good idea
 
There's only one quest in the entire game you have to do.
 
@sehe They don't have a budget? I highly doubt this smear campaign was all that cheap.
I'm all for getting this issue out in the open, but that's not what they're doing
 
8:22 PM
@SamDeHaan Depends. If they succeeded too well in their impersonation and never corrected the public coverage/even abused that, that would be grossly unethical. But come on, defenseless people get mocked and parodied out of their underwear on public television, and now we go and say, you can't do that because... Shell is so powerful/important/whatnot?
 
My first playthrough was 42 hours, but YT tells me you can get to the Strip in ~10 minutes.
 
I think maybe Shell could sue... defamation, trademark infringement etc... ?
 
@SamDeHaan I'm not saying there is no budget. But they can't achieve the attention by playing fair. Evidence: we're discussing it now, and we most definitely wouldn't if they had stayed within the lines
 
@JimNorton most jurisdictions have a pretty strong defence of parody and satire
 
@JimNorton Meh. Of course they can. And suffer more loss of public sympathy
 
8:24 PM
They've used Streisand effect, that's rather cheap.
 
:)
 
@sehe I would bet that they have plenty of a budget to achieve the attention by playing fair.
 
Oh wow. Their creativity in this deserves a lot of kudos:
> Just for Kids: Angry Bergs
 
I think that website is a fine example of douchebaggery
 
But this campaign is more effective, because they're not trying to create discussion about the issue, they're trying to remove Shell's credibility.
 
8:27 PM
@SamDeHaan Meh. Prove it. Never is it going to even relate to the budget of a large oil company
 
They're not arguing the issue, it's a internety ad hominem.
@sehe You made the claim that they don't have the budget, and I'm the one that has to provide proofs?
 
@SamDeHaan No. They're challenging the credibility, by playing a surprise "what if" game. The same thing helps to challenge people's prejudices.
@SamDeHaan It is obvious, silly
 
@sehe Too many logical fallacies here for me to continue to entertain this discussion.
 
what's the topic
 
@Drise Can't you pass a reference to the owning InputReader to FirstObj during construction? Also, make it a friend of InputReader and then you can call the error handlers
 
8:29 PM
Green Peace douchebaggery
 
user457812
@AgainstASicilian French sewers and why their rats are better than everyone else's.
 
@SamDeHaan Well, without facts your claims are just as much fallacy. There you go. Don't play the victim+saint, you're talking out of your ass intuition just as much as me. This is opinions here, don't be afraid of opinions! Especially not your own.
 
Oh whatever, they're making fun of an oil company, who cares?
 
Oil companies are pretty funny
 
articready.com
 
8:30 PM
> Just for Kids: Angry Bergs
 
asking people to prove a negative = most fun thing ever
 
Some people must think SO is a replacement for Google, because a lot of the questions can be answered by Google.
 
@sehe And now you've reverted to ad hominem. Congratulations!
 
If I create a class with a constructor that allocates stuff and a destructor that deletes the allocated stuff, is that implementing RAII?
 
Maybe. If stuff is memory, then you're reinventing the wheel.
 
8:38 PM
@SamDeHaan Not so. An ad hominem attack take the form of "person X is evil, therefore you should not listen to/believe their arguments." Saying that you're expressing an opinion rather than quoting facts clearly isn' t the same thing.
 
did they add variable length arrays to c++ and I just never noticed?
 
@Prætorian I'm trying to keep it as a dumb container.
 
@Collin No, VLAs are purely a C(99+) thing -- but g++ does allow them in C++ mode too.
 
@JerryCoffin "Don't play the victim+saint", "you're talking out of your ass", "Don't be afraid of opinions! Especially your own.".
 
I just watched some Making Of the Saw movies traps
quite interesting how they make all that gore
 
8:39 PM
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A: Array Pointer in C++

DriseAs a beginner and based on your code sample, there is no need for a pointer to an array. Just use the array. Arrays are 0 indexed. You also need 9 positions to store the numbers: int array[9]; cout<< "Enter Number Between 0-9 Only" << endl; for(int i = 0; i< 9; i++) { cout &l...

 
@JerryCoffin Ah, I'm looking at this:
 
What did I do wrong? How could I improve this?
 
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Q: Is boost variance broken?

ColmIncluding the mean tag returns an incorrect variance. I have tried this with both weighted and straight variances with similar results. I have included my code below. Am I doing something wrong? Sample output: ./stats 1 2 3 4 5 6 Variances: Var: 2.91667 VarKurt: 2.91667 VarMean:...

 
@SamDeHaan What? I question my own credibility? Why is it that you think your own opinion serves as fact while mine needs factual proof, just because I brought the issue up earlier? That logic will give you the upper hand in any discussion where you just wait for the other party to supply arguments :)
 
wondering how it's even compiling
 
8:39 PM
@SamDeHaan None of which is claiming that you are evil and therefore your arguments disbelieved.
 
@TonyTheLion I love those movies.
 
@JimNorton never seen any of them
 
@JerryCoffin Ad hominem doesn't require "evil" it's any attack on the character of the other party instead of their argument.
 
I think might be a bit too gory for me
 
@sehe If you provide an argument, the burden of proof is on you, not on me to disprove it.
 
8:40 PM
@TonyTheLion They are gory.... But interesting also.
to me at least
 
@Drise But your requirement that it is aware of the owning classes error handlers means that it cannot be so dumb anymore
 
oh
@JimNorton what makes them interesting for you?
 
@Prætorian They need to stay dumb.
 
@Drise Or else, don't use operator>>, make it a function that takes additional inputs and pass the error handler
 
@TonyTheLion The psychological impact the various puzzles have on the characters.
 
8:41 PM
@SamDeHaan Well, just shouting "you are impossible to argue with" was a nice move on your side then? Still playing the saint. Just because you can say big words doesn't mean you can actually debate. Let me rephrase, just that you can actually debate and know how it works, doesn't mean you're actually doing it (correctly) right now. That's just smoke and mirrors.
"I know stuff, you shall listen". Well, you know your opinion. Congrats, me too :)
 
@JimNorton ah right
 
@SamDeHaan Call it "character" instead of "evil" if you will, but there are two parts: the attack on the person, and the claim that because of their shortcomings, their arguments should be discredited.
None of what you've quoted has either element though.
 
Ad hominem always struck me as incredibly stupid.
 
@SamDeHaan Well, since you chose to think that somehow Greenpeace may have comparable budget to Shell, doesn't make it likely. I for one don't care to explain to you how that is obvious. I really don't care if you don't want to go there. This is not for you and I don't need your agreement.
 
@sehe I did not claim that the budgets are comparable. I claimed that the budget for Greenpeace is probably plenty to get their side of the argument the attention that it deserves through television advertising.
 
8:45 PM
@SamDeHaan Greenpeace's objective is to attract attention through stunts.
 
"It probably is", Sam. All I'm saying is "More likely it isn't". Both are opinions
 
Their way of thinking is that the best way to reach the public is to shove the arguments in their faces.
 
They might be right. Also, this is exactly what the Oil companies/governments are doing, but then secretly
 
@EtiennedeMartel The one I've always liked better is the speaker (it's usually a speaker, anyway) who, when asked a question starts by saying: "That's a great question". Listen carefully when they do that -- in nearly every case, they spend the next few minutes talking, but never really address the question.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I agree with you completely. My argument from the start in this discussion is that Greenpeace and crew are, in this act, assholes. I do not support Shell over Greenpeace, but I do think that Greenpeace is acting the asshole.
 
8:46 PM
Facts: GP 2009 Budget: google.com/…
 
@SamDeHaan Disclaimer: I give a monthly donation to Greenpeace.
 
@EtiennedeMartel /shrug. I have nothing against the organization. I'm not claiming their methods are ineffective at achieving their goals, either. Just that, in this particular case, in my opinion they are acting rather dickish.
 
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Disclaimer: I have never given any donation to any big environmental organization, because I don't feel it will work. They fight an uphill battle. I'll do what I can locally and hope for the best. (Voting helps)
 
@SamDeHaan I agree Sam.
 
8:48 PM
@Prætorian Where'd your comment go?!
 
@SamDeHaan Oh, I never said they aren't acting dickish. They truly are. I'm just not agreeing that it is unethical to act dickish, by definition
 
Either way, it's time for me to head home. Been at work muuuch longer than I wanted to already today.
 
Cheers, see you around
 
@sehe interesting you should say that. I've always thought that the environmental movement has had some of the biggest successes of any ideology in the modern world. For example, it was shown that the polar ozone hole was caused by CFCs - and now CFCs are gone forever, and the hole is slowly closing. Sulphur pollutants are now mostly gone from commercial fuels. The only reason it seems so hopeless is that the problems caused by human development are so vast and so pervasive.
Fossil fuel dependency is so pervasive that probably any effort will look futile
 
pfff
wanted to watch a DVD, turns out the DVD is set to a different region than my player :(
don't really want to change the region on my player
 
8:54 PM
@Drise I deleted it cause I thought there was a syntax error, but now I think it was correct :)
 
@TonyTheLion Region locking is one of the most stupid things I have ever seen.
 
@Prætorian error: 'obj' cannot appear in a constant-expression: std::make_pair<&t, obj>
 
yeah, I did screw up the syntax, gimme a min. working on an example
 
@TonyTheLion Now there's an example of true dickishness.
 
@Drise Something like this ideone.com/2vI2k
 
8:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel very annoying
supposedly to prevent copyright violations, but in this day and age, it doesn't prevent shit.
it only pisses people off
 
@TomW I appreciate you balance my pessimism in this matter. You make some powerful case there. I might be looking at the odds instead of the actuals a little too much. I'll keep this in mind for a while.
 
Well that was easier than I expected...
 
@TonyTheLion That's when you go download a rip off thepiratebay and don't feel bad about it
 

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